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FatFreddy88 10th August 2012 07:19 AM

Only a disinfo agent would say that no planes hit the towers
 
Any truther who says no planes hit the towers is a government plant trying to make the truth movement look bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYedTmaHt1A
http://skoolpool.com/watch?v=HYedTmaHt1A

If those links don't work, do a YouTube search on "provocateurs,shills and disinfo agents".

Edited by LashL:  Removed link-spam.


No real truther would say that no planes hit the towers.

Start watching this video at the 4:30 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrYO0qb1o5Y

Here's some stuff about disinfo agents in case there's anybody who still hasn't seen it.
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums...pic.php?t=1222

Dog Town 10th August 2012 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526338)
trying to make the truth movement look bad.

Twoofies need no help, in this category! But, thanks for playing.:rolleyes:

Animal 10th August 2012 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526338)
Any truther who says no planes hit the towers is a government plant

Yet another troofer with an over inflated sense of self importance <YAWN>

Quote:

trying to make the truth movement look bad.
No, the troof movement does that all by themselves.
Just ask Clayton Moore.......

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Originally Posted by Clayton Moore (Post 8523222)
I can handle it from here.


carlitos 10th August 2012 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526338)

No real truther

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman

000063 10th August 2012 07:38 AM

RE: OP

Or, you know, someone who is an idiot. For example, Dr. Judy Wood has openly and repeatedly said that space lasers dood it. She's not a name on a forum, she is an actual person, with actual verifiable academic history, who is nonetheless saying something so stupid most Truthers won't even acknowledge it exists.

RedIbis, incidentally, made a claim over a year ago that was proven wrong, and refuses to retract it, or even acknowledge when people ask him about it. Ergo is nearly incapable of making a post without a straw man, a swipe at a "bedunker", or both. And that's just on this forum, off the top of my head. Truthers don't need the help making themselves look like idiots; most of them are.

dafydd 10th August 2012 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526338)
trying to make the truth movement look bad.

No comment.

dafydd 10th August 2012 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526427)
The proof that planes did hit the tower is so clear that she can only be a plant. Nobody with a college degree could be that stupid.

I take it that you have no college degree?

FatFreddy88 10th August 2012 08:01 AM

Quote:

The proof that planes did hit the tower is so clear that she can only be a plant. Nobody with a college degree could be that stupid.
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I take it that you have no college degree?
I suppose there are some people with non-science degrees who are. I take back what I said.

Captain_Swoop 10th August 2012 08:04 AM

I know people with Science degrees that I wouldn't trust to boil a kettle of water.

Expertise and specialism in one field doesn't mean someone isn't fruitloop.

dafydd 10th August 2012 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526448)
I suppose there are some people with non-science degrees who are. I take back what I said.

I was thinking about your behavior in the Apollo thread.

000063 10th August 2012 08:21 AM

Weird. The bast majority of people with science degrees believe in the moon landings and think 9/11 went more or less according to the official story.

Also, I like how you moved goalposts from "college degree" to "science degree".

Horatius 10th August 2012 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526338)
Any truther who says no planes hit the towers is a government plant trying to make the truth movement look bad.
...

No real truther would say that no planes hit the towers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526427)
The proof that planes did hit the tower is so clear that she can only be a plant. Nobody with a college degree could be that stupid. There seem to be a lot of plants such as David Shaylor.
...

These people aren't idiots. They're actors who are playing the parts of idiots to make the 9/11 truth movement look bad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526448)
I suppose there are some people with non-science degrees who are. I take back what I said.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526467)
I might be wrong about that one. She might really just be an idiot.



So, you go from no real truther could believe this, to at least one truther might be a big enough idiot to believe it. Why then is it so hard to believe that every other truther who says this is also an idiot?

We know idiots exist.

You've admitted one of the truthers might be one of those idiots.

Why then can't all the other truthers also be idiots? Why do we need to introduce the possibility of "disinfo agents", who have never been proven to exist, over the known existence of idiots?

FatFreddy88 10th August 2012 08:40 AM

Quote:

So, you go from no real truther could believe this, to at least one truther might be a big enough idiot to believe it. Why then is it so hard to believe that every other truther who says this is also an idiot?
A good litmus test is the "No plane theory". Only a disinfo agent or an idiot would hold that theory. Neither should be taken seriuosly; the press seems to concentrate on that particular group and ignore the truthers who don't have any flakey theories and only have serious theories.

Oystein 10th August 2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526338)
Any truther who says no planes hit the towers is a government plant trying to make the truth movement look bad. ...

What about those truthers who say no 757 hit the Pentagon? Are those government plants, too?

swright777 10th August 2012 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526427)
The proof that planes did hit the tower is so clear that she can only be a plant.
...

All Truthers are plants. By that I mean they have the intelligence level and reasoning skill of plants.

Mudcat 10th August 2012 09:41 AM

Foul! No True Scotsman Fallacy, opening post! Penalty, kittening!

twinstead 10th August 2012 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526338)
Any truther who says no planes hit the towers is a government plant trying to make the truth movement look bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYedTmaHt1A
http://skoolpool.com/watch?v=HYedTmaHt1A

If those links don't work, do a YouTube search on "provocateurs,shills and disinfo agents".

Edited by LashL:  Removed link spam.


No real truther would say that no planes hit the towers.

Start watching this video at the 4:30 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrYO0qb1o5Y

Here's some stuff about disinfo agents in case there's anybody who still hasn't seen it.
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums...pic.php?t=1222

How do we know YOU'RE not one?

dafydd 10th August 2012 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by twinstead (Post 8526815)
How do we know YOU'RE not one?

I'm beginning to think that he is. How did they get to you, Freddy? Blackmail or money?

nomuse 10th August 2012 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526338)
Any truther who says no planes hit the towers is a government plant trying to make the truth movement look bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYedTmaHt1A
http://skoolpool.com/watch?v=HYedTmaHt1A

If those links don't work, do a YouTube search on "provocateurs,shills and disinfo agents".

Edited by LashL:  Removed link spam.


No real truther would say that no planes hit the towers.

Start watching this video at the 4:30 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrYO0qb1o5Y

Here's some stuff about disinfo agents in case there's anybody who still hasn't seen it.
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums...pic.php?t=1222

Riight. Suuuure.

The disinfo agent is the one with the ridiculous theory.

So which of these are disinfo agents?

The ones that claim holographic airplanes?

The ones that claim real airplanes...that fired missiles?

The ones that claim energy beams?

The ones that claim the steel was turned to dust (or foam)?

The ones that argue for (ill-defined, yet magical) "nano-thermite?"

The ones that argue a micro-nuke went off in the basement?


Each of these believers says the same thing about you, "88," and whatever theory you are pushing.

The Platypus 10th August 2012 11:55 AM

All these constant claims of everyone being "disinfo agents", shows people that 911 cult kiddies are paranoid and/or stupid.

Just saying...

1337m4n 10th August 2012 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526338)
trying to make the truth movement look bad.

Out of curiosity, who would you say is making the truth movement look GOOD?

dafydd 10th August 2012 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 1337m4n (Post 8527173)
Out of curiosity, who would you say is making the truth movement look GOOD?

Ummmm........no names come to mind.

Redwood 10th August 2012 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Platypus (Post 8527067)
All these constant claims of everyone being "disinfo agents", shows people that 911 cult kiddies are paranoid and/or stupid.ee

Just saying...

Any dissident movement will attract kooks and weirdos, even one based on actual grievances. The real fun starts when you have a dissident movement based on ignorance and fallacy. The truthers are an example of the latter.

No-planers have the advantage of not having to explain how the Vast Conspiracy knew just where the Twin Towers would be hit, so they could rig the Magic Demolition Charges in just the right areas of the buildings.

"Planers" must increase the complexity to involve rigging both buildings top-to-bottom, vastly increasing the duration of the operation and increasing the risk of getting caught, or increasing the number of operators, again increasing the risk.

Alternately, "planers" argue that the planes were really remote-controlled drones precisely directed to the Twin Towers, and that the hijackings were fake, an elaborate "switcheroo" being pulled off, that the real airliners landed at a secret airbase hidden in an alfalfa field outside of Pomona Poughkeepsie while the drones took off. All as a diversion from the REAL cause of destruction, the Hush-A-Boom (TM) demolition charges!

Ryan Mackey's Inflationary Model at work! I've seen estimates of the numbers of people necessary for any coherent, linear conspiracy narrative starting with the first planning session, proceeding through to the collapse of WTC 7, and then the necessary coverups afterward, but they are all much too low, IMNSHO. When you do a rigorous estimate, the numbers spiral almost to infinity.

LashL 10th August 2012 03:50 PM

Mod WarningThis thread went off on a massive derail very quickly and I've split the off-topic stuff to Abandon All Hope. Many of the posts would be perfectly fine in a different thread or threads, so feel free to resurrect them in approrpriate threads, but in this thread, please stick to the topic, which is whether or not those who say that no planes hit the towers are 'disinfo' agents. There is no useful purpose served by having every other thread turn into a free-for-all in which the topic of the thread is lost. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation.
Posted By:LashL

dafydd 10th August 2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LashL (Post 8527591)
Mod WarningThis thread went off on a massive derail very quickly and I've split the off-topic stuff to Abandon All Hope. Many of the posts would be perfectly fine in a different thread or threads, so feel free to resurrect them in approrpriate threads, but in this thread, please stick to the topic, which is whether or not those who say that no planes hit the towers are 'disinfo' agents. There is no useful purpose served by having every other thread turn into a free-for-all in which the topic of the thread is lost. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation.
Posted By:LashL

True. Many threads recently have gone off topic very quickly, mainly due to the behaviour of, for want of a better word, woos.

Reactor drone 10th August 2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526547)
A good litmus test is the "No plane theory". Only a disinfo agent or an idiot would hold that theory. Neither should be taken seriuosly; the press seems to concentrate on that particular group and ignore the truthers who don't have any flakey theories and only have serious theories.

You're right, I've never even heard about any truther groups that don't have any flakey theories.

dafydd 10th August 2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Reactor drone (Post 8527691)
You're right, I've never even heard about any truther groups that don't have any flakey theories.

Anything that excludes 19 terrorists hijacking planes and flying them into buildings is bound to be flaky.

cjnewson88 10th August 2012 04:44 PM

The funny thing is that the no-planers say the exact same thing about people like FatFreddy :D

Redwood 10th August 2012 05:12 PM

Loonies, not disinfo agents
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LashL (Post 8527591)
Mod WarningThis thread went off on a massive derail very quickly and I've split the off-topic stuff to Abandon All Hope. Many of the posts would be perfectly fine in a different thread or threads, so feel free to resurrect them in approrpriate threads, but in this thread, please stick to the topic, which is whether or not those who say that no planes hit the towers are 'disinfo' agents. There is no useful purpose served by having every other thread turn into a free-for-all in which the topic of the thread is lost. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation.
Posted By:LashL

In a nutshell, no-planers are the loony wing of a loony movement. Their lunacy is immediately apparent, while the lunacy of the rest of the movement is less apparent, but is demonstrable by analysis. The lunacy of Holographic Planes is more obvious than the lunacy of Nano-thermite.

There are many "Planer" Truthers who are shills and opportunists, but I don't know any No-Planers who are. No-Planers such as Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds are genuinely crazy, as far as I can tell. Their pre-911 careers were relatively successful, but they've thrown their careers away. They are ignored by almost everyone. There's a heavy burden of proof on the notion that they are government agents.

For another example of someone who threw his career away on a lunatic notion, see the "Birther Colonel", Terence Lakin.

Robrob 10th August 2012 09:47 PM

I love how the different flavors of truthers all think the others are "government disinfo agents" but they still agree it's a "conspiracy!"

FatFreddy88 11th August 2012 09:35 AM

The guy they interview in this video is a phony truther.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5seOxK3kk

Edited by LashL:  Removed link-spam.


That's what real truther talk about. Any "Truther" who avoids those topics and talks about laser beams from space and the no plane theory isn't to be taken seriously. He's either a plant, or an idiot.

swright777 11th August 2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8529449)
The guy they interview in this video is a phony truther.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5seOxK3kk

Some of these people may be idiots and some of them may be plants but the media will only talk to them. They won't interview any of the truthers who put the real evidence forward.
Edited by LashL:  Removed quote of link-spam.


That's what real truther talk about. Any "Truther" who avoids those topics and talks about laser beams from space and the no plane theory isn't to be taken seriously. He's either a plant, or an idiot.

They cannot interview them. No such Truthers exist.

Redwood 11th August 2012 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8529449)
The guy they interview in this video is a phony truther.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5seOxK3kk

That person is the aforementioned Professor Morgan O. Reynolds

He's not a phony.

He's not a government agent.

He's not running a scam.

He is a lunatic.

He was once a respectable economist. He held a position in the Bush administration.

He went crazy after the Iraq invasion. He threw his career away, and now he's chasing Holographic Airplanes and Death Rays From Outer Space.

dafydd 11th August 2012 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redwood (Post 8529865)
That person is the aforementioned Professor Morgan O. Reynolds

He's not a phony.

He's not a government agent.

He's not running a scam.

He is a lunatic.

He was once a respectable economist. He held a position in the Bush administration.

He went crazy after the Iraq invasion. He threw his career away, and now he's chasing Holographic Airplanes and Death Rays From Outer Space.

He's the truthers kind of guy.

BazBear 11th August 2012 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8526338)
Any truther who says no planes hit the towers is a government plant trying to make the truth movement look bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYedTmaHt1A
http://skoolpool.com/watch?v=HYedTmaHt1A

If those links don't work, do a YouTube search on "provocateurs,shills and disinfo agents".

Edited by LashL:  Removed link-spam.


No real truther would say that no planes hit the towers.

Start watching this video at the 4:30 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrYO0qb1o5Y

Here's some stuff about disinfo agents in case there's anybody who still hasn't seen it.
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums...pic.php?t=1222

Planes don't hit buildings, people do! ;)

Robrob 11th August 2012 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 (Post 8529449)
That's what real truther talk about. Any "Truther" who avoids those topics and talks about laser beams from space and the no plane theory isn't to be taken seriously. He's either a plant, or an idiot.

One rarely sees the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy in such blunt terms.

Reactor drone 12th August 2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Robrob (Post 8528307)
I love how the different flavors of truthers all think the others are "government disinfo agents" but they still agree it's a "conspiracy!"

Like any faith based groups theirs is the only true religion but they respect other believers for at least having a belief (even if it differs in detail). They may accuse them of being agents of evil but at least they're not quite as evil as the non believers.

Robrob 12th August 2012 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Reactor drone (Post 8532858)
Like any faith based groups theirs is the only true religion but they respect other believers for at least having a belief (even if it differs in detail). They may accuse them of being agents of evil but at least they're not quite as evil as the non believers.

They are all "people of the book" except the book is written by Alex Jones! ;)

cjnewson88 1st September 2012 04:08 PM

Bump for Anders Lindman


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