Religious discrimination?

Nyarlathotep · 3rd March 2006, 01:51 PM

It appears that a dead soldier may have symbols of his faith put official government memorials, PROVIDED he belongs to oneof 30 'approved faiths'. Wiccans, apparently, are not 'approved'.

Fallen Guardsman's Wiccan faith unrecognized

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Patrick Stewart's dog tags, which Roberta Stewart wears around her neck, carry the word Wiccan on them to identify his religious beliefs. But, she said, he was never told the Wiccan religion was not officially recognized during his 13 years of military service in different capacities.

"By they way, if you die for your country, your religion won't be recognized, that would be nice to know," Roberta Stewart said.

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs and its National Cemetery Administration prohibit graphics on government-furnished headstones or markers other than those they have approved as "emblems of belief." More than 30 such emblems are allowed on gravestones and makers in veterans cemeteries, from the Christian cross to the Buddhist wheel of righteousness. A symbol exists for atheists too.

Personally, I think Wiccans are as deluded as Christians, Muslims, etc. But isn't having an 'approved list' of faiths promoting those faiths? ANd if the family wants a pentacle on his memorial, why not?

Scot C. Trypal · 3rd March 2006, 02:46 PM

Sad, you’d think when that sort of sacrifice is made the military would make any emblem available.

I have to wonder, what are the 30 recognized emblems?

1 Crescent
2 Cross
3 6 point star (but no 5 points star?)
4 Yin and Yang?
5 Buddhist wheel of righteousness
6 The mentioned symbol for atheists (what is it?)
5 Tom Cruise

And what else?

Also, is the Wiccan religion tax exempt?

Nyarlathotep · 3rd March 2006, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Scot C. Trypal

Sad, you’d think when that sort of sacrifice is made the military would make any emblem available.

I would think so too, and that is one of my problems with the military's stance on this. His family's wishes should be respected in this matter. And it's not like he is a member of some made up religion, there are a lot of wiccans in the country and I seriously doubt he is the only one in the entire US military.

Manny · 3rd March 2006, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Scot C. Trypal

I have to wonder, what are the 30 recognized emblems?

Ask, and ye shall receive. There's also a protocol for submitting requests for new designs, but for some reason the .pdf won't open for me.

Check out what we got! Hahahahahaha!

Mark · 3rd March 2006, 03:28 PM

Did the Flying Spaghetti Monster make the list?

CapelDodger · 3rd March 2006, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by manny

Ask, and ye shall receive. There's also a protocol for submitting requests for new designs, but for some reason the .pdf won't open for me.

"Not shown because of copyrights"?! WHAT? Do they put the circle-c on the gravestone? I thought I was unshockable by now.

The cemetery above Omaha beach goes on and on, field after field. It's a beautiful place, with trees and hedges, not one vast array, but still overwhelming. One thing that struck me very powerfully was the scattering of Stars of David amongst the crosses. Not because of the symbol itself, but the way it brought home the individuality of each of those graves. Their particular meaning to their families, their friends, or even to no-one - which is a story in itself.

I wouldn't want such a place to be a cacophony of trivial fads - "Goth", for instance. I would never want another such place to have to exist. But Wicca is not a trivial fad, it's just probably a passing one. They should have their place.

Nyarlathotep · 3rd March 2006, 03:39 PM

One very encouraging sign.

I sometimes read the comments section of the stories that make the online version of the Nevada Appeal. Sometimes it seems there are a lot of fundies that comment on stories like this. However, not a single comment on that story was anything to the effect of 'WICCANS ARE EEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIL!!!!!'. In fact every single one of the comments was to the effect of 'If that's what he and his family want, that's what they should have'. Because frankly, I was expecting at least ONE bozo to harp on the old 'This is a Christian Country, blah blah blah' line of bull. I am very happy that I was wrong in this case. No one has been anything but decent and respectful when commenting on this story.

Nyarlathotep · 3rd March 2006, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by CapelDodger

"Not shown because of copyrights"?! WHAT? Do they put the circle-c on the gravestone? I thought I was unshockable by now.

What is weirder is that if you read the application to have a symbol added to the list, it says that submitted symbols can't have copyright restrictions. So that makes it all the more weird.

ceo_esq · 3rd March 2006, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep

However, not a single comment on that story was anything to the effect of 'WICCANS ARE EEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIL!!!!!'. In fact every single one of the comments was to the effect of 'If that's what he and his family want, that's what they should have'. Because frankly, I was expecting at least ONE bozo to harp on the old 'This is a Christian Country, blah blah blah' line of bull. I am very happy that I was wrong in this case. No one has been anything but decent and respectful when commenting on this story.

This sometimes comes as a surprise to people, but in fact conservative Christians tend to be among the most reliable defenders of the constitutional rights of practitioners of minority religions.

Mark · 3rd March 2006, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by ceo_esq

This sometimes comes as a surprise to people, but in fact conservative Christians tend to be among the most reliable defenders of the constitutional rights of practitioners of minority religions.

Christians, yes. But conservative Christians? Not in my experience; I readily grant that yours may be different, though.

JamesDillon · 3rd March 2006, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by CapelDodger

But Wicca is not a trivial fad, it's just probably a passing one. They should have their place.

The same could be said for Christianity. Who are you, or the government, or anyone else, to decide whose sincere religious beliefs are "trivial" and whose are not? Clearly, if the deceased wants the symbol of a particular belief on his or her grave stone, that belief is not trivial to him or her.

TragicMonkey · 3rd March 2006, 04:25 PM

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A symbol exists for atheists too.

What's the atheist symbol?

Nyarlathotep · 3rd March 2006, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

What's the atheist symbol?

An Atom with an A in the center. It is the symbol that the 'American Atheists' organization uses, IIRC. Thought to me it looks like the symbol for a cheesy superhero, so I for one wouldn't wan't it.

TragicMonkey · 3rd March 2006, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep

An Atom with an A in the center. It is the symbol that the 'American Atheists' organization uses, IIRC. Thought to me it looks like the symbol for a cheesy superhero, so I for one wouldn't wan't it.

I'd prefer something more dignified:

A grinning monkey sitting atop a globe, waving a bloody sword in one hand and using the other to fling a human skull into a gem-encrusted toilet perced atop a flaming tree. With crossed lightning bolts in the background.

Mrs. Hmmphries · 3rd March 2006, 04:48 PM

SUPER-Atheist!!!!

ceo_esq · 3rd March 2006, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Mark

Christians, yes. But conservative Christians? Not in my experience; I readily grant that yours may be different, though.

A quiz I've posed before on the forum goes something like this: pick any reasonably high-profile Free Exercise dispute in recent years specifically involving a minority religion and try to guess which side the major CC players (the National Association of Evangelicals, the Christian Legal Society, and so forth) came down on. The answer is usually that they favored the side of the minority religion and its practitioners. Remember U.S. v. Hardman, concerning whether the government must let bona fide practitioners of Native American religions use eagle feathers in their ceremonies? Or the Uniao do Vegetal case, where a strange Brazilian sect's rituals employed controlled substances? Or Jones v. Jones, where an Indiana trial judge had directed two parents to shelter their son from Wiccan beliefs and rituals? Conservative Christian groups threw their weight behind the fringe religion's practitioners each time.

ceo_esq · 3rd March 2006, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

A grinning monkey sitting atop a globe, waving a bloody sword in one hand and using the other to fling a human skull into a gem-encrusted toilet perced atop a flaming tree. With crossed lightning bolts in the background.

We're gonna need a bigger headstone!

KelvinG · 3rd March 2006, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by ceo_esq

This sometimes comes as a surprise to people, but in fact conservative Christians tend to be among the most reliable defenders of the constitutional rights of practitioners of minority religions.

Perhaps it's because they believe that a religion that is different is better than no religion at all.
Conservative Christians are pretty rare in my neck of the woods, I admit, but it seems to me that it's us non-religious types they have the most problem with.

TragicMonkey · 3rd March 2006, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by ceo_esq

We're gonna need a bigger headstone!

I was thinking, holographic projection. Fifty feet high. I'm all about dignity.

ceo_esq · 3rd March 2006, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I was thinking, holographic projection. Fifty feet high. I'm all about dignity.

And nothing says "dignity" better than a giant funerary monkey hologram. Nothing, that is, except possibly a giant funerary monkey hologram with looped theme music piped through loudspeakers.

CapelDodger · 3rd March 2006, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by JamesDillon

The same could be said for Christianity. Who are you, or the government, or anyone else, to decide whose sincere religious beliefs are "trivial" and whose are not?

Christianity may well have been judged as "passing" in an earlier era. Cestus was of that mind, but he didn't regard it as trivial, otherwise he wouldn't have bothered to mock and attack it. Wicca is clearly not trivial in this time. And soldiers die in their own time's wars.

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Clearly, if the deceased wants the symbol of a particular belief on his or her grave stone, that belief is not trivial to him or her.

The belief of the deceased is meaningless because the dead can't believe.

CapelDodger · 3rd March 2006, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I'd prefer something more dignified:

Not representative of the human experience.

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A grinning monkey sitting atop a globe, waving a bloody sword in one hand and using the other to fling a human skull into a gem-encrusted toilet perced atop a flaming tree. With crossed lightning bolts in the background.

No recognition for the geeks? Or perhaps this is from some nightmare D&D scenario, where geek is god and the symbol is the message?

TragicMonkey · 3rd March 2006, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by ceo_esq

And nothing says "dignity" better than a giant funerary monkey hologram. Nothing, that is, except possibly a giant funerary monkey hologram with looped theme music piped through loudspeakers.

Well, I was thinking that all of that would be kinda pricey, so it would make sense to finance it by selling advertising space. And perhaps the monkey should bellow out slogans periodically, for Geico or Nike.

ceo_esq · 3rd March 2006, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Well, I was thinking that all of that would be kinda pricey, so it would make sense to finance it by selling advertising space. And perhaps the monkey should bellow out slogans periodically, for Geico or Nike.

A person's got to think about the legacy he wants to leave behind, after all.

TimmyBerry · 3rd March 2006, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by madmonk76

Is that single (not-yellow, thankfully) arch bothering anyone else?

ceo_esq · 3rd March 2006, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by TimmyBerry

Is that single (not-yellow, thankfully) arch bothering anyone else?

Is it an arch? I assumed it was a middle finger.

TimmyBerry · 3rd March 2006, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by ceo_esq

Is it an arch? I assumed it was a middle finger.

... You may be onto something here...

3rd March 2006, 01:51 PM	#1
Nyarlathotep Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 7,514	Religious discrimination? It appears that a dead soldier may have symbols of his faith put official government memorials, PROVIDED he belongs to oneof 30 'approved faiths'. Wiccans, apparently, are not 'approved'. Fallen Guardsman's Wiccan faith unrecognized You may have to register, if so you can use email: nobug@bugmenot.com password: nobug Quote: Patrick Stewart's dog tags, which Roberta Stewart wears around her neck, carry the word Wiccan on them to identify his religious beliefs. But, she said, he was never told the Wiccan religion was not officially recognized during his 13 years of military service in different capacities. "By they way, if you die for your country, your religion won't be recognized, that would be nice to know," Roberta Stewart said. The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs and its National Cemetery Administration prohibit graphics on government-furnished headstones or markers other than those they have approved as "emblems of belief." More than 30 such emblems are allowed on gravestones and makers in veterans cemeteries, from the Christian cross to the Buddhist wheel of righteousness. A symbol exists for atheists too. Personally, I think Wiccans are as deluded as Christians, Muslims, etc. But isn't having an 'approved list' of faiths promoting those faiths? ANd if the family wants a pentacle on his memorial, why not?
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3rd March 2006, 02:46 PM	#2
Scot C. Trypal Muse Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 708	Sad, you’d think when that sort of sacrifice is made the military would make any emblem available. I have to wonder, what are the 30 recognized emblems? 1 Crescent 2 Cross 3 6 point star (but no 5 points star?) 4 Yin and Yang? 5 Buddhist wheel of righteousness 6 The mentioned symbol for atheists (what is it?) 5 Tom Cruise And what else? Also, is the Wiccan religion tax exempt?
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3rd March 2006, 02:56 PM	#3
Nyarlathotep Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 7,514	Originally Posted by Scot C. Trypal Sad, you’d think when that sort of sacrifice is made the military would make any emblem available. I would think so too, and that is one of my problems with the military's stance on this. His family's wishes should be respected in this matter. And it's not like he is a member of some made up religion, there are a lot of wiccans in the country and I seriously doubt he is the only one in the entire US military.
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3rd March 2006, 03:09 PM	#4
Manny Illuminator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,295	Originally Posted by Scot C. Trypal I have to wonder, what are the 30 recognized emblems? Ask, and ye shall receive. There's also a protocol for submitting requests for new designs, but for some reason the .pdf won't open for me. Check out what we got! Hahahahahaha!
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3rd March 2006, 03:37 PM	#6
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 16,741	Originally Posted by manny Ask, and ye shall receive. There's also a protocol for submitting requests for new designs, but for some reason the .pdf won't open for me. "Not shown because of copyrights"?! WHAT? Do they put the circle-c on the gravestone? I thought I was unshockable by now. The cemetery above Omaha beach goes on and on, field after field. It's a beautiful place, with trees and hedges, not one vast array, but still overwhelming. One thing that struck me very powerfully was the scattering of Stars of David amongst the crosses. Not because of the symbol itself, but the way it brought home the individuality of each of those graves. Their particular meaning to their families, their friends, or even to no-one - which is a story in itself. I wouldn't want such a place to be a cacophony of trivial fads - "Goth", for instance. I would never want another such place to have to exist. But Wicca is not a trivial fad, it's just probably a passing one. They should have their place.
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3rd March 2006, 03:39 PM	#7
Nyarlathotep Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 7,514	One very encouraging sign. I sometimes read the comments section of the stories that make the online version of the Nevada Appeal. Sometimes it seems there are a lot of fundies that comment on stories like this. However, not a single comment on that story was anything to the effect of 'WICCANS ARE EEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIL!!!!!'. In fact every single one of the comments was to the effect of 'If that's what he and his family want, that's what they should have'. Because frankly, I was expecting at least ONE bozo to harp on the old 'This is a Christian Country, blah blah blah' line of bull. I am very happy that I was wrong in this case. No one has been anything but decent and respectful when commenting on this story.
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3rd March 2006, 03:43 PM	#8
Nyarlathotep Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 7,514	Originally Posted by CapelDodger "Not shown because of copyrights"?! WHAT? Do they put the circle-c on the gravestone? I thought I was unshockable by now. What is weirder is that if you read the application to have a symbol added to the list, it says that submitted symbols can't have copyright restrictions. So that makes it all the more weird.
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ceo_esq Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,940	Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep However, not a single comment on that story was anything to the effect of 'WICCANS ARE EEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIL!!!!!'. In fact every single one of the comments was to the effect of 'If that's what he and his family want, that's what they should have'. Because frankly, I was expecting at least ONE bozo to harp on the old 'This is a Christian Country, blah blah blah' line of bull. I am very happy that I was wrong in this case. No one has been anything but decent and respectful when commenting on this story. This sometimes comes as a surprise to people, but in fact conservative Christians tend to be among the most reliable defenders of the constitutional rights of practitioners of minority religions.
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3rd March 2006, 04:02 PM	#10
Mark Former Spinal Tap Drummer Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,529	Originally Posted by ceo_esq This sometimes comes as a surprise to people, but in fact conservative Christians tend to be among the most reliable defenders of the constitutional rights of practitioners of minority religions. Christians, yes. But conservative Christians? Not in my experience; I readily grant that yours may be different, though.
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JamesDillon Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,631	Originally Posted by CapelDodger But Wicca is not a trivial fad, it's just probably a passing one. They should have their place. The same could be said for Christianity. Who are you, or the government, or anyone else, to decide whose sincere religious beliefs are "trivial" and whose are not? Clearly, if the deceased wants the symbol of a particular belief on his or her grave stone, that belief is not trivial to him or her.
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TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,070	Quote: A symbol exists for atheists too. What's the atheist symbol?
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Nyarlathotep Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 7,514	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey What's the atheist symbol? An Atom with an A in the center. It is the symbol that the 'American Atheists' organization uses, IIRC. Thought to me it looks like the symbol for a cheesy superhero, so I for one wouldn't wan't it.
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TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,070	Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep An Atom with an A in the center. It is the symbol that the 'American Atheists' organization uses, IIRC. Thought to me it looks like the symbol for a cheesy superhero, so I for one wouldn't wan't it. I'd prefer something more dignified: A grinning monkey sitting atop a globe, waving a bloody sword in one hand and using the other to fling a human skull into a gem-encrusted toilet perced atop a flaming tree. With crossed lightning bolts in the background.
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ceo_esq Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,940	Originally Posted by Mark Christians, yes. But conservative Christians? Not in my experience; I readily grant that yours may be different, though. A quiz I've posed before on the forum goes something like this: pick any reasonably high-profile Free Exercise dispute in recent years specifically involving a minority religion and try to guess which side the major CC players (the National Association of Evangelicals, the Christian Legal Society, and so forth) came down on. The answer is usually that they favored the side of the minority religion and its practitioners. Remember U.S. v. Hardman, concerning whether the government must let bona fide practitioners of Native American religions use eagle feathers in their ceremonies? Or the Uniao do Vegetal case, where a strange Brazilian sect's rituals employed controlled substances? Or Jones v. Jones, where an Indiana trial judge had directed two parents to shelter their son from Wiccan beliefs and rituals? Conservative Christian groups threw their weight behind the fringe religion's practitioners each time.
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3rd March 2006, 04:53 PM	#17
ceo_esq Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,940	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey A grinning monkey sitting atop a globe, waving a bloody sword in one hand and using the other to fling a human skull into a gem-encrusted toilet perced atop a flaming tree. With crossed lightning bolts in the background. We're gonna need a bigger headstone!
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3rd March 2006, 04:55 PM	#18
KelvinG Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,379	Originally Posted by ceo_esq This sometimes comes as a surprise to people, but in fact conservative Christians tend to be among the most reliable defenders of the constitutional rights of practitioners of minority religions. Perhaps it's because they believe that a religion that is different is better than no religion at all. Conservative Christians are pretty rare in my neck of the woods, I admit, but it seems to me that it's us non-religious types they have the most problem with.
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3rd March 2006, 05:00 PM	#19
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,070	Originally Posted by ceo_esq We're gonna need a bigger headstone! I was thinking, holographic projection. Fifty feet high. I'm all about dignity.
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3rd March 2006, 05:18 PM	#20
ceo_esq Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,940	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I was thinking, holographic projection. Fifty feet high. I'm all about dignity. And nothing says "dignity" better than a giant funerary monkey hologram. Nothing, that is, except possibly a giant funerary monkey hologram with looped theme music piped through loudspeakers.
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CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 16,741	Originally Posted by JamesDillon The same could be said for Christianity. Who are you, or the government, or anyone else, to decide whose sincere religious beliefs are "trivial" and whose are not? Christianity may well have been judged as "passing" in an earlier era. Cestus was of that mind, but he didn't regard it as trivial, otherwise he wouldn't have bothered to mock and attack it. Wicca is clearly not trivial in this time. And soldiers die in their own time's wars. Quote: Clearly, if the deceased wants the symbol of a particular belief on his or her grave stone, that belief is not trivial to him or her. The belief of the deceased is meaningless because the dead can't believe.
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3rd March 2006, 05:31 PM	#22
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 16,741	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I'd prefer something more dignified: Not representative of the human experience. Quote: A grinning monkey sitting atop a globe, waving a bloody sword in one hand and using the other to fling a human skull into a gem-encrusted toilet perced atop a flaming tree. With crossed lightning bolts in the background. No recognition for the geeks? Or perhaps this is from some nightmare D&D scenario, where geek is god and the symbol is the message?
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3rd March 2006, 05:53 PM	#23
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,070	Originally Posted by ceo_esq And nothing says "dignity" better than a giant funerary monkey hologram. Nothing, that is, except possibly a giant funerary monkey hologram with looped theme music piped through loudspeakers. Well, I was thinking that all of that would be kinda pricey, so it would make sense to finance it by selling advertising space. And perhaps the monkey should bellow out slogans periodically, for Geico or Nike.
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3rd March 2006, 06:30 PM	#24
ceo_esq Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,940	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Well, I was thinking that all of that would be kinda pricey, so it would make sense to finance it by selling advertising space. And perhaps the monkey should bellow out slogans periodically, for Geico or Nike. A person's got to think about the legacy he wants to leave behind, after all.
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TimmyBerry Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The armpit of the tornado valley Posts: 255	Originally Posted by madmonk76 Is that single (not-yellow, thankfully) arch bothering anyone else?
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3rd March 2006, 06:43 PM	#26
ceo_esq Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,940	Originally Posted by TimmyBerry Is that single (not-yellow, thankfully) arch bothering anyone else? Is it an arch? I assumed it was a middle finger.
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3rd March 2006, 07:02 PM	#27
TimmyBerry Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The armpit of the tornado valley Posts: 255	Originally Posted by ceo_esq Is it an arch? I assumed it was a middle finger. ... You may be onto something here...
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