I can get EVP's

[mayday]

I know because I have gotten them before.

If I was to get some and post them here, would anyone be interested, or would it be old news? I can't tell if some people here are saying they don't exist or if they are saying the voices on them are radio interference. I say this because I have actually had interaction take place with an EVP.
The best I can do in the way of something better than anecdotal evidence, but even then, people would insist I tampered with it, I'm afraid.

[Ducky]

http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Evp

[Rob Lister]

I know because I have gotten them before.

If I was to get some and post them here, would anyone be interested, or would it be old news? I can't tell if some people here are saying they don't exist or if they are saying the voices on them are radio interference. I say this because I have actually had interaction take place with an EVP.
The best I can do in the way of something better than anecdotal evidence, but even then, people would insist I tampered with it, I'm afraid.

Were you to quote them here, I personallly would put you in the same category as George.

[this charming man]

I know because I have gotten them before.

If I was to get some and post them here, would anyone be interested, or would it be old news? I can't tell if some people here are saying they don't exist or if they are saying the voices on them are radio interference. I say this because I have actually had interaction take place with an EVP.
The best I can do in the way of something better than anecdotal evidence, but even then, people would insist I tampered with it, I'm afraid.

Most people here will give you a fair shake; this is assuming you are not a troll.

I would certainly read Duck's link.

[wahrheit]

If I was to get some and post them here, would anyone be interested, or would it be old news?

You also said that you have two photographs with "very obvious apparitions of people", which obviously prove to you that ghosts exist.

Upon asking you to post those pictures, you said "I don't have a scanner".

*yawn*

[CLD]

I know because I have gotten them before.

If I was to get some and post them here, would anyone be interested, or would it be old news? I can't tell if some people here are saying they don't exist or if they are saying the voices on them are radio interference. I say this because I have actually had interaction take place with an EVP.
The best I can do in the way of something better than anecdotal evidence, but even then, people would insist I tampered with it, I'm afraid.

If you feel you have reliable evidence of the supernatural or paranormal to offer, then get into the MDC thread and file an application, or ask here for advice on protocols and feasibility. Otherwise this thread follows the same unproductive pattern as your others:

1. Offer a ghost video, ghost photo, woo theory, etc. for examination.
2. Challenge people to "debunk it", reversing the burden of proof.
3. Use inability to prove something ISN'T paranormal as a platform to advance various woo ideas, such as "overlapping dimensions" and make cryptic comments such as "there is more to this world than we know", etc.

[Normal Dude]

hotpatootie,

I used to be the EVP "specialist" for a paranormal team. It was while on that team I would become a skeptic. ;)

For the EVPs to have any merit at all, you need to produce a detailed work flow of how they were recorded, environment factors, and what modifications were made to the data, with copies of the original and modified file. That would just be assurance that the recording was not tampered with. Even then, it is not proof of paranormal phenomena. It can be any numbers of causes more likely than unearthly voices. :)

[fishbait]

I know because I have gotten them before.

I say this because I have actually had interaction take place with an EVP.
.What does this mean? Like you had a conversation with your toaster?

[kosai]

hotpatootie:

Could you explain the process in which you are getting the recordings you propose? How are you determining what is being said by the recorded voices? Would you be willing to try an experiment in which you and others on the forum try to write a transcript of what is being said with multiple people providing their interpretations seperately and privately? If multiple people heard the same message it might indicate something more noteworthy than if you simply provide an audio file along with your interpretation of the message. If multiple people were to come up with different transcripts from the same audio file would it help you to better realize these random sounds are more in the ear of the beholder rather than actual attempts at communication?

Would anyone else be willing to participate in this to better prove our point?

[Alice Shortcake]

This is a quotation from EVP pioneer Konstantin Raudive's book Breakthrough:

"The voice entities speak very rapidly, in a mixture of languages, sometimes as many as five or six in one sentence."
"They speak in a definite rhythm, which seems forced on them."
"The rhythmic mode imposes a shortened, telegram-style phrase or sentence."
Probably because of this, "… grammatical rules are frequently abandoned and neologisms abound." :confused:

In other words, EVP is the aural equivalent of the Rorschach test. If the hearer is allowed to pick 'n mix different languages, ignore grammatical rules and allow the entities to make up words as they go along, it would be astounding if "messages" didn't turn up! :)

[Ducky]

This is a quotation from EVP pioneer Konstantin Raudive's book Breakthrough:

"The voice entities speak very rapidly, in a mixture of languages, sometimes as many as five or six in one sentence."
"They speak in a definite rhythm, which seems forced on them."
"The rhythmic mode imposes a shortened, telegram-style phrase or sentence."
Probably because of this, "… grammatical rules are frequently abandoned and neologisms abound." :confused:

In other words, EVP is the aural equivalent of the Rorschach test. If the hearer is allowed to pick 'n mix different languages, ignore grammatical rules and allow the entities to make up words as they go along, it would be astounding if "messages" didn't turn up! :)

In the EVP article link I gave there's an interesting study in which core tones of acoustic speech were stripped from the timbre of the recording leaving only tones and when given no context, people didn't hear anything but noise, but when told they were listening for a sentence (and not told what that sentence is) they heard speech. In other words, the brain can fill in to hear things that may or may not be there.

[CLD]

hotpatootie:

Could you explain the process in which you are getting the recordings you propose? How are you determining what is being said by the recorded voices? Would you be willing to try an experiment in which you and others on the forum try to write a transcript of what is being said with multiple people providing their interpretations seperately and privately? If multiple people heard the same message it might indicate something more noteworthy than if you simply provide an audio file along with your interpretation of the message. If multiple people were to come up with different transcripts from the same audio file would it help you to better realize these random sounds are more in the ear of the beholder rather than actual attempts at communication?

Would anyone else be willing to participate in this to better prove our point?

Good suggestion. However a consensus agreement of a sounds interpretation would not necessarily warrant any significant degree of noteworthiness. Without an objective application of strict controls on the recording environment to rule out natural causes, fraud and human error, a recording of (for example) a male voice clearly heard saying "OK" might be the next door neighbor, a passerby, a prankster, a radio transmission, etc. and not anything remotely supernatural.

[Denver]

In the EVP article link I gave there's an interesting study in which core tones of acoustic speech were stripped from the timbre of the recording leaving only tones and when given no context, people didn't hear anything but noise, but when told they were listening for a sentence (and not told what that sentence is) they heard speech. In other words, the brain can fill in to hear things that may or may not be there.

Yeah this kind of contextual biasing is rampant throughout paranormal investigations.

For example, three people are investigating a house, and hear a creak from the attic. If person one was from animal control looking for pests, they might think it is very probably a squirrel. If person two were doing a structural analysis, they might think it was the house settling. And if person three was doing a paranormal investigation, they tend to assume it is an 'entity'.

[kosai]

Good suggestion. However a consensus agreement of a sounds interpretation would not necessarily warrant any significant degree of noteworthiness. Without an objective application of strict controls on the recording environment to rule out natural causes, fraud and human error, a recording of (for example) a male voice clearly heard saying "OK" might be the next door neighbor, a passerby, a prankster, a radio transmission, etc. and not anything remotely supernatural.

While I agree that the test would do nothing to *prove* anything to anyone here, the original poster seems to have made multiple posts around the forum suggesting we are being too critical rather than doing experimentation and giving the benefit of the doubt to "evidence" which is being presented. If this is a "conversation" rather than random sounds the recording should be something multiple people could agree makes sense as a conversation (or some people would hear and point out a more random nature to the words.) Of course none of this would rule out a hoax however the original poster has in a few other threads said they have been accused of trickery in the past when they claim to have done nothing of the sort. If it is a fraud and the results did happen to be of any note of course more elaborate measures would have to be taken to eliminate the other possible causes. It's just in fun as a forum post and to hopefully illustrate the idea better to those who might not have thought of good ways to critically think about such things rather than a serious inquiry.

[Biscuit]

Did anybody else follow this link from the wikipedia EVP page?
http://aaevp.com/examples.htm

Take a look at their examples of faces, its almost sad how desperatly these people want to believe. They manipulate a blank wall to bring out a face.

As for EVP's or any other evidence you have it needs to be presented in an orderly manor with full disclosure of any work done to it, chain of custody, ect. Otherwise you are on your own pal.

[wahrheit]

Did anybody else follow this link from the wikipedia EVP page?
http://aaevp.com/examples.htm

Take a look at their examples of faces, its almost sad how desperatly these people want to believe. They manipulate a blank wall to bring out a face.

Followed your link. I think you can strike the word "almost" in your above sentence.

[Ducky]

Did anybody else follow this link from the wikipedia EVP page?
http://aaevp.com/examples.htm

Take a look at their examples of faces, its almost sad how desperatly these people want to believe. They manipulate a blank wall to bring out a face.

As for EVP's or any other evidence you have it needs to be presented in an orderly manor with full disclosure of any work done to it, chain of custody, ect. Otherwise you are on your own pal.

I think you mean the SkepticWiki page (unless that is also on the wikipedia page) But the article I linked to is not wikipedia proper, though it does run on the same software.

[kosai]

EVP always reminds me of:

http://www.reversespeech.com/home.htm

and also...

http://victorthebudgie.com/

These can be so easily dismissed by closing your eyes while listenng to the recordings, then writing down your prediction of what was said, then watching what the author claims is said. I came up with very few matches doing this. For anyone who hasn't seen these sites they are pretty funny (in the same sad way.)


It's funny too that the "Victor" site sets up the following guidelines to prohibit you from doing the above... They are as follows:

To understand what he is saying try the following:

1. First read the words I have provided with the recording.

2. Once you understand what he is communicating, then play the recording.

3. The words will also pop up in the QuckTime5 player so you can follow them better.

4. Trust the words that I provide with the recording to be more than 95% accurate. At first you may think he is saying something different. Therefore, I will assure you again, I have spent hundred of hours anayzing these recordings and know them to be highly accurate.

5. Don't question the translation as you are listening to it. If you question the translation, you will not be able to concentrate and will most likely miss most of it.

6. Thousands of people now understand Victor word for word as I do. So instead of questioning it, make yourself understand small sections at a time. Then listen to it again until you understand more.

7. Eventually you should be able to pick up most of what he is saying as I have translated it. Most people find they have to listen to each recording 5-20 times before they understand it all.

8. Once you have a good grasp on what he is saying, play the second file and see if you can understand it without the words.

[Ducky]

Anyone have a link to Wiseman's presentation on backward masking from TAM 4?

[Alice Shortcake]

Followed your link. I think you can strike the word "almost" in your above sentence.

These people really are beyond help - "One person even found a decent face in well illuminated piece of sandpaper." :jaw-dropp

Pitiful. And don't get me started on the leprechauns lurking in grainy video images. :eye-poppi

[wahrheit]

Is it only me, or do you guys and gals also have the impression that we are more or less talking to each other, I mean amongst us, in threads like this?

This smells of ostrich.

[Biscuit]

I think you mean the SkepticWiki page (unless that is also on the wikipedia page) But the article I linked to is not wikipedia proper, though it does run on the same software.

I stand corrected. I also sit corrected at times but I am not in the mood.

[kosai]

The undeniable proof all sunday school songs sung backwards are evil:

http://www.thebranflakes.com/scrump/sunday.html

[Biscuit]

http://victorthebudgie.com/

That actualy takes the award for the most bat**** crazy thing I have ever seen. What a lunatic. It is cute that victor sounds and speaks like yoda.

I wouldn't mind joing the Budgie Research Group, it sounds like a very lackadaisical way to spends ones day. Doubt there is much money it though.

[CLD]

The Budgie is cute, but the prize has gotta go to the Coffee Pot Ghost. (http://coffeepotghost.com/CoffeePotGhost_Historic.html)

[Ducky]

I stand corrected. I also sit corrected at times but I am not in the mood.

It is easy to mistake the skepticwiki for wiki proper, as they have the same skinning. I am working on a skin to customize the skepticwiki.

Cheers :)

[Biscuit]

The Budgie is cute, but the prize has gotta go to the Coffee Pot Ghost. (http://coffeepotghost.com/CoffeePotGhost_Historic.html)

At least the budgie guys site is some what organized. I can't figure out what is going on with that site. I give it the worst website design award.

All I can gather is some lady is recording her coffee pot? Please tell me I am wrong.

[kosai]

At least the budgie guys site is some what organized. I can't figure out what is going on with that site. I give it the worst website design award.

All I can gather is some lady is recording her coffee pot? Please tell me I am wrong.


Oh... so close... she indeed does record it and... there's ghosts in them there perculator.

[CLD]

At least the budgie guys site is some what organized. I can't figure out what is going on with that site. I give it the worst website design award.

All I can gather is some lady is recording her coffee pot? Please tell me I am wrong.

You expect these folks to have coherent, organized presentations? :D

The coffee pot lady is either the world's wackiest woo or greatest prankster. Whichever it is, she started off with a few .wavs of her coffee pot grunting and groaning, and rapidly progressed to recordings of her own voice played backwards --- all of which she maintains emanate from the spirit world.

http://coffeepotghost.com/CPG_Chronology.html

[mayday]

You also said that you have two photographs with "very obvious apparitions of people", which obviously prove to you that ghosts exist.

Upon asking you to post those pictures, you said "I don't have a scanner".

*yawn*

First of all, it wasn't two photographs, it is one photograph with two people in it.

Second, I never said it proved to me that ghosts exist.

Why do people keep assuming this? Would that prove it to you?

It doesn't prove anything to me. But they are there, so it must be something other than gas in the wind.

Third, I don't recall anyone specifically asking me to post the photo. Do you know of a way I can scan it online? Does Kinko's or Office Max do this? Someone did have it uploaded to a website at one time but I'm not sure it is still up (this picture interested quite a few people years back). I'll see if I can find it, though.

BTW, I believe that some of the EVP theories are stretching it a bit for explanations, but I'm sure some of them could be accurate.

[mayday]

In other words, the brain can fill in to hear things that may or may not be there.

Exactly, our senses are malleable, just like wahrheit's memory.

[Apology]

First of all, it wasn't two photographs, it is one photograph with two people in it.

Second, I never said it proved to me that ghosts exist.

Why do people keep assuming this? Would that prove it to you?

It doesn't prove anything to me. But they are there, so it must be something other than gas in the wind.

Third, I don't recall anyone specifically asking me to post the photo. Do you know of a way I can scan it online? Does Kinko's or Office Max do this? Someone did have it uploaded to a website at one time but I'm not sure it is still up (this picture interested quite a few people years back). I'll see if I can find it, though.

BTW, I believe that some of the EVP theories are stretching it a bit for explanations, but I'm sure some of them could be accurate.
It's probably because you said you could get EVPs which implies that you believe that ghosts exist and think that your EVP recordings prove it.

Also, it may be something other than gas on the wind, but that doesn't automatically mean it's spectral voices either.

[mayday]

Did anybody else follow this link from the wikipedia EVP page?
http://aaevp.com/examples.htm

Take a look at their examples of faces, its almost sad how desperatly these people want to believe. They manipulate a blank wall to bring out a face.

As for EVP's or any other evidence you have it needs to be presented in an orderly manor with full disclosure of any work done to it, chain of custody, ect. Otherwise you are on your own pal.

You know what I notice? They use the worst examples of alleged ghost photography to make a point. There's an old tree in the woods by our house that looks like an old man with a long beard...sorry to disappoint the woo-hunters but that's all it is: a novelty.

That damn tv deal with the faces showing up on it, though...they said that face was the woman's dead sister? I'd throw that tv out. They tried to say that baby was taking it's first steps so the camera should have been more focused on the boy but it just looked like the boy was pulling up on the couch and the camera may have been pointed a little off, it has happened to me many times.
Even the author of that site admitted it was unusual if it wasn't tampered with.

And I had to look pretty hard to see a face on that wall. If it hadn't been pointed out I doubt I nor most others would have ever noticed it.

When I was reading that website I felt like I was reading a copy The Watchtower put out by the Jehova's Witnesses.

Let's see some more serious stuff than that.

[mayday]

The noises I got were specifically in response to two questions, what is your name? and how old are you? Both times the responses were made by what sounded like a little girl whispering into the microphone of the recorder.

We also got a stick being tapped on the wall.

I tend to think it there is anything like that which could exist at all what we are making contact with is nothing we would actually want to contact, like demons and evil spirits.
That's if. I'm not an unreasonable person. If someone could prove to me we were just getting reception from an episode of The Brady Bunch from two miles away (which is where the closest house was, I'd be willing to consider that's what it was.

[mayday]

Also, it may be something other than gas on the wind, but that doesn't automatically mean it's spectral voices either.

You are certainly right about that. But wouldn't you like to know what it is, too?

[wahrheit]

First of all, it wasn't two photographs, it is one photograph with two people in it.
You definitely mentioned 2 (two) photographs. Number one was the one you took yourself, number two was the one the family of the bearded guy showed to you, which to you proved your photograph to show an "apparition". It's all in the other thread you started, so please don't deny it.


Second, I never said it proved to me that ghosts exist.

Semantics. Please read the other thread you started.

Third, I don't recall anyone specifically asking me to post the photo.
I asked you, specifically, if you had posted those pictures here or anywhere else. Again, please do looky looky at your other thread. It's right there.

Do you know of a way I can scan it online?
That's a joke question, right? How in the world should scanning a printed photograph possibly work online.

[mayday]

You definitely mentioned 2 (two) photographs. Number one was the one you took yourself, number two was the one the family of the bearded guy showed to you, which to you proved your photograph to show an "apparition". It's all in the other thread you started, so please don't deny it.


The picture the family gave me wasn't a ghost picture

Semantics. Please read the other thread you started.

Gee, whiz...


I asked you, specifically, if you had posted those pictures here or anywhere else. Again, please do looky looky at your other thread. It's right there.


That's a joke question, right? How in the world should scanning a printed photograph possibly work online.

No, it isn't. I know you can load it to file then to a website, just don't know if it can be done as a service.

[CLD]

BTW, I believe that some of the EVP theories are stretching it a bit for explanations, but I'm sure some of them could be accurate.

Which specific theories do you think could be accurate and why?

I don't recall anyone specifically asking me to post the photo. Do you know of a way I can scan it online? Does Kinko's or Office Max do this?

You seem to have a loose grasp of how technology works. Do you think this might have anything to do with your tendency to look to the supernatural as a likely explanation for things you don't understand?

[Apology]

You are certainly right about that. But wouldn't you like to know what it is, too?

I've listened to hundreds of EVP recordings and thus far, every one has been confirmation error---the person who recorded it was hearing patterns in the noises on the tape so that the noises sounded like voices. My favorite was the one that was clearly a caterwaul that was interpreted as a baby crying.

[mayday]

Which specific theories do you think could be accurate and why?



You seem to have a loose grasp of how technology works. Do you think this might have anything to do with your tendency to look to the supernatural as a likely explanation for things you don't understand?


Damnit, I know damn well how it is loaded, I just don't have the equipment to do it. thaiboxerkenny said it wouldn't matter anyway because it would be a hoax.

I think theories of radio interference and signal interruption are plausible. But it still doesn't explain the (sometimes) interactive EVP's. I can't believe you have only been able to hear noise that was a different interperetation with each person who heard it, because the tape I have NO ONE had any doubt about what was said. The only confusion among everyone who heard it was did the thing answer "Ëlouise" or "Louise."? I will say I scoured the courthouse records for a girl who may have lived there by that or a similar name but came up with nothing. But what is heard on the recording is unmistakeable.

[Apology]

The only confusion among everyone who heard it was did the thing answer "Ëlouise" or "Louise."?
Which is it? Eloise, or Louise? Maybe it's "please", or even "cheese" or "fleas". The fact that all of you talked about it to each other means there's no longer a chance at independent verification. If each person had listened to the EVP without discussing it with each other, written down what they heard on a piece of paper and put it in an envelope, opened the envelopes at the end and compared what they'd written, and all of them had written either "Eloise" or "Louise" this might have worked. As it is, one person said "I think it says Louise!" and everyone else said, "Yeah, yeah, it is. Well maybe it's Eloise, but it's Louise something for sure."


But what is heard on the recording is unmistakeable.
So which is it? Louise or Eloise?

[Apology]

I'm not trying to be harsh or anything, I'm just trying to help you work through this thing logically :blush:

[mayday]

When I played it to people-different people in different places--I never told them what to listen for, for your information. But when that part came up their eyes always got big and (most) thought it said "Louise." Then some people thought it said Ëlouise." There wasn't any confusion as to whether it was a baby crying or someone passing gas. THey all heard a female child's voice.

You must think I don't have enough sense to come in out of the rain. Of course I took these kinds of things into account and did not put suggestions about what they would hear into their minds.

[CLD]

I think theories of radio interference and signal interruption are plausible. But it still doesn't explain the (sometimes) interactive EVP's.

Do you think Pareidolia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia) and Confirmation_bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias) might be more likely explanations than disembodied entities using some unknown method of communication?

A few questions I'd ponder:

-Why do ghosts, spirits and paranormal stuff avoid manifesting in the midst of university laboratories and mainstream research facilities?

-Why do ghosts and spirits only deign to manifest themselves to amateur hobbyists in out of the way locations with loose or no controls?

-If ghosts and spirits can generate some amount of RF energy which can be amplified by audio circuits and detected (or manipulate digital and magnetic media), why aren't global communications, information technology, consumer devices, audio and video entertainment media, etc. flooded with chatter from the spirit world?

-Why haven''t the millions of technical professionals whose job it is to study, develop, optimize and protect the integrity of electronic media detected any evidence of spirit energy, disembodied voices, etc. whatsoever?

I can't believe you have only been able to hear noise that was a different interperetation with each person who heard it, because the tape I have NO ONE had any doubt about what was said. The only confusion among everyone who heard it was did the thing answer "Ëlouise" or "Louise."? I will say I scoured the courthouse records for a girl who may have lived there by that or a similar name but came up with nothing. But what is heard on the recording is unmistakeable.

So you're scouring courthouse records for a name to match one you feel you heard on an audio recorder? Why? Do you believe in hauntings?

[Ducky]

You must think I don't have enough sense to come in out of the rain.

The thought had crossed my mind. Did you read the study linked in the EVP article discussing the psychology of your perceptions filling in gaps?

[godless dave]

In the EVP article link I gave there's an interesting study in which core tones of acoustic speech were stripped from the timbre of the recording leaving only tones and when given no context, people didn't hear anything but noise, but when told they were listening for a sentence (and not told what that sentence is) they heard speech. In other words, the brain can fill in to hear things that may or may not be there.

My cognitive psych professor demonstrated the ability of the brain to do this by playing Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" backwards. If you're not prepped for what the "backwards message" is supposed to be, it just sounds like music played backwards.

[LawnOven]

When I played it to people-different people in different places--I never told them what to listen for, for your information. But when that part came up their eyes always got big and (most) thought it said "Louise." Then some people thought it said Ëlouise." There wasn't any confusion as to whether it was a baby crying or someone passing gas. THey all heard a female child's voice.

You must think I don't have enough sense to come in out of the rain. Of course I took these kinds of things into account and did not put suggestions about what they would hear into their minds.

Did you tell these different people in different places the question you asked "it" beforehand?

Because if you did that would already limit the sound to being a name.

[Alareth]

What does this mean? Like you had a conversation with your toaster?


"My toaster is possessed by the Devil!"

"Really?"

"Yes! Really!"

"Why do you think that?"

"It talks and says cruel and horrible things."

"Why don't you get rid of it?"

"Are you kidding? It makes great toast."

[LawnOven]

Did anybody else follow this link from the wikipedia EVP page?
http://aaevp.com/examples.htm

Take a look at their examples of faces, its almost sad how desperatly these people want to believe. They manipulate a blank wall to bring out a face.

As for EVP's or any other evidence you have it needs to be presented in an orderly manor with full disclosure of any work done to it, chain of custody, ect. Otherwise you are on your own pal.

Man I never see what I'm supposed to see, just for the fun of it I'm going to post an "over-lay" of the face I saw in that picture of the wall. Forget the tiny one, mine is a giant head! Maybe I should send my findings into that website. I'm doing great things over here.

[wahrheit]

The picture the family gave me wasn't a ghost picture
I know, and never said otherwise. But it shows the guy who you say can also be seen in the picture you took. You implied it showed the previous home owner. So, both pictures together are important, not only yours.

I am sure you have a friend or know someone with a scanner. Once you have scanned the pictures you can upload them to the internet. Either here or on any of the countless free online services.

[mayday]

Did you tell these different people in different places the question you asked "it" beforehand?

Because if you did that would already limit the sound to being a name.

No, I certainly didn't.

[mayday]

My cognitive psych professor demonstrated the ability of the brain to do this by playing Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" backwards. If you're not prepped for what the "backwards message" is supposed to be, it just sounds like music played backwards.

I like this version MUCH better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmEEnWEaeRk

[CLD]

You know what I notice? They use the worst examples of alleged ghost photography to make a point. There's an old tree in the woods by our house that looks like an old man with a long beard...sorry to disappoint the woo-hunters but that's all it is: a novelty.

That damn tv deal with the faces showing up on it, though...they said that face was the woman's dead sister? I'd throw that tv out. They tried to say that baby was taking it's first steps so the camera should have been more focused on the boy but it just looked like the boy was pulling up on the couch and the camera may have been pointed a little off, it has happened to me many times.

Even the author of that site admitted it was unusual if it wasn't tampered with.

And I had to look pretty hard to see a face on that wall. If it hadn't been pointed out I doubt I nor most others would have ever noticed it.

When I was reading that website I felt like I was reading a copy The Watchtower put out by the Jehova's Witnesses.

Let's see some more serious stuff than that.

Um, there is no "more serious stuff" than that. Like most bunk, believers have attempted to make communication with the dead sound like some kind of a "science". It ain't. EVP is a term made up by a UK publisher in 1970 to boost sales of an English translation of a German manuscript obtained from a wackjob named Raudive (in the book, Raudive gleefully cites recordings of Hitler and Stalin bickering in the afterlife). Since then, other wacknuts have added their own spin to the original fruitcake beliefs.

[Biscuit]

I see, much to my dismay, we have managed to get back on topic. I just need to clarify a few things.

1. So the lady believes the haunted coffee pot broke the neck of her pet lizard and she now fears for the safety of her other lizard? Why can't this stuff happen to me?!

2. So hotpatootie, you quoted my bit about providing the evidence with chain of custody and all but completely ignore the request. Instead you tell us stories about how everyone has verified your EVP's and they are unmistakable...well congratulations you have convinced this skeptic!

Seriously if you have nothing more than your word you are wasting your time if you think anyone here will take that as proof. Until you can provide the evidence you need to stop making claims.

I am off to find out if my juicer is haunted.

[Alice Shortcake]

Man I never see what I'm supposed to see, just for the fun of it I'm going to post an "over-lay" of the face I saw in that picture of the wall. Forget the tiny one, mine is a giant head! Maybe I should send my findings into that website. I'm doing great things over here.

Unless I'm very much mistaken that's Igor Stravinsky! ;)

[Apology]

I am off to find out if my juicer is haunted.

What if your waffle iron is implanting the suggestion that the juicer is haunted in order to draw suspicion away from itself!! :eye-poppi

[mayday]

Without you all with me there could be nothing verifiable anyway.

[slingblade]

Huh?

[Minarvia]

Without you all with me there could be nothing verifiable anyway.

I'm sorry, but that sentence makes no sense. Try again?

Anyway, welcome! But you will find that we do want some level of actual solid evidence for such incredible claims as EVP's being from dead people.
I was once where you were in believing that they could be real. I'm not saying you should change your mind, but that many of us do understand where you are coming from, but having abandoned those ideas we aren't likely to go back to them. At least not unless something more reliable than anecdotes and the impossibility of other causes have been ruled out.

[TheAnachronism]

I'm sorry, but that sentence makes no sense. Try again?

I think he means that without all of us participating in the recording session, we won't believe him.

On the original topic:

What I find odd is that we know that pareidolia exists, and yet EVP researchers would have us believe that it's never in the history of EVP led someone to mistake normal noises for EVP. That in itself would be a phenomenon.

[Dr B]

In terms of the OP - you may, or may not find this link useful / helpful in some way.

http://www.assap.org/newsite/articles/Analysing%20audio%20EVP.html

[Cuddles]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=96367

[Biscuit]

Without you all with me there could be nothing verifiable anyway.

Ok, you have a point there but perhaps a good start would be to provide us with what you do have. Its that or we go back to haunted appliances. Perhaps you could tell who you have recorded and how they manage to be recorded? Your procedure would also be of interest.

[Biscuit]

What if your waffle iron is implanting the suggestion that the juicer is haunted in order to draw suspicion away from itself!! :eye-poppi

I had a feeling the two of them were in on it together but I have a fool proof plan. I am going to fill my bathtub with holy water and toss the two of them in while running in order to bless the ghosts out. No more haunted waffles for me!

[Apology]

I had a feeling the two of them were in on it together but I have a fool proof plan. I am going to fill my bathtub with holy water and toss the two of them in while running in order to bless the ghosts out. No more haunted waffles for me!

Aye, I have a feeling that God might smite the evil appliances with thunderbolts and fire, should they prove to be possessed. Of course, if the appliances should emerge from the bath unscathed and working, surely it is a sign of possession, for no ordinary waffle iron and juicer could survive immersion in water. I approve of your Holy Plan and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[CLD]

Depending on how sleepy I am when arising, I sometimes "hear" the tea kettle's heating-up grunts and groans as words. It could be that some people are in a permanent state of Hypnagogia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia).

[mayday]

Ok, you have a point there but perhaps a good start would be to provide us with what you do have. Its that or we go back to haunted appliances. Perhaps you could tell who you have recorded and how they manage to be recorded? Your procedure would also be of interest.

If I knew the answers I wouldn't be coming here to get insulted.

[Biscuit]

If I knew the answers I wouldn't be coming here to get insulted.

You don't even know the procedure you used? Don't play 'poor me the skeptics are being mean' it doesn't impress anyone.

You said you can get EVP of dead people talking then provide no further info. Come on, get real. Either provide some information or evidence or dont post until you can.

[DoubtingStephen]

Wow, it's like pareidolia for the ears! How nice they are getting some recognition.

Does anyone know if people afflicted with Catholicism are getting sooper-seekrit encoded voicemail messages from the Holy Virgin Mother of God?

[drzeus99]

The sound recordings on that page (The American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomenon) are so fake, it's laughable. Some are outright scams, like one that has the father saying "I love you", which sounds as clear as day because a man is clearly just speaking into a recorder. And a couple others sound like garbage. But almost all are clearly just people trying to pull scams.

Laughable...

Cheers,
DrZ

[drzeus99]

Man I never see what I'm supposed to see, just for the fun of it I'm going to post an "over-lay" of the face I saw in that picture of the wall. Forget the tiny one, mine is a giant head! Maybe I should send my findings into that website. I'm doing great things over here.

I saw the SAME picture as you did. LOL...too funny!


Cheers,
DrZ

[mayday]

You don't even know the procedure you used? Don't play 'poor me the skeptics are being mean' it doesn't impress anyone.

You said you can get EVP of dead people talking then provide no further info. Come on, get real. Either provide some information or evidence or dont post until you can.

There seem to be parts you're skipping.

I didn't say it was necessarily dead people, hunny.

[articulett]

LawnOven-- you saw Einstein! Surely that's a sign...

A sign that the human brain is trained to make sense of random patterns and that faces tend to be a common one... so are sex organs, oddly enough. And there was a great TAM presentation on backmasking (hearing words in stuff played backwards.) The human mind has a knack for making "sense" out of certain kinds on "nonsense". We can read words fluidly even when the letters in the middle are mixed up because of this... and we naturally fill in the details of our blindspot and confabulate when caught in situations we can't explain (see split brain patients and the like.)

[Alice Shortcake]

A miracle has occurred - Hotpatootie has been transformed into Mayday.

Praise Jesus!

[TjW]

If I knew the answers I wouldn't be coming here to get insulted.
Really? Where do you usually go?

[wahrheit]

A miracle has occurred - Hotpatootie has been transformed into Mayday.

Praise Jesus!

Darat did it, with his magic wand. :gasp:

[Biscuit]

Damnit, I know damn well how it is loaded, I just don't have the equipment to do it. thaiboxerkenny said it wouldn't matter anyway because it would be a hoax.

I think theories of radio interference and signal interruption are plausible. But it still doesn't explain the (sometimes) interactive EVP's. I can't believe you have only been able to hear noise that was a different interperetation with each person who heard it, because the tape I have NO ONE had any doubt about what was said. The only confusion among everyone who heard it was did the thing answer "Ëlouise" or "Louise."? I will say I scoured the courthouse records for a girl who may have lived there by that or a similar name but came up with nothing. But what is heard on the recording is unmistakeable.

It would appear here that you do believe that one of your EVPs is the voice of a dead girl. I think that is a fairly logical conclusion based on what you posted. Thus it is a fairly obvious conclusion you think all EVPs are dead people. Are you suggesting you went to the courthouse records to look for a living girl?

Why can't you tell us your procedure?

Why cant you tell us about your equipment?

Why can't you tell us what you think you are recording and how?

You started this thread why don't you want to talk about EVPs?

[Cuddles]

I didn't say it was necessarily dead people, hunny.

So you're claiming you can record living people's voices electronically? That would actually be a really interesting breakthrough, if only it hadn't been a major industry for the last century or so.