LC: What Was Promised vs. What We Got

[The Doc]

So as anyone who observes the 9/11 conspiracy scene may well know, Loose Change Final Cut has now been released. This comes after a solid year of waiting for this supposedly ground-breaking phenomenon of a movie.

I started this thread to get an idea of what Dylan promised the film would deliver vs. what we are now all able to see on Google Video. There's no more room for speculation as to what the film will contain, seeing as it's out.

I'll start.
No Charlie Sheen Narration
No Mark Cuban SupportContinue...

[ref]

No 3000 theaters

[JAStewart]

Was billed as undebunkable
Was said to have an outrageously huge budget
Was said to contain the truth
Was said that it would change the world
Was said that it would be released on 9/11/06
Was said that Gravy would have to start crying. He has though. With laughter!

[ref]

We got no reason to think 9/11 was an inside job.

[Hyperviolet]

I was wondering what happened to the 'historical' intro.
That is:

9/11/2006
Reichstag Fire
Pearl Harbor
Manhattan Project
Nuremberg Trials/Project Paperclip/MKULTRA/Fort Detrick
Northwoods
Gulf of Tonkin
'93 WTC Bombing
Payne Stewart (May or may not)
PNAC
Dov Zakheim, PNAC member and dual-israeli citizen, becomes Pentagon Financial Comptroller
DOD Memo
John O'Neill and W199I
Put Options
Pentagon Missing 2.3 Trillion Dollars

[Unsecured Coins]

I got one! can't believe you missed this one!

a good movie

[Alferd_Packer]

Was Barry Jennings in the movie?

[Unsecured Coins]

nope.

[The Silver Shadow]

Were the much-hyped WTC blueprints in there?

[uk_dave]

Were the much-hyped WTC blueprints in there?

They'll be in the Christmas special.

[nicepants]

I love how the beginning of the movie is showing pix from GZ on 9/11/06....just 3 minutes in I get the feeling that it's already a year old. I wonder why no pictures from 9/11/07....oh wait...there was nobody there.

[JamesB]

I love how the beginning of the movie is showing pix from GZ on 9/11/06....just 3 minutes in I get the feeling that it's already a year old. I wonder why no pictures from 9/11/07....oh wait...there was nobody there.

Well it was raining. Troofers only go out in the rain in CGI.

[Brainster]

No fact-checking by DRG.
No interview with April Gallop.
No revolution in the streets.

[Tirdun]

Was there some number given as to the amount of all new content?
I have no real motivation to sit through yet another LC spin cycle, but I'm not hearing much new.

[nicepants]

No fact-checking by DRG.


Oh...I bet he did it...but having someone like DRG do your fact checking would be a bit like having a toddler do your spell checking.

[John Blonn]

I was wondering what happened to the 'historical' intro.
That is:

9/11/2006
Reichstag Fire
Pearl Harbor
Manhattan Project
Nuremberg Trials/Project Paperclip/MKULTRA/Fort Detrick
Northwoods
Gulf of Tonkin
'93 WTC Bombing
Payne Stewart (May or may not)
PNAC
Dov Zakheim, PNAC member and dual-israeli citizen, becomes Pentagon Financial Comptroller
DOD Memo
John O'Neill and W199I
Put Options
Pentagon Missing 2.3 Trillion Dollars

I think I have an idea why this, plus much else, wasn't included in the film.

My guess: Dylan indeed did have an ambitious plan to put all this in. But as the months went by without any progress on the film, and as criticism mounted as the release date kept being pushed back, Dylan must have made a choice: just finish the damn thing. Ergo the general crappy quality of the film. I think he rushed it. Oops.

[jhunter1163]

Oh...I bet he did it...but having someone like DRG do your fact checking would be a bit like having a toddler do your spell checking.

I said once that having DRG in charge of fact-checking is like having Willie Sutton in charge of security for your bank. I stand by that.

[jhunter1163]

I was wondering what happened to the 'historical' intro.
That is:

9/11/2006
Reichstag Fire
Pearl Harbor
Manhattan Project
Nuremberg Trials/Project Paperclip/MKULTRA/Fort Detrick
Northwoods
Gulf of Tonkin
'93 WTC Bombing
Payne Stewart (May or may not)
PNAC
Dov Zakheim, PNAC member and dual-israeli citizen, becomes Pentagon Financial Comptroller
DOD Memo
John O'Neill and W199I
Put Options
Pentagon Missing 2.3 Trillion Dollars


I think the intensity of the debunking he got over the last year kept a lot of this stuff out. He wanted something that would at least make us work a little rather than just link to all the previous debunking threads.

[qarnos]

What about Willie "witnesses now available at a new low, low price" Rodriguez?

[defaultdotxbe]

im disappointed in LCFC, i found it anticlimatic even compared to the low expectations i had for it

[jsiv]

Promised truth.

Got lies.

[ConspiRaider]

Certainly a Charlie Sheen narration would have Twoof-Pwoofed this baby for me, I'd have then become a selfless champion of its abso-bloomin-lutely cold, hard ludicrousness - I mean logical-ishness. Chuck's got credit-billity.

But we didn't even get Denise Richards. :(

[CHF]

We were promised something new. Instead it was the same ol' crap.

It's obvious to me that Dylan just gave up and threw this together one afternoon. He didn't even try.

Say, has there been any reaction from Dylan since the big release?

[The Doc]

So basically so far we have:

What we were promised:
Charlie Sheen Narration
Studio backed release
Initially release into 3,000 theaters
100% factually accurate movie
$20m budget
Advertised release
9/11/2006 release
Would make Gravy cry/Would convert and scare debunkers
Would start a revolution
Would amaze those already converted
Would contain witness testimony from Rodriguez, Jennings etc.
Would be fact checked by DRG

What we got:
Dylan Avery's amateur narration
Independent release
No theater release at this stage
DVD/Stream/Google Video release
A movie with several holes already formally poked in it via direct debunking (SLC blog etc)
A repeat of old, debunked theories
No where near $20m spent
Limited advertising exclusive to the conspiracy circles
11/11/2007 release
Debunkers bored with it and unphased
Most conspiracists are underwhelmed
Underwhelming public response
No revolution
No mainstream media coverage
No Barry Jennings, April Gallop, William Rodriguez
No DRG fact-checking

I wonder if the "movement" will still trust Avery.

[qarnos]

I wonder if the "movement" will still trust Avery.

I don't think it matters - I reckon he's about to jump ship to pursue his directing career.

[OldTigerCub]

I don't think it matters - I reckon he's about to jump ship to pursue his directing career.

I hope he gives some thought to directing comedies...he's just sooooo funny! :p

(though I realize he doesn't mean to be most of the time)

[JimBenArm]

I think it just boils down to:
We were promised Filet Minion.
We got baloney.

[ref]

Wasn't DRG credited as "script supervisor" or "script consultant"? I remember seeing his name in the credits.

[Par]

Final Insult really was an incredibly dreary experience. It seems to show, however, that the rationalists have had a marked effect: The conspiracy theorists can no longer make the wild and outrageous claims they once did; they know that they’ll be either shown straightforwardly wrong or exposed as deceitful. The best Mr. Avery and co. can do is to produce a lot of very distilled innuendo and attempt to wrap it up in transparently insincere yet genuine political issues such as the way first responders have been treated, and so forth.