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HarryKeogh · 23rd August 2005, 05:24 AM

Article on MSNBC.com about Kevin Trudeau, his Natural Cures book and current legal battles

c4ts · 23rd August 2005, 05:40 AM

There's one book I am not opposed to banning. It's sheer quackery.

Soapy Sam · 23rd August 2005, 07:48 AM

I wonder if Walgreens are heaving a sigh of relief?

Psi Baba · 23rd August 2005, 09:02 AM

It is very disturbing that no one wants to touch this book. At the very least, it's fraud in that the book doesn't seem to contain what is promised on the cover and in his infomercials. At the worst, offering bogus "cures" should be treated no differently that practicing medicine without a license. This statement regarding the FTC is just unbelievable: "But agency officials agree Trudeau has the right to write whatever he wants in a book." So that means I can publish a book that says, "Sticking pea pods up your nose will cure your cancer," and no one can do anything about that! Even if you are not selling a "product" surely offering medical advice and making medical claims must be answerable somehow. Someone should mail this guy some anthrax. Then watch how fast he runs to the hospital!

c4ts · 23rd August 2005, 09:25 AM

The whole book is one big advertisement for is website, which is probably one big advertisement for his expensive BS cures. And here he is on the informercials promoting it! Question dodging like mad.

BillHoyt · 23rd August 2005, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by c4ts
There's one book I am not opposed to banning. It's sheer quackery.

Far better to improve education to the point the book is laughed out of the marketplace of ideas.

Bronze Dog · 23rd August 2005, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BillHoyt
Far better to improve education to the point the book is laughed out of the marketplace of ideas.

Ideally, yes. Too bad it probably won't happen, though. (But I can hope, right? ...Please?)

BillHoyt · 23rd August 2005, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BronzeDog
Ideally, yes. Too bad it probably won't happen, though. (But I can hope, right? ...Please?)

*sigh* I know. Unfortunately, book-burning solutions recall Fahrenheit 451.

Eos of the Eons · 23rd August 2005, 11:50 AM

Ugh, I read the article...

Quote:

"The book has a whole chapter, chapter 6, devoted to identifying cures. There's a chart in it that identifies 50 diseases and gives a natural cure for each of them. To say it doesn't have information about cures indicates somebody hasn't read the book."

Oh really. Does it name something like "headache" and offer some herb as a remedy?

Quote:

Internet discussion boards attempting to find Dr. Yung Su Kim's herbal combination point viewers to a Web page called TheTruthAboutDiabetes.info, where readers learn about a "traditional Chinese formula" called Six Flavor Tea, recommended by a Dr. Youngsoo Kim.

So we don't know what is in the tea.

Quote:

It is important to know that people who are looking for a specific cure for a specific disease are missing the point of this book. A disease is simply a label put on a series of symptoms ... this is one of the things that medical science does not want you to know or understand," he said. He goes on to say that such labels help the pharmaceutical industry earn billions. "That topic has obviously struck a chord with millions of people

Oh really. What about the infomercial? That was the point of the infomercial, to sell a book that would provide cures for diseases. Instead, the book is full of lies and conspiracy theories. What is written in the book is complete idiocy, including a claim that sunscreen causes skin cancer.

All one can do is try to get stores to not sell it? Will the stores then get sued? People can still buy it online. Sigh. Buyer Beware.

HarryKeogh · 23rd August 2005, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
Oh really. Does it name something like "headache" and offer some herb as a remedy?

that's exactly what it does, I thumbed through it at the bookstore.

and for cancer it stresses how you should see a doctor in conjunction with the BS remedy.

it also recommends Scientology auditing to improve your outlook on life along with every type of alternative medicine under the sun.

zakur · 23rd August 2005, 03:12 PM

Story

Quote:

Trudeau argues that his book, which now sells for $17.97 on Amazon.com, wouldn't have sold 3 million copies unless it was helping people. The book ranked 16th as of Friday evening on Amazon's list of top sellers.

"Friends are telling friends who are telling friends to buy the book," he said. "People stop me on the street and hug me, thanking me for the book."

He said the regulatory agencies are acting only to protect the interests of pharmaceutical companies, he said.

"Their actions against me only show what I'm saying is true," he said.

What a scumbag.

Bronze Dog · 23rd August 2005, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Their actions against me only show what I'm saying is true.

No, independantly replicable, properly controlled, double-blind tests are the one and only thing that would show that what he's saying is true.

Ducky · 23rd August 2005, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HarryKeogh
that's exactly what it does, I thumbed through it at the bookstore.

and for cancer it stresses how you should see a doctor in conjunction with the BS remedy.

it also recommends Scientology auditing to improve your outlook on life along with every type of alternative medicine under the sun.

Seriously? Is Trudeau Co$?

That would just be perfect. two birds with one stone.

c4ts · 23rd August 2005, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HarryKeogh
that's exactly what it does, I thumbed through it at the bookstore.

and for cancer it stresses how you should see a doctor in conjunction with the BS remedy.

it also recommends Scientology auditing to improve your outlook on life along with every type of alternative medicine under the sun.

Is this guy connected with the Church of Scientology? Do they somehow wind up with his profits?

HarryKeogh · 23rd August 2005, 06:56 PM

Here's an article on Trudeau from Salon...

article

as for Trudeau and Scientology...Googling doesn't provide much data aside from people mentioning his recommendations of Scientology (including the COS Purification Rundown...y'know, where sitting in a sauna for hours on end and taking vitamins will cure you of drug addiction) in the book.

Eos of the Eons · 24th August 2005, 11:59 AM

Ol' Kev has a recommendation list of books on the net, and he does also recommend Scientology's picture book...Basic Scientology Picture Book (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...249819-3504049

Quote:

Over 150 illustrations show basic Scientology principles and how it increases spiritual freedom, ability, intelligence, knowledge of self, and gives answers to questions like "Why are we here?" "What is life?" and "How can we understand it?"

Oh, and he recommends:

Quote:

The Cure for All Diseases
by Hulda Regehr Clark

Ack!!!!

Oh, back to Kev...

Quote:

For those of you who do not know, Narconon is really a front for the religion of Scientology.

...On the recent Kevin Trudeau production that aired on CNBC and other NBC stations in February 2003 Narconon was praised highly in the UK.

A lot points to Kevbo being a scientologists, including the quotes I've seen of his "book". The book even tells people to use Scientology, to read dianetics, etc.

Quote:

In his "Natural Cures" book, Chapter "How to Never Get Sick Again", Section Heading 36, page 175, I quote:

"36. Do dianetics/scientology.

http://www.newsbackup.com/about823454.html

BillHoyt · 24th August 2005, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
What is written in the book is complete idiocy, including a claim that sunscreen causes skin cancer.

[nitpick]Actually, there may be truth here. Sunscreen ingredients only have two things in common: they emulsify or otherwise dissolve in the inert liquid, creme or gel and they fluoresce or phosphoresce. I'll bet several are arguably mutagens or carcinogens, with varying risk factors.[/nitpick]

still love me?

Eos of the Eons · 24th August 2005, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BillHoyt
[nitpick]Actually, there may be truth here. Sunscreen ingredients only have two things in common: they emulsify or otherwise dissolve in the inert liquid, creme or gel and they fluoresce or phosphoresce. I'll bet several are arguably mutagens or carcinogens, with varying risk factors.[/nitpick]

still love me?

Sure....

After you prove your claims and show why they could be mutagens. Then show us the studies that prove they do cause mutations that lead to cancer. You'd make Trudeau credible. Giddyup.

clarsct · 24th August 2005, 09:29 PM

I guess skepchicks and unconditional love don't mix...

I watched two minutes of his infomercial, felt nauseous, and changed the channel.

Got rid of my symptoms, although I think it may just be a psychosomatic effect.

And above all else, TAKE MEDICAL ADVICE FROM DOCTORS!

Thank you.

Eos of the Eons · 24th August 2005, 09:38 PM

BillHoyt · 25th August 2005, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
Sure....

After you prove your claims and show why they could be mutagens. Then show us the studies that prove they do cause mutations that lead to cancer. You'd make Trudeau credible. Giddyup.

*sigh* unrequited again... *sigh*

Eos, I wrote "I'll bet several are arguably mutagens or carcinogens, with varying risk factors."

Here's a synopsis of the research suggesting these possibilities:

"Fourth, some in vitro studies using bacteria and cell cultures showed that following irradiation, sunscreens may attack DNA to produce mutagenicity and carcinogenicity. However, in vivo studies conducted in mice showed the opposite results (i.e., use of sunscreens protected against acute and chronic UV-induced skin damage by complete inhibition of tumor or delay in its appearance). Available evidence indicates that the known benefits of sunscreens are far more significant than the potential risks these compounds may have."

Photodermatology site

Trust me, I'm not trying to support Trudeau.

Still love me?

Plognark · 25th August 2005, 12:02 PM

huh, I didn't know about the scientology connection. His idiocy makes a little more sense now, in a weird way.

Eos of the Eons · 27th August 2005, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BillHoyt
*sigh* unrequited again... *sigh*

Eos, I wrote "I'll bet several are arguably mutagens or carcinogens, with varying risk factors."

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Trust me, I'm not trying to support Trudeau.

Still love me?

Sure, I'm sure we all still love you. You're playing devil's advocate...yet at the same time you've a shown study that have varying results depending on the situation.

Seeing that, Trudeau would have to admit that, if used properly, sunscreens actually prevent cancer. will that happen? No. He'll focus on the part of the study that says something about carcinogenicity...why won't your link work?

Why is it I can only find woo sites making those claims? I can't find a legitimate study showing those compounds can cause cancer even in ridiculously high and dense amounts.

Quote:

A Sunblock is a product with a physical block and an SPF 12 or higher. Products often contain a mixture of physical and chemical block ingredients.

What is a physical and chemical block?

A chemical block has the ability to be absorbed by the skin, sunlight is rendered nil or invalid upon contact.

A physical block sits on the skin's surface and does not have the ability to be absorbed into the skin. Light is either absorbed into the sunblock material or reflected away from the body back into the atmosphere similar to a mirror or tin foil.

http://911skin.com/sunblocks.html

23rd August 2005, 05:24 AM	#1
HarryKeogh Catholic School Survivor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,342	"Best-seller â€˜Natural Curesâ€™ sparks court battle" Article on MSNBC.com about Kevin Trudeau, his Natural Cures book and current legal battles

23rd August 2005, 05:40 AM	#2
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	There's one book I am not opposed to banning. It's sheer quackery.
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23rd August 2005, 07:48 AM	#3
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,907	I wonder if Walgreens are heaving a sigh of relief?
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23rd August 2005, 09:02 AM	#4
Psi Baba Homo Skepticalis Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Occupying my barstool Posts: 3,209	It is very disturbing that no one wants to touch this book. At the very least, it's fraud in that the book doesn't seem to contain what is promised on the cover and in his infomercials. At the worst, offering bogus "cures" should be treated no differently that practicing medicine without a license. This statement regarding the FTC is just unbelievable: "But agency officials agree Trudeau has the right to write whatever he wants in a book." So that means I can publish a book that says, "Sticking pea pods up your nose will cure your cancer," and no one can do anything about that! Even if you are not selling a "product" surely offering medical advice and making medical claims must be answerable somehow. Someone should mail this guy some anthrax. Then watch how fast he runs to the hospital!
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23rd August 2005, 09:25 AM	#5
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	The whole book is one big advertisement for is website, which is probably one big advertisement for his expensive BS cures. And here he is on the informercials promoting it! Question dodging like mad.
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23rd August 2005, 09:34 AM	#6
BillHoyt Enlightening rod Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Right behind you... Posts: 5,842	Quote: Originally posted by c4ts There's one book I am not opposed to banning. It's sheer quackery. Far better to improve education to the point the book is laughed out of the marketplace of ideas.

23rd August 2005, 09:41 AM	#7
Bronze Dog Copper Alloy Canid Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Homebrew D&D Campaign Setting Posts: 5,007	Quote: Originally posted by BillHoyt Far better to improve education to the point the book is laughed out of the marketplace of ideas. Ideally, yes. Too bad it probably won't happen, though. (But I can hope, right? ...Please?)
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23rd August 2005, 09:45 AM	#8
BillHoyt Enlightening rod Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Right behind you... Posts: 5,842	Quote: Originally posted by BronzeDog Ideally, yes. Too bad it probably won't happen, though. (But I can hope, right? ...Please?) sigh I know. Unfortunately, book-burning solutions recall Fahrenheit 451.

23rd August 2005, 11:50 AM	#9
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	Ugh, I read the article... Quote: "The book has a whole chapter, chapter 6, devoted to identifying cures. There's a chart in it that identifies 50 diseases and gives a natural cure for each of them. To say it doesn't have information about cures indicates somebody hasn't read the book." Oh really. Does it name something like "headache" and offer some herb as a remedy? Quote: Internet discussion boards attempting to find Dr. Yung Su Kim's herbal combination point viewers to a Web page called TheTruthAboutDiabetes.info, where readers learn about a "traditional Chinese formula" called Six Flavor Tea, recommended by a Dr. Youngsoo Kim. So we don't know what is in the tea. Quote: It is important to know that people who are looking for a specific cure for a specific disease are missing the point of this book. A disease is simply a label put on a series of symptoms ... this is one of the things that medical science does not want you to know or understand," he said. He goes on to say that such labels help the pharmaceutical industry earn billions. "That topic has obviously struck a chord with millions of people Oh really. What about the infomercial? That was the point of the infomercial, to sell a book that would provide cures for diseases. Instead, the book is full of lies and conspiracy theories. What is written in the book is complete idiocy, including a claim that sunscreen causes skin cancer. All one can do is try to get stores to not sell it? Will the stores then get sued? People can still buy it online. Sigh. Buyer Beware.
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23rd August 2005, 12:41 PM	#10
HarryKeogh Catholic School Survivor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,342	Quote: Originally posted by Eos of the Eons Oh really. Does it name something like "headache" and offer some herb as a remedy? that's exactly what it does, I thumbed through it at the bookstore. and for cancer it stresses how you should see a doctor in conjunction with the BS remedy. it also recommends Scientology auditing to improve your outlook on life along with every type of alternative medicine under the sun.

23rd August 2005, 03:12 PM	#11
zakur Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,265	Story Quote: Trudeau argues that his book, which now sells for $17.97 on Amazon.com, wouldn't have sold 3 million copies unless it was helping people. The book ranked 16th as of Friday evening on Amazon's list of top sellers. "Friends are telling friends who are telling friends to buy the book," he said. "People stop me on the street and hug me, thanking me for the book." He said the regulatory agencies are acting only to protect the interests of pharmaceutical companies, he said. "Their actions against me only show what I'm saying is true," he said. What a scumbag.
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23rd August 2005, 03:17 PM	#12
Bronze Dog Copper Alloy Canid Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Homebrew D&D Campaign Setting Posts: 5,007	Quote: Their actions against me only show what I'm saying is true. No, independantly replicable, properly controlled, double-blind tests are the one and only thing that would show that what he's saying is true.
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23rd August 2005, 05:14 PM	#13
Ducky Titanium Puprhero Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mayor of your front lawn. Posts: 12,296	Quote: Originally posted by HarryKeogh that's exactly what it does, I thumbed through it at the bookstore. and for cancer it stresses how you should see a doctor in conjunction with the BS remedy. it also recommends Scientology auditing to improve your outlook on life along with every type of alternative medicine under the sun. Seriously? Is Trudeau Co$? That would just be perfect. two birds with one stone.

23rd August 2005, 05:56 PM	#14
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	Quote: Originally posted by HarryKeogh that's exactly what it does, I thumbed through it at the bookstore. and for cancer it stresses how you should see a doctor in conjunction with the BS remedy. it also recommends Scientology auditing to improve your outlook on life along with every type of alternative medicine under the sun. Is this guy connected with the Church of Scientology? Do they somehow wind up with his profits?
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23rd August 2005, 06:56 PM	#15
HarryKeogh Catholic School Survivor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,342	Here's an article on Trudeau from Salon... article as for Trudeau and Scientology...Googling doesn't provide much data aside from people mentioning his recommendations of Scientology (including the COS Purification Rundown...y'know, where sitting in a sauna for hours on end and taking vitamins will cure you of drug addiction) in the book.

24th August 2005, 11:59 AM	#16
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	Ol' Kev has a recommendation list of books on the net, and he does also recommend Scientology's picture book...Basic Scientology Picture Book (Paperback) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...249819-3504049 Quote: Over 150 illustrations show basic Scientology principles and how it increases spiritual freedom, ability, intelligence, knowledge of self, and gives answers to questions like "Why are we here?" "What is life?" and "How can we understand it?" Oh, and he recommends: Quote: The Cure for All Diseases by Hulda Regehr Clark Ack!!!! Oh, back to Kev... Quote: For those of you who do not know, Narconon is really a front for the religion of Scientology. ...On the recent Kevin Trudeau production that aired on CNBC and other NBC stations in February 2003 Narconon was praised highly in the UK. A lot points to Kevbo being a scientologists, including the quotes I've seen of his "book". The book even tells people to use Scientology, to read dianetics, etc. Quote: In his "Natural Cures" book, Chapter "How to Never Get Sick Again", Section Heading 36, page 175, I quote: "36. Do dianetics/scientology. http://www.newsbackup.com/about823454.html
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24th August 2005, 01:00 PM	#17
BillHoyt Enlightening rod Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Right behind you... Posts: 5,842	Quote: Originally posted by Eos of the Eons What is written in the book is complete idiocy, including a claim that sunscreen causes skin cancer. [nitpick]Actually, there may be truth here. Sunscreen ingredients only have two things in common: they emulsify or otherwise dissolve in the inert liquid, creme or gel and they fluoresce or phosphoresce. I'll bet several are arguably mutagens or carcinogens, with varying risk factors.[/nitpick] still love me?

24th August 2005, 09:14 PM	#18
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	Quote: Originally posted by BillHoyt [nitpick]Actually, there may be truth here. Sunscreen ingredients only have two things in common: they emulsify or otherwise dissolve in the inert liquid, creme or gel and they fluoresce or phosphoresce. I'll bet several are arguably mutagens or carcinogens, with varying risk factors.[/nitpick] still love me? Sure.... After you prove your claims and show why they could be mutagens. Then show us the studies that prove they do cause mutations that lead to cancer. You'd make Trudeau credible. Giddyup.
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24th August 2005, 09:29 PM	#19
clarsct Humor Impaired Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Cultural Desert Posts: 4,910	I guess skepchicks and unconditional love don't mix... I watched two minutes of his infomercial, felt nauseous, and changed the channel. Got rid of my symptoms, although I think it may just be a psychosomatic effect. And above all else, TAKE MEDICAL ADVICE FROM DOCTORS! Thank you.
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24th August 2005, 09:38 PM	#20
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894
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25th August 2005, 06:30 AM	#21
BillHoyt Enlightening rod Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Right behind you... Posts: 5,842	Quote: Originally posted by Eos of the Eons Sure.... After you prove your claims and show why they could be mutagens. Then show us the studies that prove they do cause mutations that lead to cancer. You'd make Trudeau credible. Giddyup. sigh unrequited again... sigh Eos, I wrote "I'll bet several are arguably mutagens or carcinogens, with varying risk factors." Here's a synopsis of the research suggesting these possibilities: "Fourth, some in vitro studies using bacteria and cell cultures showed that following irradiation, sunscreens may attack DNA to produce mutagenicity and carcinogenicity. However, in vivo studies conducted in mice showed the opposite results (i.e., use of sunscreens protected against acute and chronic UV-induced skin damage by complete inhibition of tumor or delay in its appearance). Available evidence indicates that the known benefits of sunscreens are far more significant than the potential risks these compounds may have." Photodermatology site Trust me, I'm not trying to support Trudeau. Still love me?

25th August 2005, 12:02 PM	#22
Plognark Student Join Date: May 2005 Location: New England Posts: 30	huh, I didn't know about the scientology connection. His idiocy makes a little more sense now, in a weird way.

27th August 2005, 01:59 PM	#23
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	Quote: Originally posted by BillHoyt sigh unrequited again... sigh Eos, I wrote "I'll bet several are arguably mutagens or carcinogens, with varying risk factors." [/url] Trust me, I'm not trying to support Trudeau. Still love me? Sure, I'm sure we all still love you. You're playing devil's advocate...yet at the same time you've a shown study that have varying results depending on the situation. Seeing that, Trudeau would have to admit that, if used properly, sunscreens actually prevent cancer. will that happen? No. He'll focus on the part of the study that says something about carcinogenicity...why won't your link work? Why is it I can only find woo sites making those claims? I can't find a legitimate study showing those compounds can cause cancer even in ridiculously high and dense amounts. Quote: A Sunblock is a product with a physical block and an SPF 12 or higher. Products often contain a mixture of physical and chemical block ingredients. What is a physical and chemical block? A chemical block has the ability to be absorbed by the skin, sunlight is rendered nil or invalid upon contact. A physical block sits on the skin's surface and does not have the ability to be absorbed into the skin. Light is either absorbed into the sunblock material or reflected away from the body back into the atmosphere similar to a mirror or tin foil. http://911skin.com/sunblocks.html
	__________________ Motion affecting a measuring device does not affect what is actually being measured, except to inaccurately measure it. the immaterial world doesn't matter, cause it ain't matter-Jeff Corey my karma ran over my dogma-vbloke The Lateral Truth: An Apostate's Bible Stories by Rebecca Bradley, read it!