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			<title>James Gandolfini dead at 51</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:47:29 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title>New Disclosures on IRS Conduct</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:41:17 GMT</pubDate>
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<div>Turns out our good buddy Darrelll Issa was holding back evidence.<br />
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<a href="http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/19/issa-angry-as-transcripts-show-he-fixed-facts-of-irs-case-around-his-claims-of-white-house-corruption/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06...se-corruption/</a><br />
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				In the transcripts released by Cummings the IRS employee who indicates that the targeting started with low-level employees in the Cincinnati IRS office also identifies himself as a conservative Republican. He also testified that no one in Washington or at the White House directed the investigation. From page 141 of Cummings’ transcripts:
			
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			<title>Fact or fiction series</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:47:47 GMT</pubDate>
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<div>Theres a series of shows on a program called fact or fiction.  One of the shows had a young boy who was afraid of a monster in his closet and he was picked on by other boys including his older brother.  One day while being picked on by his brother and his brothers friends the tormented kid dared his brother to go in the closet and shut the door.<br />
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Screams came out of the closet and the mother came in.  She opened the door and no one was there.  The police were called but the boy was never located.<br />
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Ok at the end of each program you were asked if it was fact or fiction.  Much to my surprise and dismay the story is supposed to be true.  Has anyone ever seen this and does anyone know the origin of this absurd tale?</div>


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			<title><![CDATA["A More Secular Europe, Divided by the Cross"]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:34:03 GMT</pubDate>
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<div>From <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/18/world/europe/a-more-secular-europe-divided-by-the-cross.html?smid=tw-share&amp;_r=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NYT</a>:<br />
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				In a continent divided by many languages, vast differences of culture and economic gaps, the archbishop said that centuries of Christianity provide a rare element shared by all of the soon-to-be 28 members of the fractious union. Croatia, a mostly Catholic nation like Slovakia, joins next month.<br />
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Yet at a time when Europe needs solidarity and a unified sense of purpose to grapple with its seemingly endless economic crisis, religion has instead become yet another a source of discord. It divides mostly secular Western Europe from profoundly religious nations in the east like Poland and those in between both in geography and in faith like Slovakia.<br />
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In nearly all of Europe, assertive secularists and beleaguered believers battle to make their voices heard. All of which leaves the European Commission, in charge of shaping Europe’s common aspirations, under attack from all sides, denounced by atheists for even its timid engagement with religion and by nationalist Christian fundamentalists as an agent of Satan.
			
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I agree that the idea of European unity (for whatever it's worth) is originally a Christian idea. The Roman Empire was not a European empire, it was a Mediterranean empire that never covered even half of Europe. With very few exceptions, all of Europe is the historical Christendom.<br />
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It's a bit of an irony that western Europe is more secular than eastern Europe (with some notable exceptions, like Estonia and Czech Republic). The former has a recent history of state-enforced atheism, the latter has an organically grown atheism.</div>


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			<dc:creator>Humes fork</dc:creator>
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			<title>GOP + War on Drugs</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:17:50 GMT</pubDate>
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Now pipes are illegal. If I read it right, this could even read on tobacco pipes. <br />
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I guess their private prisons weren't full enough?</div>


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			<title>How do I know I see the same colours as everyone else</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:15:46 GMT</pubDate>
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<div>When I look at something blue, I know it's blue.<br />
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When someone else looks at something blue, they know it's blue.<br />
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We both associate the colour that we are seeing as blue, but how do I know that I am seeing the same colour they are seeing ?<br />
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Couldn't they see it as green (by that I mean, what I would say was green) but we have both been raised to say the colour that we are seeing is what we call blue.<br />
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I know the light bounces off the blue thing and that is going to be the same for both us, but once it goes into my eyes and my brain processes it and I &quot;see&quot; it. How do I know my brain is making me see the same colour as someone else's brain ?<br />
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Does this make sense ?<br />
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I assume we must be, as we all see blue as cold and red as hot, but is that learned behaviour ? Could what I look at and see as blue and think of as cold be what other people look at as red, but we have both learned that the colour we are looking at is &quot;cold&quot;.<br />
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Is their a way that we know for sure and I'm just being an idiot here, confusing myself ?</div>


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			<dc:creator>LandR</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[Serena Williams' comments on rape victim]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:04:18 GMT</pubDate>
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<div>&quot;I'm not blaming the girl, but if you're a 16-year-old and you're drunk  like that, your parents should teach you: Don't take drinks from other  people.&quot;<br />
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&quot;... she shouldn't have put herself in that position, unless they slipped her something, then that's different.&quot;<br />
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<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/serena-williams-comments-rape-case-interview-19432591#.UcIpwOszKzw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...1#.UcIpwOszKzw</a><br />
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She has since apologized.<br />
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&quot;What was written — <font size="3"><b>what I supposedly said </b></font>— is insensitive and hurtful,  and I by no means would say or insinuate that she was at all to blame.&quot;<br />
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Supposedly? Sounds like she is saying that Rolling Stone misquoted her?:confused:</div>


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			<title>Over 50 imaginary terror plots foiled</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:39:00 GMT</pubDate>
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				&quot;So the technology does not exist for any individual or group of individuals at the NSA to flip a switch to listen to Americans' phone calls or read their e-mails?&quot; he repeated.<br />
&quot;That is correct,&quot; Alexander answered.<br />
He and others also asserted that the leaks were egregious and carry huge consequences for national security.<br />
&quot;I think it was irreversible and significant damage to this nation,&quot; Alexander said when questioned by Rep. Michele Bachmann.<br />
&quot;Has this helped America's enemies?&quot; the conservative Minnesota Republican asked.<br />
&quot;I believe it has and I believe it will hurt us and our allies,&quot; Alexander said.
			
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			<dc:creator>Simon666</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[the lesser Hitchens pronounces 'addiction' non-existent]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:27:58 GMT</pubDate>
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<div>Didn't see this posted anywhere yet but:<br />
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&quot;If drug &#8216;addicts&#8217; can give up their drugs by using self-control, then &#8216;addiction&#8217; doesn&#8217;t exist&quot;<br />
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<a href="http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/addiction/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/addiction/</a><br />
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reads fairly laughably to me...sure, addiction is probably a bit of a slippery concept, but I don't think anyone ever pretended there was a hard and fast definition. He just seems to be picking a reflexive definition of 'addiction' (as 'insurmountable addiction') and then saying because some people who are said to be addicts beat their addiction, it isn't insurmountable and therefore not an addiction.<br />
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I'm not really sure what he's saying to be honest, other than deep down I'm sure it is 'humans can't be addicted like animals demonstrably can, because god made us and gave us free will'<br />
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I propose someone forcibly habituates him to something addictive and then we'll see...<br />
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ETA: oh and Russell Brand is the cheerleader for the other side of the argument. Sadly.</div>


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			<dc:creator>DreadNiK</dc:creator>
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			<title>Favourite mystery/detective novels</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:02:30 GMT</pubDate>
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<div>I've been doing a fair amount of travelling recently and reading a lot of ebooks. I've read and re-read a lot of stuff, mysteries, scifi and fantasy along with non-fiction and a lot of althist.<br />
So, as there don't seem to be any threads devoted to favourite and recommended mysteries I decided to start one.<br />
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My top three atm:<br />
<ul><li>John Sandford: his <i>Prey</i> series and the Flowers' spin-offs. Superb mystery/police procedurals with excellent writing, good plots.</li>
</ul><ul><li>Kerry Greenwood's <i>Phryne Fisher </i>series. Think a female Wimsey in Australia.</li>
</ul><ul><li>Laurie King's Holmes and Russell. A cut above the usual Holmes pastiches.</li>
</ul>Anyone else got any to recommend?</div>


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			<title>The American Revolution vs The French Revolution</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:47:11 GMT</pubDate>
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<div><b>The French Revolution</b> truly shaked autocratic power in Europe and certainly left its mark on the future history of the continent. But it was rather bloody in its aftermath.<br />
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<b>The American Revolution</b> was actually more of a war for independence. Though it seems rather timid by comparison to the French ditto, the revolutionaries had some great ideas.<br />
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Which one do you think was better? Which one led to better developments? Which one had better ideas? Which one had the better philosophy of government?</div>


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			<title>Noam Chomsky: Sports is a capitalist conspiracy</title>
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				<div style="font-style:italic">Take, say, sports -- that's another crucial example of the indoctrination system, in my view. For one thing because it -- you know, it offers people something to pay attention to that's of no importance. [audience laughs] That keeps them from worrying about -- [applause] keeps them from worrying about things that matter to their lives that they might have some idea of doing something about. And in fact it's striking to see the intelligence that's used by ordinary people in [discussions of] sports [as opposed to political and social issues]. I mean, you listen to radio stations where people call in -- they have the most exotic information [more laughter] and understanding about all kind of arcane issues. And the press undoubtedly does a lot with this.<br />
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You know, I remember in high school, already I was pretty old. I suddenly asked myself at one point, why do I care if my high school team wins the football game? [laughter] I mean, I don't know anybody on the team, you know? [audience roars] I mean, they have nothing to do with me, I mean, why I am cheering for my team? It doesn't mean any -- it doesn't make sense. But the point is, it does make sense: it's a way of building up irrational attitudes of submission to authority, and group cohesion behind leadership elements -- in fact, it's training in irrational jingoism. That's also a feature of competitive sports. I think if you look closely at these things, I think, typically, they do have functions, and that's why energy is devoted to supporting them and creating a basis for them and advertisers are willing to pay for them and so on.<br />
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So sports is a great capitalist conspiracy to keep people distracted from politics and make them jingoistic. One wonders what kind of entertainment there will be in Chomsky's ideal society. Will we all sit and discuss politics all day?<br />
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History lesson: Some sort of sports/competitive games has been practiced in pretty much every culture on Earth. The Greeks may be the most well-known, but Germanic, Celtic, Eurasian steppe nomads, etc all had some sort of competitive games. A few months ago I read that Afghanistan had started practice its national sport that was prohibited during the Taliban era. I don't remember the name of the game, but they rode on horses while fighting for a dead goat, and was brought to the area by the Mongols during the Middle Ages. Evil Western capitalists trying to distract the Afghans by letting them do sports.:rolleyes:</div>


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			<title><![CDATA[Europe's entrepreneur problem]]></title>
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				Data show that continental Europe has a problem with creating new businesses destined for growth. According to the Global Entrepreneurship Monitor, which compiles comparable data across countries, in 2010 “early-stage” entrepreneurs made up just 2.3% of Italy’s adult population, 4.2% of Germany’s, and 5.8% of France’s. European countries are below—in many cases well below—America’s 7.6%, let alone China’s 14% and Brazil’s 17%.<br />
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Few in number, European entrepreneurs are also gloomy about their prospects. A study by Ernst &amp; Young, an accounting firm, showed last year that German, Italian and French entrepreneurs were far less confident about their country as a place for start-ups than those in America, Canada or Brazil. Very few French entrepreneurs said their country provided the best environment; 60% of Brazilians, 42% of Japanese and 70% of Canadians thought there was no place as good as home. Asked which cities have the best chance of producing the next Microsoft or Google, Ernst &amp; Young’s businesspeople plumped for Shanghai, San Francisco and Mumbai (though, to be fair, London got a look in too).<br />
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For all this, Europe produces plenty of corner shops, hairdressers and so on. What it doesn’t produce enough of is innovative companies that grow quickly and end up big. In 2003, analysing Europe’s entrepreneurial gap, the European Commission cited a study which showed that during the 1990s, 19% of mid-sized firms in America were classified as fast-growers, compared with an average of just 4% in six European Union countries. The Kauffman Foundation, which promotes entrepreneurship around the world, argues convincingly that one reason America has outstripped Europe in providing new jobs is its ability to produce new, fast-growing companies such as Amazon, an online retailer, or eBay, an online auctioneer. And in terms of jobs, new small firms have an added advantage. They are less likely than existing giants to outsource a lot of their labour to cheap providers in Asia.<br />
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<a href="http://www.economist.com/node/21559618" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Source</a>
			
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			<description>I have a Windows (Vista) PC with a multi card reader. 
One drive (g: ) has developed a fault. 
It...</description>
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<div>I have a Windows (Vista) PC with a multi card reader.<br />
One drive (g: ) has developed a fault.<br />
It does not appear in the Windows  drive list and CMD G:  fails to find any drive.<br />
But- Some software programs do seem to be aware that it <i>should</i> be there, as they throw up errors when they fail to find it.<br />
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Any suggestions for how to either fix it or tell the system to ignore it?</div>


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			<title>The Anointing Women</title>
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<div>An interesting aspect of the gospels is that they all have pericopes. A pericope (pronounced: per-ih-CO-pay) is a story that, while being part of the gospel, is complete in itself, such as the story in the Gospel of John (though apparently added to it after the gospel was written) of the woman taken in adultery. The word &quot;pericope&quot; is derived from two Greek words, the prepositional prefix <i>peri</i>, meaning &quot;around,&quot; and a word meaning &quot;to cut.&quot; Thus, a pericope is a &quot;cut around,&quot; a story that can be cut out from the narrative and stand on its own as an independent tale.<br />
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The four canonical gospels all contain different versions of a pericope often referred to as that of the &quot;anointing woman.&quot; In all versions of the tale, Jesus is a guest at someone's house and is sitting or reclining at supper. A woman comes up behind him and anoints either his head or feet with ointment. The act is rash and presumptuous, since a woman would not ordinarily have the right to anoint someone. Somebody, either the host, the disciples or a particular disciple, condemns the woman for the act; but Jesus reproves them (or him) and praises the woman. In other words, he flouts tradition and propriety to champion an open act of generosity.<br />
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In Mark and Matthew, the same story is told (Mk. 14:3 - 9; Mt. 26:6 - 13) Two days before the Passover, Jesus and his disciples are having supper at the home of Simon the leper (actually, the probably refers to any scaly skin disease, such as psoriasis), in Bethany. An unknown woman comes in with an alabaster jar of very costly ointment, breaks it open and pours it over Jesus' head. Some of the disciples are indignant, saying, &quot;Why was the ointment wasted? It could have been sold for more than 300 dinarii and the money given to the poor.&quot; Jesus says, &quot;Let her alone. Why do you trouble her? She has done a beautiful thing to me.&quot; He goes on to say she has anointed him beforehand for burial, then adds that they will always have the poor with them, but they won't have him with them much longer. He adds that wherever the gospel is preached, what she has done will be told in memory of her. After this incident, Judas goes out to the chief priests to betray Jesus.<br />
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Luke changes the story considerably (Lk. 7:36 - 50), putting it earlier in the ministry of Jesus at an unnamed town, at the home of Simon the Pharisee, and making the act all the more scandalous, since the woman - often conflated with Mary Magdalene - is a &quot;sinner&quot; (Gr. <i>hamartolos</i>), with the clear indications she's a prostitute. She is obviously penitent, since when she comes in she is weeping. She wets his feet with her tears and wipes them dry with her hair, then kisses his feet and anoints them with ointment. Jesus' host, Simon the Pharisee says to himself that Jesus couldn't be a prophet, or he wouldn't allow the woman to touch him, for she is a sinner. Jesus responds to him, telling him a  parable of a creditor and two debtors, one owing him 500 dinarii and one owing him 50 denarii. When they couldn't pay, he forgave them both. Which one, Jesus asks, does Simon think will love the man more. Simon says the one who owed more, and Jesus says he's correct. Then Jesus says to Simon that when he entered Simon's house, he didn't give him water to wash his feet, but the woman has wet his feet with her tears and dried them with her hair. He says that Simon didn't greet him with a kiss, but the woman hasn't ceased kissing his feet. Then he says that though her sins are great, she is forgiven.<br />
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John seems to have taken something from both of these versions. He sets the story again in Bethany, this time six days before Passover, at the house of Lazarus, whom he has raised from the dead, and his two sisters, Martha and Mary (Jn. 12:1 - 8). Mary of Bethany takes a pound of pure nard (i.e. spikinard, imported from India), which is very costly, anoints Jesus' feet with  it and wipes them with her hair. Judas says, &quot;Why wasn't this ointment sold for more than 300 dinarii and the money given to the poor.&quot; John adds that Judas really didn't care about the poor and that he was a thief. Jesus defends Mary, again saying, as in Mark and Matthew, &quot;Let her alone,&quot; and also saying, let her keep the ointment for his burial, adding that the they always have the poor with them, but they won't always have him.<br />
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For those who see the gospels as, to any degree, historical, I'd like to ask what they see as the historicity of this incident. Did all three of these anointings take place? Did it happen once, then get retold different ways? If so, which of these versions is the true one? Or, do you think, even though you take the gospels as basically historical, that the entire story was made up?</div>


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