H3LL
22nd November 2007, 07:00 AM
In most discussions where one is challenging an opinion and trying to encourage critical thinking one is beset with language issues that immediately antagonise the listener.
For reference some info Here (http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html).
For example; to indicate that another's point was Argumentum ad ignorantiam sound pompous and is not immediately familiar to those not in the know.
Explaining the phrase or using its more easily understood terminology, Argument to ignorance, isn't going to earn you any brownie points and most people assume you are calling them ignorant and get annoyed and defensive.
You then get into a hateful spiral of explaining that ignorance is not a bad thing (nobody believes you) and if you're really foolish, explain that wilful ignorance is the only thing to be considered bad.
So far one had managed to be pompous, insulting and very insulting. :o
Looking down the list of logical fallacies (that phrase alone causes umbrage), there are very few that do not contain words or implications that are easily offensive to those unfamiliar with fallacies or the scientific method.
Added to this, in theological discussions, the word atheist has so much negative baggage attached to it most theist listeners would perform cartwheels to disassociate themselves with any implication of a connection. Alternatives such as "non-believer", "lacking belief" fail to work because they are instantly translated into atheist.
A protracted and rather dull explanation of ones initial position before launching into a critique helps a little...but not a lot and it is still dull.
These are just a couple of examples...There are many more. Feel free to discuss which have caused you most problems.
Is there no hope....
Is language going to be forever an impediment to critical discourse?
PS - Please don't focus on the atheist bit...I'm more interested in the fallacies for non-reigious discussions. Thus the strike added.
For reference some info Here (http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html).
For example; to indicate that another's point was Argumentum ad ignorantiam sound pompous and is not immediately familiar to those not in the know.
Explaining the phrase or using its more easily understood terminology, Argument to ignorance, isn't going to earn you any brownie points and most people assume you are calling them ignorant and get annoyed and defensive.
You then get into a hateful spiral of explaining that ignorance is not a bad thing (nobody believes you) and if you're really foolish, explain that wilful ignorance is the only thing to be considered bad.
So far one had managed to be pompous, insulting and very insulting. :o
Looking down the list of logical fallacies (that phrase alone causes umbrage), there are very few that do not contain words or implications that are easily offensive to those unfamiliar with fallacies or the scientific method.
Added to this, in theological discussions, the word atheist has so much negative baggage attached to it most theist listeners would perform cartwheels to disassociate themselves with any implication of a connection. Alternatives such as "non-believer", "lacking belief" fail to work because they are instantly translated into atheist.
A protracted and rather dull explanation of ones initial position before launching into a critique helps a little...but not a lot and it is still dull.
These are just a couple of examples...There are many more. Feel free to discuss which have caused you most problems.
Is there no hope....
Is language going to be forever an impediment to critical discourse?
PS - Please don't focus on the atheist bit...I'm more interested in the fallacies for non-reigious discussions. Thus the strike added.