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lateralusreality · 7th May 2008, 07:34 AM

Saw this on aanother forum that I post at:
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Weather modification Council for Canada, United States of America, and Mexico...

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I honestly don't know where the poster was going with this. Anyone have any thoughts?

Beerina · 7th May 2008, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by lateralusreality

I honestly don't know where the poster was going with this. Anyone have any thoughts?

Generating business for book, tape, or web sales based on fear tactics?

In any case weather control via cloud seeding is a different, and legitimate thing, compared to the CT fear monger fairy tale of "chem trails".

Drudgewire · 7th May 2008, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by lateralusreality

I honestly don't know where the poster was going with this. Anyone have any thoughts?

lateralusreality · 7th May 2008, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Generating business for book, tape, or web sales based on fear tactics?

In any case weather control via cloud seeding is a different, and legitimate thing, compared to the CT fear monger fairy tale of "chem trails".

It seemed to me that he was trying to tie chem trails with cloud seeding, which seems stupid to me.

Alferd_Packer · 7th May 2008, 08:45 AM

Wait until he tries to tie chemtrails to HAARP.

beachnut · 7th May 2008, 09:55 AM

Quote:

and have submitted massive amounts of Chemtrail pictures that show

Nut case!

TheDaver · 7th May 2008, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by beachnut

Nut case!

My thoughts exactly. Identifying contrails as “chemtrails” as the basis for his entire rant.…

lateralusreality · 7th May 2008, 12:07 PM

I told him "Alex Jones called, he wants his conspiracy theory back." He responds with this garbage:

"lol dont be retarded geoff

most of all dont be lazy; read what was posted. if you wish to mock know what youre mocking first; alex jones and the counter culture are their own worst enemies.

facts are there yo. i can bring you food but i will not spoon feed you. ;p

ps: common sense is the new ignorance. deductive reasoning is a precious commodity."

I then go on to say that Im not mocking weather modification. Im mocking chemtrails. When you identify a real thing such as contrails as a chemtrails is when you start to be ignorant. I read what was posted. All you did was list names and chemicals. You provided no proof that any of the pics you submitted as "chemtrails" have anything to do with weather modification. All you say is that pics show weather mod efforts. What basis do you have to say that?

Im anxiously awaiting a response.

Alferd_Packer · 7th May 2008, 12:49 PM

Ask him about "spider webs," Morgellons, and if he's checked his house for fibers with a black light yet.

Find out if he has built a "Chembuster" in his back yard yet, or if he has any "Holy Hand Grenades"

jhunter1163 · 7th May 2008, 04:28 PM

Where's that picture of the aircraft control panel with the poison spray nozzles?

OldTigerCub · 7th May 2008, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

Where's that picture of the aircraft control panel with the poison spray nozzles?

This one?

ElMondoHummus · 7th May 2008, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by lateralusreality

I told him "Alex Jones called, he wants his conspiracy theory back." He responds with this garbage:

"lol dont be retarded geoff

most of all dont be lazy; read what was posted. if you wish to mock know what youre mocking first; alex jones and the counter culture are their own worst enemies.

facts are there yo. i can bring you food but i will not spoon feed you. ;p

ps: common sense is the new ignorance. deductive reasoning is a precious commodity."

I then go on to say that Im not mocking weather modification. Im mocking chemtrails. When you identify a real thing such as contrails as a chemtrails is when you start to be ignorant. I read what was posted. All you did was list names and chemicals. You provided no proof that any of the pics you submitted as "chemtrails" have anything to do with weather modification. All you say is that pics show weather mod efforts. What basis do you have to say that?

Im anxiously awaiting a response.

LOL... Yeah, I'm pretty sure if there's a conspiracy fantasy out there, it's passed through Alex Jones at some point.

Anyway, good. That's always the best response: Asking the claimant to support his or her argument. Most have to resort to cutting and pasting from a website (Ack! So do I!

) because they don't have the expertise to really follow the argument (Ack! I plead the 5th on this

!...). But it's in the follow-up questions where you determine whether they've really studied the subject or not.

If you want to try to push a button, you might point out that there's a difference between deductive and inductive reasoning, and that he doesn't appear to really be doing either, but that's getting a little too meta for some posters...

Unsecured Coins · 7th May 2008, 06:26 PM

um... who did that chemtrail video? And why isn't it set when anytime someone posts a thread about Chemtrails that it is automatically embedded in the next post?

Caustic Logic · 29th September 2008, 05:36 AM

A constructive point on the OP rant - it refers to one type of weather modification and one only, that i saw - cloud seeding. this makes it rain. It's not spooky. All the members are from dry states (CA, UT, CO, etc...). If they invented a rain dance that worked, would that be troubling?

Also, I've been meaning to dig up the official JREF(tm) explanation for chemtrails for my own enlightenment and that of friends. The google search isn't turning up many solid threads. Is there a good overall debunk/explanation for that lingering, hazy type of trail IDd as chemtrails? Whatever they are, they're over my city almost every day. Anyone?

WildCat · 29th September 2008, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by lateralusreality

facts are there yo.

As soon as I read somethig this stupid I assume the writer doesn't know what the hell he's ranting about.

lateralusreality, I'd let this nutcase be.

Horatius · 29th September 2008, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Caustic Logic

Also, I've been meaning to dig up the official JREF(tm) explanation for chemtrails for my own enlightenment and that of friends. The google search isn't turning up many solid threads. Is there a good overall debunk/explanation for that lingering, hazy type of trail IDd as chemtrails? Whatever they are, they're over my city almost every day. Anyone?

Try using "turbofan" and "turbojet" as search terms. I recall a good site (it might not be JREF) that explained the differences between the contrails they produce, and how these differences have lead to a lot of the chemtrail nonsense lately.

CurtC · 29th September 2008, 08:28 AM

If you google the phrase "persistent contrails", you get links to a large amount of scientific data showing that regular jet contrails can last a long time and spread, depending on temp and humidity. Most of the chemtrail believers I've seen seem to think that one that dissipates is a contrail, but if it persists, it's an evil chemtrail. Those sites demonstrate that this distinction is not at all true.

Caustic Logic · 29th September 2008, 01:57 PM

Thanks, guys.

Also, the OP that was there last night until I bumped it, had mentioned studies on the flaked silver (?) used in cloud seeding, and its toxic effects on wildlife (mostly birds, I presume). There was an implied connection between seeding and chemtrails, and this being the harmful effect (not so much mind control or whatever) I'll look into it a bit.

TjW · 29th September 2008, 10:03 PM

It truly is amazing. The disinfo program regarding chemtrails is over 65 years old!
Consider this early disinfo attempt from that notorious NWO shill Antoine de Saint-Exupery:

Quote:

The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance caused by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside.

From "Flight to Arras" Chapter 8 Copyright 1942
Available in Airman's Odyssey, published by Harcourt Brace & Company

Notice how he cleverly implies that not only do high-flying airplanes leave contrails, but that when conditions are right, they will thicken and cover the sky! It's almost as though he had observed, over 65 years ago, the same sort of phenomena that people are seeing today.

7th May 2008, 07:46 AM	#2
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Originally Posted by lateralusreality I honestly don't know where the poster was going with this. Anyone have any thoughts? Generating business for book, tape, or web sales based on fear tactics? In any case weather control via cloud seeding is a different, and legitimate thing, compared to the CT fear monger fairy tale of "chem trails".
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7th May 2008, 07:49 AM	#3
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,434	Originally Posted by lateralusreality I honestly don't know where the poster was going with this. Anyone have any thoughts?
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7th May 2008, 07:51 AM	#4
lateralusreality New Blood Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4	Originally Posted by Beerina Generating business for book, tape, or web sales based on fear tactics? In any case weather control via cloud seeding is a different, and legitimate thing, compared to the CT fear monger fairy tale of "chem trails". It seemed to me that he was trying to tie chem trails with cloud seeding, which seems stupid to me.
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7th May 2008, 08:45 AM	#5
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,279	Wait until he tries to tie chemtrails to HAARP.
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7th May 2008, 12:07 PM	#8
lateralusreality New Blood Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4	I told him "Alex Jones called, he wants his conspiracy theory back." He responds with this garbage: "lol dont be retarded geoff most of all dont be lazy; read what was posted. if you wish to mock know what youre mocking first; alex jones and the counter culture are their own worst enemies. facts are there yo. i can bring you food but i will not spoon feed you. ;p ps: common sense is the new ignorance. deductive reasoning is a precious commodity." I then go on to say that Im not mocking weather modification. Im mocking chemtrails. When you identify a real thing such as contrails as a chemtrails is when you start to be ignorant. I read what was posted. All you did was list names and chemicals. You provided no proof that any of the pics you submitted as "chemtrails" have anything to do with weather modification. All you say is that pics show weather mod efforts. What basis do you have to say that? Im anxiously awaiting a response.
lateralusreality New Blood Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4

7th May 2008, 09:55 AM	#6
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,950	Quote: and have submitted massive amounts of Chemtrail pictures that show Nut case!

7th May 2008, 10:19 AM	#7
TheDaver hairy farting brute Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Montréal Posts: 972	Originally Posted by beachnut Nut case! My thoughts exactly. Identifying contrails as “chemtrails” as the basis for his entire rant.…

7th May 2008, 12:49 PM	#9
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,279	Ask him about "spider webs," Morgellons, and if he's checked his house for fibers with a black light yet. Find out if he has built a "Chembuster" in his back yard yet, or if he has any "Holy Hand Grenades"
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7th May 2008, 04:28 PM	#10
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 15,890	Where's that picture of the aircraft control panel with the poison spray nozzles?

7th May 2008, 04:45 PM	#11
OldTigerCub Striped Shapeshifting Reptoid Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Steeler Nation, Pa. Posts: 1,633	Originally Posted by jhunter1163 Where's that picture of the aircraft control panel with the poison spray nozzles? This one?
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7th May 2008, 05:41 PM	#12
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,967	Originally Posted by lateralusreality I told him "Alex Jones called, he wants his conspiracy theory back." He responds with this garbage: "lol dont be retarded geoff most of all dont be lazy; read what was posted. if you wish to mock know what youre mocking first; alex jones and the counter culture are their own worst enemies. facts are there yo. i can bring you food but i will not spoon feed you. ;p ps: common sense is the new ignorance. deductive reasoning is a precious commodity." I then go on to say that Im not mocking weather modification. Im mocking chemtrails. When you identify a real thing such as contrails as a chemtrails is when you start to be ignorant. I read what was posted. All you did was list names and chemicals. You provided no proof that any of the pics you submitted as "chemtrails" have anything to do with weather modification. All you say is that pics show weather mod efforts. What basis do you have to say that? Im anxiously awaiting a response. LOL... Yeah, I'm pretty sure if there's a conspiracy fantasy out there, it's passed through Alex Jones at some point. Anyway, good. That's always the best response: Asking the claimant to support his or her argument. Most have to resort to cutting and pasting from a website (Ack! So do I! ) because they don't have the expertise to really follow the argument (Ack! I plead the 5th on this !...). But it's in the follow-up questions where you determine whether they've really studied the subject or not. If you want to try to push a button, you might point out that there's a difference between deductive and inductive reasoning, and that he doesn't appear to really be doing either, but that's getting a little too meta for some posters...
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7th May 2008, 06:26 PM	#13
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: in your macaronis. warming my feets Posts: 5,742	um... who did that chemtrail video? And why isn't it set when anytime someone posts a thread about Chemtrails that it is automatically embedded in the next post?
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29th September 2008, 05:36 AM	#14
Caustic Logic Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,000	A constructive point on the OP rant - it refers to one type of weather modification and one only, that i saw - cloud seeding. this makes it rain. It's not spooky. All the members are from dry states (CA, UT, CO, etc...). If they invented a rain dance that worked, would that be troubling? Also, I've been meaning to dig up the official JREF(tm) explanation for chemtrails for my own enlightenment and that of friends. The google search isn't turning up many solid threads. Is there a good overall debunk/explanation for that lingering, hazy type of trail IDd as chemtrails? Whatever they are, they're over my city almost every day. Anyone?

29th September 2008, 05:44 AM	#15
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,457	Originally Posted by lateralusreality facts are there yo. As soon as I read somethig this stupid I assume the writer doesn't know what the hell he's ranting about. lateralusreality, I'd let this nutcase be.

29th September 2008, 07:24 AM	#16
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 22,028	Originally Posted by Caustic Logic Also, I've been meaning to dig up the official JREF(tm) explanation for chemtrails for my own enlightenment and that of friends. The google search isn't turning up many solid threads. Is there a good overall debunk/explanation for that lingering, hazy type of trail IDd as chemtrails? Whatever they are, they're over my city almost every day. Anyone? Try using "turbofan" and "turbojet" as search terms. I recall a good site (it might not be JREF) that explained the differences between the contrails they produce, and how these differences have lead to a lot of the chemtrail nonsense lately.
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29th September 2008, 08:28 AM	#17
CurtC Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,761	If you google the phrase "persistent contrails", you get links to a large amount of scientific data showing that regular jet contrails can last a long time and spread, depending on temp and humidity. Most of the chemtrail believers I've seen seem to think that one that dissipates is a contrail, but if it persists, it's an evil chemtrail. Those sites demonstrate that this distinction is not at all true.
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29th September 2008, 01:57 PM	#18
Caustic Logic Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,000	Thanks, guys. Also, the OP that was there last night until I bumped it, had mentioned studies on the flaked silver (?) used in cloud seeding, and its toxic effects on wildlife (mostly birds, I presume). There was an implied connection between seeding and chemtrails, and this being the harmful effect (not so much mind control or whatever) I'll look into it a bit.

29th September 2008, 10:03 PM	#19
TjW Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: up in the air Posts: 10,111	It truly is amazing. The disinfo program regarding chemtrails is over 65 years old! Consider this early disinfo attempt from that notorious NWO shill Antoine de Saint-Exupery: Quote: The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance caused by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside. From "Flight to Arras" Chapter 8 Copyright 1942 Available in Airman's Odyssey, published by Harcourt Brace & Company Notice how he cleverly implies that not only do high-flying airplanes leave contrails, but that when conditions are right, they will thicken and cover the sky! It's almost as though he had observed, over 65 years ago, the same sort of phenomena that people are seeing today.
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