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The Central Scrutinizer · 9th May 2005, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by webfusion
Wellfed's State of Mind (an actual MRI image of his brain)

Yeah <<< Sure, I've posted this before, but this thread is now a joke anyway, so I'll throw it in here once again for maximum comedic effect since I'm on Wellfed's ignore list anyway.

/Start Homer

Mmmmmmm.....waffles......slobber

/End Homer

Beleth · 9th May 2005, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wellfed
How do you excercise such discipline?

It comes from experience. This is not the first time KRAMER and I have exchanged words.

I posed a question to KRAMER that he wasn't sure of the answer to, so he asked Randi for confirmation. Randi dressed KRAMER down for asking, so KRAMER felt it necessary to dress me down for asking as well.

His flame - not "admonishment" - about my lack of reading comprehension takes on a whole new perspective when you realize that a similar "admonishment" went on between Randi and KRAMER beforehand.

I have to admit that I do wonder who on these forums he thought would reject his clarification...

KRAMER · 10th May 2005, 10:29 AM

I'm hoping that you might accept an apology from me on this issue (for the nasty tone I employed in my response), and that we can surrey forth on better terms.

That said, you DID come forward with something more like an accusation than a question. Wouldn't you admit that?

Wouldn't you also admit that you basically stated that Randi was lying? And wouldn't you be understanding of how that might make me upset?

I have promised elsewhere in the forums that I would refrain from posting when angry, and I shall hold myself to that, but I do believe that you were calling Randi a liar. Please correct me if I am mistaken, or if that is not what you meant when you said what you said.

Also, I was not "unsure of the answer" to your question. I was entirely sure, and that prompted my response. I am the Challenge guy. Tell me that you're not seriously suggesting that I was unaware of just how many applicants passed the preliminary test.

The only thing I was unsure of was how Randi would explain that sentence in FLIM-FLAM, not recalling that it was written before the Challenge became official, back when it was more informal, and for much less money.

Again, I apologize for suggesting that you couldn't read. That was quite unneccesary.

Beleth · 10th May 2005, 12:17 PM

Thank you, KRAMER.

I was couching the terms of yesterday in the definitions of today and came to an erroneous conclusion. "Passing the preliminary" means something entirely different today than it did when FLIM-FLAM! was written, and there was no way for me to know that before I asked about it.

It's like when I describe my grandmother as a computer. When she was in the work force, a computer was defined as "a person who computes", and that's what she was. The meaning of that word is different now, and so it's easy to get a humorous mental image.

I have learned from experience that there is no way to ask a question on the Internet without the possibility of someone interpreting it as an accusation. I have asked questions (on other boards) in the politest terms, surrounded by glowing praise for the abilities and honor of the person I was asking the question of, and it still got misinterpreted as being an accusation to promote some "agenda" I supposedly had. So I basically don't waste time stepping on eggshells any more. Especially when the person I'm asking has said that they are laughing so hard at me that they won't be able to sleep at night.

Likewise with calling Randi a "liar". He said one thing in FLIM-FLAM! that, using the terminology of today, was at odds with what he was saying today. It's impossible for me to phrase that in such a way that someone won't interpret it as me calling Randi a liar.

And now it's lunchtime, so I am going to cut this one short.

Wellfed · 10th May 2005, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRAMER
Aw. Poor baby.

What might your nefarious agenda be with this little gem.

patchbunny · 10th May 2005, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer
/Start Homer

Mmmmmmm.....waffles......slobber

/End Homer

But.. but... they're not Homer's patented Moon Waffles!

--Patch

webfusion · 10th May 2005, 06:46 PM

I am trying to figure out why these particular waffles have no syrup on them... it must be a Fargo idiosyncracy

KRAMER · 13th May 2005, 10:12 AM

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...threadid=56940

Powa · 13th May 2005, 12:09 PM

Personally, I'm glad that this is over. What a sordid tale it had become.

jj · 3rd November 2005, 09:59 AM

I like waffles on Saturday mornings, when I have time to make them!

Gr8wight · 3rd November 2005, 02:22 PM

Noooooooo!

j.j., how could you? How many pages deep did you have to go to ressurect this thread? There should be a punishment for that.

alfaniner · 12th December 2005, 11:10 AM

Well, since there's an update... (and sorry for bumping this thread, but it's for all you who missed it the first time around).

Update to the Challenge communications

hellaeon · 12th December 2005, 05:11 PM

Edit: hahaha just noticed the LAST of the thread discussion between the applicant and randi etc.
withdrawing message!

9th May 2005, 08:06 PM	#1121
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,277	Re: MRI waffle Quote: Originally posted by webfusion Wellfed's State of Mind (an actual MRI image of his brain) Yeah <<< Sure, I've posted this before, but this thread is now a joke anyway, so I'll throw it in here once again for maximum comedic effect since I'm on Wellfed's ignore list anyway. /Start Homer Mmmmmmm.....waffles......slobber /End Homer
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9th May 2005, 09:48 PM	#1122
Beleth FAQ Creator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Not in a cave Posts: 4,134	Re: Re: Re: STUPID? Quote: Originally posted by Wellfed How do you excercise such discipline? It comes from experience. This is not the first time KRAMER and I have exchanged words. I posed a question to KRAMER that he wasn't sure of the answer to, so he asked Randi for confirmation. Randi dressed KRAMER down for asking, so KRAMER felt it necessary to dress me down for asking as well. His flame - not "admonishment" - about my lack of reading comprehension takes on a whole new perspective when you realize that a similar "admonishment" went on between Randi and KRAMER beforehand. I have to admit that I do wonder who on these forums he thought would reject his clarification...
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10th May 2005, 10:29 AM	#1123
KRAMER Former challenge facilitator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,443	Sorry, Beleth I'm hoping that you might accept an apology from me on this issue (for the nasty tone I employed in my response), and that we can surrey forth on better terms. That said, you DID come forward with something more like an accusation than a question. Wouldn't you admit that? Wouldn't you also admit that you basically stated that Randi was lying? And wouldn't you be understanding of how that might make me upset? I have promised elsewhere in the forums that I would refrain from posting when angry, and I shall hold myself to that, but I do believe that you were calling Randi a liar. Please correct me if I am mistaken, or if that is not what you meant when you said what you said. Also, I was not "unsure of the answer" to your question. I was entirely sure, and that prompted my response. I am the Challenge guy. Tell me that you're not seriously suggesting that I was unaware of just how many applicants passed the preliminary test. The only thing I was unsure of was how Randi would explain that sentence in FLIM-FLAM, not recalling that it was written before the Challenge became official, back when it was more informal, and for much less money. Again, I apologize for suggesting that you couldn't read. That was quite unneccesary.
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10th May 2005, 12:17 PM	#1124
Beleth FAQ Creator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Not in a cave Posts: 4,134	Thank you, KRAMER. I was couching the terms of yesterday in the definitions of today and came to an erroneous conclusion. "Passing the preliminary" means something entirely different today than it did when FLIM-FLAM! was written, and there was no way for me to know that before I asked about it. It's like when I describe my grandmother as a computer. When she was in the work force, a computer was defined as "a person who computes", and that's what she was. The meaning of that word is different now, and so it's easy to get a humorous mental image. I have learned from experience that there is no way to ask a question on the Internet without the possibility of someone interpreting it as an accusation. I have asked questions (on other boards) in the politest terms, surrounded by glowing praise for the abilities and honor of the person I was asking the question of, and it still got misinterpreted as being an accusation to promote some "agenda" I supposedly had. So I basically don't waste time stepping on eggshells any more. Especially when the person I'm asking has said that they are laughing so hard at me that they won't be able to sleep at night. Likewise with calling Randi a "liar". He said one thing in FLIM-FLAM! that, using the terminology of today, was at odds with what he was saying today. It's impossible for me to phrase that in such a way that someone won't interpret it as me calling Randi a liar. And now it's lunchtime, so I am going to cut this one short.
	__________________ Administrator and Head Moderator, The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe Forum Big Fan, Stop Sylvia Browne I will come back only after the words "Hi, Nyarl!" are returned to the post http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...5&postcount=14 .

10th May 2005, 01:27 PM	#1125
Wellfed Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 427	Re: Re: . Quote: Originally posted by KRAMER Aw. Poor baby. What might your nefarious agenda be with this little gem.
Wellfed Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 427

10th May 2005, 05:43 PM	#1126
patchbunny Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2004 Location: Right about... here. Posts: 1,552	Re: Re: MRI waffle Quote: Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer /Start Homer Mmmmmmm.....waffles......slobber /End Homer But.. but... they're not Homer's patented Moon Waffles! --Patch

10th May 2005, 06:46 PM	#1127
webfusion Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Near I-95 Posts: 6,216	no syrup I am trying to figure out why these particular waffles have no syrup on them... it must be a Fargo idiosyncracy

13th May 2005, 10:12 AM	#1128
KRAMER Former challenge facilitator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,443	http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...threadid=56940
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13th May 2005, 12:09 PM	#1129
Powa to the people Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Slovenia Posts: 7,589	Personally, I'm glad that this is over. What a sordid tale it had become.
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3rd November 2005, 09:59 AM	#1130
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,513	I like waffles on Saturday mornings, when I have time to make them!
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3rd November 2005, 02:22 PM	#1131
Gr8wight red-shirted crewman Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,641	Noooooooo! j.j., how could you? How many pages deep did you have to go to ressurect this thread? There should be a punishment for that.
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12th December 2005, 11:10 AM	#1132
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 11,387	Well, since there's an update... (and sorry for bumping this thread, but it's for all you who missed it the first time around). Update to the Challenge communications
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12th December 2005, 05:11 PM	#1133
hellaeon Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: City of Burning Churches, Australia Posts: 1,493	Edit: hahaha just noticed the LAST of the thread discussion between the applicant and randi etc. withdrawing message!
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