Retail sales clerks/cashiers....are they this bad in your area....

[bigred]

Or is it a Virginia thing?

It's not just young kids either; I routinely see "older" people who don't exactly look professional, or act it. I don't expect sales clerks to wear a tux or be a ball of fire, but at least cover up those gross tattoos, don't advertise how half your body is pierced ie put away those ridiculous lip rings (or whatever), comb/brush your greasy friggin hair into some semblence of a style....ie pretend to be at least semi-professional. Also I'm sorry if you hate your job, but nobody forced you into it, you're getting paid, and oh btw it is a customer service-oriented job ...so if I have a question, I expect at least a semi-pleasant/polite attitude and an answer, or you finding the answer out in reasonably quick order.

Anyway just wondering.

[Tokenconservative]

Or is it a Virginia thing?

It's not just young kids either; I routinely see "older" people who don't exactly look professional, or act it. I don't expect sales clerks to wear a tux or be a ball of fire, but at least cover up those gross tattoos, don't advertise how half your body is pierced ie put away those ridiculous lip rings (or whatever), comb/brush your greasy friggin hair into some semblence of a style....ie pretend to be at least semi-professional. Also I'm sorry if you hate your job, but nobody forced you into it, you're getting paid, and oh btw it is a customer service-oriented job ...so if I have a question, I expect at least a semi-pleasant/polite attitude and an answer, or you finding the answer out in reasonably quick order.

Anyway just wondering.

Why tell us?

Tell the store's manager.

I've taken to this approach involving another such issue: when I see AMERICANs working in a place, I demand, loudly, to speak with the manager...who typically is expecting some complaint when he first views my stern look....then I reach out to shake his/her hand, break into a smile and thank him for hiring AMERCANS

Tokie

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Why tell us?

Tell the store's manager.

I've taken to this approach involving another such issue: when I see AMERICANs working in a place, I demand, loudly, to speak with the manager...who typically is expecting some complaint when he first views my stern look....then I reach out to shake his/her hand, break into a smile and thank him for hiring AMERCANS

Tokie

By AMERICANS you mean . . . .?

[Rob Lister]

Or is it a Virginia thing?

It's not just young kids either; I routinely see "older" people who don't exactly look professional, or act it. I don't expect sales clerks to wear a tux or be a ball of fire, but at least cover up those gross tattoos, don't advertise how half your body is pierced ie put away those ridiculous lip rings (or whatever), comb/brush your greasy friggin hair into some semblence of a style....ie pretend to be at least semi-professional. Also I'm sorry if you hate your job, but nobody forced you into it, you're getting paid, and oh btw it is a customer service-oriented job ...so if I have a question, I expect at least a semi-pleasant/polite attitude and an answer, or you finding the answer out in reasonably quick order.

Anyway just wondering.

Yea, don't blame the clerk, blame the manager and/or company. They set the standards or not.

vote with your wallet

[Starthinker]

Your stores still use clerks? Get with the times.

[JoeEllison]

By AMERICANS you mean . . . .?

Maybe they have American flags tattooed to their heads or something?

[steve s]

...don't advertise how half your body is pierced ie put away those ridiculous lip rings (or whatever),

Does Quizno's have a company policy that all employees must have a dozen piercings? I don't think I've ever seen a Quizno's employee who didn't have his/her eyebrow, nose, or lip pierced. I like their sandwiches, but I always wonder if the guy making my lunch has gotten hepatitis from all those piercings.

Steve S.

[bigred]

Yea, don't blame the clerk, blame the manager and/or company. They set the standards or not.

vote with your walleter if I "voted with my wallet" I couldn't buy much around here. It's not exactly isolated to one store.

I'm thinking more and more it is this area. Managers can only hire the best who apply within a given timeframe.


Your stores still use clerks? Get with the times.

:rolleyes: I give up, what's the PC name for them now


Does Quizno's have a company policy that all employees must have a dozen piercings? I don't think I've ever seen a Quizno's employee who didn't have his/her eyebrow, nose, or lip pierced. I like their sandwiches, but I always wonder if the guy making my lunch has gotten hepatitis from all those piercings.

While fast food itself is admittedly pretty nasty for the most part, the employees are Reason 1 why I almost never buy it anymore.

[fls]

By AMERICANS you mean . . . .?

I would guess 'white' and 'speaks without a foreign accent'. Conservatives are often portrayed as bigoted, so I think that is the impression Tokenconservative was going for this time.

Linda

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I would guess 'white' and 'speaks without a foreign accent'. Conservatives are often portrayed as bigoted, so I think that is the impression Tokenconservative was going for this time.

Linda

Why then I guess I half qualify, eh? :cool:

[fls]

Why then I guess I half qualify, eh? :cool:

You fully qualify. They'll just think you're from Minnesota.

Linda

[Checkmite]

The place where I work (a small computer/office supply store) has a dress code - black slacks, black shoes (real shoes, no tennis or athletic shoes) a long-sleeve uniform shirt, and hair above the collar. Nobody who works there has face shrapnel or visible tattoos.

[Tokenconservative]

By AMERICANS you mean . . . .?

Not sure what this howling hysteria means. You'll have to clarify your howling hysteria in the future.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

I would guess 'white' and 'speaks without a foreign accent'. Conservatives are often portrayed as bigoted, so I think that is the impression Tokenconservative was going for this time.

Linda

Oh...that's right, I forgot: having grown up with Americans of Hispanic heritage and seeing migrant workers from Mexico (mostly) all my life, I have no ability to tell the difference.

So I must be a RAAAACCCCCCIIIIISTTTTTTTTTT!!!!! when I go into a store or eatery around here and the only people there speaking English are the ones trying to convince the clerk that no, they are not ordering French dressing in their coffee and I recognize that fact.

Yep....that's me...a RAAAAACCCCIIIIIISSSSSTTTTTTTTT!!!


Say, just out of curiosity: when did Spanish become a race?

Tokie

[JoeEllison]

Not sure what this howling hysteria means. You'll have to clarify your howling hysteria in the future.

Tokie

Why are you misrepresenting a simple question as "howling hysteria"? Avoiding answering the question, right?

[Tokenconservative]

Why then I guess I half qualify, eh? :cool:

If you are from another country, whether it's Canada, or Mali, if you are here LEGALLY, fine.

If, like most fast-food and retail store employees of "Hispanic" origins who speak at most a dozen words of English, you are here as the vast majority of these people (yes, I said "these people") are, ILLEGALLY, then no....you don't qualify for anything.

The unfortunate truth is that in fact, illegals qualify for more bennies in the USofA than do legal residents and certainly citizens.

Tokie

[JoeEllison]

If you are from another country, whether it's Canada, or Mali, if you are here LEGALLY, fine.

If, like most fast-food and retail store employees of "Hispanic" origins who speak at most a dozen words of English, you are here as the vast majority of these people (yes, I said "these people") are, ILLEGALLY, then no....you don't qualify for anything.

The unfortunate truth is that in fact, illegals qualify for more bennies in the USofA than do legal residents and certainly citizens.

Tokie

So, you're off on another of your racist rants, backed by "facts" that aren't true. Wonderful.

[bluess]

I don't mind piercings or tatts, if the behavior is appropriate to the job. If you are working in a customer service industry, you need to be polite and helpful.

[Tokenconservative]

So, you're off on another of your racist rants, backed by "facts" that aren't true. Wonderful.

Hmmm...so let me see:

Do you disagree that people who are in this (or any) country without that country's permission are here (there) illegally?

Do you disagree that large numbers of people are in America illegally?

Do you disagree that large numbers of these people (if they are here) do not speak English?

Please...educate me? Which of these facts is wrong?


Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

I don't mind piercings or tatts, if the behavior is appropriate to the job. If you are working in a customer service industry, you need to be polite and helpful.

I don't generally have a problem with tats at all, and a couple or three piercings, meh.

But when you go into a Subway and the pimply-faced kid behind the counter has adde 10-12 lbs of steel to his already ravaged face, it sorta drains my appetite.

Tokie

[JoeEllison]

Can you be a little more creative with the racism? I think you should be racist against... hmmmm... Australians? Pretending that most Hispanics are illegal immigrants is a lie, and a pretty stupid one since it can be disproved by a simple Google search. Being a crybaby about Hispanics because you feel insecure about yourself is just sad.

[Wolfman]

God...I know I'm going to regret this, but...

...Tokie, you stated first that if you go to a store that has AMERICANS working in it, you will ask to see the manager, then express your gratitude that he hires AMERICANS.

When called on this, you state that you have no problem if people are here legally...that it is only illegal immigrants that concern you.

So my question is this. When you go into a store, how exactly do you identify if the people working there are AMERICANS? If most of them are Hispanic, or Chinese, or Korean...do you ask to see their ID in order to confirm that they are here legally?

Because, so far as I can tell, there are only two possible meanings when you say that you identify a store that hires AMERICANS:

1) That you specifically mean people who are obviously not immigrants (ie. speak standard American English)

2) That you mean anyone who is a legal immigrant, and therefore you somehow confirm their immigration status before rendering your judgment

Now, go ahead and call me silly, or naive, or presumptuous...but somehow, if you walk into a store that has mostly Hispanics working in it, somehow I do not believe that you check to see if they are legal immigrants (and therefore AMERICANS), or illegal. In fact, I rather suspect that even if I could prove to you with 100% certainty that all the workers in that store (be they Asian, or Hispanic, or any other group) were legal immigrants, all legal AMERICANS, that you still would not call the shop manager to express your gratitude for hiring AMERICANS.

Oh, I know...you're not racist, or bigoted, or anything like that. Just a proud AMERICAN.

Sadly, if the garbage you spout represents what being AMERICAN is...I'm afraid your country is in very, very serious trouble.

[SomeGuy]

I used to be in retail...

At least I cared enough about being service orientated that I lied through my teeth and regulary deceived customers.

Anything from keeping them waiting deliberately, so you could start the conversation with a heartfelt apology for the inconvenience of the wait. (People really liked that, took the edge of of more than one disgruntled customer) to "looking in the back to see if we have anymore", when you knew you didn't.

It's made me cynical enough to appreciate honest rudeness.

[H3LL]

...then I reach out to shake his/her hand, break into a smile and thank him for hiring AMERCANS

Tokie

Do you get a lot of Sandia, Clovis and Folsom working in your local shops?

Can they spell "Americans"?

.

[H3LL]

Do you disagree that large numbers of these people (if they are here) do not speak English?


Most Americans don't speak English.

I think Spanish is more common in places like Brazil but only one of the 300+ distinct languages and dialects in America.

English would seem to be in the minority.

So yes, you are correct "large numbers" do not speak English.

As a minority language speaker...What are you going to change to?

.

[H3LL]

On topic...

Travelling around several States I found the sales-people very polite and professional just about everywhere except New York City.

A most memorable example was an extremely cheerful, middle-aged toll-booth attendant.

That job must be one of the worst and she managed to put a smile on my face. I bet her day goes quicker than most in the same job.

I must admit that my bench-mark for judging US sales people is from what we have here in the UK.

Maybe it's just that we look at our local people with a more critical eye and if you look for fault...you will find it.

ETA: I do miss seeing sales staff fast asleep at lunch time. A very common sight in China. A crafty sales tactic as you feel guilty waking them up. :D

.
.

[Lothian]

I've taken to this approach involving another such issue: when I see AMERICANs working in a place, I demand, loudly, to speak with the manager...who typically is expecting some complaint when he first views my stern look....then I reach out to shake his/her hand, break into a smile and thank him for hiring AMERCANS
Seems rather convoluted. Wouldn’t it be simpler to wear a big badge saying “Wanker” ?

[fls]

Oh...that's right, I forgot: having grown up with Americans of Hispanic heritage and seeing migrant workers from Mexico (mostly) all my life, I have no ability to tell the difference.

So I must be a RAAAACCCCCCIIIIISTTTTTTTTTT!!!!! when I go into a store or eatery around here and the only people there speaking English are the ones trying to convince the clerk that no, they are not ordering French dressing in their coffee and I recognize that fact.

Yep....that's me...a RAAAAACCCCIIIIIISSSSSTTTTTTTTT!!!


Say, just out of curiosity: when did Spanish become a race?

Tokie

Yes, racism is also part of the stereotype. You didn't have to spell it out, though. The implied racism came through loud and clear on your prior posts. However, as I stated before, I don't think you're being fair with your parody on conservatives. I really don't think they're as bad as you make them out to be.

Linda

[bigred]

On topic...
Hey there's an idea, thx.

And to those of you who rant about someone's posts yet still respond/quote them, amazingly somehow not grasping that by doing so, you only feed the whole attention whore thing, once again: there is this thing called the ignore feature. cripes

[JoeEllison]

I think Spanish is more common in places like Brazil but only one of the 300+ distinct languages and dialects in America.

Not to be nitpicky, but the official language of Brazil is Portuguese, not Spanish. :D

[dannagain]

By AMERICANS you mean . . . .?

Yeah, what DO you mean by that exactly? WASPS? lol.


edit: Dam beaten to it.

"Originally Posted by JoeEllison
So, you're off on another of your racist rants, backed by "facts" that aren't true. Wonderful.
Hmmm...so let me see:

Do you disagree that people who are in this (or any) country without that country's permission are here (there) illegally?

Do you disagree that large numbers of people are in America illegally?

Do you disagree that large numbers of these people (if they are here) do not speak English?

Please...educate me? Which of these facts is wrong?"

I think the fact that is wrong is the one you mentioned in first post but then left out of this list above: Something about illegal immigrants being entitled to more benefits than US citizens?

[TheAnachronism]

It can't be denied that as a whole, teenagers make some of the worst people to be in customer-oriented positions. Perhaps it is just lack of experience in the job industry, but you would think that interacting with people in a positive and polite way wouldn't take too much experience.

When I got my first job when I was 16 (which I held for 3 years), I made it a point to actually talk to the customers, despite the fact that my job didn't really require it. Most of our patrons were regular customers, so I think it really impressed them that someone of my age was willing and able to interact in a polite way. And that's sad, because people really shouldn't be surprised by it, they should demand that to be the norm.

I'm not really sure what could be done about it, but teenage employees need to be taught right away what behavior is acceptable on the job, and it's up for the employers to enforce it.

(As much this post sounds like the rant of some 70 year-old, I'm 20.)

[dannagain]

Here it is:


The unfortunate truth is that in fact, illegals qualify for more bennies in the USofA than do legal residents and certainly citizens.

Tokie

This is pure bull faeces right?

[ImaginalDisc]

Here it is:

I see. If that is true it should be easy to list those wonderful benefits, and cite them.

[Spindrift]

Hmmm...so let me see:

Do you disagree that people who are in this (or any) country without that country's permission are here (there) illegally?

NO


Do you disagree that large numbers of people are in America illegally?


Define "large". That's a relative term.


Do you disagree that large numbers of these people (if they are here) do not speak English?


Define "large". That's a relative term.


Please...educate me? Which of these facts is wrong?
Tokie

There weren't any facts there, just questions.

Please give us your rationale for determining whether or not a Hispanic/Korean/Russian looking person is a legal resident?

Would you congratulate a manager of a store if Arnold Schwarzenegger, Albert Einstein and Yo-Yo Ma and Desi Arnaz were the employees?

[Tokenconservative]

Here it is:




This is pure bull faeces right?

Um...no...

Are you an American?

If so, you'd know that illegals pay virtually no taxes and that even when they do, it's estimated that for every $10k they put INTO the social system, they withdraw $30k (this works in Keynesian economics, but not in real economics).

Illegals get free medical here, too. Citizens and legal residents do not.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Do you get a lot of Sandia, Clovis and Folsom working in your local shops?

Can they spell "Americans"?

.

Can you spell "horse's arse"?

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Most Americans don't speak English.

I think Spanish is more common in places like Brazil but only one of the 300+ distinct languages and dialects in America.

English would seem to be in the minority.

So yes, you are correct "large numbers" do not speak English.

As a minority language speaker...What are you going to change to?

.

Most Brits seem to speak something else, too...and let's not even talk about Aussies and Kiwis...Canadians seem to do a good job of it...those that don't speak Frog, anyway.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Seems rather convoluted. Wouldn’t it be simpler to wear a big badge saying “Wanker” ?

Possibly, possibly...

Might I borrow yours?

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Yes, racism is also part of the stereotype. You didn't have to spell it out, though. The implied racism came through loud and clear on your prior posts. However, as I stated before, I don't think you're being fair with your parody on conservatives. I really don't think they're as bad as you make them out to be.

Linda

Why is it libs assume that everyone who is opposed to AMERCA being invaded by well, anyone...must be RAAAACCCIIIISTTTTTTTTT!!!?

Something genetic? A missing or perhaps extra gene?

Tokie

[fls]

Why is it libs assume that everyone who is opposed to AMERCA being invaded by well, anyone...must be RAAAACCCIIIISTTTTTTTTT!!!?

Something genetic? A missing or perhaps extra gene?

Tokie

Are you sure that conservatives are bad spellers? I thought that was supposed to be woos and CTers.

Linda

[ImaginalDisc]

Um...no...

Are you an American?

If so, you'd know that illegals pay virtually no taxes and that even when they do, it's estimated that for every $10k they put INTO the social system, they withdraw $30k (this works in Keynesian economics, but not in real economics).

Illegals get free medical here, too. Citizens and legal residents do not.

Tokie

Please find citations to support this assertion.

[Wolfman]

Gee...surprise, surprise! I posted a very simple, direct question, based directly on the statements that Tokie has made himself...yet in all his responses, he somehow managed to miss answering this one! I'm gonna' assume here that, rather than being a pathetic coward who won't answer it because he knows how much of an idiot it will make him look, it is because he somehow missed the post...so I'll post it again.
God...I know I'm going to regret this, but...

...Tokie, you stated first that if you go to a store that has AMERICANS working in it, you will ask to see the manager, then express your gratitude that he hires AMERICANS.

When called on this, you state that you have no problem if people are here legally...that it is only illegal immigrants that concern you.

So my question is this. When you go into a store, how exactly do you identify if the people working there are AMERICANS? If most of them are Hispanic, or Chinese, or Korean...do you ask to see their ID in order to confirm that they are here legally?

Because, so far as I can tell, there are only two possible meanings when you say that you identify a store that hires AMERICANS:

1) That you specifically mean people who are obviously not immigrants (ie. speak standard American English)

2) That you mean anyone who is a legal immigrant, and therefore you somehow confirm their immigration status before rendering your judgment

Now, go ahead and call me silly, or naive, or presumptuous...but somehow, if you walk into a store that has mostly Hispanics working in it, somehow I do not believe that you check to see if they are legal immigrants (and therefore AMERICANS), or illegal. In fact, I rather suspect that even if I could prove to you with 100% certainty that all the workers in that store (be they Asian, or Hispanic, or any other group) were legal immigrants, all legal AMERICANS, that you still would not call the shop manager to express your gratitude for hiring AMERICANS.

Oh, I know...you're not racist, or bigoted, or anything like that. Just a proud AMERICAN.

Sadly, if the garbage you spout represents what being AMERICAN is...I'm afraid your country is in very, very serious trouble.

[Tokenconservative]

NO



Define "large". That's a relative term.



Define "large". That's a relative term.



There weren't any facts there, just questions.

Please give us your rationale for determining whether or not a Hispanic/Korean/Russian looking person is a legal resident?

Would you congratulate a manager of a store if Arnold Schwarzenegger, Albert Einstein and Yo-Yo Ma and Desi Arnaz were the employees?

My good but I do love a good pedant!

The questions imply the facts. That's a very simple debating tactic...sorry it defeated you.

Let's try it again:

"Large" is a relative term. There are and estimated 12 (minimum) to 30-40 million illegal "immigrants" currently living and working in the USofA. You, being a lib will now shriek "we are ALLLLLL IIIIMMMMIIIGGGRAAAANNNTSSSS!!!!" and demand that I define "illegal."

I'll let you work that term out on your own and wish you the best of luck.

"Large" is again a relative term. I have no idea how the numbers break down, regarding language, because of course you really can't GET numbers on such things. Suffice it to say that a MAJORITY of the 30-40 (a more likely number) illegal immigrants currently here (USofA) speak little to no English. Yes, "little" is also a relative term that you'll just have to put your thinking cap on to figger out.

I live in a place where Spanish surnames are common and have been for 500+ years. I live in a place where migrant workers from Mexico and Latin America have also been common since at least the 1930s.

I know what my neighbors who are Hispanic-AMERCAN citizens look and act and speak like. I know what people who are recent arrivals from Mexico and Latin AMERCA look, act and speak like.

I can discern the differences and draw rational conclusions to wit: the guy in Western style boots, shirt and belt who speaks not a word of English and is watching Futbol on his TV from a satellite feed, and has a Ford pick-up with Frontera Chiuaua plates and three bumper stickers advertising a Mexican radio station in the driveway of his rental house as compared to one of my neighbors who watches football and has a Lexus parked in his driveway with a Bush/Cheney sticker on it and dresses the same way as me, only not quite so attractively, is an AMERCAN.

The other guy is probably not. And given the HUGE (relative term, I know) population of illegal aliens in AMERCA, many of whom (about 300,000 estimated, or 1/6 of the legal pop. of my state) live around me, I know whereof I speak, and not being a liberal I don't have to be careful about it, either.

In short, as I am not driven by my need to maintain PC...ocity, I can say: hey...that guy who looks, acts, speaks, etc. like he just swam the river...prolly did!

See?

Being conservative is marvelously liberating.

Being liberal...gotta be hard.

Tokie

[Lothian]

Possibly, possibly...

Might I borrow yours?

TokieNo I use it too much.

[Tokenconservative]

Gee...surprise, surprise! I posted a very simple, direct question, based directly on the statements that Tokie has made himself...yet in all his responses, he somehow managed to miss answering this one! I'm gonna' assume here that, rather than being a pathetic coward who won't answer it because he knows how much of an idiot it will make him look, it is because he somehow missed the post...so I'll post it again.

You need to post it so I can more easily quote it.

And we've established that I am not an American, but rather an AMERCAN!!!

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

No I use it too much.

Hmm...yes, yes...I can certainly see your point there.

[ImaginalDisc]

I live in a place where Spanish surnames are common and have been for 500+ years. I live in a place where migrant workers from Mexico and Latin America have also been common since at least the 1930s.

I know what my neighbors who are Hispanic-AMERCAN citizens look and act and speak like. I know what people who are recent arrivals from Mexico and Latin AMERCA look, act and speak like.

I can discern the differences and draw rational conclusions to wit: the guy in Western style boots, shirt and belt who speaks not a word of English and is watching Futbol on his TV from a satellite feed, and has a Ford pick-up with Frontera Chiuaua plates and three bumper stickers advertising a Mexican radio station in the driveway of his rental house as compared to one of my neighbors who watches football and has a Lexus parked in his driveway with a Bush/Cheney sticker on it and dresses the same way as me, only not quite so attractively, is an AMERCAN.

The other guy is probably not. And given the HUGE (relative term, I know) population of illegal aliens in AMERCA, many of whom (about 300,000 estimated, or 1/6 of the legal pop. of my state) live around me, I know whereof I speak, and not being a liberal I don't have to be careful about it, either.


An amazing power, making you worthy of entry into the Justice League. Could you perhaps have that ability tested? La Migra would jump for joy to have your 'illegal' detecting ability.

[Tokenconservative]

Please find citations to support this assertion.

You know, ID....I never supplied links--LIIIIINNNNKKKKSSSSSSSS!!!! in that other forum we used to cross swords (well, I offered a sword, you usually just scream for links--LIIIINNNNKKKKKSSSSSSS!!!) and I ain' a gonna start doing it now.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

An amazing power, making you worthy of entry into the Justice League. Could you perhaps have that ability tested? La Migra would jump for joy to have your 'illegal' detecting ability.

I prefer to be a Super Best Friend, actually.

I can spot a Gooback from 250 yards...without a scope.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Are you sure that conservatives are bad spellers? I thought that was supposed to be woos and CTers.

Linda

I don't know about other conservatives...but THIS conservative is a turribal speler

Tokie

[ImaginalDisc]

You know, ID....I never supplied links--LIIIIINNNNKKKKSSSSSSSS!!!! in that other forum we used to cross swords (well, I offered a sword, you usually just scream for links--LIIIINNNNKKKKKSSSSSSS!!!) and I ain' a gonna start doing it now.

Tokie

So admit that you have no interest in whether or not what you say is true.

I prefer to be a Super Best Friend, actually.

I can spot a Gooback from 250 yards...without a scope.

Tokie

Gooback.

I can't call you a nimrod, but you can call millions of people "Goobacks," and claim they're all so alike that you can spot them with perfect accuracy.

TANJ.

[Lothian]

Hmm...yes, yes...I can certainly see your point there.Good, you are supposed to. I choose quite deliberately to be a wanker at times, in contrast I don’t think you can help yourself, it appears to be part of your character.

[Tokenconservative]

So admit that you have no interest in whether or not what you say is true.

Gooback.

I can't call you a nimrod, but you can call millions of people "Goobacks," and claim they're all so alike that you can spot them with perfect accuracy.

TANJ.

You are also a cultural wasteland...you don't know what a gooback is. Tsk.

You can call me a nimrod if you want. Why would I care what you think of me, though?

Tokie

[ImaginalDisc]

You are also a cultural wasteland...you don't know what a gooback is. Tsk.

You can call me a nimrod if you want. Why would I care what you think of me, though?

Tokie

Whatever it is supposed to to mean, "gooback" is such an obscure neologism that a google search for its definition returns this very page as the tenth result. (http://www.google.com/search?q=gooback+definition&btnG=Search&hl=en&safe=active&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS235US235)

[Tokenconservative]

Whatever it is supposed to to mean, "gooback" is such an obscure neologism that a google search for its definition returns this very page as the tenth result. (http://www.google.com/search?q=gooback+definition&btnG=Search&hl=en&safe=active&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS235US235)

Hmmm...you know I don't access links supplied by even people I might generally trust in these forums...and you suppose I might access one provided by a liberal um, why exactly?

Tokie

[ImaginalDisc]

Hmmm...you know I don't access links supplied by even people I might generally trust in these forums...and you suppose I might access one provided by a liberal um, why exactly?

Tokie

I don't give a damn.

[Tokenconservative]

I don't give a damn.

Hmm....and yet for some reason you believe _I_ should give a damn about your links--LIIIINNKKKKSSSSSSS!!!!/

Narcisism, anyone?

Tokie

[Spindrift]

My good but I do love a good pedant!

The questions imply the facts. That's a very simple debating tactic...sorry it defeated you.

Let's try it again:

"Large" is a relative term. There are and estimated 12 (minimum) to 30-40 million illegal "immigrants" currently living and working in the USofA. You, being a lib will now shriek "we are ALLLLLL IIIIMMMMIIIGGGRAAAANNNTSSSS!!!!" and demand that I define "illegal."

I'll let you work that term out on your own and wish you the best of luck.

"Large" is again a relative term. I have no idea how the numbers break down, regarding language, because of course you really can't GET numbers on such things. Suffice it to say that a MAJORITY of the 30-40 (a more likely number) illegal immigrants currently here (USofA) speak little to no English. Yes, "little" is also a relative term that you'll just have to put your thinking cap on to figger out.

I live in a place where Spanish surnames are common and have been for 500+ years. I live in a place where migrant workers from Mexico and Latin America have also been common since at least the 1930s.

I know what my neighbors who are Hispanic-AMERCAN citizens look and act and speak like. I know what people who are recent arrivals from Mexico and Latin AMERCA look, act and speak like.

I can discern the differences and draw rational conclusions to wit: the guy in Western style boots, shirt and belt who speaks not a word of English and is watching Futbol on his TV from a satellite feed, and has a Ford pick-up with Frontera Chiuaua plates and three bumper stickers advertising a Mexican radio station in the driveway of his rental house as compared to one of my neighbors who watches football and has a Lexus parked in his driveway with a Bush/Cheney sticker on it and dresses the same way as me, only not quite so attractively, is an AMERCAN.

The other guy is probably not. And given the HUGE (relative term, I know) population of illegal aliens in AMERCA, many of whom (about 300,000 estimated, or 1/6 of the legal pop. of my state) live around me, I know whereof I speak, and not being a liberal I don't have to be careful about it, either.

In short, as I am not driven by my need to maintain PC...ocity, I can say: hey...that guy who looks, acts, speaks, etc. like he just swam the river...prolly did!

See?

Being conservative is marvelously liberating.

Being liberal...gotta be hard.

Tokie

Asking for clarification of terms is a very simple debate tactic... sorry it defeated you.

And now that you have clarified the terms, I would agree with both your statements.

However that has nothing to do with your ability to determine immigration status by sight.

Do the workers in the store bring their cars inside so you figure out whether or not they are legal immigrants? Otherwise how are you going to see their bumper stickers?

Conservatism is certainly liberating, you don't have to bother determining what is or isn't true before passing judgement. Really is a time saver there.

[JonnyFive]

Hmmm...you know I don't access links supplied by even people I might generally trust in these forums...and you suppose I might access one provided by a liberal um, why exactly?

You do know that if you hold the mouse cursor over the link, the status bar will display the URL the link points to without your having to click it, right?

Alternatively, you could simply right click and select "properties" to see the URL it points to.

[ImaginalDisc]

Hmm....and yet for some reason you believe _I_ should give a damn about your links--LIIIINNKKKKSSSSSSS!!!!/

Narcisism, anyone?

Tokie

I have no hope that I can disabuse a bigoted monomaniacal troglodyte such as yourself of the notion that you can say anything you like regardless of whether or not it has any basis in fact and have it regarded as conversation, rather than a belch. Refuting your positions is its own reward.

[Spindrift]

You do know that if you hold the mouse cursor over the link, the status bar will display the URL the link points to without your having to click it, right?

Alternatively, you could simply right click and select "properties" to see the URL it points to.

That would require investigation and being a stalwart conservative, he can't have any of that because it might disprove his assumption.

[bigred]

It can't be denied that as a whole, teenagers make some of the worst people to be in customer-oriented positions. Perhaps it is just lack of experience in the job industry, but you would think that interacting with people in a positive and polite way wouldn't take too much experience. It doesn't. It's not about experience. It's all about attitude and maturity, something which teenagers tend to be short on to varying degrees (PS understandable to an extent though - I mean cmon they're teenagers).

[fls]

I don't know about other conservatives...but THIS conservative is a turribal speler

Tokie

I suppose you're right. No point in covering the same ground as Stephen Colbert.

Linda

[Tokenconservative]

Asking for clarification of terms is a very simple debate tactic... sorry it defeated you.

And now that you have clarified the terms, I would agree with both your statements.

However that has nothing to do with your ability to determine immigration status by sight.

Do the workers in the store bring their cars inside so you figure out whether or not they are legal immigrants? Otherwise how are you going to see their bumper stickers?

Conservatism is certainly liberating, you don't have to bother determining what is or isn't true before passing judgement. Really is a time saver there.

That IS a big time saver!

Not nearly as much time is saved by me, as is by a lib tho...you don't have to do any thinking at all. Just getcher marching orders every morning and you know what to think, huh?

For example: we all know that the leftist leadership has declared that anyone who has an expressed interest in securing our nation's borders is a RAAAACCCCIIIISTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!! so you just have to parrot that and yer good to go!

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

I suppose you're right. No point in covering the same ground as Stephen Colbert.

Linda

I actually have no idea in hell who Stephen Colbert is..I assume he's some very urbane Al Franken-type drone running around shrieking "funnily" how con-sar-vay-tive is "stoopid, ig'nant, un-ed-jamikated, un-so-fist-eye-kated, backwoods, redneck, racist, sexist, xeno- and homo'phobic' warmongering chickenhawk haters" like (yawn) every other shrieking lefty who can't come up with any fresh material....

And so he is your god.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

That would require investigation and being a stalwart conservative, he can't have any of that because it might disprove his assumption.

Yeah....I could do all that, sure.

Could do lots of things. Could stand I my head right now if'n I din't want my lucky rabbit's foot to fall outten the pocket a my Carharts....I could!

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

I have no hope that I can disabuse a bigoted monomaniacal troglodyte such as yourself of the notion that you can say anything you like regardless of whether or not it has any basis in fact and have it regarded as conversation, rather than a belch. Refuting your positions is its own reward.


Hmmm....mighty slim pickins in thet thar "REwards" department, eh?

And so close to X-mas, too!

Tokie

[Gnu Ordure]

Token said :

For example: we all know that the leftist leadership has declared that anyone who has an expressed interest in securing our nation's borders is a RAAAACCCCIIIISTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!! so you just have to parrot that and yer good to go!


People don't call you a racist because you're concerned about immigration, Token, it's because you say stuff like this :

Here's an idea for foreigners coming here: learn OUR ways and pull your heads out of your parochial, bigoted behinds...



Token, have you ever been to a foreign country ?



Gnu.

[bigred]

Well I'm glad we're doing such a great job of staying on topic :rolleyes: FYI TC is making fools of many of you w/all the trolling.

I wish you could delete threads you start.

[fls]

I actually have no idea in hell who Stephen Colbert is..I assume he's some very urbane Al Franken-type drone running around shrieking "funnily" how con-sar-vay-tive is "stoopid, ig'nant, un-ed-jamikated, un-so-fist-eye-kated, backwoods, redneck, racist, sexist, xeno- and homo'phobic' warmongering chickenhawk haters" like (yawn) every other shrieking lefty who can't come up with any fresh material....

Not at all. He is a very articulate and polished conservative, in the style of Bill O'Reilly. Despite your concerted effort to make us think otherwise, not all conservatives are backwood rednecks, ya know.

And so he is your god.

Tokie

I don't have any gods. I tried, but I had to give it up.

Linda

[Tokenconservative]

Token said :


People don't call you a racist because you're concerned about immigration, Token, it's because you say stuff like this :


Token, have you ever been to a foreign country ?

Gnu.

First, why are so many people from that other forum following me here?

Second, yeah...Texas a few times

Why?

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Not at all. He is a very articulate and polished conservative, in the style of Bill O'Reilly. Despite your concerted effort to make us think otherwise, not all conservatives are backwood rednecks, ya know.

I don't have any gods. I tried, but I had to give it up.

Linda

It's my understanding he's a lib playing at being a conservative.

It's nice to see that you can walk into a trap like that, tho.

Tokie

[fls]

It's my understanding he's a lib playing at being a conservative.

Yes.

It's nice to see that you can walk into a trap like that, tho.

Tokie

What trap?

Linda

[Gnu Ordure]

Well I'm glad we're doing such a great job of staying on topic FYI TC is making fools of many of you w/all the trolling.

Sorry, Bigred.

But you'll notice that your thread was infected by the TokenC virus almost immediately. This usually implies a very poor prognosis for survival.

As regards your OP, it raises the question of to what extent an employer can legally control the physical appearance of an employee.

And I suppose that correlates to how important appearances are (and to what extent the employee is in the public eye).

don't advertise how half your body is pierced ie put away those ridiculous lip rings (or whatever), comb/brush your greasy friggin hair into some semblence of a style....ie pretend to be at least semi-professional.


So in this case, it's a professional decision by the management that they're happy for their front-line staff to have piercings and 'individual' hair-styles, as long as they do their job properly...

Good for them, I say, but I appreciate you feel otherwise.

Gnu.

[Spindrift]

That IS a big time saver!

Not nearly as much time is saved by me, as is by a lib tho...you don't have to do any thinking at all. Just getcher marching orders every morning and you know what to think, huh?

For example: we all know that the leftist leadership has declared that anyone who has an expressed interest in securing our nation's borders is a RAAAACCCCIIIISTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!! so you just have to parrot that and yer good to go!

Tokie

Even more time saving by totally avoiding answering any questions.

Where did I ever say anything about not wanting to secure our borders? There you go again, jumping to conclusions without any evidence. At least you are a consistent conservative. Consistently wrong, but consistent nonetheless.

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Okay, this thread is so hopelessly off-topic that it's not worth splitting away the detritus. Bigred, please start another thread with your original OP. I will monitor it and catch the off-topic junk as soon as it starts. Sorry to make you do that.

[dannagain]

It's my understanding he's a lib playing at being a conservative.

It's nice to see that you can walk into a trap like that, tho.

Tokie



Right so you were lying when you said you had no idea who he was then.
What is it with republicans and lying? You guys love it!

[Tanstaafl]

Being conservative is marvelously liberating.

Indeed! You don't have to think!


Being liberal...gotta be hard.

Tokie

Thinking's not that hard once you get used to it. You should try it.

[Tokenconservative]

Right so you were lying when you said you had no idea who he was then.
What is it with republicans and lying? You guys love it!

Leading a lib up to a trap and pushing him/her/other in is not lying.

It's just good fun.

I was pretty sure SHE was lying, and was just playing along...when it became evident to me she actually does not know that this moron is a lib PLAYING the part of a "con-sar-vay-teeve" as defined by lefties like you, I laughed at her, sure...but admitted that yeah, I know who the guy is.

Funny...you are not calling HER a liar.

So you must be agreeing with me that she has to be about the stupidest, most ignorant person in here...wait for it..."no! That'd be YOU, Tokie!!!"

Can I calls 'em or what, folks?

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Indeed! You don't have to think!


Thinking's not that hard once you get used to it. You should try it.

No, no...don't mean the thinking part, tho yeah...that's gotta put a damper on a libs day, too...given as how thinking requires a brain.

I was talking about the prezelized "logic" libs gotta use to tell themselves things like "we are TOO loyal Americans...we just hate America and everything in her history!!!" and stuff like, "the economy is doomed--DOOOMED!!--and greater spending and travel this Thanksgiving PROOOOVEESSS it cuz um...people knows it's TEOTWAWKI, and they are spending before they die!!!"

I look at "thinking" like that (SOP/Liberal) and say to myself: my dog can figure out how to walk around a chair that's between her and a snack I tossed on the floor, but a lib can't figure out how to do that.

Tokie

[fls]

Leading a lib up to a trap and pushing him/her/other in is not lying.

It's just good fun.

I was pretty sure SHE was lying, and was just playing along...when it became evident to me she actually does not know that this moron is a lib PLAYING the part of a "con-sar-vay-teeve" as defined by lefties like you, I laughed at her, sure...but admitted that yeah, I know who the guy is.

Funny...you are not calling HER a liar.

So you must be agreeing with me that she has to be about the stupidest, most ignorant person in here...wait for it..."no! That'd be YOU, Tokie!!!"

Can I calls 'em or what, folks?

Tokie

I told you several times, prior to making reference to Stephen Colbert, that I think you are playing at portraying a stereotypical conservative and that you are purposely portraying him as particularly horrid. I suspect you are doing so either because that is what you actually think of conservatives or because that is what you think others think of conservatives (I ran with the former).

I was trying to say that you are wrong in either case. First, by pointing out that conservatives aren't as bad as you think. I know plenty of tolerant, well-educated, rational conservatives. My husband, for example, is about the most non-racist, non-homophobic person you are likely to encounter (please, no True Scotsman arguments to counteract my example). And second by pointing out that many liberals can't think that conservatives are ignorant, uneducated, backwoods rednecks, since Stephen Colbert's character, who is none of those things, is a favourite among liberals. And humour doesn't work unless there's a perception of truth to it.

What part of that do you think is a lie? Where did I say that I thought Stephen Colbert was really a conservative, not just playing a conservative? What is this trap you keep referring to?

I realize that I may be wrong - that you are not playing up the conservative stereotypes in order to yank our chain. But I sincerely do not think you are as awful as you are trying to make yourself out to be. If I am wrong about this, I will be disappointed. But it will be an error in my judgement, not a lie.

Linda

[Tokenconservative]

I told you several times, prior to making reference to Stephen Colbert, that I think you are playing at portraying a stereotypical conservative and that you are purposely portraying him as particularly horrid. I suspect you are doing so either because that is what you actually think of conservatives or because that is what you think others think of conservatives (I ran with the former).

I was trying to say that you are wrong in either case. First, by pointing out that conservatives aren't as bad as you think. I know plenty of tolerant, well-educated, rational conservatives. My husband, for example, is about the most non-racist, non-homophobic person you are likely to encounter (please, no True Scotsman arguments to counteract my example). And second by pointing out that many liberals can't think that conservatives are ignorant, uneducated, backwoods rednecks, since Stephen Colbert's character, who is none of those things, is a favourite among liberals. And humour doesn't work unless there's a perception of truth to it.

What part of that do you think is a lie? Where did I say that I thought Stephen Colbert was really a conservative, not just playing a conservative? What is this trap you keep referring to?

I realize that I may be wrong - that you are not playing up the conservative stereotypes in order to yank our chain. But I sincerely do not think you are as awful as you are trying to make yourself out to be. If I am wrong about this, I will be disappointed. But it will be an error in my judgement, not a lie.

Linda

Hmmm....I see.

And tell us, Linda...you're not playing at being woefully ignorant...that's the real you, huh?

Tokie

[fls]

I realize that I may be wrong - that you are not playing up the conservative stereotypes in order to yank our chain. But I sincerely do not think you are as awful as you are trying to make yourself out to be. If I am wrong about this, I will be disappointed. But it will be an error in my judgement, not a lie.

Linda

Hmmm....I see.

And tell us, Linda...you're not playing at being woefully ignorant...that's the real you, huh?

Tokie

I was just about to add to my post that if you wish to call me ignorant and stupid for making this judgement, I will accept that. I fully realize that my optimism is often not supported by evidence.

Linda

[Tokenconservative]

I told you several times, prior to making reference to Stephen Colbert, that I think you are playing at portraying a stereotypical conservative and that you are purposely portraying him as particularly horrid. I suspect you are doing so either because that is what you actually think of conservatives or because that is what you think others think of conservatives (I ran with the former).

I was trying to say that you are wrong in either case. First, by pointing out that conservatives aren't as bad as you think. I know plenty of tolerant, well-educated, rational conservatives. My husband, for example, is about the most non-racist, non-homophobic person you are likely to encounter (please, no True Scotsman arguments to counteract my example). And second by pointing out that many liberals can't think that conservatives are ignorant, uneducated, backwoods rednecks, since Stephen Colbert's character, who is none of those things, is a favourite among liberals. And humour doesn't work unless there's a perception of truth to it.

What part of that do you think is a lie? Where did I say that I thought Stephen Colbert was really a conservative, not just playing a conservative? What is this trap you keep referring to?

I realize that I may be wrong - that you are not playing up the conservative stereotypes in order to yank our chain. But I sincerely do not think you are as awful as you are trying to make yourself out to be. If I am wrong about this, I will be disappointed. But it will be an error in my judgement, not a lie.

Linda

Now that I have time...let's take a look at this, bit by bit.

1. So...you don't--or didn't--know that Colbert is an arch-libearal in the Maher mold playing at being a conservative, by showing everyone who watches liberal TV what a "real" conservative is like.

2. Wait...what?
A. It's not I who believes conservatives are "bad." Real conservatives (not like say, Bush or that crowd...socialists--maybe even fascists--who fooled us into believing they were something else) have no interest in enslaving Americans, for example, whereas liberals think is well past the time that should've been done. Conservative Americans don't hate their country or their culture. Liberals do. See the difference?
B. I am not very well-educated. So...that means I MUST be a racist, sexist, homo'phobic', xenophobic, backwoods, redneck chickenhawh warmongering hater...unlike your husband who is one of the "good" con-sar-vay-tives. Ah.
C. Humor: so when I (as a racist redneck) make a joke about African-Americans liking watermelon and fried chicken, it's funny because well....hey, they are people and SOME people do like watermelon and SOME do like fried chicken (I happen to love both) well then, sure....that's a funny joke!

3. You don't understand humor. It's not "funny" for a liberal (not universally funny, anyway) to "portray" an "conservative" as Colbert does, because it is a stereotypical portrayal and has nothing to do with reality. For example: jokes about hunting with Cheney ARE funny. Even Bush makes them. But tell me is it "funny" when someone portrays YOU as a Birkinstock-clad, smelly, unkempt hippie/hippie wannabe (in case you are too young) who lives off a trust fund or inheritance stipend spends thost days you aren't at the Starbuck's all day nursing a soy latte with extra no-fat/not cruelty soy foam with cinimon sprinkles, while using your laptop to surf the web and find things to protest, who sends her own kids to a tony private school while admonishing others to "support the local private schools!" finding every possible loophole to protect her trustfund or inheritance stipend while supporting raising those on "rich" people, has a 4200 sq. ft. home for her family of 4 and drives a Suburban to and from the supermarket while admonishing me for driving my "gaz guzzling, Global Warming-machine" pickup.


4. It's pretty clear you had no idea Colbert was a liberal playing a stereotypical conservative. You can now back-pedal all you want, hoping to save face and not look like the ig'nant rube you are saying I am, but it is what it is.

5. Thanks for that free, internet psychoanalysis...I always find those to be worth at least twice the price! I am not trying to make you think I am "awful." I honestly, sincerly don't give a flying nake mole rat's behind what you think of me, Linda. I really, truly do not. Your PERCEPTION of me is what it is because your perceptions are so canted to the left, you view me as "awful" primarily because I am shining a strong light on your leftist perspectives and showing you how foolish, dishonest and even dangerous they are. You don't like that, so you project onto me the "awfulness" of what it is to be a "conservative" like me, by responding to me over and over and over only to say "golly! You MUST be a Colbert-type character, because why...just NOBODY could really be this...awful!"

Wrong, Linda. I really AM this "awful." As a lefty, "awful" to you is believing that anyone who believes we have borders for a reason is a racist; that anyone who holds that we should do as our Constitution demands, and protect America and American interests both at home and abroad is both a xenophobe and a warmonger and that anyone who points up that ONE side of the political divide in America is categorically opposed to protecting America either from a peaceful or violent invasion, and that ONE side is categorically opposed to following the Constitution, feeling that we should look to "foreign law" instead, and that ONE side believes that on balance, and comparatively, America has done far more bad in the world than good, should first, be silenced, and second is "awful."

Fine. I am glad I'm "awful."

Now, go tell hubby to grow a pair, stand up to you like a man and join me in being "awful" before you and your kind enslave his children.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

I was just about to add to my post that if you wish to call me ignorant and stupid for making this judgement, I will accept that. I fully realize that my optimism is often not supported by evidence.

Linda

I thought you just dun tolded me how unedjamahkeated I wuz?

Ignorance and stupidity are not the same things.

Tokie

[ImaginalDisc]

I thought you just dun tolded me how unedjamahkeated I wuz?

Ignorance and stupidity are not the same things.

Tokie

In some chronic cases, they are comorbid.

[fls]

Now that I have time...let's take a look at this, bit by bit.

1. So...you don't--or didn't--know that Colbert is an arch-libearal in the Maher mold playing at being a conservative, by showing everyone who watches liberal TV what a "real" conservative is like.

Really. You have to drop this. Every step of the way I told you that I knew he was pretending. You really have to stop clinging to this idea. It's starting to make you look silly.

2. Wait...what?
A. It's not I who believes conservatives are "bad." Real conservatives (not like say, Bush or that crowd...socialists--maybe even fascists--who fooled us into believing they were something else) have no interest in enslaving Americans, for example, whereas liberals think is well past the time that should've been done. Conservative Americans don't hate their country or their culture. Liberals do. See the difference?

Yes. I have lived in the US for a few years now, and even though I don't watch much TV (or listen to the radio very often), I have had enough exposure to have a fairly good handle on the strawmen. However, I admit that it's possible I would fail a test if I had to assign novel characteristics/ideas to the stereotypes, though.

B. I am not very well-educated. So...that means I MUST be a racist, sexist, homo'phobic', xenophobic, backwoods, redneck chickenhawh warmongering hater...unlike your husband who is one of the "good" con-sar-vay-tives. Ah.

Well...if you say so....

C. Humor: so when I (as a racist redneck) make a joke about African-Americans liking watermelon and fried chicken, it's funny because well....hey, they are people and SOME people do like watermelon and SOME do like fried chicken (I happen to love both) well then, sure....that's a funny joke!

Presumably...assuming you have a modicum of talent when it comes to delivery.

3. You don't understand humor. It's not "funny" for a liberal (not universally funny, anyway) to "portray" an "conservative" as Colbert does, because it is a stereotypical portrayal and has nothing to do with reality.

I don't understand this part. I was always under the impression that stereotypes have something to do with reality, no?

For example: jokes about hunting with Cheney ARE funny. Even Bush makes them. But tell me is it "funny" when someone portrays YOU as a Birkinstock-clad, smelly, unkempt hippie/hippie wannabe (in case you are too young) who lives off a trust fund or inheritance stipend spends thost days you aren't at the Starbuck's all day nursing a soy latte with extra no-fat/not cruelty soy foam with cinimon sprinkles, while using your laptop to surf the web and find things to protest, who sends her own kids to a tony private school while admonishing others to "support the local private schools!" finding every possible loophole to protect her trustfund or inheritance stipend while supporting raising those on "rich" people, has a 4200 sq. ft. home for her family of 4 and drives a Suburban to and from the supermarket while admonishing me for driving my "gaz guzzling, Global Warming-machine" pickup.

No, but only because not even one of those things is true, or even close (okay, it's true that I'm not old enough to have been a hippie). You need to tap into something familiar in order for me to follow you to the point of absurdity. Then I'll laugh.

(Actually, I laughed anyways, picturing the look on my sister's face if I told her I ordered a "soy latte with extra no-fat/not cruelty soy foam with Cinnamon sprinkles". That was a good one.)

4. It's pretty clear you had no idea Colbert was a liberal playing a stereotypical conservative. You can now back-pedal all you want, hoping to save face and not look like the ig'nant rube you are saying I am, but it is what it is.

Why is this important to you? I'm not going to lie to you and tell you that I didn't know, just to make you feel better. But if there is some other way that I can persuade you that it doesn't matter (my point was meant to stand regardless of whether or not you or anyone one else was ignorant of his pretense), consider it done.

5. Thanks for that free, internet psychoanalysis...I always find those to be worth at least twice the price! I am not trying to make you think I am "awful." I honestly, sincerly don't give a flying nake mole rat's behind what you think of me, Linda. I really, truly do not. Your PERCEPTION of me is what it is because your perceptions are so canted to the left, you view me as "awful" primarily because I am shining a strong light on your leftist perspectives and showing you how foolish, dishonest and even dangerous they are. You don't like that, so you project onto me the "awfulness" of what it is to be a "conservative" like me, by responding to me over and over and over only to say "golly! You MUST be a Colbert-type character, because why...just NOBODY could really be this...awful!"

Wrong, Linda. I really AM this "awful." As a lefty, "awful" to you is believing that anyone who believes we have borders for a reason is a racist; that anyone who holds that we should do as our Constitution demands, and protect America and American interests both at home and abroad is both a xenophobe and a warmonger and that anyone who points up that ONE side of the political divide in America is categorically opposed to protecting America either from a peaceful or violent invasion, and that ONE side is categorically opposed to following the Constitution, feeling that we should look to "foreign law" instead, and that ONE side believes that on balance, and comparatively, America has done far more bad in the world than good, should first, be silenced, and second is "awful."

Fine. I am glad I'm "awful."

I'm impressed that you can say all that with a straight face. I'm afraid it still makes me succumb to a fit of the giggles and I apologize for thinking that was your intention. My only consolation is that I figured you wouldn't care about my opinion if it turned out I was wrong (thanks for confirming that for me).

Now, go tell hubby to grow a pair, stand up to you like a man and join me in being "awful" before you and your kind enslave his children.

Tokie

Surely you must suspect that it is too late?

Linda

[fls]

Ignorance and stupidity are not the same things.

Tokie

Of course not. Otherwise it would be redundant to list both.

Linda

[JoeTheJuggler]

The unfortunate truth is that in fact, illegals qualify for more bennies in the USofA than do legal residents and certainly citizens.


There's no way that could possibly be true.

[Tokenconservative]

Really. You have to drop this. Every step of the way I told you that I knew he was pretending. You really have to stop clinging to this idea. It's starting to make you look silly.

Yes. I have lived in the US for a few years now, and even though I don't watch much TV (or listen to the radio very often), I have had enough exposure to have a fairly good handle on the strawmen. However, I admit that it's possible I would fail a test if I had to assign novel characteristics/ideas to the stereotypes, though.

Well...if you say so....

Presumably...assuming you have a modicum of talent when it comes to delivery.

I don't understand this part. I was always under the impression that stereotypes have something to do with reality, no?

No, but only because not even one of those things is true, or even close (okay, it's true that I'm not old enough to have been a hippie). You need to tap into something familiar in order for me to follow you to the point of absurdity. Then I'll laugh.

(Actually, I laughed anyways, picturing the look on my sister's face if I told her I ordered a "soy latte with extra no-fat/not cruelty soy foam with Cinnamon sprinkles". That was a good one.)

Why is this important to you? I'm not going to lie to you and tell you that I didn't know, just to make you feel better. But if there is some other way that I can persuade you that it doesn't matter (my point was meant to stand regardless of whether or not you or anyone one else was ignorant of his pretense), consider it done.

I'm impressed that you can say all that with a straight face. I'm afraid it still makes me succumb to a fit of the giggles and I apologize for thinking that was your intention. My only consolation is that I figured you wouldn't care about my opinion if it turned out I was wrong (thanks for confirming that for me).

Surely you must suspect that it is too late?

Linda

1. At first I figgered you did..then you said that you did not. So I figgered I was wrong and you were not lying. I guess I was wrong.

2. Ah, so you get all your "news" from leftist interenet forums like this one, or left-advocacy print media. Good work! Nothing quite like looking only to those who will prop up your views to get your views um...propped up!

3. Stereotypes are based in reality. But for some reason in the US, today, if I characterize a black man as loving fried chicken and watermelon, that will get me a visit from the Rev. Al Sharpton and his megaphone and Jesse, with his hand out. If, howsoever, I characterize a "conservative" (as you do) as "stoopid, ig'nant, un-so-fist-eye-kated, backwoods, redneck, racist, sexist homo'phobic', xenophobic and a warmongering chickenhawk hater" that's NOT a stereotype...it's a DEFINITION.
Moreover, if I characterize a lib as a latte-sucking PC-spewing, "tax the rich!" (but not my trust) trustfunder who cannot seem to tell the truth, that's viewed as wholly inaccurate despite the fact that in order to be a lib you must be all of these things.

4. No, what I suspect is that you identify your hubby as a "conservative" because to you that means "right of Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn." You have never encountered a real conservative (libs tend to cloister themselves so that they run little risk of having their views tested) and so you think that because your husband likes Lieberman, that makes him an arch-conservative. Further, you don't believe that Colbert is engaging in over-the-top stereotyping...you believe that his depiction of a "real" conservative (not the smart, witty, engaing type your husband is...permitted to be) is pretty much spot-on.

Of course, anyone depicting a lib as a puling, PC anti-American, racist hater in Birkinstocks who has a ready supply of protest pickets pre-made, in the garage of their "eco-friendly" (that means you have those funny looking flouro-bulbs in the 32 fixtures lighting the walks of your estate, and who sees nothing at all wrong with one taking one's Gulfstream--alone--to the Global Warming protest...but being sure to have a Pious...er, Prius waiting at the private airport to take you to the actual protest.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

There's no way that could possibly be true.

Test it. Go to the local ER. Tell them your real name, get treated for a cold.

Then try to not pay the bill.

Illegals don't have to pay.

It's that simple.

Or, try this: commit a heinous crime. Say, rape a 10 year old girl repeatedly. Now, see if you can ask to be deported, rather than face trial. Or, smuggle heroin into the country, then when you get caught doing so, go back over the border for a week, then come back here after having been shot by your hefe in Mehico, get free medical treatment AND rehab for the wound, and claim that you were shot not by your boss in Mehico, but by Border Agents nearly 10 days before (showing a wound that would kill a lesser man over that span of time), then get one of those "no stop" cards from Homeland Security (permitting you to cross the border w/out question) so that you can testify against the criminals who shot you (not your boss in Mehico...the REAL criminals: US Border Patrol cops!) and see how that works out for you as a citizen of this country.

Tokie

[JoeTheJuggler]

Test it. Go to the local ER. Tell them your real name, get treated for a cold.

Then try to not pay the bill.

Illegals don't have to pay.

It's that simple.
Simple, but not at all a test of the claim you made that illegals qualify for more benefits than legals and citizens.

C'mon--your statement was not true.

And then you go on to talk about crimes and deportation, which is another topic.

ETA: BTW, I've worked in ERs, and to my knowledge we had no way of knowing someone's immigration status. By law, you have to treat everyone regardless of their ability to pay. We have programs to cover the poorest of the poor and the disabled among legals and citizens. (You don't count THAT as a benefit?) Few people pay their own ER bills entirely themselves. So, what's your point?

[Jimcalagon]

'Tokie' - did you go by the name 'Lord Baltimore' (and 'Manwe Sulimo') on the TORC forums by any chance?

[fls]

1. At first I figgered you did..then you said that you did not. So I figgered I was wrong and you were not lying. I guess I was wrong.

False dichotomy. Another option is that you have poor reading comprehension. It may be that the quality of English teachers in the US is low.

2. Ah, so you get all your "news" from leftist interenet forums like this one, or left-advocacy print media. Good work! Nothing quite like looking only to those who will prop up your views to get your views um...propped up!

I dunno. Is Al-Jazeera considered "left", or "right"?

3. Stereotypes are based in reality. But for some reason in the US, today, if I characterize a black man as loving fried chicken and watermelon, that will get me a visit from the Rev. Al Sharpton and his megaphone and Jesse, with his hand out. If, howsoever, I characterize a "conservative" (as you do) as "stoopid, ig'nant, un-so-fist-eye-kated, backwoods, redneck, racist, sexist homo'phobic', xenophobic and a warmongering chickenhawk hater" that's NOT a stereotype...it's a DEFINITION.
Moreover, if I characterize a lib as a latte-sucking PC-spewing, "tax the rich!" (but not my trust) trustfunder who cannot seem to tell the truth, that's viewed as wholly inaccurate despite the fact that in order to be a lib you must be all of these things.

I didn't tell you that your characterization of a lib was inaccurate. I simply told you that it didn't characterize me. I don't whether I'm a lib, so if you are telling me that I'm not, I'll accept your judgement on that issue.

4. No, what I suspect is that you identify your hubby as a "conservative" because to you that means "right of Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn." You have never encountered a real conservative (libs tend to cloister themselves so that they run little risk of having their views tested) and so you think that because your husband likes Lieberman, that makes him an arch-conservative.

No. The only reason I think my husband is a conservative is because he says he is. Most everyone else around here calls themself a conservative and he seems to fit right in. On the other hand, they generally don't seem to fit the definition, so it may be a trick.

Further, you don't believe that Colbert is engaging in over-the-top stereotyping...you believe that his depiction of a "real" conservative (not the smart, witty, engaing type your husband is...permitted to be) is pretty much spot-on.

I doubt it. It seems unlikely that I'd find it funny if I didn't think there was an element of absurdity.

Of course, anyone depicting a lib as a puling, PC anti-American, racist hater in Birkinstocks who has a ready supply of protest pickets pre-made, in the garage of their "eco-friendly" (that means you have those funny looking flouro-bulbs in the 32 fixtures lighting the walks of your estate, and who sees nothing at all wrong with one taking one's Gulfstream--alone--to the Global Warming protest...but being sure to have a Pious...er, Prius waiting at the private airport to take you to the actual protest.

Tokie

You do realize that despite its length, and despite the capitalization at the beginning and the period at the end, the above is not actually a sentence, right? The incomplete parenthetical is slightly confusing, but the lack of a completed thought leaves me unable to guess your point.

Linda

[Tokenconservative]

'Tokie' - did you go by the name 'Lord Baltimore' (and 'Manwe Sulimo') on the TORC forums by any chance?

Nope.

I've gone by Tokenconservative in every forum I've been kicked off of for the past 7 years or so.

Never heard of that one. Would they kick me off quicker'n it's taking them to here?

Tokie

[Spindrift]

Nope.

I've gone by Tokenconservative in every forum I've been kicked off of for the past 7 years or so.

Never heard of that one. Would they kick me off quicker'n it's taking them to here?

Tokie

You're not likely to get kicked off here unless you violate one of the rules.

And since making up stuff, ignoring requests for proof, displaying a marked inability to comprehend the written word and classifying anyone who disagrees with you as liberal are not against the rules, you won't be kicked off that quickly.

[Spindrift]

Test it. Go to the local ER. Tell them your real name, get treated for a cold.

Then try to not pay the bill.

Illegals don't have to pay.

It's that simple.

Or, try this: commit a heinous crime. Say, rape a 10 year old girl repeatedly. Now, see if you can ask to be deported, rather than face trial. Or, smuggle heroin into the country, then when you get caught doing so, go back over the border for a week, then come back here after having been shot by your hefe in Mehico, get free medical treatment AND rehab for the wound, and claim that you were shot not by your boss in Mehico, but by Border Agents nearly 10 days before (showing a wound that would kill a lesser man over that span of time), then get one of those "no stop" cards from Homeland Security (permitting you to cross the border w/out question) so that you can testify against the criminals who shot you (not your boss in Mehico...the REAL criminals: US Border Patrol cops!) and see how that works out for you as a citizen of this country.

Tokie

Those are not "bennies". Plus in the hospital, there are lots of legal indigents who get "free" care. On your second example, I can give you examples of people turning on the Mob who got away with a lot more than that. (Sammy the Bull Gravano)

I'll remind you of your quote:
The unfortunate truth is that in fact, illegals qualify for more bennies in the USofA than do legal residents and certainly citizens.

Name some real benefits illegals qualify for. Somehow I don't think you'll be able to do that, because you made it up.

So your "unfortunate truth" is just another TokenConservative lie.

[Jimcalagon]

Nope.

I've gone by Tokenconservative in every forum I've been kicked off of for the past 7 years or so.

Never heard of that one. Would they kick me off quicker'n it's taking them to here?

Tokie

He never got kicked off there - I did my best but to no avail ;) I should put you two guys in touch, you'd get on like a house on fire. Or a cross. :D

[Tokenconservative]

He never got kicked off there - I did my best but to no avail ;) I should put you two guys in touch, you'd get on like a house on fire. Or a cross. :D

Many nannies do their best to get me removed, too.

The list of complaints against me in here is no doubt ponderous as Marley's chain by now....

Admins usually like me at these commercial sites because I keep what are typically deadly-dull conversations skipping along. Eventually, I get bored enough to see how far I can push the admin and I get kicked out.

No biggie. there must be 650,000 forums like this out there...most don't have the cred this one does, but que sera, sera.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

You're not likely to get kicked off here unless you violate one of the rules.

And since making up stuff, ignoring requests for proof, displaying a marked inability to comprehend the written word and classifying anyone who disagrees with you as liberal are not against the rules, you won't be kicked off that quickly.


LOL!

If I had a dime for every time I've heard that "...unless you violate one of the rules" (that we'll make up to get rid of you, eventually) line...

Tokie

[The_Animus]

Or is it a Virginia thing?

It's not just young kids either; I routinely see "older" people who don't exactly look professional, or act it. I don't expect sales clerks to wear a tux or be a ball of fire, but at least cover up those gross tattoos, don't advertise how half your body is pierced ie put away those ridiculous lip rings (or whatever), comb/brush your greasy friggin hair into some semblence of a style....ie pretend to be at least semi-professional. Also I'm sorry if you hate your job, but nobody forced you into it, you're getting paid, and oh btw it is a customer service-oriented job ...so if I have a question, I expect at least a semi-pleasant/polite attitude and an answer, or you finding the answer out in reasonably quick order.

Anyway just wondering.

The polite attitude part I will agree with. The rest seems like you trying to force your fashion style on everyone else.

You don't like tattoos or piercings? That's fine. No one is forcing you to get any. Some people enjoy getting them. It is their body, and they can look how they want. You think that because you don't like how it looks on them that you have the right to tell them they have to cover it up? Please. Who made you the fashion police? What if I don't like the pants and shirt you wear? What if I don't like a womans choice of earrings? Should I go complain to the manager about you?

If their physical appearance matters so much to you then go somewhere else. No one forces you to go to that store. If you aren't willing to drive the extra distance to go to another store then deal with it.

I agree that the clerks should be polite and helpful to customers. I also think that if their hygiene poses sanitation issues that is another matter entirely.

I would suggest you worry less about their appearance and more about who they are as a person and how they treat you as a customer. If they treat you poorly then you have every right to complain to a manager about their attitude. If on the other hand they are polite and give good service, then you should be happy to have such an individual working there.