Dino-blood and the Young Earth

Abdul Alhazred · 15th February 2004, 01:18 PM

Maybe this belongs in Religion rather than Science, but there's some real science here and it's a close call, so here it is.

Dino-blood and the Young Earth

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A common young earth creationist (YEC) misinterpretation of the discovery of surviving organic, and organometalic molecules in ancient bone is that this "proves" that the Earth is young and that geological and radiometric data should be ignored. The ancient surviving materials they commonly refer to are fragments of hemoglobin and osteocalcin (a bone protein) extracted from dinosaur bone. There are many problems with their position, but ultimately it reduces to nothing other than they just don't think that organic molecules can last a long while. The "Creation Science" approach is to deny the independent results of geology, chemistry and astronomy because these molecules exist.

This is from a point of view that I don't quite agree with, but he sure gives is to the young-Earthers.

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pupdog · 16th February 2004, 05:50 AM

What do the YECs have to say about other biological molecules--numbers of which have been found in Proterozoic rocks, much older than the dinosaurs, predating even the Cambrian explosion?

Agammamon · 17th February 2004, 12:57 PM

That they believe that biologicals can not exist for long periods and that therefore the other dating methods must be wrong.

Ladewig · 17th February 2004, 01:29 PM

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That they believe that biologicals can not exist for long periods and that therefore the other dating methods must be wrong.

Or more precisely, any dating method that produces any result over 10,000 years is wrong. All research is devoted to determining why all those methods are wrong.

As for whether or not we are talking about science. If the data predicted by a theory and the data collected in the field differ by six orders of magnitude and the researchers' only thought is, "why are those people collecting data making so many mistakes," then we are not dealing with science.

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Yahweh · 17th February 2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by pupdog
What do the YECs have to say about other biological molecules--numbers of which have been found in Proterozoic rocks, much older than the dinosaurs, predating even the Cambrian explosion?

The Evil Atheist Conspiracy manufactures the biological molecules, ages them with some unknown process, and plants them in the ground for scientists to find later. Come on, open your eyes!

15th February 2004, 01:18 PM	#1
Abdul Alhazred Yes, that one. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,475	Dino-blood and the Young Earth Maybe this belongs in Religion rather than Science, but there's some real science here and it's a close call, so here it is. Dino-blood and the Young Earth Quote: A common young earth creationist (YEC) misinterpretation of the discovery of surviving organic, and organometalic molecules in ancient bone is that this "proves" that the Earth is young and that geological and radiometric data should be ignored. The ancient surviving materials they commonly refer to are fragments of hemoglobin and osteocalcin (a bone protein) extracted from dinosaur bone. There are many problems with their position, but ultimately it reduces to nothing other than they just don't think that organic molecules can last a long while. The "Creation Science" approach is to deny the independent results of geology, chemistry and astronomy because these molecules exist. This is from a point of view that I don't quite agree with, but he sure gives is to the young-Earthers. Please click the link before replying.
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16th February 2004, 05:50 AM	#2
pupdog Muse Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 627	What do the YECs have to say about other biological molecules--numbers of which have been found in Proterozoic rocks, much older than the dinosaurs, predating even the Cambrian explosion?
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17th February 2004, 12:57 PM	#3
Agammamon Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,385	That they believe that biologicals can not exist for long periods and that therefore the other dating methods must be wrong.
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17th February 2004, 01:29 PM	#4
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,786	Quote: That they believe that biologicals can not exist for long periods and that therefore the other dating methods must be wrong. Or more precisely, any dating method that produces any result over 10,000 years is wrong. All research is devoted to determining why all those methods are wrong. As for whether or not we are talking about science. If the data predicted by a theory and the data collected in the field differ by six orders of magnitude and the researchers' only thought is, "why are those people collecting data making so many mistakes," then we are not dealing with science. ___________________________ On the outside chance the Young Earthers are right and the remote chance that I get to Heaven, I hope I can watch a movie of the flood that created the Grand Canyon. That'd be cool.
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17th February 2004, 02:36 PM	#5
Yahweh Ayay ashay ayay Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,029	Quote: Originally posted by pupdog What do the YECs have to say about other biological molecules--numbers of which have been found in Proterozoic rocks, much older than the dinosaurs, predating even the Cambrian explosion? The Evil Atheist Conspiracy manufactures the biological molecules, ages them with some unknown process, and plants them in the ground for scientists to find later. Come on, open your eyes!
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