New World Order - The official NWO thread

[AudioFreak]

Without looking on Google or anything, I did a search through the CT forum and couldn't come up with any threads explicitly about the alleged New World Order. With this being such a great resource for the curious, I thought that was a shame. There are other sources out there (New_World_Order_(conspiracy) or here (www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/)), but I think JREF should address this directly as well to ensure a healthy dose of skepticism is presented with it, hence this thread now exists (or will once I submit it).

From what I have read in different areas, NWO is just referenced by random paranoid theories. To me, it just seems like some undefined, shadow-shrouded scapegoat for the paranoid. I thought it would be good for us to have a dedicated thread to clarify. Let's lay out the claims and evidence surrounding the NWO. I'd like for theorists, believers and skeptics alike to present or refute whatever information (please lets include sources here) on:

-evidence for the existence of the NWO
-who the members are
-the history of the NWO
-its plans for the future
-how NWO Kitty fits into the picture

Hopefully we can end up with a somewhat consolidated source of information for the NWO curious cruising the JREF.

ETA: This thread is with regards to the NWO as it is referenced in conspiracies as this is a conspiracy theory forum. The intent of this thread is not to collect a list of places it has been used by politicians or authors, but rather to provide a resource for our members who might be curious what people are referring to in other theories when they point the finger at the NWO.

[Oliver]

The "Project for the New American Century" is real - even if I don't
know to what extend the ideas in it are being shared by the "Elite".

Then there is NAFTA, but my knowledge about it is rather lousy.

Oh, and the EU is part of the NWO. Curiously enough: I live in the
EU and nobody ever even mentioned the NWO to me. Seems like
the Conspiracy is even more evil then I can imagine... :boxedin:

Oh, and the Federal Reserve comes into mind since they give
a **** about US-Citizens and congress ...

ETA: iYZM58dulPE

[Hellbound]

AUdioFreak:

We could tell you about the NWO...but, of course, then we'd have to kill you.

:D

[AudioFreak]

The "Project for the New American Century" is real - even if I don't
know to what extend the ideas in it are being shared by the "Elite".

Care to cite a source?

[Trakar]

Care to cite a source?

The best starting place would probably be the "horse's mouth," so to speak.

Project for New American Century (http://www.newamericancentury.org/)

[Oliver]

Care to cite a source?


http://www.newamericancentury.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

[Pardalis]

Oh, and the Federal Reserve comes into mind since they give a **** about US-Citizens and congress ...

As far as I know, the federal reserve is not an organization, so it doesn't have to give **** about US citizens.

[Reality Believer]

Here is a popular sound bite that is normally thought of as the jumping off point for the NWO. Note that it is referred to as a policy, and NOT an organization.
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[Bell]

Here is a popular sound bite that is normally thought of as the jumping off point for the NWO. Note that it is referred to as a policy, and NOT an organization.
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Which is as allways very much misinterpreted, as Bush is talking about A new world order. Not THE New World Order.

Or wait... are there more than one NWO? :eek:

[Pardalis]

Isn't it also a H.G. Wells novel?

[Oliver]

As far as I know, the federal reserve is not an organization, so it doesn't have to give **** about US citizens.


They're a private Company. And yes - since they give a ****
about congress, senate and President, you can be sure that they
don't care about lousy Citizens either. Watch the Video...

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[Pardalis]

Watch the Video I posted for an introduction...

Take it to politics, nothing to do with conspiracy theories.

[Bell]

Isn't it also a H.G. Wells novel?

Yes, Wells wrote a lot of fiction :)

ETA: And books on wargaming!

[Oliver]

Take it to politics, nothing to do with conspiracy theories.


There are more conspiracy theories about the Federal reserve then
there are about 9/11. So it fit's perfectly into this Sub-Forum...

[Pardalis]

There are more conspiracy theories about the Federal reserve then there are about 9/11. So it fit's perfectly into this Sub-Forum...

No, you're trying to post spam for your libertarian candidate Ron Paul again.

[AudioFreak]

Isn't it also a H.G. Wells novel?

Indeed. According to Wiki: New_World_Order_(conspiracy)

H.G. Wells said in his 1940 non-fiction book entitled "The New World Order": "... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people." [10] H.G. Wells called his effort to organize prominent intellectuals behind the idea of establishing a World Government "The Open Conspiracy" (a benevolent one) in his 1928 book by the same name. [11]

[jhunter1163]

Herbert Hoover used the term "new world order", and I'm sure it was used further back in history than that. So it's not a new concept.

[Oliver]

No, you're trying to post spam for your libertarian candidate Ron Paul again.


He isn't a Libertarian. And the term NWO is no conspiracy. It's
a well-established term in mostly English-speaking countries.
(Even if I never stumbled over it here in the EU)

[AudioFreak]

I just made an ETA to the opening post. To try and steer on topic, we're aware at this point that the term is used outside of these theories. But I'm asking specifically what allegations are being made as far as the existence of a "New World Order". Are they bankers and politicians? A secret society? What are their goals? What evidence is there?

[NikZeta302]

New World Order isn't a group, it's a generic statement in geo-politics that can have any sinister or positive meaning to it.

[Lensman]

I'd like to know just how to go about joining this most excellent organization.


(I need the extra cash)

[Normal Dude]

I'd like to know just how to go about joining this most excellent organization.


(I need the extra cash)

Ditto. I need a job. I will kill and/or subvert for cash. Babies and pregnant ladies are double, however.

[JimBenArm]

Are you in good health? You'll need your strength for the initiation ceremony.

[OldTigerCub]

I'd like to know just how to go about joining this most excellent organization.


(I need the extra cash)

Me too...I got my official shirts and hoodies, now I just need to know where to file for a paycheck!:p

Seriously, though...I always understood the phrase "New world order" to be referring to an idea, a policy, a dream or wish, if you will, to establish a sort of cooperation and comunication between cultures and nations that would lead to a sustainable peace and prosperity not previously possible due to political, social and religious differences between different cultures and the conflicts that those differences have caused.

[brodski]

I'd like to know just how to go about joining this most excellent organization.


(I need the extra cash)

Ditto. I need a job. I will kill and/or subvert for cash. Babies and pregnant ladies are double, however.

See my sig. ;)

[OldTigerCub]

See my sig. ;)

A shameless plug if I ever saw one!:p
(I jumped the gun and ordered my hoodies before they were available in colors...:( )

[AudioFreak]

Shucks, and I was hoping the woo would flock to inform me. :(

[Bell]

Shucks, and I was hoping the woo would flock to inform me. :(

Should of started a thread that said 'NWO - debunked' :)

[Gravy]

The "Project for the New American Century" is real Was. It no longer exists.

[Oliver]

Was. It no longer exists.


The Idea lives on. And I suspect that Iran and Iraq are part of it since
every other official explanation so far is straightway stupid illogical.

[Corsair 115]

Then there is NAFTA, but my knowledge about it is rather lousy.NAFTA is just a trade deal between the United States, Canada, and Mexico, nothing more. It was preceded by the Free Trade Agreement between the U.S. and Canada which came into effect in 1989. Several years after the FTA began, the U.S. wanted to include Mexico in a free trade arrangement, and this led to NAFTA.

You can read the entire text of the NAFTA here (http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/nafta-alena/agree-en.asp) or here (http://www.sice.oas.org/Trade/NAFTA/NAFTATCE.ASP).

[gumboot]

I saw a car today with "RWO" on its number plate. Face it guys... the sun is setting on the New World Order. We've entered the reign of the Real World Order.

-Gumboot

[Oliver]

NAFTA is just a trade deal between the United States, Canada, and Mexico, nothing more. It was preceded by the Free Trade Agreement between the U.S. and Canada which came into effect in 1989. Several years after the FTA began, the U.S. wanted to include Mexico in a free trade arrangement, and this led to NAFTA.

You can read the entire text of the NAFTA here (http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/nafta-alena/agree-en.asp) or here (http://www.sice.oas.org/Trade/NAFTA/NAFTATCE.ASP).


I know the basics about it and I know that the Superhighway isn't
paranoia either, but I have no Idea what the intentions are since
the US Government is famous for it's secrecy in contrast to "We
the People" ...

...which finally results in all the CT's ...

[gumboot]

The phrase "new world order" was first used by Woodrow Wilson after World War One in reference to the establishment of the League of Nations and the high hopes everyone had that it would end war.

-Gumboot

[Oliver]

The phrase "new world order" was first used by Woodrow Wilson after World War One in reference to the establishment of the League of Nations and the high hopes everyone had that it would end war.

-Gumboot


What did Grandpa Bush mean by NWO?
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[gumboot]

What did Grandpa Bush mean by NWO?


It's quite a common phrase, used repeatedly since Wilson first raised it. In fact Bush's hopeful emotional use of the phrase in his (funnily enough) September 11, 1990 speech drew comments of comparison between Bush and Wilson.

"New world order" is an idealist expression of hope for a better, more peaceful world in which nations cooperate and solve their problems peacefully. Thus far it has failed spectacularly.

(And ironically enough, the last thing the "NWO" that conspiracy theorists talk about would want is the "new world order" mentioned by people like Woodrow Wilson (US President), Rajiv Ghandi (Indian Prime Minister), Manfred Wörner (NATO Secretary General), and Mikhail Gorbachev (General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union). After Gorbachev's 7 December 1988 speech to the United Nations General Assembly, the phrase "new world order" became common in the world's media, as well as political talks, with references ranging from restructuring of the European Community to human rights improvements in China and southern Africa.

Bush finally made specific reference to it in his September 11, 1990 speech "Toward A New World Order (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Toward_a_New_World_Order)".

-Gumboot

[Oliver]

It's quite a common phrase, used repeatedly since Wilson first raised it. In fact Bush's hopeful emotional use of the phrase in his (funnily enough) September 11, 1990 speech drew comments of comparison between Bush and Wilson.

"New world order" is an idealist expression of hope for a better, more peaceful world in which nations cooperate and solve their problems peacefully. Thus far it has failed spectacularly.

(And ironically enough, the last thing the "NWO" that conspiracy theorists talk about would want is the "new world order" mentioned by people like Woodrow Wilson (US President), Rajiv Ghandi (Indian Prime Minister), Manfred Wörner (NATO Secretary General), and Mikhail Gorbachev (General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union). After Gorbachev's 7 December 1988 speech to the United Nations General Assembly, the phrase "new world order" became common in the world's media, as well as political talks, with references ranging from restructuring of the European Community to human rights improvements in China and southern Africa.

Bush finally made specific reference to it in his September 11, 1990 speech "Toward A New World Order (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Toward_a_New_World_Order)".

-Gumboot


I know - but I miss a clear definition about how a better, more peaceful
world looks like concerning politicians who used the phrase in the past.

Basically it could mean anything - from America policing the world
to Flowers growing out of everyones asses... :p

And I read the Wiki-Article. But it's explanation is vague as well...

[gumboot]

I know - but I miss a clear definition about how a better, more peaceful
world looks like concerning politicians who used the phrase in the past.


Why don't you try read the speeches where they outline their vision for this new world order?

-Gumboot

[Oliver]

Why don't you try read the speeches where they outline their vision for this new world order?

-Gumboot


I did so in the past - but unfortunately the speeches are very
general, nothing that would convince AJ and the Truthers... ;)

[gumboot]

I did so in the past - but unfortunately the speeches are very
general, nothing that would convince AJ and the Truthers... ;)


Of course they're general. They're talking about a new world order, not a new my local golf club order. You can't really go into detail when the subject is the entire planet. (Although they do cite examples, and the actual interpretation of the phrase varies depending on who is using it).

Nothing will ver convince AJ and the Truthers because they're insane.

-Gumboot

[OldTigerCub]

I saw a car today with "RWO" on its number plate. Face it guys... the sun is setting on the New World Order. We've entered the reign of the Real World Order.

-Gumboot

:eek:NWO Kitty isn't going to be happy about that!:boxedin:

[Oliver]

Of course they're general. They're talking about a new world order, not a new my local golf club order. You can't really go into detail when the subject is the entire planet. (Although they do cite examples, and the actual interpretation of the phrase varies depending on who is using it).

Nothing will ver convince AJ and the Truthers because they're insane.

-Gumboot


That's not the point. Once you imagine a NWO or a "better place
for people around the world" and you put it into policies, you have
a clear vision about it, not a general perspective...

[Matilda]

-its plans for the future


Alex Jones, in his new film EndGame (cannot be bothered to make backwards letter thing), reveals the ultimate goal of the NWO. At last, we humble proles know the truth, thanks to Alex.

They want to kill off a huge amount of the worlds population so they can gain immortality. Or something. It didn't make much sense, and at that point in the film, for me, flys wandering past and the movement of dust motes had become endlessly fascinating.

Screwloosechange had an interesting bit comparing LaRouche and Alex Jones. And LaRouche also said the Oligarchy (seems to be his version of the NWO) were into depopulation, but through nuclear war.

LaRouche's oligarchy makes the Elders of Zion seem mild. It supposedly has dominated the world for tens of thousands of years with unremittingly evil motives. Indeed, LaRouche accuses it of periodically killing off a large portion of the human race through famines and plagues. Today it is supposedly plotting a New Dark Ages, which will include nuclear holocaust, the massive spread of AIDS, Zero Growth, and total bestial heteronomy.

from LYNDON LAROUCHE AND THE NEW AMERICAN FASCISM by Dennis King, originally published by Doubleday in 1989, now a free ebook here:
http://lyndonlarouche.org/newamericanfascism.htm

David Icke seems to think the NWO are Lizards, but I'm not clear on what he thinks the Lizards are up to.

[Elizabeth I]

Nelson Rockefeller, the Trilateral Commission, and the Illuminati have a lot to do with the NWO, but I don't know exactly what.

[Corsair 115]

I know the basics about it and I know that the Superhighway isn't paranoia either... The alleged "NAFTA superhighway" is a complete myth that arose out of misunderstandings and misconceptions. See this (http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20071008_110123_110123&source=srch) Macleans magazine article for a story outlining how the whole NAFTA superhighway nonsense got started.

...but I have no Idea what the intentions are since
the US Government is famous for it's secrecy in contrast to "We
the People" ...Not particularly relevant since NAFTA was signed into law by the governments of all three nations. And the terms of the deal allow a signatory nation to withdraw from the agreement if they so choose. But given how NAFTA has boosted trade between all three member nations, withdrawal by one or more of the participants seems unlikely, especially with more protectionist talk coming from some of the U.S. public and politicians.

[LashL]

I know the basics about it and I know that the Superhighway isn't
paranoia either, but I have no Idea what the intentions are since
the US Government is famous for it's secrecy in contrast to "We
the People" ...

...which finally results in all the CT's ...

Actually, it appears that you know nothing about it at all, Oliver, yet you post nonsense about things you have no knowledge of. How unsurprising.

[Hyperviolet]

He isn't a Libertarian. And the term NWO is no conspiracy. It's
a well-established term in mostly English-speaking countries.
(Even if I never stumbled over it here in the EU)

Oliver,

Ron Paul's politics are very much Libertarian, despite campaigning for this year's Republican nomination.

In fact, he once ran for President in 1988 as the Libertarian nominee with Andre Marrou, whilst still being registered Republican.

[Oliver]

Actually, it appears that you know nothing about it at all, Oliver, yet you post nonsense about things you have no knowledge of. How unsurprising.


Indeed.

The North America’s SuperCorridor Coalition, Inc., is a non-profit organization dedicated to developing an international, integrated and secure, multi-modal transportation system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercorridor) along the International Mid-Continent Trade and Transportation Corridor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mid-Continent_Trade_Corridor), which it expects to improve both the trade competitiveness and quality of life in North America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_SuperCorridor_Coalition



The Trans-Texas Corridor (TTC) is a transportation network in the planning and early construction stages in the U.S. state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state) of Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas). The network, as planned, would be composed of a 4,000-mile (6,000 km) network of supercorridors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercorridor) up to 1,200 feet (370 m) wide to carry parallel links of tollways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tollway), rails (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad), and utility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_utility) lines.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Texas_Corridor#_note-0) The tollway portion would be divided into two separate elements: truck lanes and lanes for passenger vehicles. Similarly, the rail lines in the corridor would be divided among freight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freight_rail), commuter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commuter_rail), and high-speed rail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail). Services expected to be carried in the utility corridor include water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water), electricity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity), natural gas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas), petroleum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum), fiber optic lines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_fiber), and other telecommunications (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications) services. The Trans-Texas Corridor will allow passenger vehicular speed limits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limit) of up to 85 mph (140 km/h).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Texas_Corridor#_note-1) The network will be funded by private investors and built and expanded as demand warrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Texas_Corridor


Yes, I know nothing. :rolleyes:

[Newtons Bit]

Indeed.






Yes, I know nothing. :rolleyes:

Apparently you didn't read the part that said, "funded by private investors" and automatically assumed the US government was doing it without telling anyone.

[Oliver]

Apparently you didn't read the part that said, "funded by private investors" and automatically assumed the US government was doing it without telling anyone.


I really don't care about the Superhighway-Details. It doesn't
affect me at all here in Germany. The point is that it isn't a
fairytale - my point was: There are plans to enhance the
current transport system. And it doesn't surprise me at all,
nor do I see a conspiracy in it since it's the most logical thing
to do...

[Newtons Bit]

I really don't care about the Superhighway-Details. It doesn't
affect me at all here in Germany. The point is that it isn't a
fairytale - my point was: There are plans to enhance the
current transport system. And it doesn't surprise me at all,
nor do I see a conspiracy in it since it's the most logical thing
to do...

Sorry, this about upgrading an existing network of corridors in Texas, not some brand spanking new Super-Highway that the conspiracists are raving about.

[Oliver]

Sorry, this about upgrading an existing network of corridors in Texas, not some brand spanking new Super-Highway that the conspiracists are raving about.


Did the CT'ists claim that it will be a whole new Highway - or are
they merely whining about expanding existing highways to some
kind of Superhighways? ... As I said, I didn't look at it that much
because I don't see a conspiracy in it.

What about the Amero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero) - any news about it yet?

[Corsair 115]

Sorry, this about upgrading an existing network of corridors in Texas, not some brand spanking new Super-Highway that the conspiracists are raving about.That's it exactly. The Macleans magazine article I linked to earlier covers that.

What about the Amero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero) - any news about it yet?It's bogus. It makes no sense. Canada and Mexico would adopt the U.S. dollar before some new currency would be floated. Also, Canada, with a dollar now surpassing the U.S. in value, isn't about to give up its currency. It's not about to give up control over its own monetary policy.

The electorate of this country would speak strongly and swiftly to any political party which put forth the idea of some sort of political union with the U.S.

Now dig up some stuff on the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP, or as some take it to mean, the "North American Union"). It's the only thing you've left out so far.

[chillzero]

What happened to the NWO discussion stuff ???

[Bell]

What happened to the NWO discussion stuff ???

They send out a memo not to discuss it any further. Did you not get it?

[chillzero]

Is that the pink sheet, or the yellow one?

[Bell]

The pink one. Yellow is for wussies.

[chillzero]

Ah, that explains it. I ate the pink one, and used the yellow one for a fancy hat.

Anyway ... perhaps we could get the thread back to being a little less political.

[Alt+F4]

They want to kill off a huge amount of the worlds population so they can gain immortality. Or something. It didn't make much sense.

The take over at Screw Loose Change is that killing off 80% of the world's population is a blood sacrifice to the devil. Then the devil gives them immortality? I'm confused too.

[Hyperviolet]

What happened to the NWO discussion stuff ???

The NAFTA superhighway, along with the Amero, is key to the New World Order goal of globalization and world government.

Get with it, Chillzero.

[Horatius]

I saw a car today with "RWO" on its number plate. Face it guys... the sun is setting on the New World Order. We've entered the reign of the Real World Order.

-Gumboot

:eek:NWO Kitty isn't going to be happy about that!:boxedin:



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[EventHorizon]

H3ZgXEwn_Gw

Of course the NWO exists. Doesn't anybody else remember Hogan's heel turn? Jeez.

[Redtail]

H3ZgXEwn_Gw

Of course the NWO exists. Doesn't anybody else remember Hogan's heel turn? Jeez.

Funniest... Wrasslin moment... Ever.

[T.A.M.]

I guess you can add Neil Livingstone to the list of NWO members...


Neil Livingstone, chairman of GlobalOptions, an international risk management firm, said the United States now must respond quickly and firmly.

''I think we are at war. I liken this to Pearl Harbor,'' said Livingstone, who has served on a number of government panels on terrorism. ''This is the second Pearl Harbor. I don't think we can allow this to happen again. The economy is shut down, Americans are frightened, Americans are dead.''

http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/globe_stories/0911/Officials_probing_security_breaches+.shtml

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

Oh, and of course, John Kerry...


Senator John F. Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, said that members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence were briefed by US intelligence officials and that there were signs pointing to bin Liden as mastermind of the attacks.

''We know the basics,'' Kerry said. ''The basics are obvious to everybody. Most people believe it is bin Laden. My own judgment is that it's bin Laden, based on the warnings we have received.''

http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/globe_stories/0912/Authorities_put_a_familiar_name_atop_list_bin_Lade n+.shtml

So the day after the attacks he knew it was Bin Laden, well he must have been in on it, so he is obviously NWO.

TAM;)

[abenja1]

One thing you'll never hear CT's explain. Why if the NWO is so powerful do they not take us over now.