[Split]KSM and skyscrapers - split from: [Merged]LCFC Errors / Loose Change Final Cut

[Malmoesoldier]

The dumbest part of this film is when they use the old 'No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'.

No, of course there isn't. That's because it was KSM's invention and planning. Bin Laden just (allegedly) authorised it, and selected the 19 hijackers.

He is the spiritual leader of Al Qeada, so it makes sense to have the bloke on the Most Wanted.

Would you believe him if he said he was Santa Claus?.

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's alleged confession testimony has been thoroughly discredited after it emerged that one of the targets he identified, the Plaza Bank, was not founded until 2006, four years after the alleged Al-Qaeda mastermind's arrest.

Was Khalid Shaikh Mohammed responsible for blocking FBI anti-terrorism investigations before 9/11 related to the bin Laden family and Saudi charities that were front groups for Al-Qaeda?

Former CIA field officer Robert Baer also expressed his doubts, questioning "What the Pentagon's objective really is in releasing the transcript of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confession."

"On the face of it, KSM, as he is known inside the government, comes across as boasting, at times mentally unstable. It's also clear he is making things up. I'm told by people involved in the investigation that KSM was present during Wall Street Journal correspondent Danny Pearl's execution but was in fact not the person who killed him. There exists videotape footage of the execution that minimizes KSM's role. And if KSM did indeed exaggerate his role in the Pearl murder, it raises the question of just what else he has exaggerated, or outright fabricated," writes Baer.

Do some more research on him and you will find more info why his testimonies cant be trusted. Or turn on fox news and drink some aspartame

[twinstead]

Are we claiming Bear's conjecture as fact now? And, what about KSM's statements made prior to his arrest?

[Undesired Walrus]

Would you believe him if he said he was Santa Claus?.

What evidence points toward him being that?

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's alleged confession testimony has been thoroughly discredited after it emerged that one of the targets he identified, the Plaza Bank, was not founded until 2006, four years after the alleged Al-Qaeda mastermind's arrest.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admitted to Yosri Fouda in a face to face meeting in 2002 that he engineered the attacks. As did Ramzi Bin Al-Shib.

Do some more research on him and you will find more info why his testimonies cant be trusted. Or turn on fox news and drink some aspartame

Yawn, the old 'You love Fox News lol' line. You are so cool and so Neo from the Matrix! First of all, I'm British, so I watch good television and get good news, and second, I actually read the stuff I'm forming opinions about.

The first thing you need to do is actually read the 9/11 commission report and see how much evidence points toward KSM.

[Undesired Walrus]

Besides Malmo, KSM is clearly talking about the Plaza building in Washington State, which was completed in 1981. The clue is when the personal representative saying 'skyscrapers'

[Malmoesoldier]

In his confession, KSM claims, "I was responsible for planning, training, surveying, and financing for the New (or Second) Wave of attacks against the following skyscrapers after 9/11: ...Plaza Bank, Washington state."

KSM was arrested in March 2003. According to the Plaza Bank's website http://www.plazabankwa.com/about.asp, the organization was founded in early 2006, making it impossible for KSM to have even known of the bank's existence before 2003, never mind plotted against it.

[Undesired Walrus]

I'll say it again. The following skyscrapers. What you are linking to is 'Plaza Banks' which is not one single building. Clue is in the 'locations' part of that page.

This is the plaza bank skyscraper in Washington State. It was completed in 1981. His confession did not read, 'Airplanes flown at various banks that were not anywhere near the size of skyscrapers'.

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/seattle33.jpg

[Malmoesoldier]

I'll say it again. The following skyscrapers. What you are linking to is 'Plaza Banks' which is not one single building. Clue is in the 'locations' part of that page.

This is the plaza bank skyscraper in Washington State. It was completed in 1981. His confession did not read, 'Airplanes flown at various banks that were not anywhere near the size of skyscrapers.

Give me a source that the building in 1981 had the name "bank" in it.

I dont understand how anybody can believe him. after that much tourtue people will say anything. CIA is al-qaida anyway and ksm couldn't have planned 911 alone, the evidence shows that the government was in on it.

[Undesired Walrus]

Give me a source that the building in 1981 had the name "bank" in it.

What exactly are you expecting KSM to have planned? Flown planes into the various local banks on the ground? How in the hell are they meant to locate those 100's of banks?

Here is the building he is talking about. The Plaza Bank, Washington State. http://offices.regus.com/locations/US/WA/Seattle/WashingtonSeattleBankofAmericaPlaza.htm

Even if he was not talking about the above, and yes, he was (Skyscraper. Skyscraper. He called it a skyscraper). Why did you pick the 2006 one? You could have just as easy picked this one, which has been around for 45 years. https://www.plazabankillinois.com/ Or this one, http://www.plazabank.net/about.html opened in 2005.

The one you are talking about is focused all over the pacific northwest with latino clients.

[Undesired Walrus]

Turns out I was wrong, there are not hundreds of these banks you point to, but only one, located near a train station and run for and by Hispanics.

Malmo, does this look like a skyscraper to you?

http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2006/09/10/0000435861/branch.jpg

(P.s, sorry for the off-topic stuff mods)

[twinstead]

I dont understand how anybody can believe him. after that much tourtue people will say anything. CIA is al-qaida anyway and ksm couldn't have planned 911 alone, the evidence shows that the government was in on it.

Much of what KSM is on record as saying was BEFORE his arrest. Of course you know that being the intrepid investigator you are.

And as far as the evidence goes, that's a pretty bold accusation. You'd better be prepared to back that up and show how the HUGE amount of evidence against KSM and the HUGE amount of evidence that supports the official story is wrong.

Remember, we don't believe the official story just because the government tells us what to believe. We are every bit as smart and world aware as you are and have looked at the evidence on BOTH sides of the issue.

So, we come to a different conclusion than you.

[Undesired Walrus]

I dont understand how anybody can believe him. after that much tourtue people will say anything. CIA is al-qaida

KSM admitted responsibility to Yosri Fouda in 2002. He also has not revealed the locations of several Al Qeada spies in South Africa and California, while others claim he set them up with people in those very locations. So your claim he can be tortured 'to say anything' rings hollow.

What evidence do you have they are 'CIA'?

anyway and ksm couldn't have planned 911 alone, the evidence shows that the government was in on it.

What evidence?

*

Interesting how you edit your post after I prove you completly wrong in order to save face. I know it is nice to keep the post count down, but the least you could have done is start a new post saying, 'yes I was wrong on the skyscraper target. Sorry.

[Malmoesoldier]

KSM's claim that he ran the 1993 World Trade Center bombing is also highly suspect because it also conveniently sweeps under the carpet the fact that it was the FBI who provided the terror cell with the bomb materials through their informant and ordered the bombing to go ahead.

In addition, KSM was a known CIA asset in the eighties and was used as a go between during the CIA-funded Afghan "jihad" against the occupying Soviets.

It is well established that before his mysterious arrest as the alleged mastermind behind the September 11 plot, Mohammed was granted a visa to enter the US just six weeks before the terrorist attacks in Washington and New York.

Was Khalid Shaikh Mohammed responsible for NORAD completely reversing its standard operating procedure on the day of 9/11??

A testimone from a guy that has been water-boarded for two weeks straight has zero credibility. Torture is useless

And it is all the BS and lies that makes me think the plaza bank statement is suspicious.

[GreNME]

Not for nothing, UW, but Osama did have more to do with the attacks than simply authorizing it and picking the hijackers. At least, he is connected to the 9/11 attacks in similar capacity to Bush being connected to the US invasion of Iraq.

I don't know why you're having this conversation, to be honest. It's a disingenuous claim by the Loose Change folk in order to draw the attention away from the larger subject of 9/11 to mire the argument in cyclic and redundant spurious claims.

[GreNME]

A testimone from a guy that has been water-boarded for two weeks straight has zero credibility. Torture is useless

And it is all the BS and lies that makes me think the plaza bank statement is suspicious.

But none of that takes away from the fact that KSM and Osama have direct connections to the attacks on 9/11. I don't care whether you think they are 'CIA patsies' or not at this point, but there's every bit of evidence that they did, indeed, have direct connections not only to the attackers, but to the attacks themselves based on their associations to and with the hijackers.

You would have to deny the roster of hijackers to even get out of accepting and admitting this.

[DGM]

Malmoesoldier:

Was Khalid Shaikh Mohammed responsible for NORAD completely reversing its standard operating procedure on the day of 9/11??

Resorting to making stuff up again?

[Gravy]

Malmoesoldier isn't even trying. Just spewing nonsense. How sad.

[Malmoesoldier]

Malmoesoldier isn't even trying. Just spewing nonsense. How sad.

Stop reading propaganda and start reading history. Im not the one trying to explain the collapse of WTC with the NIST report, when in fact they dont explain it in the report, you dont know what the difference between speculation and fact is. drink some aspartame while the militia takes back the contry from your corrupt government.

Malmoesoldier:



Resorting to making stuff up again?

Making stuff up?. there was wargames on 9-11 that confused norad. i know your belief system wont accept that.

[Redtail]

Stop reading propaganda and start reading history. Im not the one trying to explain the collapse of WTC with the NIST report, when in fact they dont explain it in the report, you dont know what the difference between speculation and fact is. drink some aspartame while the militia takes back the contry from your corrupt government.

You mean they don't explain what happened after the collapse started.

BTW: Who is this militia you speak of? Aside from a few folks handing out fliers, making cut-n-paste movies, and the once in a while shouting at politicians, I've seen nothing in the way of actually trying to do something from the truth movement.



Making stuff up?. there was wargames on 9-11 that confused norad. i know your belief system wont accept that.

Really? What war games were these?

[DGM]

Stop reading propaganda and start reading history. Im not the one trying to explain the collapse of WTC with the NIST report, when in fact they dont explain it in the report, you dont know what the difference between speculation and fact is. drink some aspartame while the militia takes back the contry from your corrupt government.



Making stuff up?. there was wargames on 9-11 that confused norad. i know your belief system wont accept that.
Hey
they have exorcises every day. Did you mean to dodge this statement?
Was Khalid Shaikh Mohammed responsible for NORAD completely reversing its standard operating procedure on the day of 9/11??

Back something up for once will you? NORAD did not change their procedures on 9/11. Try to prove something "truther".

[Undesired Walrus]

KSM's claim that he ran the 1993 World Trade Center bombing is also highly suspect because it also conveniently sweeps under the carpet the fact that it was the FBI who provided the terror cell with the bomb materials through their informant and ordered the bombing to go ahead.

Ah, the old FBI bomb material theory. Where is the evidence?

In addition, KSM was a known CIA asset in the eighties and was used as a go between during the CIA-funded Afghan "jihad" against the occupying Soviets.

They funded the Arab Mujahideen, Bin Laden accepted none of it.

It is well established that before his mysterious arrest as the alleged mastermind behind the September 11 plot, Mohammed was granted a visa to enter the US just six weeks before the terrorist attacks in Washington and New York.

Gosh, I wonder then why his co-conspirator, Ramzi Bin Al-Sib, was refused a visa 4 times. Curse you NWO!

A testimone from a guy that has been water-boarded for two weeks straight has zero credibility.

What will it take for you to ignore that he admitted the attacks in 2002 to Yosri Fouda again? And Ramzi showing Fouda the training manuals?

And it is all the BS and lies that makes me think the plaza bank statement is suspicious.

Why will you not accept your mistake, and admit that KSM preparing a plan to fly a plane into a one-floor bank near a train station, is simply silly, and the fact he said skyscraper means, yes, it was the Plaza Bank building he intended to hit, built in 1981?

What are you saying? That after a fun afternoon water boarding he went onto the internet and found the plaza bank with the Earth shattering symbol of providing work for Hispanic workers, and thought 'Gee, this will shake them up'?

[T.A.M.]

Or turn on fox news and drink some aspartame

While I dislike Fox, I will drink all the aspartame I like, and will not get cancer or MS. While you are spewing the Woo, would you like to bring up the deadly Mercury in vaccines, oh and I know, how about AIDS was govt made...how about some more...like, oh how about The Joos are responsible for all da ebils in the world.

Some one bring me a decent truther please.

TAM:)

[ktesibios]

Regarding the claim that the FBI provided the materials for the 1993 WTC bomb- you know, it isn't terribly hard to find contemporary news coverage of the Abdel Rahman et al trial. What's interesting about this is that while the defense slammed Emad Salem as having been a loose-cannon provocateur working for the Egyptian government to induce the defendants to engage in bombings- an entrapment defense, they don't seem ever to have accused the FBI of having supplied materials.

The defense is seeking to portray Mr. Salem as having been so loosely supervised by the F.B.I. agents who worked with him that he was able to plant or create evidence to incriminate the defendants and destroy or doctor evidence that could exonerate them...

anything showing that Mr. Salem had been able to do things in the investigtion without the F.B.I.'s knowledge, like recording unauthorized conversations, is being stressed to suggest to the jury that the kind of F.B.I. monitoring that permitted this also made it possible for Mr. Salem to "manufacture" the case against the defendants in general, as Lynne F. Stewart, Mr. Abdel Rahman's lawyer, put it.
source (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE5D91131F935A35754C0A9639582 60&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Organizations/U/United%20Nations)

The defense has been trying to demonstrate that Mr. Salem is an Egyptian intelligence double agent who entrapped Mr. Abdel Rahman and the other men on trial in a farfetched scheme to bomb New York landmarks. Ms. Stewart's theory is that the Egyptian Government wants to keep Mr. Abdel Rahman from returning to Egypt, where he is popular among Islamic fundamentalists seeking to overthrow the government.
source (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE1DA1E31F930A15750C0A9639582 60&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Organizations/U/United%20Nations)

The defense had access to transcripts of the tapes Salem made of his conversations with FBI agents about the case:

The transcripts, which are stamped "draft" and compiled from 70 tapes recorded secretly during the last two years by Mr. Salem, were turned over to defense lawyers in the second bombing case by the Government on Tuesday under a judge's order barring lawyers from disseminating them. A large portion of the material was made available to The New York Times.
source (http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b3c830e34de.htm)

And although they were aware of Salem's claim that his idea to provide inert material to the plotters in lieu of explosives was nixed by the FBI supervisor in charge of handling him, it doesn't seem to have occurred to these very active and aggressive defense lawyers to accuse the FBI either of having supplied the materials or of having ordered the plot to go ahead.

That accusation appears to be entirely an artifact of the paranoid conspiracy theory industry's "Chinese whispers" research methods and the confirmation bias of CTers.

Salem does not appear to be a terribly honest man, and the FBI higher-ups involved don't come off as being very bright or imaginative, but it's a long way from that to the standard-issue PCT boilerplate being spouted by malmoesoldier.

[Malmoesoldier]

Hey
they have exorcises every day. Did you mean to dodge this statement?


Back something up for once will you? NORAD did not change their procedures on 9/11. Try to prove something "truther".

You dont even know the NIST report. try doing some research. these links has some interesting info. and i love how people try to debunk norman mineta. offcourse he is a lier right?

http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/thestar/access/426239581.html?did=426239581&FMT=ABS

http://www.911proof.com/9.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/defense/torontostar_russiangame.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/04/19/norad.exercise/index.html

http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/911/norad.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/usaf_911.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/agency_planned_exercise_on_sept_11_built_around_a_ plane_crashing_into_a_building.htm

While I dislike Fox, I will drink all the aspartame I like, and will not get cancer or MS. While you are spewing the Woo, would you like to bring up the deadly Mercury in vaccines, oh and I know, how about AIDS was govt made...how about some more...like, oh how about The Joos are responsible for all da ebils in the world.

Some one bring me a decent truther please.

TAM:)

aspartame and mercury is PROVEN to be dangerous. How ignorant are you?. do some research about it. and you might wanna read about how vaccines has killed kids. floride in water is good to! thats why hiter gave it to the jews.

[ktesibios]

aspartame and mercury is PROVEN to be dangerous. How ignorant are you?. do some research about it. and you might wanna read about how vaccines has killed kids. floride in water is good to! thats why hiter gave it to the jews.

Ahh. A thoroughgoing syndromist, I see.

<plonk>

[Brainache]

You dont even know the NIST report. try doing some research. these links has some interesting info. and i love how people try to debunk norman mineta. offcourse he is a lier right?

...




aspartame and mercury is PROVEN to be dangerous. How ignorant are you?. do some research about it. and you might wanna read about how vaccines has killed kids. floride in water is good to! thats why hiter gave it to the jews.

You are pretty new to this aren't you Malmo?

[Malmoesoldier]

You are pretty new to this aren't you Malmo?

mineta is a lier?

aspartame isnt dangerous?

do you think the NIST report explains the collapse of WTC like the other zombies on this forum to?. lol

[Skibum]

Stop reading propaganda and start reading history.



Well quit posting propaganda so we can get back to reading history.

[JimBenArm]

do some research about it. and you might wanna read about how vaccines has killed kids.
Yes, vaccines are evil. Why, my cousin never would have been maimed by polio if it wasn't for vaccines. Wait, no, she got it before vaccines practically eradicated it. Hmm. Smallpox! Yeah! Wait, no, thousands died annually before it was given. Mumps? Rubella? Whooping cough?
Dang, I'm running out of diseases that are better letting run rampant here. Oh, but I'm with you! Let thousands of kids die of natural causes at greater numbers because a few might get sick annually from the vaccination! Makes perfect sense!
Cost/benefit analysis is obviously your major, isn't it?

[Skibum]

Cost/benefit analysis is obviously your major, isn't it?

While we are at it lets ban dihydrogen monoxide as well.


http://www.dhmo.org/

[JimBenArm]

While we are at it lets ban dihydrogen monoxide as well.


http://www.dhmo.org/
Yes, it's been a known hazard for years, yet nothing is done!

[Malmoesoldier]

Yes, vaccines are evil. Why, my cousin never would have been maimed by polio if it wasn't for vaccines. Wait, no, she got it before vaccines practically eradicated it. Hmm. Smallpox! Yeah! Wait, no, thousands died annually before it was given. Mumps? Rubella? Whooping cough?
Dang, I'm running out of diseases that are better letting run rampant here. Oh, but I'm with you! Let thousands of kids die of natural causes at greater numbers because a few might get sick annually from the vaccination! Makes perfect sense!
Cost/benefit analysis is obviously your major, isn't it?

If you stop being ignorant and do some research you will see that some vaccines has killed people (not every vaccince is dangerous ) three girls died not to long ago from a vaccine, cant remeber what type of vaccine it was. And if you say aspartame and floride isnt unhealthy you really have no clue what you are talking about. aspartame has made people blind and triggered brain tumors. if the news dont mention it it cant be true right? the news is your religion?

[JimBenArm]

If you stop being ignorant and do some research you will see that some vaccines has killed people (not every vaccince is dangerous ) three girls died not to long ago from a vaccine, cant remeber what type of vaccine it was. And if you say aspartame and floride isnt unhealthy you really have no clue what you are talking about. aspartame has made people blind and triggered brain tumors. if the news dont mention it it cant be true right? the news is your religion?
Just wondering, in case I forgot:
Did I say anything at all about flouride or aspartamine, or is this all just joined at the hip in your fevered mind? Not that I don't think they are safe, just that I didn't say anything at all about them. Please try to read for comprehension. It will make your life so much easier.
Hmm. Some girls somewhere died from some vaccine, but you don't know what it was. Not every vaccine is dangerous, yet you rant about all vaccines.
Yes, obviously I'm the one who needs to do more research. How foolish of me.

[GreNME]

If you stop being ignorant and do some research you will see that some vaccines has killed people (not every vaccince is dangerous ) three girls died not to long ago from a vaccine, cant remeber what type of vaccine it was. And if you say aspartame and floride isnt unhealthy you really have no clue what you are talking about. aspartame has made people blind and triggered brain tumors. if the news dont mention it it cant be true right? the news is your religion?

More shifting goalposts. This is simultaneously more entertaining and more disheartening than watching people argue over varying string theories.

[gumboot]

Ha ha.

I'm not even going to bother.

-Gumboot

[Undesired Walrus]

You dont even know the NIST report. try doing some research. these links has some interesting info. and i love how people try to debunk norman mineta. offcourse he is a lier right?

What the hell has the NIST report got to do with NORAD? Clearly you do not know it either.

Are you going to admit you are wrong on

a) KSM making up a lie about flying a plane into a one-floor bank, rather than a very tall skyscraper?
b) KSM and Ramzi Bin Al-Shib not admitting, providing evidence, in 2002, to Yosri Fouda?
c) KSM admitting everything because of his torture, when really he did not reveal the locations of Al Qeada spies in California and South Africa?

[chillzero]

Malmoe, can you please try to keep threads on topic when you participate. So far I have made 2 splits from an already merged thread, and now you are talking about vaccines in this one. Start new threads when you want to discuss something new, instead of derailing the ones you are in.

[T.A.M.]

aspartame and mercury is PROVEN to be dangerous. How ignorant are you?. do some research about it. and you might wanna read about how vaccines has killed kids. floride in water is good to! thats why hiter gave it to the jews.

You will find I am far from ignorant on the topics, and the BS conspiracy theories. Penicillin kills every year through anaphylaxis, but it saves many many more. From reading your comments, you seem to be the ignorant one.

So proof please...and the "whales" site is not proof.

YES, Large doses of accumulated Mercury in the body is poisonous. thimerosal is in very few if any vaccines now. It was removed more from fear of false litigation than anything else. To date I have seen one study proving a causative link. It was performed by a Father/Son with an agenda who have been blasted for the lack of scientific merit and the poor study design. From what I can see, they are the laughing stock of the scientific community. Aspartame has had no SCIENTIFIC DATA, in particular NO CONTROL TRIAL (The gold standard by the way) Showing it causes any serious pathology. There was a woman some years ago, who had a family member die of brain CA. he also consumed a fair bit of aspartame. Without any evidence she falsely made a connection of cause and effect, and went on an extensive tour promoting the lies. Once again show me the scientific studies, not the opinions of quacks or fools. Fluoride in the water is safe, please, once again, show me some scientific studies showing otherwise.

I want you to, please, this is a field I actually have a good degree of expertise in. Best thing, however, if you wish to discuss it further, is to start a thread on which ever one you want.

You do get around don't you, a member of David Icke's forum, Bluelight (responsible drug use), LCF, drugs-plaza.com, Physorg, The Resistance Manifesto, Thugz-network.

Of course it could be other "Malmoesoldier"s, but it doesn't sound like a common name.

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

double post

[Malmoesoldier]

What the hell has the NIST report got to do with NORAD? Clearly you do not know it either.

Are you going to admit you are wrong on

a) KSM making up a lie about flying a plane into a one-floor bank, rather than a very tall skyscraper?
b) KSM and Ramzi Bin Al-Shib not admitting, providing evidence, in 2002, to Yosri Fouda?
c) KSM admitting everything because of his torture, when really he did not reveal the locations of Al Qeada spies in California and South Africa?

Like i say his testimonies isnt evidence. but it wouldnt surprise me if he had something to do with 9-11. but he is absolutely not the mastermind, everyone knows that. 9-11 was an inside job. the mafia that runs america loves people like KSM thats why they fund people like him. And i wont change topic again but you can see the evidence for the oklahoma city bombing here

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/bombs.html
http://www.independence.net/okc/congressbombreport.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/220207fbiagent.htm

Aspartame has had no SCIENTIFIC DATA. Fluoride in the water is safe

Do you know that the World is round?. i dont want to change the topic so i will help you out with some links so you can read about it.

http://befreetech.com/aspartame_facts.htm
http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/recent.html#1
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/130405aspartamelink.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/Oct05/021005aspartame.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/251105causescancer.htm

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/kidney
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/131006Fluoridated.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/September2006/140906fluoride.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/april2006/050406aspartame3.jpg

[Undesired Walrus]

Like i say his testimonies isnt evidence. but it wouldnt surprise me if he had something to do with 9-11. but he is absolutely not the mastermind, everyone knows that.

Argument by fictional authority eh? Care to back that up?

9-11 was an inside job. the mafia that runs america loves people like KSM thats why they fund people like him.


Evidence that KSM has been funded by America?

When are you going to read the 9/11 commission report?

I want to get your answers and evidence that contradict these statements I made.

1: KSM and Ramzi Bin Al-Shib admitting, providing evidence, in 2002, to Yosri Fouda?
2: KSM admitting not everything because of his torture, because he did not reveal the locations of Al Qeada spies in California and South Africa?
3: The target not being a one floor bank for Hispanic clients near a train station?

[Dave Rogers]

Just trying to catch up on this thread. Can someone check my working here on the Plaza Bank issue?

(1) KSM's confession said that among the planned targets was the Plaza Bank in Washington State.
(2) There are several Plaza Banks in the USA, but the one in Washington State was founded in 2006.
(3) The Plaza Bank in Washington State has a building only a couple of storeys high, so wouldn't be a likely target for a 9-11 style suicide hijack attack.
(4) The Bank of America Plaza in Washington State is a prominent skyscraper that has been there since 1981 and hence would be a feasible projected target.
(5) Malmoesoldier is basically casting doubt on KSM's testimony because he abbreviated "Bank of America Plaza" to "Plaza Bank".

Is that about it?

I can't help thinking that, in an attack designed to destroy major symbols of the military, financial and political power of the USA, a tower with the title "Bank of America Plaza" would be an obvious candidate for consideration. I also can't help thinking that someone whose first language was not English might not get the words in the right order.

Overall, this sounds like a classic piece of truth movement deception, a term that should be an oxymoron but sadly isn't.

Dave

[Undesired Walrus]

Shame Malmo never responded to this thread. I wondered where it had gone. Where has he gone?