Iraqi People Throw Shoes At W

The Central Scrutinizer · 14th December 2008, 05:56 PM

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/pol....shoe.pool.cnn

billw · 14th December 2008, 06:00 PM

Good for the sole to lace into a real heel.

quixotecoyote · 14th December 2008, 07:22 PM

people?

lionking · 14th December 2008, 07:49 PM

Good to see that objective journalism is alive and well in Iraq.

Zep · 14th December 2008, 08:05 PM

It's been explained to me that showing someone "the sole of the shoe" is the worst insult in the Arabic world. So this was really a symbolic form of extreme insult, perhaps the equivalent of a vituperous swearing tirade of insults.

So I rather suspect the journo was never going to be there to ask questions, take notes and report. And no doubt he would have been relieved of any armament at the outer door. So he was clever, and devised his own "improvised weapon". Pity his throwing arm was a bit girly though!

Frankly, I really would have liked to have seen one of the Iraqi Julius Marlowes bounce off Bush's noggin! After all he has done for the region, it's the best thing he should receive by way of thanks and a parting gift as the door hits his arse.

CFLarsen · 14th December 2008, 11:39 PM

American people blow up FBI building.

Just as accurate.

rjh01 · 14th December 2008, 11:53 PM

The video no longer works. It goes to the home page. However you can find it from there.

Lonewulf · 15th December 2008, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

American people blow up FBI building.

Just as accurate.

Wow. I finally agree with a Larsen post on political/social issues.

Something to note for world politics:

--If you're from Europe or America, you're an individual with rights.
--If you're from North Korea, Iraq, Iran, or anywhere the U.S. doesn't like, you're just part of the crowd and have no individuality.

Glad to see that we're helping some of the dictators do their jobs for them.

thatguywhojuggles · 15th December 2008, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by rjh01

The video no longer works. It goes to the home page. However you can find it from there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCKPp...p?hl=en&tab=wn

soylent · 15th December 2008, 04:24 AM

Should have learned from us westerners and used a nice, gooey pie from close range.

The Central Scrutinizer · 15th December 2008, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

American people blow up FBI building.

Which one?

Fordama · 15th December 2008, 08:37 AM

While I do think that Bush is the worst President in my lifetime, I have to give him credit for his evasion ability and reaction time! It looked like he was about to laugh right after the first shoe went by!

Fordama

I Ratant · 15th December 2008, 09:12 AM

Had Iraq adopted the National Pastime, the aim would have been better!

fuelair · 15th December 2008, 09:16 AM

Ther is another thread on this - just so you know!!

Darth Rotor · 15th December 2008, 10:00 AM

Agreeing with Larsen is enough to make a post.

But

Claus, it was the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, not "the FBI building." I know you meant well with that.

Summary from Wiki:

Quote:

By the 1990s, the building contained regional offices for the Social Security Administration, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). The building also contained recruiting offices for both the Army and the Marine Corps. It housed approximately 550 employees. In May 1994, the General Accounting Office recommended the removal of the day care center from the building.

It is thought that the ATF was the significant target of McVeigh, due to the Waco Koresh thing.

DR
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mikedenk · 15th December 2008, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

Had Iraq adopted the National Pastime, the aim would have been better!

I dunno, the first shoe looked dead-on, the second was maybe a little high...

Bush is surprisingly spry given that he looks like he's aged 25 years during the past 8.

CFLarsen · 15th December 2008, 11:23 AM

Timothy McVeigh targeted the government, not just the ATF.

Harpyja · 15th December 2008, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

Which one?

What happened here was that one Iraqi journalist threw a shoe at George W. Bush. You put as the title, "Iraqi People Throw Shoes," implying that that one Iraqi journalist was not acting as an individual with his own personal convictions, but acting as a representative of an entire race.

He was highlighting your perceived bigotry with an equally outlandish statement.
He (the poster) was being sarcastic.

gumboot · 15th December 2008, 03:08 PM

This is how Bush should have reacted:

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Skeptic Ginger · 15th December 2008, 03:54 PM

Double thread

Sunstealer · 15th December 2008, 04:09 PM

The irony is that if this journalist had done that to Saddam Hussein then he along with every member of his close and extended family would have been executed. GWB just shrugged it off and came out looking the better for it.

Brown · 15th December 2008, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sunstealer

The irony is that if this journalist had done that to Saddam Hussein then he along with every member of his close and extended family would have been executed. GWB just shrugged it off and came out looking the better for it.

There is another irony, too. Little Bush went to Iraq to try to put a good light on the Iraq mess that he created, and the shoe-thrower spoiled that plan.

ServiceSoon · 15th December 2008, 06:16 PM

Does the journalist have a good reason to be upset?

linusrichard · 15th December 2008, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Sunstealer

The irony is that if this journalist had done that to Saddam Hussein then he along with every member of his close and extended family would have been executed. GWB just shrugged it off and came out looking the better for it.

I always love these little "ironies." Bush is some kind of great guy because he's not as bad as Saddam Hussein? Talk about setting the bar low.

Skeptic Ginger · 15th December 2008, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sunstealer

The irony is that if this journalist had done that to Saddam Hussein then he along with every member of his close and extended family would have been executed. GWB just shrugged it off and came out looking the better for it.

Gee, now he only got arrested, beaten and had his family threatened by Maliki's security guards. Oh, and talk is that he'll be charged with attacking Maliki, not insulting Bush. I'm sure that carries a mild sentence range commensurate with the crime and the free speech and democracy we've installed in Saddam's place.

Skeptic Ginger · 15th December 2008, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by ServiceSoon

Does the journalist have a good reason to be upset?

Do you really need to ask that question?

JoeyDonuts · 15th December 2008, 10:20 PM

I did notice Maliki didn't really flinch at all. Tried to paw the second Hush Puppy out of the air, while Dubya was jinking and juking out the way.

mikedenk · 15th December 2008, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by JoeyDonuts

I did notice Maliki didn't really flinch at all. Tried to paw the second Hush Puppy out of the air, while Dubya was jinking and juking out the way.

He was probably so horribly mortified that all he could muster was a faint wave of his hand in front of Bush's face.

Regardless of the primary intent of the journalist, he delivered quite a blow to the honor of Maliki. Even if the PM were to hate Bush's guts, he is still a guest.

I really hope that the allegations of beatings and threats are false... the best thing the Iraqi government could do is to give the guy a fair and public trial on a reasonable charge. Simple assault or its Iraqi counterpart perhaps?

rjh01 · 15th December 2008, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by skeptigirl

Double thread

Well I gave the two threads the same tags.

The Central Scrutinizer · 16th December 2008, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Harpyja

What happened here was that one Iraqi journalist threw a shoe at George W. Bush. You put as the title, "Iraqi People Throw Shoes," implying that that one Iraqi journalist was not acting as an individual with his own personal convictions, but acting as a representative of an entire race.

Ahem: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...ile/index.html

Darth Rotor · 16th December 2008, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Timothy McVeigh targeted the government, not just the ATF.

Fair enough.

By the way, I will suggest that W's dad would have caught the shoe, being a Yale baseball player and all that. W, a cheerleader at Yale, may not have the instincts to be a good glove man.

W's own comments on the Flying Shoe Event:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/...l?iref=topnews

Quote:

Bush also addressed a Sunday incident in which Iraqi journalist Muntadhar al-Zaidi threw a shoe at him during a news conference with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.

"I didn't have much time to reflect on anything, I was ducking and dodging," Bush said.

The journalist was "looking for notoriety," Bush said, adding that authorities shouldn't "overact" in their treatment of him.
"First of all, it's got to be one of the most weird moments of my presidency," he said. "Here I am, getting ready to answer questions from a free press in a democratic Iraq, and a guy stands up and throws his shoe. And it was bizarre, and it was an interesting way for a person to express himself."

He added, "I'm not angry with the system. I believe that a free society is emerging, and a free society is necessary for our own security and peace."

CNN made a pun, eh? Watch reaction to the 'shoe-icide attack'

It hurts us, Precious!

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Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	It's been explained to me that showing someone "the sole of the shoe" is the worst insult in the Arabic world. So this was really a symbolic form of extreme insult, perhaps the equivalent of a vituperous swearing tirade of insults. So I rather suspect the journo was never going to be there to ask questions, take notes and report. And no doubt he would have been relieved of any armament at the outer door. So he was clever, and devised his own "improvised weapon". Pity his throwing arm was a bit girly though! Frankly, I really would have liked to have seen one of the Iraqi Julius Marlowes bounce off Bush's noggin! After all he has done for the region, it's the best thing he should receive by way of thanks and a parting gift as the door hits his arse.
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Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by CFLarsen American people blow up FBI building. Just as accurate. Wow. I finally agree with a Larsen post on political/social issues. Something to note for world politics: --If you're from Europe or America, you're an individual with rights. --If you're from North Korea, Iraq, Iran, or anywhere the U.S. doesn't like, you're just part of the crowd and have no individuality. Glad to see that we're helping some of the dictators do their jobs for them.
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mikedenk Muse Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Midsouth, USA Posts: 788	Originally Posted by I Ratant Had Iraq adopted the National Pastime, the aim would have been better! I dunno, the first shoe looked dead-on, the second was maybe a little high... Bush is surprisingly spry given that he looks like he's aged 25 years during the past 8.

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Harpyja Irrepressible Buzzard Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 636	Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer Which one? What happened here was that one Iraqi journalist threw a shoe at George W. Bush. You put as the title, "Iraqi People Throw Shoes," implying that that one Iraqi journalist was not acting as an individual with his own personal convictions, but acting as a representative of an entire race. He was highlighting your perceived bigotry with an equally outlandish statement. He (the poster) was being sarcastic.
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Sunstealer Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,596	The irony is that if this journalist had done that to Saddam Hussein then he along with every member of his close and extended family would have been executed. GWB just shrugged it off and came out looking the better for it.

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linusrichard Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lansing, Mich. Posts: 2,663	Originally Posted by Sunstealer The irony is that if this journalist had done that to Saddam Hussein then he along with every member of his close and extended family would have been executed. GWB just shrugged it off and came out looking the better for it. I always love these little "ironies." Bush is some kind of great guy because he's not as bad as Saddam Hussein? Talk about setting the bar low.

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Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,513	Originally Posted by Sunstealer The irony is that if this journalist had done that to Saddam Hussein then he along with every member of his close and extended family would have been executed. GWB just shrugged it off and came out looking the better for it. Gee, now he only got arrested, beaten and had his family threatened by Maliki's security guards. Oh, and talk is that he'll be charged with attacking Maliki, not insulting Bush. I'm sure that carries a mild sentence range commensurate with the crime and the free speech and democracy we've installed in Saddam's place.
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JoeyDonuts Frequencies Not Known To Normals Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 10,636	I did notice Maliki didn't really flinch at all. Tried to paw the second Hush Puppy out of the air, while Dubya was jinking and juking out the way.
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mikedenk Muse Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Midsouth, USA Posts: 788	Originally Posted by JoeyDonuts I did notice Maliki didn't really flinch at all. Tried to paw the second Hush Puppy out of the air, while Dubya was jinking and juking out the way. He was probably so horribly mortified that all he could muster was a faint wave of his hand in front of Bush's face. Regardless of the primary intent of the journalist, he delivered quite a blow to the honor of Maliki. Even if the PM were to hate Bush's guts, he is still a guest. I really hope that the allegations of beatings and threats are false... the best thing the Iraqi government could do is to give the guy a fair and public trial on a reasonable charge. Simple assault or its Iraqi counterpart perhaps?

15th December 2008, 11:27 PM	#29
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,171	Originally Posted by skeptigirl Double thread Well I gave the two threads the same tags.

16th December 2008, 12:01 PM	#30
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,264	Originally Posted by Harpyja What happened here was that one Iraqi journalist threw a shoe at George W. Bush. You put as the title, "Iraqi People Throw Shoes," implying that that one Iraqi journalist was not acting as an individual with his own personal convictions, but acting as a representative of an entire race. Ahem: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...ile/index.html
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Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,248	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Timothy McVeigh targeted the government, not just the ATF. Fair enough. By the way, I will suggest that W's dad would have caught the shoe, being a Yale baseball player and all that. W, a cheerleader at Yale, may not have the instincts to be a good glove man. W's own comments on the Flying Shoe Event: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/...l?iref=topnews Quote: Bush also addressed a Sunday incident in which Iraqi journalist Muntadhar al-Zaidi threw a shoe at him during a news conference with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki. "I didn't have much time to reflect on anything, I was ducking and dodging," Bush said. The journalist was "looking for notoriety," Bush said, adding that authorities shouldn't "overact" in their treatment of him. "First of all, it's got to be one of the most weird moments of my presidency," he said. "Here I am, getting ready to answer questions from a free press in a democratic Iraq, and a guy stands up and throws his shoe. And it was bizarre, and it was an interesting way for a person to express himself." He added, "I'm not angry with the system. I believe that a free society is emerging, and a free society is necessary for our own security and peace." CNN made a pun, eh? Watch reaction to the 'shoe-icide attack' It hurts us, Precious!
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