Atheist/Agnostic/Theist/Liberal/Centrist/Conservative - poll - Page 3

New Ager · 6th March 2008, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Mobyseven

If by 'a strange country' you mean 'the rest of the world', you'd still be wrong (though less blatantly arrogant). Your ignorance of what 'liberalism' and 'socialism' is has been noted, however.

LOL!! It seems I have stepped on another liberal's toes.

They tend to not admit who they are. Typical.

But, please enlighten us on what you think socialism and liberalism are.

Get ready for evasion and/or comedy as liberalism is cleaned up to make it sellable.

thesyntaxera · 6th March 2008, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by New Ager

LOL!! It seems I have stepped on another liberal's toes.

They tend to not admit who they are. Typical.

But, please enlighten us on what you think socialism and liberalism are.

Get ready for evasion and/or comedy as liberalism is cleaned up to make it sellable.

Which liberalism are you refering to? Your perception of what liberalism is? Actual liberalism which emphasizes the liberty of the individual? Hannity and Rush's version of liberalism? Neoliberalism? There are many veins of liberalism, so piling them all together isn't go to do you much good in understanding any of them...please demarcate what you are referring to.

Socialism simply is the emphasis of the betterment of society for the collective of individuals that reside within it. It is much more complicated of course, but that is the gist.

What is typical of those of your apparent persuasion is that no amount of reasoning will alter your preconceived notions.

billydkid · 6th March 2008, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by thesyntaxera

Which liberalism are you refering to? Your perception of what liberalism is? Actual liberalism which emphasizes the liberty of the individual?

I don't believe that is actually the case in terms of what we know as liberalism in this country. Economic liberty and personal liberty are inseparable. Unless, of course, you are talking about classical liberalism/libertarianism. The whole PC thing has its roots in what passes for liberalism in this country. The left tends to be a big advocate of free speech - that they approve of. The right has never been real big on free speech altogether.

Mobyseven · 6th March 2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by New Ager

LOL!! It seems I have stepped on another liberal's toes.

They tend to not admit who they are. Typical.

But, please enlighten us on what you think socialism and liberalism are.

Get ready for evasion and/or comedy as liberalism is cleaned up to make it sellable.

Psst...I already posted on the difference between liberalism and socialism, just a couple of posts before you barged in with your nonsense. Go back one frikkin' page and read it.

If you'd like a strawman to argue against however, might I suggest defining liberalism as 'a political system that advocates baby-eating' and socialism as 'a political system that describes the best ways to roast a baby'. At least then your trolling will be amusing.

GreyICE · 8th March 2008, 11:34 PM

Agnostic/skeptic, and to expand on that I believe that not only is it impossible to make any judgements on the existence of a higher being(s), I believe it is functionally impossible and irrational to make any statements about their existence or lack thereof.

For my politics, I'm a liberal, most of the time, I guess. I hate Bush, and that's conservative right now.

Kotatsu · 10th March 2008, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by rcronk

Wow! I wasn't aware of how differently defined these political terms are across countries. I apologize. Hmm - has there been any effort to come up with political (or a/theistic for that matter) terms that can be used across countries that are consistent, etc.? This causes a problem in this poll obviously, but I would imagine that it could cause other problems too. Labels suck, but we don't always have a paragraph to define our positions so it would be nice to cover a paragraph of position with a short phrase. I apologize for my ignorance, any help with term definitions would be helpful. Thanks.

No offence, but yours is a common mistakes among Americans. I am not very interested in politics, and am afraid I cannot answer your questions. Even such generic labels as "right wing", "left wing" and "centrist" would be perceived differently in different countries, even when words ending in "-ism" are left out (I generally abhor these words). To the extent that I am at all aware of what politics is like in other countries, I believe that should such labels exist, the two large American political parties would be considered more or less the same.

Originally Posted by New Ager

You must live in a strange country where liberal means something different. In the US, the next step from liberal is socialist. In fact, many liberal Dems have socialist leanings. National health care, environmental kookism, high taxes, etc.

How often do you leave your home village?

Atheist/Liberal	66	35.68%
Atheist/Centrist	46	24.86%
Atheist/Conservative	12	6.49%
Agnostic/Liberal	14	7.57%
Agnostic/Centrist	16	8.65%
Agnostic/Conservative	5	2.70%
Theist/Liberal	5	2.70%
Theist/Centrist	7	3.78%
Theist/Conservative	5	2.70%
On planet X, we're just RNA fragments who lack the capacity to vote	9	4.86%
Voters: 185. You may not vote on this poll

6th March 2008, 01:10 PM	#83
billydkid Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Blanchester, OH Posts: 4,930	Originally Posted by thesyntaxera Which liberalism are you refering to? Your perception of what liberalism is? Actual liberalism which emphasizes the liberty of the individual? I don't believe that is actually the case in terms of what we know as liberalism in this country. Economic liberty and personal liberty are inseparable. Unless, of course, you are talking about classical liberalism/libertarianism. The whole PC thing has its roots in what passes for liberalism in this country. The left tends to be a big advocate of free speech - that they approve of. The right has never been real big on free speech altogether.
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6th March 2008, 03:15 PM	#84
Mobyseven President of Covert-Ops Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Not the Rat. Posts: 5,672	Originally Posted by New Ager LOL!! It seems I have stepped on another liberal's toes. They tend to not admit who they are. Typical. But, please enlighten us on what you think socialism and liberalism are. Get ready for evasion and/or comedy as liberalism is cleaned up to make it sellable. Psst...I already posted on the difference between liberalism and socialism, just a couple of posts before you barged in with your nonsense. Go back one frikkin' page and read it. If you'd like a strawman to argue against however, might I suggest defining liberalism as 'a political system that advocates baby-eating' and socialism as 'a political system that describes the best ways to roast a baby'. At least then your trolling will be amusing.
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8th March 2008, 11:34 PM	#85
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Agnostic/skeptic, and to expand on that I believe that not only is it impossible to make any judgements on the existence of a higher being(s), I believe it is functionally impossible and irrational to make any statements about their existence or lack thereof. For my politics, I'm a liberal, most of the time, I guess. I hate Bush, and that's conservative right now.
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10th March 2008, 11:03 AM	#86
Kotatsu Phthirapterist Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Good Anvil Posts: 2,154	Originally Posted by rcronk Wow! I wasn't aware of how differently defined these political terms are across countries. I apologize. Hmm - has there been any effort to come up with political (or a/theistic for that matter) terms that can be used across countries that are consistent, etc.? This causes a problem in this poll obviously, but I would imagine that it could cause other problems too. Labels suck, but we don't always have a paragraph to define our positions so it would be nice to cover a paragraph of position with a short phrase. I apologize for my ignorance, any help with term definitions would be helpful. Thanks. No offence, but yours is a common mistakes among Americans. I am not very interested in politics, and am afraid I cannot answer your questions. Even such generic labels as "right wing", "left wing" and "centrist" would be perceived differently in different countries, even when words ending in "-ism" are left out (I generally abhor these words). To the extent that I am at all aware of what politics is like in other countries, I believe that should such labels exist, the two large American political parties would be considered more or less the same. Originally Posted by New Ager You must live in a strange country where liberal means something different. In the US, the next step from liberal is socialist. In fact, many liberal Dems have socialist leanings. National health care, environmental kookism, high taxes, etc. How often do you leave your home village?
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6th March 2008, 11:08 AM	#81
New Ager Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,006	Originally Posted by Mobyseven If by 'a strange country' you mean 'the rest of the world', you'd still be wrong (though less blatantly arrogant). Your ignorance of what 'liberalism' and 'socialism' is has been noted, however. LOL!! It seems I have stepped on another liberal's toes. They tend to not admit who they are. Typical. But, please enlighten us on what you think socialism and liberalism are. Get ready for evasion and/or comedy as liberalism is cleaned up to make it sellable.

6th March 2008, 11:45 AM	#82
thesyntaxera Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Iowa City, Iowa Posts: 882	Originally Posted by New Ager LOL!! It seems I have stepped on another liberal's toes. They tend to not admit who they are. Typical. But, please enlighten us on what you think socialism and liberalism are. Get ready for evasion and/or comedy as liberalism is cleaned up to make it sellable. Which liberalism are you refering to? Your perception of what liberalism is? Actual liberalism which emphasizes the liberty of the individual? Hannity and Rush's version of liberalism? Neoliberalism? There are many veins of liberalism, so piling them all together isn't go to do you much good in understanding any of them...please demarcate what you are referring to. Socialism simply is the emphasis of the betterment of society for the collective of individuals that reside within it. It is much more complicated of course, but that is the gist. What is typical of those of your apparent persuasion is that no amount of reasoning will alter your preconceived notions.