4 more years of theocracy

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Here's my predictions for the Bush administration.

1. We will pull out of Iraq within a year, and we'll get to see Iraq elect another dictator as president. Iraq will, yet again, be seen as a threat to freedom.

2. More faith-based bills will be introduced and passed to help the growth of christianity.

Nope.

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3. The "Marriage Protection Ammendment" will be shot down, but that's ok for him because most states have decided that homosexuals are 2nd class citizens anyway.

Close to the mark on that one.

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Instead, Bush will come up with a bill that will allow employers to discriminate based on sexual preference, something that requires people to state if they are single, married or civilly united.

Nope.

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4. Bush will pass a bill to allow charities to discriminate who they hire based on religion and sexual preference.

This needs a bill? Nope.

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5. Bush will start another war. I don't know which country, but dammit, they will be evil.

Nope. (On the other hand, he has expanded the Afghanistan scrap with strike into Pakistan, but it's not "another war." )

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6. Our youth will continue to get less education and resources for educators will continue to decline.

Hard to measure, but might be some truth to that one.

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7. Creationism will become part of biology class in most states.

Nope. (The case in Delaware, Ken)

Originally Posted by The Don

The right to abortion will be curtailed to the following:
- where a minister has approved
- where the mother's morals are at risk

Nope.

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Creationism will be accepted (though not mandatory) as an alternative to evilution in mainstream schools. Schools offering creationism will receive government based grants to fund the teaching (after all those books don't come cheap)

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Nope, but that's still being scrapped about, sad to say.

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People applying for citizenship will have to show adherence to one of a limited list of acceptable religions (atheism will not be one of them)

Nope.

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Access to visit the States will similarly be restricted

Nope.

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Access to government jobs will be similarly restricted.

Nope.

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Marriages will be similarly restricted. Children from couplings outside this linited definition of marriage will be wards of state an brought up in large faith-based kindergardens

Nope

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Abstainance programs will be the only acceptable form of sex education and birth control for under 21 year olds

Nope. You forget that the States run education.

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Hunting of homosexuals will be allowed (but within limited quotas) and only where permitted by local statute

Nope.

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The "Axis of Evil" will be expanded to include all secular states (most certainly including the French)

Nope.

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The General who ends up winning the Iraqi "elections" will be welcomed as an ally and Iraq will be renamed "The Halliburton Free Territory". Halliburton will hold a 99 year lease on the place.

Nope

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Responsibility for invading the next Muslim country will be outsourced to India. To everyone's astonishment Pakistan is invaded next.

Nope, too bad, might have been entertaining.

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JEB will be elected in 2008 and the programme will continue.

Npe

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

My modest prediction is that if he makes any new Supreme Court appointments, there will immediately be a challenge to Lawrence v Texas, even before Roe v Wade. Recriminalizing homosexuality, perhaps federally, would be a priority bone to throw to the churchies.

Nope.

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I do think abortion will be systematically criminalized.

Nope. On the other hand, some scraps continue there.

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Mexicans will be allowed to come to the USA to work, thus taking even more jobs away from USA citizens.

Yep. Good call, Ken.

Originally Posted by Jocko

You forgot #9:

Bitter chicken littles will continue to irrationally sow fear and doubt contrary to all available evidence, history and reason, much as they did in Reagan's second term. Contrary to those predictions, the apocalypse did not in fact occur.

Yep.

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

All of my predictions are sincere, except the Planet X one. Only time will tell. Oh, and my predictions are based on the last 4 years.

Not a psychic, but that's OK, your hit rate is better than Sylvia Browns.

Originally Posted by Anathema

Canadian spas start offering "Day of Beauty" packages that include a venti-skim-mocha-latte and a complimentary abortion, with special airfare & hotel packages arranged. Alternatively, the Dutch "Abortion Ship" will anchor in international waters off Florida, and dispense RU486 and Evian.

Nope.

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Top US medical researchers move to the Far East, where stem cells will be available in 5-gallon buckets.

Nope.

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Bush backs away from the Evangelicals and feigns a bit of moderation (now that he doesn't need them, since a Democratic victory in 2008 is almost certain). Hey, I guy can dream, right?

The second part of that was right, but it began in 2006. The first part? Not so much.

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The "left" in America learns that "What do we want? X!, when do we want it? NOW!" is not only simplistic and annoying, it is fantastically counterproductive.

Still haven't learned it, see annoyance with Obama's cabinet selections and not moving to fulfill campaign promises even though he ain't in office yet. :0p

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

The USA deficit will more than triple as well.

Good call, if not on the money, certainly in the ball park.

Originally Posted by jj

Jocko, you're precisely the kind of person who is going to participate in the Shrub's new pogroms, help him with his Krystalnacht against the people who won't vote for him, and help him install his totalitarian regime in the Court.

jj, WTF? Skeptic?

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What I expect is a wholesale attack on the separation of church and state, and the making of religion mandatory for obtaining government services. Oh, and a draft. It has to happen, 'W' is out of soldiers.

Nope.

Originally Posted by severin

the prospect of another four years of Ayatollah Bush is not a cheerful one. What affects you, affects us, as Blair crawls even further up Dubya's backside.

So far he crawled out of the PM seat. Also, mixed metaphors. Reverend Bush might be appropriate, Ayatollah is a Muslim office.

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It will be fascinating watching the First Amendment getting torn to shreds over the next few years,

Nope.

Originally Posted by jj

No, that won't happen. They have 4 years to change the rules so that the other guy can't run for the office, and they have already shown their willingness to attempt such behavior.

Nope.

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I also have to add that the majority of USA citizens do support the added theocracy that Bush provided to the USA government. Heck, the majority voted to ban gay marriage! Really, there isn't much to stop Bush from doing anything that I've predicted, especially not a fear of the voting public.

And then 2006 hit. The system works. So, nope.

Originally Posted by hgc

Maybe one day when the people wake up to a bankrupt nation and Kansans have to travel to New Jersey to get an abortion they'll start to think that radical redistribution of wealth upwards in our wonderful theocracy is a dumb idea.

It's not the theocracy, hgc, it's the financial, banking and investment banking profession that seems to have sucked up the money, NOT this theocracy you all kept yammering about. In that respect, you all owe some libertarians apologies.

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Religious people make me sick. There, I said it.

Yeah, we noticed.

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I meant, the other Republicans will stop Bush from doing anything too crazy. If they let him do nutty things, the public will turn on the entire Republican party. This election was close. Very close. The Republicans don't have to antagonize very many voters to get the opposite result next election.

DING DING DING! TM won the prediction contest, the 2006 and 2008 elections as evidence. Well done, psychic Monkey!

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Bush has nothing to lose, but everyone in Congress and the Senate certainly does. It's in their interests for things to run smoothly this term.

Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep

Learn to like them. They're in charge of things for the next four years.

Nope. The Next two.

Originally Posted by easycruise

Ok then, consider this..In the 3rd debate I went through the transcript and counted each time the candidates said the word "God", "Lord", or "Almighty". I only counted once if used twice in the same sentence.

Results? Kerry- 9 times, Bush- 2 times.
Who's the supposed theologian now?

Snicker

Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep

I hope you are right. But I am thinking we are on the verge of "McCarthyism: The Sequel", this time aimed at non-Christians.

Nope

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I would be equally worrieda bout the fate of the country if Kerry got in and had a large Democratic backing in congress. One of the reasons I voted for him is that I knew there was no way that was going to happen.

Good call, let's see how Obama and his Dem Congress work out.

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I could be wrong. I HOPE I'm wrong. But assuming good intentions on the part of any politician is asking for trouble.

Always true.

Originally Posted by Brown

Four more years of theocracy? Well, luckily, most of us won't have to endure that. Chances are we'll all be put up against the wall and shot within three years.

One more very smart guy saying something very stupid. It happens.

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Seriously, it may seem hard for some folks to believe, but there are some reasonable Republicans out there who don't buy into the notion that government ought to be encouraging religion. Make no mistake, there will be forces brought to bear to try to ram some religion down people's throats, but generally speaking, the separation of religion from governmental interference has pretty broad support.

Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep

Unfortunately, that support doesn't total QUITE 50%. So too damn bad for the rest of us. Close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades.

Nope.

Let this be a lesson to chicken littles: you are usually wrong.

So, will all of the ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) sufferers please look at what some BDSers did, and learn from their rather embarassing mistakes?

Also, Tragic Monkey wins the bets on this one.

DR

[tomwaits]

LOL at "Hunting of homosexuals will be allowed". Paranoid much?

[Klimax]

Just note for both sides.Theocracy or communist state or similar are not what you think. Those BDS sufferers used it completly wrong way.USA were as much theocracy as NK is democracy (or China/Cuba).Same applies however to communism and ODS sufferers.

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by Klimax

Just note for both sides.Theocracy or communist state or similar are not what you think. Those BDS sufferers used it completly wrong way.USA were as much theocracy as NK is democracy (or China/Cuba). Same applies however to communism and ODS sufferers.

Yep.

So, anyone have any predictions on the next four yeras?

If you look at the pathetic track record of the JREF prediction team, I suggest you all think real hard before predicting much of anything until the emotions are parked at the door.

Sylvia, you have some kindred spirits at JREF: they are typically wrong, just like you.

[Undesired Walrus]

Predictions? I predict that Prime Minister Cameron and President Obama will have a poor relationship, given the latters alleged dislike for the former. Obama will strengthen ties with Europe, but the 'special relationship' will suffer.

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Sylvia, you have some kindred spirits at JREF: they are typically wrong, just like you.

At least they're not fleecing suckers.

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Predictions? I predict that Prime Minister Cameron and President Obama will have a poor relationship, given the latters alleged dislike for the former. Obama will strengthen ties with Europe, but the 'special relationship' will suffer.

That would sadden me considerably. I find the special relationship a boon to both our nations.

DR

[Undesired Walrus]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

I find the special relationship a boon to both our nations.

I'm sure many Isolationists would call it a plague on both our houses!

That said, I'm no isolationist, but didn't you find the Bush/Blair relationship insufferable?

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

I'm sure many Isolationists would call it a plague on both our houses!

That said, I'm no isolationist, but didn't you find the Bush/Blair relationship insufferable?

Insufferable? I found it odd, given Blair as somewhat liberal and his arrival during the Clinton era with a similar "govern from the center" approach to Clinton's. (that is a very gross similarity.)

Blair's energetic support of the Bush war agenda was curious, but again, the special relationship works both ways.

Not being a Brit, I don't think "insufferable" is a way I'd see it in any case. I think Blair, for his various gifts and faults, is and was a far more accomplished politician than Bush. It is my guess that he provided Bush some useful insights.

The special relationship is bigger than a given pair of politicians.

DR

[DC]

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special relationship

what do you mean with that?
does that goe into the dorection of "special interests"?

[Undesired Walrus]

Replace the 'special' with 'self' and I'd say that is closer to the mark.

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

what do you mean with that?
does that goe into the dorection of "special interests"?

IIRC, Churchill coined that phrase as it applies to US/UK relationships. The US UK relationship was always there, given US origins, but the great leap forward came in WW I in terms of re-establishing our special relationship, followed by a massive move forward in WW II.

We share things with Brits, language aside, that we share with nobody else. It is indeed, for the time being, special. Unique relationship might be a better term if you are going to run off with "special interests" as somehow related.

No, it describes a peculiar political relationship.

DR

[Skeptic]

I am making no predictions about Obama's actions. Who knows? Heck, I don't know what *I* will be doing in four years -- or if I'll still be breathing -- so predicting what Obama will do is more or less impossible.

One prediction I can make, however: From now on, there is going to be an impression that things are going vastly better under Obama than under Bush. Part of this impression will be due to Obama being a better president and things actually being better, I am quite sure. But a large part of it will be due to the lack of "Obama Derangement Syndrome" similar to the "Bush Derangement Syndrome" of the Mainstream media.

For instance, some examples of what the lack of an ODS equivalent to the media's BDS would mean:

1). If Obama, say, attacks Iran (I have no idea if he will or not -- probably not, but who knows?), or sends the US armed forces on any mission, it will portrayed as as just, last-ditch, necessary defensive action, and not as the evil imperialistic machinations of an idiot president.

2). The media will magically lose interest in finding the "creeping theocracy" in everything Obama does, as they were trying to do with Bush.

3). The media will similarly lose interest in "exposing" covert CIA operations or similar things that "violate human rights". Whatever human rights violations are claimed will be justified as a necessary action for protecting the USA.

4). If the weather is unusually warm -- or unusually cold -- or unusually wet -- or unusually dry (etc., etc.) -- it will no longer be automatically attributed to global warming and blamed on Obama for not signing the Kyoto protocol, as it was on Bush.

5). If a bidge collapses, it will not be blamed on Obama "diverting needed funds from infrastructure to his war". Even if the USA is, in fact, in war at the time.

6). Hurricanes will no more the fault of the President of the USA. If a hurricane hits and there's a screw-up in the evacution, it will not be claimed that the reason for the screw-up is Obama's indifference towards suffering of Americans with a different skin color.

7). Certainly, Obama is an excellent speaker (I do not say this disparagingly -- being a good speaker is important for the US president, whose every public word is listened to by numerous people). But when he does occasionally falter in his speech, as we all do, no "Obama jokes" will make the rounds.

To be sure this is a good thing. Just because the absurd bias in most of the MSM about Bush exists hardly means that, "to be fair", it should act the same way about Obama. But if there's any more-or-less safe prediction about the next four years, this is it.

[Darth Rotor]

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3). The media will similarly lose interest in "exposing" covert CIA operations or similar things that "violate human rights". Whatever human rights violations are claimed will be justified as a necessary action for protecting the USA.

Nope. A CIA op exposed is too good a scoop for a reporter. Also, the HR violations are also fine fodder. Too juicy a target.

By the way, I am pleased Obama can pronounce nuclear. Now, get nuclear plants certified and operating. Make it a priority, Mr President Elect.

DR

[KingMerv00]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

7). Certainly, Obama is an excellent speaker (I do not say this disparagingly -- being a good speaker is important for the US president, whose every public word is listened to by numerous people). But when he does occasionally falter in his speech, as we all do, no "Obama jokes" will make the rounds.

There were "Bush jokes" because George blundered with disturbing frequency and was an awful public speaker overall.

[Undesired Walrus]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

6). Hurricanes will no more the fault of the President of the USA. If a hurricane hits and there's a screw-up in the evacution, it will not be claimed that the reason for the screw-up is Obama's indifference towards suffering of Americans with a different skin color.

If Obama acts with the same remarkable degree of aimlessness, the MSM will be all over him. You underestimate the size of the cock-up Bush made.

[Abdul Alhazred]

I predict Barack Obama will not be a surrender monkey.

[Mark6]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

4). If the weather is unusually warm -- or unusually cold -- or unusually wet -- or unusually dry (etc., etc.) -- it will no longer be automatically attributed to global warming and blamed on Obama for not signing the Kyoto protocol, as it was on Bush.

No, it will still be automatically attributed to global warming. But Obama will be pitied for "inheriting this mess" rather than blamed. He will be likewise pitied after any military disaster or major terrorist attack, should one happen during his administration.

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

By the way, I am pleased Obama can pronounce nuclear. Now, get nuclear plants certified and operating. Make it a priority, Mr President Elect.

DR

I predict he will do nothing to bring more nukes online. It will be ethanol, ethanol, ethanol. And ethanol.

[Damien Evans]

I predict that the Australia-US relationship will remain as strong as it ever has, especially given we've both kicked out our right wing parties around the same time.

For Australia only, I predict that at least 2 states, most likely NSW and SA, will vote in the liberals next election. (Australians have a habit of voting in the opposite parties in state and federal elections)

[mikeyx]

Originally Posted by WildCat

I predict he will do nothing to bring more nukes online. It will be ethanol, ethanol, ethanol. And ethanol.

if its flamable its napalmable, it's fine....

[shadron]

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I would like to hear predictions from conservatives of what Bush will accomplish this term. Anyone?

Well, he managed to shed Powell and about half of the justice department (including Yoo, thank the gods), both Ashcroft and Gonzales, Comey, and Rummy, and don't ever forget Scooter. He repealed six military and civilian leaders in Iraq (giving most of them medals on their ways out), even if you don't count Shinseki and Abizaid. Grove and a bunch of others scuttled.

Hell of a job, Brownie. The only two true believers left are Condi and Chaney, and Addington, who is so far beyond belief as to be unclassifiable.

[Wowbagger]

I predict Obama won't be our president for longer than 8 years.

[shadron]

I'll predict that Obama will do very little in bold strokes. I think he'll be much too busy trying to pull the military back together, get some of the Take-Hold-Rebuild going in both Iraq and Afghanistan, trying to do something useful about energy/global warming, trying to get out of the huge financial hole we're in and trying to keep his support shored up among a fickle electorate and a twice-fickle congress. It would take SuperMan and the whole Bat-cave to bring all that off, and he'll prove to just be a man. An improvement, for sure.

[Texas]

Obama will suffer the same fate as all politicians that successfully make themselves a blank slate that allows people to project their personal wants and dreams onto him in order to get elected. The "Obama derangement syndrome" is now concentrated on his left flank with his cabinet picks, his stance on Iraq, his shift from "hope and change" to "holy hell there really is a real world" on the economy and tax increases and even to his choice of minister to give a two minute invocation at his inauguration.. It is like the dog that finally catches the car it has been chasing and then wondering what the hell to do with it.

[GreyICE]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

1). If Obama, say, attacks Iran (I have no idea if he will or not -- probably not, but who knows?), or sends the US armed forces on any mission, it will portrayed as as just, last-ditch, necessary defensive action, and not as the evil imperialistic machinations of an idiot president.

Gods what short memory people have. Bush was granted almost stunning immunity from criticism during the Iraqi war build up and the actual war against Saddam. The media coverage could most accurately be described as boot-licking.

It was only after the entire small issue of the WMDs not, say, actually existing, that the media realized they'd cocked-up their questioning of the president in such a magnificent manner.

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2). The media will magically lose interest in finding the "creeping theocracy" in everything Obama does, as they were trying to do with Bush.

Dunno when they did this, except when he started faith-based initiatives (which are less like creeping theocracy and more like, well, theocracy).

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3). The media will similarly lose interest in "exposing" covert CIA operations or similar things that "violate human rights". Whatever human rights violations are claimed will be justified as a necessary action for protecting the USA.

I wonder if the Obama administration will take a similar attitude towards exposing covert CIA operations or operatives

In other news, I damn well hope the media watchdogs stuff like GITMO, and I will be all over them and Obama if Gitmo isn't shut down/brought into legality.

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4). If the weather is unusually warm -- or unusually cold -- or unusually wet -- or unusually dry (etc., etc.) -- it will no longer be automatically attributed to global warming and blamed on Obama for not signing the Kyoto protocol, as it was on Bush.

I haven't heard Kyoto for a while, and Clinton didn't sign it either.

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5). If a bidge collapses, it will not be blamed on Obama "diverting needed funds from infrastructure to his war". Even if the USA is, in fact, in war at the time.

Okay, well this is hopelessly specific.

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6). Hurricanes will no more the fault of the President of the USA. If a hurricane hits and there's a screw-up in the evacution, it will not be claimed that the reason for the screw-up is Obama's indifference towards suffering of Americans with a different skin color.

Once again, that was a magnificent cock-up of truly epic proportions. If Obama fails that badly, he's going to get blasted.

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To be sure this is a good thing. Just because the absurd bias in most of the MSM about Bush exists hardly means that, "to be fair", it should act the same way about Obama. But if there's any more-or-less safe prediction about the next four years, this is it.

I think there's a fair amount of selection bias in your recollections.

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by GreyICE

Dunno when they did this, except when he started faith-based initiatives (which are less like creeping theocracy and more like, well, theocracy).

No, that's not theocracy, it's more like the government interfering with the free exercise of religion. I realize that this smacks of libertarian idealism, but, if you want to keep the government out of your religion -- which is a good idea -- then run, don't walk, away from government funding of faith based initiatives.

As soon as the government gets its money into you, it has its finger up your colon. Squirm you will when government wiggles the digit.

One of the least clever ideas ever.

DR

[GreyICE]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

No, that's not theocracy, it's more like the government interfering with the free exercise of religion. I realize that this smacks of libertarian idealism, but, if you want to keep the government out of your religion -- which is a good idea -- then run, don't walk, away from government funding of faith based initiatives.

As soon as the government gets its money into you, it has its finger up your colon. Squirm you will when government wiggles the digit.

One of the least clever ideas ever.

DR

Theocracy almost always involves the government interfering with the free exercise of religion. For some reason theocracies always decide that their magical santa is superior to other people's magical santa, and that the other people worshipping the wrong santa deserve to suffer in some way. They usually end up putting a reasonably tight relationship between the church and the state too, just to avoid some priest developing a conscience and speaking out about how stupid the persecution of others is.

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by GreyICE

Theocracy almost always involves the government interfering with the free exercise of religion. For some reason theocracies always decide that their magical santa is superior to other people's magical santa, and that the other people worshipping the wrong santa deserve to suffer in some way. They usually end up putting a reasonably tight relationship between the church and the state too, just to avoid some priest developing a conscience and speaking out about how stupid the persecution of others is.

The monolithic Christianity you fear is not present in the US. Herding cats would be easier than getting these bickering Christians to agree. No matter how many times that allusion, that favorite strawman is presented, it's still straw, man.

DR

[Travis]

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

So, with the re-election of the incumbent preacher, I have to wonder. Will Bush get a clue and realize that he's pissing off around 50% of the American people? I doubt it. Here's my predictions for the Bush administration.

1. We will pull out of Iraq within a year, and we'll get to see Iraq elect another dictator as president. Iraq will, yet again, be seen as a threat to freedom.

2. More faith-based bills will be introduced and passed to help the growth of christianity.

3. The "Marriage Protection Ammendment" will be shot down, but that's ok for him because most states have decided that homosexuals are 2nd class citizens anyway. Instead, Bush will come up with a bill that will allow employers to discriminate based on sexual preference, something that requires people to state if they are single, married or civilly united.

4. Bush will pass a bill to allow charities to discriminate who they hire based on religion and sexual preference.

5. Bush will start another war. I don't know which country, but dammit, they will be evil.

6. Our youth will continue to get less education and resources for educators will continue to decline.

7. Creationism will become part of biology class in most states.

8. Planet X will land.

Originally Posted by The Don

None of these will actually happen - but if they do, you heard it here first

The right to abortion will be curtailed to the following:
- where a minister has approved
- where the mother's morals are at risk

Creationism will be accepted (though not mandatory) as an alternative to evilution in mainstream schools. Schools offering creationism will receive government based grants to fund the teaching (after all those books don't come cheap).

People applying for citizenship will have to show adherence to one of a limited list of acceptable religions (atheism will not be one of them)

Access to visit the States will similarly be restricted

Access to government jobs will be similarly restricted.

Marriages will be similarly restricted. Children from couplings outside this linited definition of marriage will be wards of state an brought up in large faith-based kindergardens

Abstainance programs will be the only acceptable form of sex education and birth control for under 21 year olds

Hunting of homosexuals will be allowed (but within limited quotas) and only where permitted by local statute

The "Axis of Evil" will be expanded to include all secular states (most certainly including the French)

The General who ends up winning the Iraqi "elections" will be welcomed as an ally and Iraq will be renamed "The Halliburton Free Territory". Halliburton will hold a 99 year lease on the place.

Responsibility for invading the next Muslim country will be outsourced to India. To everyone's astonishment Pakistan is invaded next.

JEB will be elected in 2008 and the programme will continue.

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I do think abortion will be systematically criminalized.

Originally Posted by Anathema

Canadian spas start offering "Day of Beauty" packages that include a venti-skim-mocha-latte and a complimentary abortion, with special airfare & hotel packages arranged. Alternatively, the Dutch "Abortion Ship" will anchor in international waters off Florida, and dispense RU486 and Evian.

Top US medical researchers move to the Far East, where stem cells will be available in 5-gallon buckets.

Bush backs away from the Evangelicals and feigns a bit of moderation (now that he doesn't need them, since a Democratic victory in 2008 is almost certain). Hey, I guy can dream, right?

Okay, out of all the predictions on the first page this is the first one that is actually reasonable and, for the most part, came true.

I mean what the hell? If someone had just shown me these predictions and told me they were made by the looniest of loony Conspiracy Theorists I totally would have bought it. That's how far outside of the realm of reality these were.

I realize this was the day after the election and people were upset but I voted for Kerry too and even I could have seen these as bizarre and unlikely, to say the least.

Originally Posted by jj

Jocko, you're precisely the kind of person who is going to participate in the Shrub's new pogroms, help him with his Krystalnacht against the people who won't vote for him, and help him install his totalitarian regime in the Court.

You're a traitor to this country, just like your beloved president.

What I expect is a wholesale attack on the separation of church and state, and the making of religion mandatory for obtaining government services. Oh, and a draft. It has to happen, 'W' is out of soldiers.

Wow! "Pogroms?" "Krystalnacht?" "You're a traitor to this country, just like your beloved president?" Talk about putting the rhetoric on steroids.

Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep

I hope you are right. But I am thinking we are on the verge of "McCarthyism: The Sequel", this time aimed at non-Christians. Congress seems filled to me with idealogues so far to the right they make Bush seem like Micheal Moore's even more liberal cousin. Rather than reigning in Bush, they strike me as likely to egg him on. And they don't have a dam thing to worry about their job because apparently, there is a large enough segment of the population that likes them that way to keep them in office.

....and check off an allegation of "McCarthyism."

Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep

You are right about most of the things that people disliked about Bush being approved by congress, though. I would be equally worrieda bout the fate of the country if Kerry got in and had a large Democratic backing in congress. One of the reasons I voted for him is that I knew there was no way that was going to happen.

I wonder if a President Obama with huge Democrat control of the House and Senate elicits as much fear from Nyarlanthotep as was promised here?

[gtc]

Well America has another President who is a middle aged Christian male with a white mother; so the election of Obama is clearly another step towards the theocracy.