A scale model of the Twin Towers - Page 4

Architect · 11th September 2006, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

Dog misunderstood

Many have been trying very hard to get the blueprints. Nobody is releasing them. Not the port authority. Not Silverstein. Not the Feds. Not Leslie Robertson's firm. Nobody. They've gone missing. maybe there were no drawings, maybe they just winged it.

Well in the UK, any proposals have to get a Building Warrant (or Buildings Regulations Approval, depending on where you are) in order to show compliance with statutory codes. Of course they're not the construction drawings, but they're still pretty detailed. These are then public documents, and can be FOIed in the normal manner.

Don't you Americans have a similar system?

I should note, however, that in the UK there would be an FoI exemption for particularly security-sensitive sites.

Oliver · 13th September 2006, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

I sent this to them -

Dear Sir or Madam:

Will you please tell me how I can purchase a complete set of detailed structural drawings of the twin towers? Let me know how much and where to send it, and I will forward the money.

Thank You,

I'll let you all know how that goes.

What was the response?

einsteen · 13th September 2006, 03:42 PM

A scale model will not work, because the physical behavior is not invariant under scaling.

Imagine you are enlarged a factor 2, then your weight becomes 2^3=8 times more, but the area of your muscles and strength only enlarges by 2^2=4 ===> problem.

You can however emulate/simulate ? a scale model if you use different densities/strengts/whatever and give it a different g value by accelerating it

TruthSeeker1234 · 13th September 2006, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

I sent this to them -

Dear Sir or Madam:

Will you please tell me how I can purchase a complete set of detailed structural drawings of the twin towers? Let me know how much and where to send it, and I will forward the money.

Thank You,

I'll let you all know how that goes.

What was the response?

No response yet. I'm not holding my breath. As I said, many researches have tried very hard to get them. I wonder why they are so secret? Could it be that "they" don't want anyone to be able to build an accurate model of a twin tower?

Bell · 13th September 2006, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

What was the response?

No response yet. I'm not holding my breath. As I said, many researches have tried very hard to get them. I wonder why they are so secret? Could it be that "they" don't want anyone to be able to build an accurate model of a twin tower?

Yes, absolutely. You are absolutely right.

Dog Town · 13th September 2006, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Could it be that "they" don't want anyone to be able to build an accurate model of a twin tower?

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I feel ya TAM !

apathoid · 13th September 2006, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Dog Town

I feel ya TAM !

TAM has the right idea about not debating the clownshoes anymore. I really can't think of anything that is less productive, perhaps teaching a 2 year old semi-retarded chimp Calculus would be more futile, hard to say.

Alareth · 13th September 2006, 06:04 PM

One scale model coming right up

Dog Town · 13th September 2006, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by apathoid

TAM has the right idea about not debating the clownshoes anymore. I really can't think of anything that is less productive, perhaps teaching a 2 year old semi-retarded chimp Calculus would be more futile, hard to say.

Hell that would be much easier! The chimp wants to use its brain, just not sure how! Cters seem to know how, but CHOOSE not to!

Oliver · 14th September 2006, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

No response yet. I'm not holding my breath. As I said, many researches have tried very hard to get them.

I wonder why they are so secret? Could it be that "they" don't want anyone to be able to build an accurate model of a twin tower?

Could it be that you spend to much time in here to think
in such a "conspirational" way? :-D

Brainache · 14th September 2006, 06:25 AM

This was posted in the Loose Change thread. Is this what you were looking for?

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4...Sozen.WTC.html

Maybe you could get in touch with the guys who made this computer model and ask where they got the plans for the WTC.

gumboot · 14th September 2006, 06:38 AM

Not directly related...

But have a look at this.

I am utterly stunned. This guy has created an entire 3D computer model of the WTC complex. And I mean ENTIRE. He even has the escalators etc... it's truely incredible.

Here's a picture of the wire frame to give you an idea of the detail. He appears to intend to do the underground stuff and everything.

-Andrew

KingMerv00 · 14th September 2006, 06:46 AM

I'd like to see it. What the hell...it would probably be interesting.

Hellbound · 14th September 2006, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

DHR repeated

This is what NIST claim, yes. But NIST also claim that "thousands of pounds" of explosives would be needed to demolish the towers.

Clearly this is a contradiction. If a local collapse can lead to complete destruction, then all a demolition would need to do is cut the support columns at one floor, and let gravity take over.

Anybody care to reconcile those two NIST claims?

I will.

First, not any local collapse will lead to a global collapse. You need an entire floor to collapse, with several floors above it, and pretty much fail the whole floor at the same time (so the mass above that floor drops together as a live load). On 9/11 this was accomplished by:

1) The impact of a jet airliner, with an estimated energy yeild (from kinetic energy alone, not counting the ignition of jet fuel) equivalent to 4,000 to 6,000 lbs. of TNT.

2) Subsequent fires, which weakened the remaining support columns...columns that were already over-stressed due to the removal of many columns by event 1.

By examining the structural properties of steel, and the average size of the support colums in the WTC, I've calculated that you'd need thousands of pounds of explosives to cut the supports sufficiently to cause collapse of a single floor. Just over 3,000 lbs. of C-4 as a matter of fact (over 4,000 lbs. of TNT). Although, technically, if you used shaped charges, had direct access to the steel core and exterior columns (meaning cutting into walls), and only took out just enough of the columns to have a good chance of collapse (instead of taking them all out) you could get it just below 1,000 lbs. of explosive, if you're lucky. More realistically you'd still need 1500 to 2000 lbs. Even more realistically you'd have to limit your placements to areas that could be concealed and accessed, which would mean non-optimal placement and would also limit the ability to use shaped cutting charges...so I'd revise that estimate to 2,000 lbs. as a ballpark figure.

You'd need hundreds of tons to cut supports on all floors, or for a typical CD situation.

Of course, I've actually done some of the calculation on this, using information that is not that difficult to obtain. A bit easier for me, as I've had some demolitions training and experience, but anyone can get the data. But, as with most of the "Truth Seekers", spending a few days getting in touch with people who know demolition, and finding the sizes of the columns, the equations governing charge sizes, and doing a bit of multiplication is too much work...the 3,000 who died isn't worth that to you, eh?

Oliver · 24th September 2006, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

I sent this to them -

Quote:

Dear Sir or Madam:

Will you please tell me how I can purchase a complete set of detailed structural drawings of the twin towers? Let me know how much and where to send it, and I will forward the money.

Thank You,

I'll let you all know how that goes.

What did they say?

qarnos · 24th September 2006, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

No response yet. I'm not holding my breath. As I said, many researches have tried very hard to get them. I wonder why they are so secret? Could it be that "they" don't want anyone to be able to build an accurate model of a twin tower?

Bolding mine.

Just a quick question... how hard is "tried very hard"? After all, you came on here bitching and moaning about the plans for goodness knows how long before we discovered you hadn't even tried to get them.

Does "tried very hard" mean sending an e-mail?

sleahead · 25th September 2006, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234
No response yet. I'm not holding my breath. As I said, many researches have tried very hard to get them. I wonder why they are so secret? Could it be that "they" don't want anyone to be able to build an accurate model of a twin tower?

BS1234 should talk to Dylan Avery. Months ago, in the LC forum, Avery stated that blueprints would be in his hands imminently. They should have a talk, BSer to BSer.

Bell · 25th September 2006, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by qarnos

Bolding mine.

Just a quick question... how hard is "tried very hard"? After all, you came on here bitching and moaning about the plans for goodness knows how long before we discovered you hadn't even tried to get them.

Does "tried very hard" mean sending an e-mail?

I think "tried very hard" means that everytime the owner of the blueprints told him they would send them, he wanted something more. Like full size. Printed in gold. On the hide of an elephant. And wanted to publish it. Much like the BS101 $1000.00 challenge.

TruthSeeker1234 · 25th September 2006, 01:30 PM

Purdue emailed back.

Quote:

Dear Mr. TruthSeeker1234,

at this point we do not have plans to extend the time interval.

Sincerely, Chris Hoffmann

______________________
Christoph M. Hoffmann
Computer Science, Purdue University
West Lafayette, IN 47907
ph: 765-494-6185, fax: 765-494-0739
www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh
______________________

-----Original Message-----
From: TruthSeeker1234
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:49 PM
To: venere@purdue.edu; Chris Hoffmann; Voicu Popescu; ayhan@purdue.edu;
purduenews@purdue.edu
Cc: ekgardner@purdue.edu; sozen@purdue.edu
Subject: WTC computer simulations

Dear Purdue Scientists:

I read with interest your material on the computer simulations of the jet
crash into WTC1 that you have created. Fine work.

As you may be aware, there is some debate as to whether or not a local
collapse of the upper section of the tower would lead to the type of
pulverizing, obliterating behavior that we actually observed on 9/11. (e.g.
See Ross http://worldtradecentertruth.com/Jou...ansferRoss.pdf)

Do you have any plans to run your model further in time? That is, would it
be possible for you to assume a local collapse of the upper part of the
building falling down into the lower part, and then model the behavior of
the entire tower from that point forward?

Thank You.

Shrinker · 28th September 2006, 01:32 AM

From Cinefex issue 107, page 16. Regarding the visual effects for the movie World Trade Center:

Quote:

In an opening montage establishing the Manhattan skyline as it appeared early on the morning of the attacks, Double Negative nestled the World Trade Center's twin towers into live plates, computer modelling the structures using original blueprints.

(Double Negative is a visual effects company based in London.)

Now, isn't it wonderful how the people who need the blueprints can get hold of them, and the people who need the blueprints to be some sinister covered-up secret, can easily fail to get hold of them.

Lurker · 28th September 2006, 04:50 AM

In Design News, Professor Abolhassen Astaneh-Asl was in New York days after the collapse to get information. He is a professor at UC-Berkeley in Structural Engineering. He collected perishable data, took photos and then proceeded to make computer models of the structure. He did have a grant from NSF to do this work and was able to obtain construction drawings and design documents from the Port Authority.

Specific to the docs, the article said:

Quote:

What he did not realize, however, was that he was embarking on a half-a-decade-long odyssey that would have him scrambling for resources and trying to obtain construction drawings and design documents for the towers from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the owner of the WTC.

The release of these documents—which ultimately required an order from Congress’ Committee on Science --was critical because they contained design specifics that Astaneh-Asl needed in order to develop a detailed structural model to simulate the impact of the airplanes on the twin towers.

http://www.designnews.com/article/CA6363426.html

So Truthseeker is partially correct in that not just anybody can request and receive those documents from the Port Authority. But they have been released to Professor Abolhassen Astaneh-Asl.

Lurker

Matthew Best · 28th September 2006, 05:49 PM

Here is an interesting story on Mr Astaneh-Asl's theories about why the WTC buildings collapsed.

It seems his ideas are somewhat controversial as he seems to be suggesting that if they'd been built according to New York City Building Codes (they weren't) they would have stayed standing longer.

(Incidentally, in this story he says he was sent a copy of the building plans by an official from FEMA.)

Blackadder_no · 28th September 2006, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Matthew Best

Here is an interesting story on Mr Astaneh-Asl's theories about why the WTC buildings collapsed.

Originally Posted by Astaneh-Asl

"From the day that I stood there and watched it collapse" on television, he says, "I was thinking that this is impossible. That there's something strange here."

Quoted out of context in 5... 4... 3...

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13th September 2006, 05:25 PM	#124
TruthSeeker1234 Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,756	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 I sent this to them - Dear Sir or Madam: Will you please tell me how I can purchase a complete set of detailed structural drawings of the twin towers? Let me know how much and where to send it, and I will forward the money. Thank You, I'll let you all know how that goes. What was the response? No response yet. I'm not holding my breath. As I said, many researches have tried very hard to get them. I wonder why they are so secret? Could it be that "they" don't want anyone to be able to build an accurate model of a twin tower?
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13th September 2006, 05:28 PM	#125
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,465	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 What was the response? No response yet. I'm not holding my breath. As I said, many researches have tried very hard to get them. I wonder why they are so secret? Could it be that "they" don't want anyone to be able to build an accurate model of a twin tower? Yes, absolutely. You are absolutely right.
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13th September 2006, 05:33 PM	#126
Dog Town Space for Rent Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sunny blue sky, cold water. Posts: 4,461	Quote: Could it be that "they" don't want anyone to be able to build an accurate model of a twin tower? hb.gif I feel ya TAM !
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13th September 2006, 06:04 PM	#128
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11th September 2006, 12:09 PM	#121
Architect Chief Punkah Wallah Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: UK Posts: 8,478	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 Dog misunderstood Many have been trying very hard to get the blueprints. Nobody is releasing them. Not the port authority. Not Silverstein. Not the Feds. Not Leslie Robertson's firm. Nobody. They've gone missing. maybe there were no drawings, maybe they just winged it. Well in the UK, any proposals have to get a Building Warrant (or Buildings Regulations Approval, depending on where you are) in order to show compliance with statutory codes. Of course they're not the construction drawings, but they're still pretty detailed. These are then public documents, and can be FOIed in the normal manner. Don't you Americans have a similar system? I should note, however, that in the UK there would be an FoI exemption for particularly security-sensitive sites.

13th September 2006, 06:43 AM	#122
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 I sent this to them - Dear Sir or Madam: Will you please tell me how I can purchase a complete set of detailed structural drawings of the twin towers? Let me know how much and where to send it, and I will forward the money. Thank You, I'll let you all know how that goes. What was the response?

13th September 2006, 05:58 PM	#127
apathoid Government Loyalist Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Virgo Supercluster Posts: 2,699	Originally Posted by Dog Town I feel ya TAM ! TAM has the right idea about not debating the clownshoes anymore. I really can't think of anything that is less productive, perhaps teaching a 2 year old semi-retarded chimp Calculus would be more futile, hard to say.

13th September 2006, 06:04 PM	#129
Dog Town Space for Rent Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sunny blue sky, cold water. Posts: 4,461	Originally Posted by apathoid TAM has the right idea about not debating the clownshoes anymore. I really can't think of anything that is less productive, perhaps teaching a 2 year old semi-retarded chimp Calculus would be more futile, hard to say. Hell that would be much easier! The chimp wants to use its brain, just not sure how! Cters seem to know how, but CHOOSE not to!
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14th September 2006, 06:13 AM	#130
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 No response yet. I'm not holding my breath. As I said, many researches have tried very hard to get them. I wonder why they are so secret? Could it be that "they" don't want anyone to be able to build an accurate model of a twin tower? Could it be that you spend to much time in here to think in such a "conspirational" way? :-D

14th September 2006, 06:25 AM	#131
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	This was posted in the Loose Change thread. Is this what you were looking for? http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4...Sozen.WTC.html Maybe you could get in touch with the guys who made this computer model and ask where they got the plans for the WTC.
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14th September 2006, 06:38 AM	#132
gumboot lorcutus.tolere Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,103	Not directly related... But have a look at this. I am utterly stunned. This guy has created an entire 3D computer model of the WTC complex. And I mean ENTIRE. He even has the escalators etc... it's truely incredible. Here's a picture of the wire frame to give you an idea of the detail. He appears to intend to do the underground stuff and everything. -Andrew
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14th September 2006, 06:46 AM	#133
KingMerv00 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 14,482	I'd like to see it. What the hell...it would probably be interesting.
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14th September 2006, 07:06 AM	#134
Hellbound Abiogenic Spongiform Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a handbasket Posts: 8,911	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 DHR repeated This is what NIST claim, yes. But NIST also claim that "thousands of pounds" of explosives would be needed to demolish the towers. Clearly this is a contradiction. If a local collapse can lead to complete destruction, then all a demolition would need to do is cut the support columns at one floor, and let gravity take over. Anybody care to reconcile those two NIST claims? I will. First, not any local collapse will lead to a global collapse. You need an entire floor to collapse, with several floors above it, and pretty much fail the whole floor at the same time (so the mass above that floor drops together as a live load). On 9/11 this was accomplished by: 1) The impact of a jet airliner, with an estimated energy yeild (from kinetic energy alone, not counting the ignition of jet fuel) equivalent to 4,000 to 6,000 lbs. of TNT. 2) Subsequent fires, which weakened the remaining support columns...columns that were already over-stressed due to the removal of many columns by event 1. By examining the structural properties of steel, and the average size of the support colums in the WTC, I've calculated that you'd need thousands of pounds of explosives to cut the supports sufficiently to cause collapse of a single floor. Just over 3,000 lbs. of C-4 as a matter of fact (over 4,000 lbs. of TNT). Although, technically, if you used shaped charges, had direct access to the steel core and exterior columns (meaning cutting into walls), and only took out just enough of the columns to have a good chance of collapse (instead of taking them all out) you could get it just below 1,000 lbs. of explosive, if you're lucky. More realistically you'd still need 1500 to 2000 lbs. Even more realistically you'd have to limit your placements to areas that could be concealed and accessed, which would mean non-optimal placement and would also limit the ability to use shaped cutting charges...so I'd revise that estimate to 2,000 lbs. as a ballpark figure. You'd need hundreds of tons to cut supports on all floors, or for a typical CD situation. Of course, I've actually done some of the calculation on this, using information that is not that difficult to obtain. A bit easier for me, as I've had some demolitions training and experience, but anyone can get the data. But, as with most of the "Truth Seekers", spending a few days getting in touch with people who know demolition, and finding the sizes of the columns, the equations governing charge sizes, and doing a bit of multiplication is too much work...the 3,000 who died isn't worth that to you, eh?
	Last edited by Hellbound; 14th September 2006 at 07:12 AM.

24th September 2006, 06:45 PM	#135
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 I sent this to them - Quote: Dear Sir or Madam: Will you please tell me how I can purchase a complete set of detailed structural drawings of the twin towers? Let me know how much and where to send it, and I will forward the money. Thank You, I'll let you all know how that goes. What did they say?

24th September 2006, 07:35 PM	#136
qarnos Cold-hearted skeptic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Melbourne, Austrylia Posts: 1,985	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 No response yet. I'm not holding my breath. As I said, many researches have tried very hard to get them. I wonder why they are so secret? Could it be that "they" don't want anyone to be able to build an accurate model of a twin tower? Bolding mine. Just a quick question... how hard is "tried very hard"? After all, you came on here bitching and moaning about the plans for goodness knows how long before we discovered you hadn't even tried to get them. Does "tried very hard" mean sending an e-mail?
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25th September 2006, 02:28 AM	#137
sleahead Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 406	Quote: Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 No response yet. I'm not holding my breath. As I said, many researches have tried very hard to get them. I wonder why they are so secret? Could it be that "they" don't want anyone to be able to build an accurate model of a twin tower? BS1234 should talk to Dylan Avery. Months ago, in the LC forum, Avery stated that blueprints would be in his hands imminently. They should have a talk, BSer to BSer.
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25th September 2006, 09:22 AM	#138
Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,465	Originally Posted by qarnos Bolding mine. Just a quick question... how hard is "tried very hard"? After all, you came on here bitching and moaning about the plans for goodness knows how long before we discovered you hadn't even tried to get them. Does "tried very hard" mean sending an e-mail? I think "tried very hard" means that everytime the owner of the blueprints told him they would send them, he wanted something more. Like full size. Printed in gold. On the hide of an elephant. And wanted to publish it. Much like the BS101 $1000.00 challenge.
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25th September 2006, 01:30 PM	#139
TruthSeeker1234 Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,756	Purdue emailed back. Quote: Dear Mr. TruthSeeker1234, at this point we do not have plans to extend the time interval. Sincerely, Chris Hoffmann ______________________ Christoph M. Hoffmann Computer Science, Purdue University West Lafayette, IN 47907 ph: 765-494-6185, fax: 765-494-0739 www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh ______________________ -----Original Message----- From: TruthSeeker1234 Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:49 PM To: venere@purdue.edu; Chris Hoffmann; Voicu Popescu; ayhan@purdue.edu; purduenews@purdue.edu Cc: ekgardner@purdue.edu; sozen@purdue.edu Subject: WTC computer simulations Dear Purdue Scientists: I read with interest your material on the computer simulations of the jet crash into WTC1 that you have created. Fine work. As you may be aware, there is some debate as to whether or not a local collapse of the upper section of the tower would lead to the type of pulverizing, obliterating behavior that we actually observed on 9/11. (e.g. See Ross http://worldtradecentertruth.com/Jou...ansferRoss.pdf) Do you have any plans to run your model further in time? That is, would it be possible for you to assume a local collapse of the upper part of the building falling down into the lower part, and then model the behavior of the entire tower from that point forward? Thank You.
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28th September 2006, 01:32 AM	#140
Shrinker Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,033	From Cinefex issue 107, page 16. Regarding the visual effects for the movie World Trade Center: Quote: In an opening montage establishing the Manhattan skyline as it appeared early on the morning of the attacks, Double Negative nestled the World Trade Center's twin towers into live plates, computer modelling the structures using original blueprints. (Double Negative is a visual effects company based in London.) Now, isn't it wonderful how the people who need the blueprints can get hold of them, and the people who need the blueprints to be some sinister covered-up secret, can easily fail to get hold of them.

28th September 2006, 04:50 AM	#141
Lurker Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,187	In Design News, Professor Abolhassen Astaneh-Asl was in New York days after the collapse to get information. He is a professor at UC-Berkeley in Structural Engineering. He collected perishable data, took photos and then proceeded to make computer models of the structure. He did have a grant from NSF to do this work and was able to obtain construction drawings and design documents from the Port Authority. Specific to the docs, the article said: Quote: What he did not realize, however, was that he was embarking on a half-a-decade-long odyssey that would have him scrambling for resources and trying to obtain construction drawings and design documents for the towers from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the owner of the WTC. The release of these documents—which ultimately required an order from Congress’ Committee on Science --was critical because they contained design specifics that Astaneh-Asl needed in order to develop a detailed structural model to simulate the impact of the airplanes on the twin towers. http://www.designnews.com/article/CA6363426.html So Truthseeker is partially correct in that not just anybody can request and receive those documents from the Port Authority. But they have been released to Professor Abolhassen Astaneh-Asl. Lurker
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28th September 2006, 05:49 PM	#142
Matthew Best Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester Square, London Posts: 4,113	Here is an interesting story on Mr Astaneh-Asl's theories about why the WTC buildings collapsed. It seems his ideas are somewhat controversial as he seems to be suggesting that if they'd been built according to New York City Building Codes (they weren't) they would have stayed standing longer. (Incidentally, in this story he says he was sent a copy of the building plans by an official from FEMA.)

28th September 2006, 10:43 PM	#143
Blackadder_no Rocket Scientist Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Innerst inni granskauen Posts: 104	Originally Posted by Matthew Best Here is an interesting story on Mr Astaneh-Asl's theories about why the WTC buildings collapsed. Originally Posted by Astaneh-Asl "From the day that I stood there and watched it collapse" on television, he says, "I was thinking that this is impossible. That there's something strange here." Quoted out of context in 5... 4... 3...