I Was Wrong!

[Tokenconservative]

I was wrong.

In previous posts in here I noted as how student population in my district was declining.

The lastest population trends report on the schools has come out and it appears that rather than declining, school population here, in a district with a general population of something like 300,000, is growing at a breakneck speed.

In the past year, the total number of new kids added to the schools here is (drum roll, please....): 71.

I know, I know...it's hard to believe how any school district can possibly be expected to keep up with growth of this sort. We are trying, though. In fact, we've raised taxes here to support two new elementary schools, a new middle school, a new charter (1-8th grade) and a new high school.

Many of us here are hoping and praying (not to God, but Gaia) that this will somehow be enough, even though we all secretly doubt that two new elementaries, a new middle school, a new charter (grades 1-8) and an new high school will be enough to handle an influx of this magnitude.

So....clearly, I was wrong to voice the opinion that the schools are simply a full-employment program for the drooling sluggards who graduate in the bottom quintile of the bottom quintile of all US college graduates to go on to become "teachers." Obviously, this sort of growth requires action...two new elementaries, a new middle school, a new charter school (grades 1-8) and a new high school, for example.

To all those I doubted: mea culpa.

Tokie

[fuelair]

Now if you could just find a way to minimize all your other errors.............

[Tokenconservative]

Now if you could just find a way to minimize all your other errors.............

Gonna go out on a limb here...this will either be the ONLY reply, or it will set the tone for the replies as this becomes about Tokie, rather than the issue as "educators" in here desperately look for a way to avoid this issue and what it says.

Tokie

[KoihimeNakamura]

What IS your district? I'm mildly curious if they did it based on projected growth instead of current growth.

[Tokenconservative]

What IS your district? I'm mildly curious if they did it based on projected growth instead of current growth.


Oh I live....

Wow!

Nice try!

I rarely get anyone trying to find out where I am so cleverly!

Nearly got me!

Sheesh.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

What IS your district? I'm mildly curious if they did it based on projected growth instead of current growth.

They based it on projected growth, of course.

Meanwhile, projections of plummeting popoulations in schools in older neighborhoods, where classes now routinely have 2 teachers for every 13 kids, failed to suggest to them that it might be time to CLOSE some schools.

The middle school that was built was planned for when projected population growth was high. Ground was broken well after trends here suggested the need for this schools was, at best, questionable.

Tokie

[NobbyNobbs]

I was wrong.

In previous posts in here I noted as how student population in my district was declining.

The lastest population trends report on the schools has come out and it appears that rather than declining, school population here, in a district with a general population of something like 300,000, is growing at a breakneck speed.

In the past year, the total number of new kids added to the schools here is (drum roll, please....): 71.

I know, I know...it's hard to believe how any school district can possibly be expected to keep up with growth of this sort. We are trying, though. In fact, we've raised taxes here to support two new elementary schools, a new middle school, a new charter (1-8th grade) and a new high school.

Many of us here are hoping and praying (not to God, but Gaia) that this will somehow be enough, even though we all secretly doubt that two new elementaries, a new middle school, a new charter (grades 1-8) and an new high school will be enough to handle an influx of this magnitude.

So....clearly, I was wrong to voice the opinion that the schools are simply a full-employment program for the drooling sluggards who graduate in the bottom quintile of the bottom quintile of all US college graduates to go on to become "teachers." Obviously, this sort of growth requires action...two new elementaries, a new middle school, a new charter school (grades 1-8) and a new high school, for example.

To all those I doubted: mea culpa.

Tokie


Well, how to react to this depends on other factors. If there were a total of 100 kids in the whole school district, an additional 71 is a monstrous load.

If the schools are overcrowded as it is, the extra students would be a good excuse to spawn off extra schools.

If the conditions of the buildings are lousy, it be a good reason to build new buildings.

There just isn't enough information here to judge.

Gonna go out on a limb here...this will either be the ONLY reply, or it will set the tone for the replies as this becomes about Tokie, rather than the issue as "educators" in here desperately look for a way to avoid this issue and what it says.

Tokie

I suspect that if your opening salvo includes the phrase "the schools are simply a full-employment program for the drooling sluggards who graduate in the bottom quintile of the bottom quintile of all US college graduates to go on to become 'teachers.'", you probably won't get a lot of on-topic responses.

I'm mildly amazed I was able to reign in my own disgust at your unwarranted, uncalled for attack. I must be tired.

[Yoink]

Dog Bites Man!

[Jeff Corey]

Ambient gods. (fun with anagrams).

[LibraryLady]

I'm going to give Tokie the benefit of the doubt here. I know that I'm going out on a limb to do it and I hope he won't let me down. I admire people who can admit a mistake; it's not easy to do. Well done.

If this turns out to be some sort of trick or tomfoolery, I'll be very disappointed. And you know what happens when I'm disappointed.....


THE BUDGIE OF DOOM!

[Spindrift]

They based it on projected growth, of course.

Meanwhile, projections of plummeting popoulations in schools in older neighborhoods, where classes now routinely have 2 teachers for every 13 kids, failed to suggest to them that it might be time to CLOSE some schools.

The middle school that was built was planned for when projected population growth was high. Ground was broken well after trends here suggested the need for this schools was, at best, questionable.

Tokie

What district has 2 teacher per 13 students?

Wouldn't be more TokieFiction, would it?

[Tokenconservative]

Well, how to react to this depends on other factors. If there were a total of 100 kids in the whole school district, an additional 71 is a monstrous load.

If the schools are overcrowded as it is, the extra students would be a good excuse to spawn off extra schools.

If the conditions of the buildings are lousy, it be a good reason to build new buildings.

There just isn't enough information here to judge.

I suspect that if your opening salvo includes the phrase "the schools are simply a full-employment program for the drooling sluggards who graduate in the bottom quintile of the bottom quintile of all US college graduates to go on to become 'teachers.'", you probably won't get a lot of on-topic responses.

I'm mildly amazed I was able to reign in my own disgust at your unwarranted, uncalled for attack. I must be tired.

1. It's the second largest district in a state of 4 million.

2. Many schools in the older areas of the larger cities in the district (one with 250,000 legal residents, the other with something around 200k) are 20-50% underpopulated.

3. Over the past decade, most of the older buildings have either undergone extensive updating/upgading or have been replaced entirely. This includes 15 elementary schools, 6 middle schools and the replacement of one of the largest high schools.

4. Of course there is. In a logical sense, there's more than enough information: population is shrinking while facilities to serve that shrinking population are growing. Do the math.

5. My identification of what is going on is somehow wrong? Please explain how?

If you are not too tired, that is.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

I'm going to give Tokie the benefit of the doubt here. I know that I'm going out on a limb to do it and I hope he won't let me down. I admire people who can admit a mistake; it's not easy to do. Well done.

If this turns out to be some sort of trick or tomfoolery, I'll be very disappointed. And you know what happens when I'm disappointed.....


THE BUDGIE OF DOOM!

...no...I don't. What happens? You mess other than on the papers in the bottom of your cage?

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

What district has 2 teacher per 13 students?

Wouldn't be more TokieFiction, would it?

This district. By the numbers in some areas, mostly older areas where student population in ele and middle schools has plummeted.

Of course, what this suggests to you, either an "educator" yourself, or apologist for same, is that TOKIE MUST BE CRAAAAAZZYYYYYYYYYYY!!!

Rather than the more reasonable conclusion I've come to.

Tokie

[NobbyNobbs]

5. My identification of what is going on is somehow wrong? Please explain how?

If you are not too tired, that is.

Tokie

Not too tired at all. Your identification of what is going on is wrong in the following manner: My second career was as an educator. I am most certainly not "a drooling sluggard who graduates in the bottom quintile of the bottom quintile of all US college graduates".

Neither were any of my colleagues. And with only one exception that I can think of, neither were any of my teachers as I grew up.

Therefore, your identification is wrong. Glad I could clear it up for you.

[LibraryLady]

...no...I don't. What happens? You mess other than on the papers in the bottom of your cage?

Tokie

Sigh.

Okay, sorry I tried.

[biomorph]

Meanwhile, projections of plummeting popoulations in schools in older neighborhoods, where classes now routinely have 2 teachers for every 13 kids, failed to suggest to them that it might be time to CLOSE some schools.
Tokie

I thought that having less kids per teacher resulted in a better pass rate, as allegedly in the non-govt school (private-public) system in the UK?

While economy is important, a better (possibly) education is more so IMHO.
So are you suggesting cuts? You want the world in your "district" to have more dunces?

Not sure I get what you are on about here........

:boggled:

[Spindrift]

This district. By the numbers in some areas, mostly older areas where student population in ele and middle schools has plummeted.

Of course, what this suggests to you, either an "educator" yourself, or apologist for same, is that TOKIE MUST BE CRAAAAAZZYYYYYYYYYYY!!!

Rather than the more reasonable conclusion I've come to.

Tokie

What district is that? And what areas? If you don't want to post it, you can PM me.

Excuse for wanting to verify something you say, but your track record warrants it.

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Clearly, the school board did not say "Oh my, 71 new students, we need all these new facilities." So what exactly did they say?

~~ Paul

[wollery]

Clearly, the school board did not say "Oh my, 71 new students, we need all these new facilities." So what exactly did they say?

~~ PaulAt a guess, "Holy freaking crap, all our old schools are falling apart, we need to build some new ones before the kids start getting sick from the buildings or have bricks fall on their heads!"

[wollery]

Oh, and Tokie, teaching requires both skill and knowledge, and more than a little dedication.

You try standing in front of 30 adolescent kids and explaining human reproduction to them, and then you can comment on what it takes to be a teacher.

[NobbyNobbs]

Bump for Tokie's benefit


Not too tired at all. Your identification of what is going on is wrong in the following manner: My second career was as an educator. I am most certainly not "a drooling sluggard who graduates in the bottom quintile of the bottom quintile of all US college graduates".

Neither were any of my colleagues. And with only one exception that I can think of, neither were any of my teachers as I grew up.

Therefore, your identification is wrong. Glad I could clear it up for you.

[ponderingturtle]

What district has 2 teacher per 13 students?


Some special ed classes have that. I always had two teachers and less than 10 students in class when I was in special ed.

[Trakar]

1. It's the second largest district in a state of 4 million.

2. Many schools in the older areas of the larger cities in the district (one with 250,000 legal residents, the other with something around 200k) are 20-50% underpopulated.



In your opening post you said the district contained 300,000 people, now you are claiming the two largest cities in that district have a combined total of around 450k. If the population within your fictional district fluctuates this much, this fast, it is no wonder they are building so many schools!

[Garrette]

I think Tokie may be guilty of misreading statistics as opposed to falsely presenting data. (Alternatively, I could simply be guilty of having bad google-fu and being wrong in the following:)

The two states closest to 4 million in population are Kentucky and South Carolina. The second largest school district in Kentucky is Fayette County (with the city of Lexington); for South Carolina it's Charleston County (with the city of Charleston).

Charleston doesn't have enough people to be mistaken for 300,000, but Fayette County is very close to that with Lexington itself having about 270,000.

The mistake would come in when assigning 200,000 to some mythical second city in Fayette County; it doesn't exist. However, looking for population of metropolitan areas in Kentucky yields the Lexington-Fayette metro area with a total population of just under 450,000. The problem is that the metro area extends beyond the district and includes surrounding towns and counties (such as Frankfort, the capital).

In addition, I was able to find reference to a plan to build three new elementary schools in Fayette County, though not a high school or charter school. One of the elementary schools could be the middle school Tokie refers to.

[SomeGuy]

Oh, and Tokie, teaching requires both skill and knowledge, and more than a little dedication.

You try standing in front of 30 adolescent kids and explaining human reproduction to them, and then you can comment on what it takes to be a teacher.

I dunno I live in the Netherlands of course, where we're all a little prude.

But that which I remember from the lesson about as you so decently call it "human reproduction" it was a lot of:

"Yeah, we knew that."
"Knew that too"
"Hmmm that looks uncomfortable"
"We knew that too"
"That will never fit".

We got it from a replacement teacher fresh out of training and while he seemed nervous having to teach about this, he relaxed visibly 2 minutes into the lesson.

[Tokenconservative]

Oh, and Tokie, teaching requires both skill and knowledge, and more than a little dedication.

You try standing in front of 30 adolescent kids and explaining human reproduction to them, and then you can comment on what it takes to be a teacher.


Yeah, um ...about that.

I've been a teacher.

But I taught, you know....stupid stuff like English, writing, math, history.

Nutin' kids today needs ta know!

Right?

Not when compared to YOUR subject, anyway:

Okay, class, today we will learn how to put a condom on, and discuss differences in homosexual sex positions....

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

I dunno I live in the Netherlands of course, where we're all a little prude.

But that which I remember from the lesson about as you so decently call it "human reproduction" it was a lot of:

"Yeah, we knew that."
"Knew that too"
"Hmmm that looks uncomfortable"
"We knew that too"
"That will never fit".

We got it from a replacement teacher fresh out of training and while he seemed nervous having to teach about this, he relaxed visibly 2 minutes into the lesson.

Here in the US, they bring in "guest lecturers" from NMBLA and gay organizations to explain how to make it fit.

Tokie

[brodski]

Here in the US, they bring in "guest lecturers" from NMBLA and gay organizations to explain how to make it fit.

Tokie

Will you provide any evidence that any school has invited a NAMBLA representative to give sex ed to kids?

Or is this just another of your lies about the US education system

[Mashuna]

Yeah, um ...about that.

I've been a teacher.

But I taught, you know....stupid stuff like English, writing, math, history.

Nutin' kids today needs ta know!

Right?

Not when compared to YOUR subject, anyway:

Okay, class, today we will learn how to put a condom on, and discuss differences in homosexual sex positions....

Tokie


Hey, I remember you. You're the guy who got fired for being too awsome at your job! It's just as well they stopped you in time, otherwise you might have created classes full of super-geniuses who would take over the world. That's probably the reason they got rid of you.

[Damien Evans]

Oh I live....

Wow!

Nice try!

I rarely get anyone trying to find out where I am so cleverly!

Nearly got me!

Sheesh.

Tokie

:confused: What's the big problem with giving out your district?

Hell, I've even given out my exact address on here before, no-ones come to kill me yet.

[enjoytheview]

:confused: What's the big problem with giving out your district?

Hell, I've even given out my exact address on here before, no-ones come to kill me yet.

Oh, that reminds me.. Will you be home tomorrow?:p

[Damien Evans]

Oh, that reminds me.. Will you be home tomorrow?:p

:D


Yep, and from Saturday i have the house to myself for two weeks

[Tokenconservative]

:confused: What's the big problem with giving out your district?

Hell, I've even given out my exact address on here before, no-ones come to kill me yet.

You are not Tokie.

I tend to arouse...a bit of an emotional response on some occasions.

And I am also not stupid.

Tokie

[cyborg]

I tend to arouse...a bit of an emotional response on some occasions.

Yes - us Liberals would take the first opportunity to silence such a dangerous luminary of Conservatism lest we find ourselves defeated by your pure awesomeness.

And I am also not stupid.

You're paranoid.

[Shalamar]

You are not Tokie.

I tend to arouse...a bit of an emotional response on some occasions.

And I am also not stupid.

Tokie

This is confusing.

Liberals tend to not like guns. So they might.. what? Say things in a sarcastic tone towards your house?

You, however, are a conservative, probably have enough weaponry to outfit a small country quite comfortably.

Yeah, you purposely try to solicit emotional responses, because you seem to get off on it. You like to post things that seem to mock 'liberals', without providing, well, anything to support your point of view, which makes you look like a wanker. (Or read like one). Most folks here are merely interested in the information you have posted, and want to verify it. They aren't about to go looking for you, personally.

I'd be more worried about the conservative prowling the streets looking for liberals to murder.

[Tokenconservative]

Yes - us Liberals would take the first opportunity to silence such a dangerous luminary of Conservatism lest we find ourselves defeated by your pure awesomeness.


You're paranoid.


I infuriate some conservatives (they are rare in here, to be sure), as well...and nutjobs tend to confuse their politics, anyway.

And I tend to infuriate.

Period.

Even paranoids have enemies.

And I've been doing this net forum stuff long enough not to take any chances, and long enough to recognize when someone far cleverer than I is (yawn) trying very cleverly to (yawn) get personal information on me.

Tokie

[cyborg]

nd I've been doing this net forum stuff long enough not to take any chances, and long enough to recognize when someone far cleverer than I is (yawn) trying very cleverly to (yawn) get personal information on me.

Nobody cares that much about you.

Sorry.

[Tokenconservative]

This is confusing.

Liberals tend to not like guns. So they might.. what? Say things in a sarcastic tone towards your house?

You, however, are a conservative, probably have enough weaponry to outfit a small country quite comfortably.

Yeah, you purposely try to solicit emotional responses, because you seem to get off on it. You like to post things that seem to mock 'liberals', without providing, well, anything to support your point of view, which makes you look like a wanker. (Or read like one). Most folks here are merely interested in the information you have posted, and want to verify it. They aren't about to go looking for you, personally.

I'd be more worried about the conservative prowling the streets looking for liberals to murder.

That would worry you only because you are a lib and believe what your masters tell you to.

I misremember...is it libs or conservatives who engage in violent protests?

Oh...that's right, you are going to say that Tim McVeigh and the Davidians, or some such were "conservatives" because, after all...that's what the/your left-advocacy media says they wuz!!!

And hey, if you read it in the left-advocacy media, it's gotta be true!

Sheesh.

I've been challenged to fight by online toughguys a dozen times or more. Only once was this by a guy who CALLED himself a conservative (in reality what he was was a racist redneck moron). Every other time it's been a LIBERAL 'net toughguy.

FYI: the one time I arranged to meet someone who wanted to "straighten me out," as he put it, he didn't show.

He was a lib.

And I don't "try" to mock libs any better than they mock themselves, "try" as I might!

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Nobody cares that much about you.

Sorry.

OH...now you dun gonet and hurted muh feelin's!!!

By the by...if that's true, why the concentrated PM campaign I was made aware of by someone in here who was invited to join, but found it...distasteful (not the first time for me, nor the first forum by anymeans), to "get Tokie banned"?

If nobody cares?

Now I'se jest confusicated!

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

This is confusing.

Liberals tend to not like guns. So they might.. what? Say things in a sarcastic tone towards your house?



Wrong. Liberals tend to love guns...look at Joe Stalin and his boys, or A. Hitler and his.

What liberals don't like is not having CONTROL of all the guns. They like guns just fine when only THEY are permitted to have them.

What worries them is when people who might want freedom have guns.

See the difference?

Tokie

[cyborg]

OH...now you dun gonet and hurted muh feelin's!!!

By the by...if that's true, why the concentrated PM campaign I was made aware of by someone in here who was invited to join, but found it...distasteful (not the first time for me, nor the first forum by anymeans), to "get Tokie banned"?

If nobody cares?

Now I'se jest confusicated!

I see your mastery of the English language has failed you again.

Please note the difference:

"Nobody cares that much about you."

"Nobody cares about you."

[Tokenconservative]

I see your mastery of the English language has failed you again.

Please note the difference:

"Nobody cares that much about you."

"Nobody cares about you."

You like me! You really like me!!!

[cyborg]

You like me! You really like me!!!

Not enough to kill you.

That's the difference between paranoia and knowing something. You can know people give a **** enough to throw information at you. It is cheap and low risk. It is quite another to think they'll be insane enough to actually kill you.

[Nogbad]

Wrong. Liberals tend to love guns...look at Joe Stalin and his boys, or A. Hitler and his.

What liberals don't like is not having CONTROL of all the guns. They like guns just fine when only THEY are permitted to have them.

What worries them is when people who might want freedom have guns.

See the difference?

Tokie

Never owned a gun in me puff.

Hitler wasn't a Liberal (but I see you like to tease :) ) he was a red-necked racist who hated Communists, Jews, Liberals, Gypsies, Homosexuals, and he didn't much care for traditional Conservatives either although he used them as a stepping stone to power and they realised too late that they had got in to bed with a fecking lunatic.

[Tokenconservative]

Never owned a gun in me puff.

Hitler wasn't a Liberal (but I see you like to tease :) ) he was a red-necked racist who hated Communists, Jews, Liberals, Gypsies, Homosexuals, and he didn't much care for traditional Conservatives either although he used them as a stepping stone to power and they realised too late that they had got in to bed with a fecking lunatic.

I didn't say you owned a gun, puffy or otherwise. I said that liberals like to CONTROL guns.

Hitler was a socialist. Modern liberals are socialists. Ergo....well, you figure it out. He was indeed a racist, as is Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farakhan....all black and all well-know racists and....socialists.

Tokie

[blobru]

... And I am also not stupid.

Link?

[Tokenconservative]

Not enough to kill you.

That's the difference between paranoia and knowing something. You can know people give a **** enough to throw information at you. It is cheap and low risk. It is quite another to think they'll be insane enough to actually kill you.


Hmmm...so the guy who (this was some years ago before I was "paranoid") showed up at my house one day and scared the hell out of my wife...he DID love me enough to want to kill me, just not enough to show up when I was actually there?

Tokie

[Nogbad]

I didn't say you owned a gun, puffy or otherwise. I said that liberals like to CONTROL guns.

Hitler was a socialist. Modern liberals are socialists. Ergo....well, you figure it out. He was indeed a racist, as is Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farakhan....all black and all well-know racists and....socialists.

Tokie

I like the logic double barrel and pike

you have done this at Olympic level haven't you?

[cyborg]

Hmmm...so the guy who (this was some years ago before I was "paranoid") showed up at my house one day and scared the hell out of my wife...he DID love me enough to want to kill me, just not enough to show up when I was actually there?

LINK?

[Tokenconservative]

LINK?

I wasn't able to catch up with him, but my wife did describe him...and yes, he could've been the missing link--LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINKKKKKKKKKKK!!!

[Tokenconservative]

I like the logic double barrel and pike

you have done this at Olympic level haven't you?

No, no...disqualified...

'Roids.

Tokie

[Tokenconservative]

Link?

Gotta admit...that made me chuckle.

Now, go throw yourself down oh....3 flights of stairs and give me 6 Hail Marys.