Informal Poll - 9/11 Debunker Demographics - Page 4

AJM8125 · 11th March 2009, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by 911files

Okay, so a bunch of guys (good age range) who outnumber the girls (they have more sense) from all political leanings who tend to have enough in the way of talent and brains to make a good living and have angry sons who live in their basement who surf the net with angry twoofer stuff.

Wins the thread.

Mr. Skinny · 11th March 2009, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by 911files

Okay, so a bunch of guys (good age range) who outnumber the girls (they have more sense) from all political leanings who tend to have enough in the way of talent and brains to make a good living and have angry sons who live in their basement who surf the net with angry twoofer stuff.

I kicked my son out of the house when he was 23. Far too old to be living off daddy.

BCR · 11th March 2009, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Skinny

I kicked my son out of the house when he was 23. Far too old to be living off daddy.

Oh my, he is definitely an angry twoofer type then. I had to the same with mine too back in 2002.

Mr. Skinny · 11th March 2009, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by 911files

Oh my, he is definitely an angry twoofer type then. I had to the same with mine too back in 2002.

Ordinarily, I'd agree.

However, he has never bought into conspiracy stuff. He calls me to verify rumors sometimes. Seems he trusts my opinion and is willing to check out things for himself. If he turns truther, I'd be suprised, but I will agree that he'd be the right age and education level to be sucked into 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Glad he never went there.

T.A.M. · 11th March 2009, 06:34 PM

As I said, if anyone wants to compile different numbers from the data (such as median age, or anything else to be gleaned), be my guest.

TAM

Grizzly Bear · 11th March 2009, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

As I said, if anyone wants to compile different numbers from the data (such as median age, or anything else to be gleaned), be my guest.

TAM

I might give it a try before I work on my video assignment tomorrow. You think an excel spreadsheet might work for some of this?

T.A.M. · 11th March 2009, 06:48 PM

I think it would work. There were some answers, however, that will be a little tough to categorize (see Applecorped response).

TAM

Dave Rogers · 12th March 2009, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Political:
Liberal/Dem = 38.5%
Conservative/Rep = 15.4%
Mix (of lib/con) = 18.5%
Independent = 10.7%
Other = 16.9%

This paints rather a different picture from the Neocon Bush Apologist canard that truthers like to present, doesn't it?

Dave

T.A.M. · 12th March 2009, 04:14 AM

yes. The conservative number was rather low. Lower than I even expected. Most people in the "mixed" category described themselves as "Social Liberals, Fiscal Conservative".

TAM

Foolmewunz · 12th March 2009, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

yes. The conservative number was rather low. Lower than I even expected. Most people in the "mixed" category described themselves as "Social Liberals, Fiscal Conservative".

TAM

You have to realize that conservative is a relative term. If the truthers in question are flirting with the far left (as most of the remnants seem to be), then anyone moderate or liberal is conservative to them.

Architect · 12th March 2009, 11:41 AM

Indeed, it is often remarked that even the mainstream UK right is further to the Left than the US Democrats.

BCR · 12th March 2009, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

This paints rather a different picture from the Neocon Bush Apologist canard that truthers like to present, doesn't it?

Dave

The sad thing is, conservatives did not really care for Bush during his second term. I run a right-wing political blog and the past few years we had a lot to say about "King George". I guess the difference is between Bush-hatred and simply honest disagreement with his policies.

bje · 12th March 2009, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Architect

Indeed, it is often remarked that even the mainstream UK right is further to the Left than the US Democrats.

Yes, and the UK right is more health conscious. They shave their heads to keep away the lice.

DavidJames · 12th March 2009, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by 911files

The sad thing is, conservatives did not really care for Bush during his second term. I run a right-wing political blog and the past few years we had a lot to say about "King George". I guess the difference is between Bush-hatred and simply honest disagreement with his policies.

I have an "honest disagreement with his policies", as, I believe, do most liberals and Democrats.

I think the concept of "Bush-hatred" is more a blustery attempt by some conservatives to rationalize, categorize and ultimately marginalize the "loyal" opposition.

Actually, I think the ultimate reason was (is) more to avoid having to defend his policies then anything.

Don't get me wrong, there are the extremes, which exist on both sides.

I'll drop the politics now with this. I hope the stats are enlightening to those that might assume how someone thinks based on how they vote. Now, let's go find the threads about birthers and see if a majority of the debunking comes from conservatives

Architect · 12th March 2009, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by bje

Yes, and the UK right is more health conscious. They shave their heads to keep away the lice.

I think you'll find that you missed the "mainstream" bit. And incidentally, if these chaps got lice it would be the only functioning bit of their heads....

Klimax · 12th March 2009, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Architect

I think you'll find that you missed the "mainstream" but. And incidentally, if these chaps got lice it would be the only functioning bit of their heads....

You're lucky that there is no double t.

stateofgrace · 13th March 2009, 05:44 PM

Age? 49
Sex? Male
Marital Status? Married, three children.
Annual Income (<50K, 50-100K, >100K)? 100K +
Political affiliation (Liberal/Dem, Conservative/Rep, other)? None.
Education Level (high school, College - undergrad, College - post grad)? BSc,HND,HNC, ONC Electrical Engineering.

Sunstealer · 13th March 2009, 06:48 PM

Age? 35
Sex? Male
Marital Status? Single
Annual Income (<50K, 50-100K, >100K)? 50-100K (will drop as the £ dives against the $)
Political affiliation (Liberal/Dem, Conservative/Rep, other)? conservative, with a small c in the UK sense.
Education Level (high school, College - undergrad, College - post grad)? University, Degree - metallurgy and materials engineering.
CoR - UK

I think job or current employment might have been useful - eg: you could have studied x, but have 10 years experience in y.

Architect · 14th March 2009, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

how much you wanna bet that debunkers, on average make more then truthers, are older then truthers, have a better education then truthers, and are more politicaly moderate then truthers?

or..in fewer words..we have our $#&@ together.

Well, as a far wiser man than I said:

Tha sibh mar na h-uain a's t-earrach
Suibhal 's a leam, tapaidh saor
Ach an fhacabh sibh na caoraich aosd'
Ni aon dhuibh gluasad's leanaidh 'n cor

Nuair bhios na bliadhnaichean 'dol bhuabh
Lathan deirdh lathan dorch
Cum do choneil an ard is laighste
'S coisich an saoghal le cridhe og

zorro99 · 16th March 2009, 07:17 AM

Age? 44
Sex? Often

M
Marital Status:Married
Annual Income: >100K with benefits
Political affiliation: Moderate - conservative
Education Level: some post-grad school

JimBenArm · 16th March 2009, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by zorro99

Age? 44
Sex? Often

M
Marital Status:Married
Annual Income: >100K with benefits
Political affiliation: Moderate - conservative
Education Level: some post-grad school

Liar!
Sex? Often
Marital Status: Married

No way! Unless you be gettin' some somewhere else...

Firestone · 16th March 2009, 08:59 AM

Age:	31
Sex:	Female
Marital Status:	Married, 1 daughter
Political Affiliation:	Liberal
Education Level:	MA

SpaceMonkeyZero · 17th March 2009, 12:48 PM

Age? 36
Sex? M
Marital Status? Yes w/ kids
Annual Income: Household > 100
Political affiliation: Social Libertarian Fiscal Conservative
Education Level: BS in Comp Sci.

11th March 2009, 05:08 PM	#122
Mr. Skinny Alien Cryogenic Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 8,192	Originally Posted by 911files Okay, so a bunch of guys (good age range) who outnumber the girls (they have more sense) from all political leanings who tend to have enough in the way of talent and brains to make a good living and have angry sons who live in their basement who surf the net with angry twoofer stuff. I kicked my son out of the house when he was 23. Far too old to be living off daddy.
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11th March 2009, 05:10 PM	#123
BCR Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Memphis Posts: 2,239	Originally Posted by Mr. Skinny I kicked my son out of the house when he was 23. Far too old to be living off daddy. Oh my, he is definitely an angry twoofer type then. I had to the same with mine too back in 2002.
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11th March 2009, 05:42 PM	#124
Mr. Skinny Alien Cryogenic Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 8,192	Originally Posted by 911files Oh my, he is definitely an angry twoofer type then. I had to the same with mine too back in 2002. Ordinarily, I'd agree. However, he has never bought into conspiracy stuff. He calls me to verify rumors sometimes. Seems he trusts my opinion and is willing to check out things for himself. If he turns truther, I'd be suprised, but I will agree that he'd be the right age and education level to be sucked into 9/11 conspiracy theories. Glad he never went there.
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11th March 2009, 06:45 PM	#126
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5,689	Originally Posted by T.A.M. As I said, if anyone wants to compile different numbers from the data (such as median age, or anything else to be gleaned), be my guest. TAM I might give it a try before I work on my video assignment tomorrow. You think an excel spreadsheet might work for some of this?
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12th March 2009, 01:58 AM	#128
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,894	Originally Posted by T.A.M. Political: Liberal/Dem = 38.5% Conservative/Rep = 15.4% Mix (of lib/con) = 18.5% Independent = 10.7% Other = 16.9% This paints rather a different picture from the Neocon Bush Apologist canard that truthers like to present, doesn't it? Dave
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11th March 2009, 04:30 PM	#121
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,250	Originally Posted by 911files Okay, so a bunch of guys (good age range) who outnumber the girls (they have more sense) from all political leanings who tend to have enough in the way of talent and brains to make a good living and have angry sons who live in their basement who surf the net with angry twoofer stuff. Wins the thread.

11th March 2009, 06:34 PM	#125
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	As I said, if anyone wants to compile different numbers from the data (such as median age, or anything else to be gleaned), be my guest. TAM

11th March 2009, 06:48 PM	#127
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	I think it would work. There were some answers, however, that will be a little tough to categorize (see Applecorped response). TAM

12th March 2009, 04:14 AM	#129
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	yes. The conservative number was rather low. Lower than I even expected. Most people in the "mixed" category described themselves as "Social Liberals, Fiscal Conservative". TAM

12th March 2009, 08:06 AM	#130
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,497	Originally Posted by T.A.M. yes. The conservative number was rather low. Lower than I even expected. Most people in the "mixed" category described themselves as "Social Liberals, Fiscal Conservative". TAM You have to realize that conservative is a relative term. If the truthers in question are flirting with the far left (as most of the remnants seem to be), then anyone moderate or liberal is conservative to them.
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12th March 2009, 11:41 AM	#131
Architect Chief Punkah Wallah Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: UK Posts: 8,477	Indeed, it is often remarked that even the mainstream UK right is further to the Left than the US Democrats.
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12th March 2009, 12:30 PM	#132
BCR Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Memphis Posts: 2,239	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers This paints rather a different picture from the Neocon Bush Apologist canard that truthers like to present, doesn't it? Dave The sad thing is, conservatives did not really care for Bush during his second term. I run a right-wing political blog and the past few years we had a lot to say about "King George". I guess the difference is between Bush-hatred and simply honest disagreement with his policies.
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12th March 2009, 12:33 PM	#133
bje Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: On Solid Ground Posts: 1,280	Originally Posted by Architect Indeed, it is often remarked that even the mainstream UK right is further to the Left than the US Democrats. Yes, and the UK right is more health conscious. They shave their heads to keep away the lice.
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12th March 2009, 01:33 PM	#134
DavidJames Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 7,083	Originally Posted by 911files The sad thing is, conservatives did not really care for Bush during his second term. I run a right-wing political blog and the past few years we had a lot to say about "King George". I guess the difference is between Bush-hatred and simply honest disagreement with his policies. I have an "honest disagreement with his policies", as, I believe, do most liberals and Democrats. I think the concept of "Bush-hatred" is more a blustery attempt by some conservatives to rationalize, categorize and ultimately marginalize the "loyal" opposition. Actually, I think the ultimate reason was (is) more to avoid having to defend his policies then anything. Don't get me wrong, there are the extremes, which exist on both sides. I'll drop the politics now with this. I hope the stats are enlightening to those that might assume how someone thinks based on how they vote. Now, let's go find the threads about birthers and see if a majority of the debunking comes from conservatives
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12th March 2009, 02:21 PM	#135
Architect Chief Punkah Wallah Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: UK Posts: 8,477	Originally Posted by bje Yes, and the UK right is more health conscious. They shave their heads to keep away the lice. I think you'll find that you missed the "mainstream" bit. And incidentally, if these chaps got lice it would be the only functioning bit of their heads....
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12th March 2009, 02:34 PM	#136
Klimax NWO cyborg (3930K inside) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Starship Wanderer - DS9 Posts: 7,882	Originally Posted by Architect I think you'll find that you missed the "mainstream" but. And incidentally, if these chaps got lice it would be the only functioning bit of their heads.... You're lucky that there is no double t.
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13th March 2009, 05:44 PM	#137
stateofgrace Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,847	Age? 49 Sex? Male Marital Status? Married, three children. Annual Income (<50K, 50-100K, >100K)? 100K + Political affiliation (Liberal/Dem, Conservative/Rep, other)? None. Education Level (high school, College - undergrad, College - post grad)? BSc,HND,HNC, ONC Electrical Engineering.

13th March 2009, 06:48 PM	#138
Sunstealer Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,590	Age? 35 Sex? Male Marital Status? Single Annual Income (<50K, 50-100K, >100K)? 50-100K (will drop as the £ dives against the $) Political affiliation (Liberal/Dem, Conservative/Rep, other)? conservative, with a small c in the UK sense. Education Level (high school, College - undergrad, College - post grad)? University, Degree - metallurgy and materials engineering. CoR - UK I think job or current employment might have been useful - eg: you could have studied x, but have 10 years experience in y.

14th March 2009, 08:25 AM	#139
Architect Chief Punkah Wallah Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: UK Posts: 8,477	Originally Posted by parky76 how much you wanna bet that debunkers, on average make more then truthers, are older then truthers, have a better education then truthers, and are more politicaly moderate then truthers? or..in fewer words..we have our $#&@ together. Well, as a far wiser man than I said: Tha sibh mar na h-uain a's t-earrach Suibhal 's a leam, tapaidh saor Ach an fhacabh sibh na caoraich aosd' Ni aon dhuibh gluasad's leanaidh 'n cor Nuair bhios na bliadhnaichean 'dol bhuabh Lathan deirdh lathan dorch Cum do choneil an ard is laighste 'S coisich an saoghal le cridhe og
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16th March 2009, 07:17 AM	#140
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16th March 2009, 07:52 AM	#141
JimBenArm Based on a true story! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 12,967	Originally Posted by zorro99 Age? 44 Sex? Often M Marital Status:Married Annual Income: >100K with benefits Political affiliation: Moderate - conservative Education Level: some post-grad school Liar! Sex? Often Marital Status: Married No way! Unless you be gettin' some somewhere else...
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17th March 2009, 12:48 PM	#143
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