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Upchurch · 22nd August 2003, 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by Agammamon
(and ordained minister of the Universal Life Church).

Funny you should mention ULC. My fiancee actually is an ordained minister of the ULC. And she's actually married two pairs of our couple friends.

She bet the first couple that there was no way that would be legal in Missouri. If it was, she'd get ordained and do the ceremony herself. It was and she did.

UnrepentantSinner · 22nd August 2003, 07:16 AM

I've been meaning to comment on our Upchurch adopting a religion but have been sidetracked by things like The Thread That Will Not Die. So let me say...

Good for you Upchurch!

I don't care if people who have demonstrated that they're skeptics (and have way cool avatars) convert or adopt anything from Thereveda Buddhism to Shiia Islam... as long as they continue their skepticism. I had a professor once who was a hard core logician and was taken aback when he mentioned his weekly Bible study. But I realized that his beliefs didn't lessen his hard core logicism nor what an awesome dude he was.

I have discovered the same from folks who are abstact Deists (like Hal) to people who are strict Eastern Orthodox (like my buddy Randall) so that skepticism =/= atheism and it's refreshing as an atheist to find someone who can reconcile some semblance of belief with his/her skepticism.

Good for you!

Upchurch · 22nd August 2003, 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner
Good for you Upchurch!

We, thank you very much but...

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it's refreshing as an atheist to find someone who can reconcile some semblance of belief with his/her skepticism.

...technically, I'm still an atheist. This is more of a philosophical and sense of community pursuit rather than a discovering of personal religious belief, so to speak.

Silicon · 22nd August 2003, 12:25 PM

Well, if they forced a gun to my head and made me join a church, that'd be the one!

It sounds good. I like that point of view, that it's a classroom in a way, in which people seek the Divine.

I'll have to check it out at some point.

Upchurch · 22nd August 2003, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Silicon
Well, if they forced a gun to my head and made me join a church, that'd be the one!

{snip}

I'll have to check it out at some point.

Hey, look at me! I'm convertin' people. And with Silicon, I've made one more convert on these boards than billifan ever has!

Ruby · 22nd August 2003, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Upchurch
Hey, look at me! I'm convertin' people. And with Silicon, I've made one more convert on these boards than billifan ever has!

Silicon · 22nd August 2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by Upchurch
Hey, look at me! I'm convertin' people.

No, you need the gun first!

Ruby · 26th August 2003, 09:01 AM

I finally visited the local Unitarian Fellowship and LOVED it!!

The pianist opened the service by playing Chopin. It was beautiful. I am a big classical music fan.

We sang hymns....but they were not Christian hymns. They were very unique.

The message that was presented was "How homophobia hurts us all". It was very good. There are a couple of lesbian couples in the group, and one person who is transgendered. It was sad to hear what they've had to endure....especially from the christian community.

My hubby seemed to enjoy it...especially the talkback at the end of the service.

I am feeling better all the time by leaving my fundamental Christian beliefs behind. I think my hubby is still struggling a lot more than I am.

Anyhow, we will go back to the UU fellowship next Sunday. I look forward to it!!!

Upchurch · 26th August 2003, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by Ruby
I am feeling better all the time by leaving my fundamental Christian beliefs behind. I think my hubby is still struggling a lot more than I am.

you should make him read and participate on this board like you do. might help him reason things through...

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Anyhow, we will go back to the UU fellowship next Sunday. I look forward to it!!!

We've been swamped with wedding planning, but we're trying to go this Sunday too.

Ruby · 26th August 2003, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by Upchurch
you should make him read and participate on this board like you do. might help him reason things through...

I wish he could post on here, but he is far too busy with work. He was raised as a Christian. His whole family are devout Christians. I think that's why it's so hard on him.

Tricky · 26th August 2003, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Ruby
I wish he could post on here, but he is far too busy with work. He was raised as a Christian. His whole family are devout Christians. I think that's why it's so hard on him.

That's the great thing about Unitarianism. You can be a Unitarian and still be a Christian! Or a Wiccan, or a Buddhist... or pretty much anything except an atheist.

Checkmite · 26th August 2003, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Tricky

That's the great thing about Unitarianism. You can be a Unitarian and still be a Christian! Or a Wiccan, or a Buddhist... or pretty much anything except an atheist.

There are some atheists in the local UUF, in Oberlin...

Tricky · 26th August 2003, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by Joshua Korosi

There are some atheists in the local UUF, in Oberlin...

I'm sure. And I am a dues-paying member of the local Pagan organization, but it doesn't mean I am a Pagan. Sure, anyone is welcome in the Unitarian church, but it does, after all, espouse a version of God, even if it says "all Gods are one". A person who truly believes there is no god cannot really be a Unitarian, in spite of how much they respect them (as I do).

whitefork · 26th August 2003, 11:53 AM

There's a big shakeup going on on UU circles now. The fellow who's just become president, Rev. Sinkford (first African-American) has caused much consternation because of his explicit position on God - that he exists - and there are a lot of people who are not too happy about it.

Atheism and Unitarianism are in fact quite compatible.

http://www.uua.org/aboutuua/principles.html

I don't have explicit references, but the Boston Globe had a pretty detailed story a month or so ago.

Upchurch · 26th August 2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Kullervo
There's a big shakeup going on on UU circles now. The fellow who's just become president, Rev. Sinkford (first African-American) has caused much consternation because of his explicit position on God - that he exists - and there are a lot of people who are not too happy about it.

How strange. Do you have an link that gives more details about this?

Tricky · 26th August 2003, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kullervo
There's a big shakeup going on on UU circles now. The fellow who's just become president, Rev. Sinkford (first African-American) has caused much consternation because of his explicit position on God - that he exists - and there are a lot of people who are not too happy about it.

Atheism and Unitarianism are in fact quite compatible.

http://www.uua.org/aboutuua/principles.html

I don't have explicit references, but the Boston Globe had a pretty detailed story a month or so ago.

If that's the case, then I retract my statement. It does seem odd to me though. What does "Unitarian" mean, anyway?

Upchurch · 26th August 2003, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Tricky
What does "Unitarian" mean, anyway?

unitarian

1 a often capitalized : one who believes that the deity exists only in one person b capitalized : a member of a denomination that stresses individual freedom of belief, the free use of reason in religion, a united world community, and liberal social action
2 : an advocate of unity or a unitary system

I would guess that the 1 b definition is the one we're referring to in Unitarian Universalist.

whitefork · 26th August 2003, 12:30 PM

There's a New York Times link on their "in the news" section, but you need a subscription. I'll see if I can dredge up the Globe story somehow.

Unitarianism - well, "one god" originally, like in Judaism and Islam - it's not really Christianity in that it generally denies the divinity of Jesus. But generalizations about "what Unitarians believe" are unreliable.

Here's a link to the Globe article: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/archives/00003619.html

I like this line especially

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Although individual congregations have been grappling with what kind of role, if any, there is for traditional religious language on Sunday morning, the debate began in earnest in January, when the Fort Worth Star-Telegram erroneously reported that Sinkford wanted to add the word ''God'' to the denomination's statement of principles.

When I was studying to be confirmed as a Lutheran, we studied other Christian religions, and the story was "we're the Unitarians, come here and believe whatever you want to".

Upchurch · 22nd September 2003, 09:17 AM

Incidently, my fiancee and I joined up officially yesterday.

a_unique_person · 22nd September 2003, 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by Yahweh
Unrelated, but there are 4 churches within walking distance of my house, and about 25 others within a 30 minute driving radius from my house. Why the need for so many churches?

Because you people are so evil, you need a strong, holy prescence of god in the area to save your souls.

a_unique_person · 22nd September 2003, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by Upchurch
Incidently, my fiancee and I joined up officially yesterday.

My wife and I, both non-xian, wanted to get some sort of a traditional wedding, so we went to what I would guess is the Australian version of this church, called the Uniting Church. We told our story to the Rev, and she was quite happy to have us married there, even though we openly stated we were athiest. We were happy with the job she did, treated her and her church with respect, she was happy to get two people married who already had three kiddies. From her point of view, she was doing her bit for the institution of the family and social stability. A win/win situation.

We didn't have to join her church.

Peach Jr. · 22nd September 2003, 07:32 PM

I don't think there's a requirement to be a member in order to be married by a Unitarian minister - though that could vary with the individual church. When the Mr. and I got married, the only thing the minister asked of us was that we attend a few weeks worth of services. The idea was that we be absolutely sure that the Unitarians were the right group for us.

a_unique_person · 22nd September 2003, 07:52 PM

We never even had to go to a service. Actually, now that I think about it, we got to choose the service and the readings. They had a sort of multiple choice thing. We picked the bits that were not very holy, more the Jesus as humanitarian type stuff.

Zep · 22nd September 2003, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by Ruby
I finally visited the local Unitarian Fellowship and LOVED it!!

{snippety snip}

I am feeling better all the time by leaving my fundamental Christian beliefs behind. I think my hubby is still struggling a lot more than I am.

Anyhow, we will go back to the UU fellowship next Sunday. I look forward to it!!!

Didn't we say on another thread that you would eventually find a nice place to land that you would feel comfortable and happy and relaxed with? Most importantly, somewhere of YOUR choice?

I'm happy for you! And I hope hubby has a gentle landing too.

cheers
Zep

Ruby · 25th September 2003, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zep
Didn't we say on another thread that you would eventually find a nice place to land that you would feel comfortable and happy and relaxed with? Most importantly, somewhere of YOUR choice?

I'm happy for you! And I hope hubby has a gentle landing too.

cheers
Zep

Oh, thank you!!!

Zep · 25th September 2003, 06:51 PM

BTW, is that you smiling in your avatar? Suits you!

Finella · 26th September 2003, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by Upchurch
Funny you should mention intelligent design, a couple of weeks ago, one of the hymns (which normally boar me to tears) actually referenced evolution as being true! It took me pleasently by surprise.

Hey, Upchurch.... it wouldn't be the song in my [new] .sig, would it? I just heard that it's being included in the new Unitarian hymnal, which I think is pretty darn cool. Any church that sings Dave Carter songs is alright by me.

---,---'--{@

Upchurch · 26th September 2003, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by a_unique_person

We didn't have to join her church.

We don't have to either. We chose to.

Upchurch · 26th September 2003, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by Finella

Hey, Upchurch.... it wouldn't be the song in my [new] .sig, would it?

It's been several weeks since I heard the song, but I'm fairly sure it's not the same song. The one I heard actually had the word "evolution" in it.

Sorry I can't remember more details about it.

22nd August 2003, 07:16 AM	#42
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22nd August 2003, 12:25 PM	#44
Silicon Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,644	Well, if they forced a gun to my head and made me join a church, that'd be the one! It sounds good. I like that point of view, that it's a classroom in a way, in which people seek the Divine. I'll have to check it out at some point.
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22nd August 2003, 01:19 PM	#46
Ruby Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,043	Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch Hey, look at me! I'm convertin' people. And with Silicon, I've made one more convert on these boards than billifan ever has!
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22nd August 2003, 03:25 PM	#47
Silicon Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,644	Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch Hey, look at me! I'm convertin' people. No, you need the gun first!
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26th August 2003, 09:01 AM	#48
Ruby Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,043	I finally visited the local Unitarian Fellowship and LOVED it!! The pianist opened the service by playing Chopin. It was beautiful. I am a big classical music fan. We sang hymns....but they were not Christian hymns. They were very unique. The message that was presented was "How homophobia hurts us all". It was very good. There are a couple of lesbian couples in the group, and one person who is transgendered. It was sad to hear what they've had to endure....especially from the christian community. My hubby seemed to enjoy it...especially the talkback at the end of the service. I am feeling better all the time by leaving my fundamental Christian beliefs behind. I think my hubby is still struggling a lot more than I am. Anyhow, we will go back to the UU fellowship next Sunday. I look forward to it!!!
Ruby Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,043

22nd August 2003, 07:09 AM	#41
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Quote: Originally posted by Agammamon (and ordained minister of the Universal Life Church). Funny you should mention ULC. My fiancee actually is an ordained minister of the ULC. And she's actually married two pairs of our couple friends. She bet the first couple that there was no way that would be legal in Missouri. If it was, she'd get ordained and do the ceremony herself. It was and she did.

22nd August 2003, 08:11 AM	#43
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Quote: Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner Good for you Upchurch! We, thank you very much but... Quote: it's refreshing as an atheist to find someone who can reconcile some semblance of belief with his/her skepticism. ...technically, I'm still an atheist. This is more of a philosophical and sense of community pursuit rather than a discovering of personal religious belief, so to speak.

22nd August 2003, 12:56 PM	#45
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Quote: Originally posted by Silicon Well, if they forced a gun to my head and made me join a church, that'd be the one! {snip} I'll have to check it out at some point. Hey, look at me! I'm convertin' people. And with Silicon, I've made one more convert on these boards than billifan ever has!

26th August 2003, 09:08 AM	#49
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Quote: Originally posted by Ruby I am feeling better all the time by leaving my fundamental Christian beliefs behind. I think my hubby is still struggling a lot more than I am. you should make him read and participate on this board like you do. might help him reason things through... Quote: Anyhow, we will go back to the UU fellowship next Sunday. I look forward to it!!! We've been swamped with wedding planning, but we're trying to go this Sunday too.

26th August 2003, 09:34 AM	#50
Ruby Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,043	Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch you should make him read and participate on this board like you do. might help him reason things through... I wish he could post on here, but he is far too busy with work. He was raised as a Christian. His whole family are devout Christians. I think that's why it's so hard on him.
Ruby Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,043

26th August 2003, 11:20 AM	#51
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,371	Quote: Originally posted by Ruby I wish he could post on here, but he is far too busy with work. He was raised as a Christian. His whole family are devout Christians. I think that's why it's so hard on him. That's the great thing about Unitarianism. You can be a Unitarian and still be a Christian! Or a Wiccan, or a Buddhist... or pretty much anything except an atheist.

26th August 2003, 11:30 AM	#52
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,896	Quote: Originally posted by Tricky *That's the great thing about Unitarianism. You can be a Unitarian and still be a Christian!* Or a Wiccan, or a Buddhist... or pretty much anything except an atheist.** There are some atheists in the local UUF, in Oberlin...
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26th August 2003, 11:37 AM	#53
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,371	Quote: Originally posted by Joshua Korosi There are some atheists in the local UUF, in Oberlin... I'm sure. And I am a dues-paying member of the local Pagan organization, but it doesn't mean I am a Pagan. Sure, anyone is welcome in the Unitarian church, but it does, after all, espouse a version of God, even if it says "all Gods are one". A person who truly believes there is no god cannot really be a Unitarian, in spite of how much they respect them (as I do).

26th August 2003, 11:53 AM	#54
whitefork None of the above Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: aka kullervo Posts: 2,339	There's a big shakeup going on on UU circles now. The fellow who's just become president, Rev. Sinkford (first African-American) has caused much consternation because of his explicit position on God - that he exists - and there are a lot of people who are not too happy about it. Atheism and Unitarianism are in fact quite compatible. http://www.uua.org/aboutuua/principles.html I don't have explicit references, but the Boston Globe had a pretty detailed story a month or so ago.
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26th August 2003, 12:07 PM	#55
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Quote: Originally posted by Kullervo There's a big shakeup going on on UU circles now. The fellow who's just become president, Rev. Sinkford (first African-American) has caused much consternation because of his explicit position on God - that he exists - and there are a lot of people who are not too happy about it. How strange. Do you have an link that gives more details about this?

26th August 2003, 12:09 PM	#56
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,371	Quote: Originally posted by Kullervo There's a big shakeup going on on UU circles now. The fellow who's just become president, Rev. Sinkford (first African-American) has caused much consternation because of his explicit position on God - that he exists - and there are a lot of people who are not too happy about it. Atheism and Unitarianism are in fact quite compatible. http://www.uua.org/aboutuua/principles.html I don't have explicit references, but the Boston Globe had a pretty detailed story a month or so ago. If that's the case, then I retract my statement. It does seem odd to me though. What does "Unitarian" mean, anyway?

26th August 2003, 12:28 PM	#57
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Quote: Originally posted by Tricky What does "Unitarian" mean, anyway? unitarian 1 a often capitalized : one who believes that the deity exists only in one person b capitalized : a member of a denomination that stresses individual freedom of belief, the free use of reason in religion, a united world community, and liberal social action 2 : an advocate of unity or a unitary system I would guess that the 1 b definition is the one we're referring to in Unitarian Universalist.

26th August 2003, 12:30 PM	#58
whitefork None of the above Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: aka kullervo Posts: 2,339	There's a New York Times link on their "in the news" section, but you need a subscription. I'll see if I can dredge up the Globe story somehow. Unitarianism - well, "one god" originally, like in Judaism and Islam - it's not really Christianity in that it generally denies the divinity of Jesus. But generalizations about "what Unitarians believe" are unreliable. Here's a link to the Globe article: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/archives/00003619.html I like this line especially Quote: Although individual congregations have been grappling with what kind of role, if any, there is for traditional religious language on Sunday morning, the debate began in earnest in January, when the Fort Worth Star-Telegram erroneously reported that Sinkford wanted to add the word ''God'' to the denomination's statement of principles. When I was studying to be confirmed as a Lutheran, we studied other Christian religions, and the story was "we're the Unitarians, come here and believe whatever you want to".
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22nd September 2003, 09:17 AM	#59
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Incidently, my fiancee and I joined up officially yesterday.

22nd September 2003, 07:19 PM	#60
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,336	Quote: Originally posted by Yahweh Unrelated, but there are 4 churches within walking distance of my house, and about 25 others within a 30 minute driving radius from my house. Why the need for so many churches? Because you people are so evil, you need a strong, holy prescence of god in the area to save your souls.
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22nd September 2003, 07:22 PM	#61
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,336	Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch Incidently, my fiancee and I joined up officially yesterday. My wife and I, both non-xian, wanted to get some sort of a traditional wedding, so we went to what I would guess is the Australian version of this church, called the Uniting Church. We told our story to the Rev, and she was quite happy to have us married there, even though we openly stated we were athiest. We were happy with the job she did, treated her and her church with respect, she was happy to get two people married who already had three kiddies. From her point of view, she was doing her bit for the institution of the family and social stability. A win/win situation. We didn't have to join her church.
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22nd September 2003, 07:32 PM	#62
Peach Jr. Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 258	I don't think there's a requirement to be a member in order to be married by a Unitarian minister - though that could vary with the individual church. When the Mr. and I got married, the only thing the minister asked of us was that we attend a few weeks worth of services. The idea was that we be absolutely sure that the Unitarians were the right group for us.
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22nd September 2003, 07:52 PM	#63
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,336	We never even had to go to a service. Actually, now that I think about it, we got to choose the service and the readings. They had a sort of multiple choice thing. We picked the bits that were not very holy, more the Jesus as humanitarian type stuff.
	__________________ *Continually pushing the boundaries of mediocrity.* Everything is possible, but not everything is probable. For if a man pretend to me that God hath spoken to him supernaturally, and immediately, and I make doubt of it, I cannot easily perceive what argument he can produce to oblige me to believe it. Hobbes

22nd September 2003, 11:31 PM	#64
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Quote: Originally posted by Ruby I finally visited the local Unitarian Fellowship and LOVED it!! {snippety snip} I am feeling better all the time by leaving my fundamental Christian beliefs behind. I think my hubby is still struggling a lot more than I am. Anyhow, we will go back to the UU fellowship next Sunday. I look forward to it!!! Didn't we say on another thread that you would eventually find a nice place to land that you would feel comfortable and happy and relaxed with? Most importantly, somewhere of YOUR choice? I'm happy for you! And I hope hubby has a gentle landing too. cheers Zep
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25th September 2003, 06:46 PM	#65
Ruby Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,043	Quote: Originally posted by Zep Didn't we say on another thread that you would eventually find a nice place to land that you would feel comfortable and happy and relaxed with? Most importantly, somewhere of YOUR choice? I'm happy for you! And I hope hubby has a gentle landing too. cheers Zep Oh, thank you!!!
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25th September 2003, 06:51 PM	#66
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	BTW, is that you smiling in your avatar? Suits you!
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26th September 2003, 11:28 AM	#67
Finella Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Outside Philly Posts: 265	Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch Funny you should mention intelligent design, a couple of weeks ago, one of the hymns (which normally boar me to tears) actually referenced evolution as being true! It took me pleasently by surprise. Hey, Upchurch.... it wouldn't be the song in my [new] .sig, would it? I just heard that it's being included in the new Unitarian hymnal, which I think is pretty darn cool. Any church that sings Dave Carter songs is alright by me. ---,---'--{@
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26th September 2003, 12:58 PM	#68
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Quote: Originally posted by a_unique_person We didn't have to join her church. We don't have to either. We chose to.

26th September 2003, 12:59 PM	#69
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Quote: Originally posted by Finella Hey, Upchurch.... it wouldn't be the song in my [new] .sig, would it? It's been several weeks since I heard the song, but I'm fairly sure it's not the same song. The one I heard actually had the word "evolution" in it. Sorry I can't remember more details about it.