You'll need a scorebook (New Palestinian Gov't.)

webfusion · 19th May 2009, 06:10 PM

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1086829.html
The new PA cabinet presented on Tuesday has conclusively dashed any hope of Palestinian reconciliation, and with it, the possibility that the Hamas regime in Gaza can be ousted in the near future. The composition of this new government basically renders a "two-state solution" with Israel irrelevant, since there is now a de-facto rift and no connection between Gaza and the West Bank.

If you are a follower of Palestinian politics, you better have a scorebook handy to keep track of these new 'players' ----- Even the Palestinian public will need some time to learn the names of their unfamiliar cabinet ministers.

a_unique_person · 19th May 2009, 06:52 PM

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So what, after all, is the source of Obama's optimism? One prominent Palestinian commentator ventured that it stems from ignorance. "Obama still doesn't know what the Middle East is and what the Palestinian issue is," he said. "With time, he will learn."

Marc39 · 19th May 2009, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by webfusion

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If you are a follower of Palestinian politics, you better have a scorebook handy to keep track of these new 'players' ----- Even the Palestinian public will need some time to learn the names of their unfamiliar cabinet ministers.

"Palestinian" politics? Their "politicians" are all terrorists and their politics is all about who has the best policy of murdering Jews.

Darth Rotor · 19th May 2009, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by webfusion

If you are a follower of Palestinian politics, you better have a scorebook handy to keep track of these new 'players' ----- Even the Palestinian public will need some time to learn the names of their unfamiliar cabinet ministers.

coal miner voice

They are all a buncha furriners, who cares what their names are?

Originally Posted by Marc39

"Palestinian" politics? Their "politicians" are all terrorists and their politics is all about who has the best policy of murdering Jews.

Their politics is about other things as well, such as who gets to get their hands on Arab League and foreign aid the soonest, and which Swiss bankers are still discrete, and whose name is shouted the loudest on street corners as the most baddes Pal dude of them all.

Not just about killin' Jews, Marc. These are not two dimensional people.

DR

Tin Foil Timothy · 19th May 2009, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Marc39

"Palestinian" politics? Their "politicians" are all terrorists and their politics is all about who has the best policy of murdering Jews.

Contrary to the beliefs of the extremists I don't see the Palestinians traveling all around the world in some silly crusade to murder Jews.

Actually what some of them are doing is fighting back against the racist and terrorist behavior of Israel. I don't blame them, You steal my land, murder my relatives and occupy my lands and impose racist apartheid upon my people I'd be firing more than primitive rockets at you.

Of course it's a less then a one dimensional viewpoint making it a 'Jewish' issue. This rubbish is a baby crying victimization. No one is listening to this rubbish about 'anti-semitism' anymore'. It's run it's course. It's been dubunked as nonsense. Israel has been exposed as a racist and terrorist regime.

The Palestinians should fight back against this vile behavior and I fully support them. I do not condone the killing of innocent Israelis however and I am proud to be able to see innocent Israelis as human beings and not 'savages'.

Skeptic · 20th May 2009, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Not just about killin' Jews, Marc. These are not two dimensional people.

Yes, there's also, as you noted, theft, bribe-taking, etc.; as well as killing of political opponents, prosecuting "infidels" and gays, etc.

Considering the Constitution they were elected under and the organizations to which they belong, this is hardly surprising. The PLO and Hamas constititons -- calling for equality, justice, peace on earth, and the destruction of Israel and the Jews -- remind me of the Krikkits of Douglas Adams' Life, the Universe, and Everything, who leave their homeworld in spaceships singing songs of happiness, brotherhood, and destroying the whole universe.

Marc39 · 20th May 2009, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Tin Foil Timothy

Contrary to the beliefs of the extremists I don't see the Palestinians traveling all around the world in some silly crusade to murder Jews.

Allow me to educate you...

Munich Olympics massacre, resulting in the murder of 11 Israeli athletes

Hijacking of the Italian cruise ship the Achille Lauro and Leon Klinghoffer, a wheelchair-bound passenger, thrown overboard in his wheelchair to his death.

Arafat proudly boasting about inventing airline hijacking and conducting numerous airline hijackings, resulting in the terrorizing of hundreds of passengers. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine has engaged in a series of airline hijackings and bombings.

The kidnapping and murder of two American diplomats, one of whom was the highest-ranking African-American in the American diplomatic corps at the time, and one Belgian diplomat in Khartoum, Sudan. The murders were so brutal that the races of the victims could not be determined by direct examination.

PLO targeting Jewish synagogues around the world, killing dozens of Jewish worshippers in Paris, Vienna, Brussels, Rome and Istanbul who had no connection with Israel.

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Actually what some of them are doing is fighting back against the racist and terrorist behavior of Israel.

Rubbish, as usual. The Arabs started a reign of terror against the Jews dating back to the Muslim conquest of Palestine in the 7th century, when Jews were massacred and persecuted. Jews living in Muslim countries were historically subjugated by being forced into the discriminatory system of dhimmitude.

More recently, Jews were the target of massacres in Hebron in the late
1920s and pogroms in the 1930s committed by Arabs. Jews were attacked by Arabs in three wars, one of which took place on the holiest day of the Jewish year.

Most recently, Jews have been victimized by constant Arab violence and suicide and car bombings, as well as thousands of rockets fired into Israel for years by Hamas. I could go on, but, my point is made.

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I don't blame them, You steal my land, murder my relatives and occupy my lands and impose racist apartheid upon my people I'd be firing more than primitive rockets at you.

Completely devoid of historical accuracy and demonstrative of a stunning lack of knowledge of Middle Eastern events. Pals were dispossessed of their land by other Arabs and Muslims during 400 years of Ottoman Muslim Turkish rule. You have made this libelous allegation numerous times, and, I have corrected you numerous times. Ottoman land reform deliberately undermined Pal ownership of land and transferred the land to wealthy Arab landlords. Making false statements does a disservice to readers of this forum by misinforming them.

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Of course it's a less then a one dimensional viewpoint making it a 'Jewish' issue. This rubbish is a baby crying victimization. No one is listening to this rubbish about 'anti-semitism' anymore'. It's run it's course. It's been dubunked as nonsense. Israel has been exposed as a racist and terrorist regime.

Pure counterfactual and emotional outburst .

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The Palestinians should fight back against this vile behavior and I fully support them. I do not condone the killing of innocent Israelis however and I am proud to be able to see innocent Israelis as human beings and not 'savages'.

More of the same. Double yawn.

Almo · 20th May 2009, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by webfusion

The composition of this new government basically renders a "two-state solution" with Israel irrelevant...

It always has been irrelevant. Just look at the map of Palestinian-controlled land year on year. It just keeps getting smaller.

Praktik · 20th May 2009, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Marc39

"Palestinian" politics? Their "politicians" are all terrorists and their politics is all about who has the best policy of murdering Jews.

lol!

Marc39 · 20th May 2009, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Almo

It always has been irrelevant. Just look at the map of Palestinian-controlled land year on year. It just keeps getting smaller.

Jews have to live somewhere, why not the West Bank?

Tin Foil Timothy · 20th May 2009, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Marc39

Allow me to educate you...

Marc39 · 20th May 2009, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Almo

It always has been irrelevant. Just look at the map of Palestinian-controlled land year on year. It just keeps getting smaller.

Maybe because it's not "Palestinian-controlled land"

Sword_Of_Truth · 20th May 2009, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by webfusion

The composition of this new government basically renders a "two-state solution" with Israel irrelevant, since there is now a de-facto rift and no connection between Gaza and the West Bank.

Fine... three states then. Just build big wall around the two smaller ones and line them with guard towers and then just wait for the people inside the walls to grow the hell up.

Thunder · 20th May 2009, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

Fine... three states then. Just build big wall around the two smaller ones and line them with guard towers and then just wait for the people inside the walls to grow the hell up.

I suspect that Israel will help Fatah win the next election and kick Hamas out of Gaza.

Marc39 · 20th May 2009, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

I suspect that Israel will help Fatah win the next election...

Then, Hamas wins in a landslide.

Thunder · 20th May 2009, 02:42 PM

If Israel lifted the blockade, and let in all the food and other supplies the people of Gaza needed, Fatah would win the next election. Hungry bellies = Hamas wins.

19th May 2009, 06:10 PM	#1
webfusion Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Near I-95 Posts: 6,216	You'll need a scorebook (New Palestinian Gov't.) http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1086829.html The new PA cabinet presented on Tuesday has conclusively dashed any hope of Palestinian reconciliation, and with it, the possibility that the Hamas regime in Gaza can be ousted in the near future. The composition of this new government basically renders a "two-state solution" with Israel irrelevant, since there is now a de-facto rift and no connection between Gaza and the West Bank. If you are a follower of Palestinian politics, you better have a scorebook handy to keep track of these new 'players' ----- Even the Palestinian public will need some time to learn the names of their unfamiliar cabinet ministers.

19th May 2009, 06:52 PM	#2
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19th May 2009, 08:24 PM	#3
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by webfusion [url] If you are a follower of Palestinian politics, you better have a scorebook handy to keep track of these new 'players' ----- Even the Palestinian public will need some time to learn the names of their unfamiliar cabinet ministers. "Palestinian" politics? Their "politicians" are all terrorists and their politics is all about who has the best policy of murdering Jews.
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19th May 2009, 08:34 PM	#4
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,279	Originally Posted by webfusion If you are a follower of Palestinian politics, you better have a scorebook handy to keep track of these new 'players' ----- Even the Palestinian public will need some time to learn the names of their unfamiliar cabinet ministers. *coal miner voice* They are all a buncha furriners, who cares what their names are? Originally Posted by Marc39 "Palestinian" politics? Their "politicians" are all terrorists and their politics is all about who has the best policy of murdering Jews. Their politics is about other things as well, such as who gets to get their hands on Arab League and foreign aid the soonest, and which Swiss bankers are still discrete, and whose name is shouted the loudest on street corners as the most baddes Pal dude of them all. Not just about killin' Jews, Marc. These are not two dimensional people. DR
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19th May 2009, 09:12 PM	#5
Tin Foil Timothy Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,089	Originally Posted by Marc39 "Palestinian" politics? Their "politicians" are all terrorists and their politics is all about who has the best policy of murdering Jews. Contrary to the beliefs of the extremists I don't see the Palestinians traveling all around the world in some silly crusade to murder Jews. Actually what some of them are doing is fighting back against the racist and terrorist behavior of Israel. I don't blame them, You steal my land, murder my relatives and occupy my lands and impose racist apartheid upon my people I'd be firing more than primitive rockets at you. Of course it's a less then a one dimensional viewpoint making it a 'Jewish' issue. This rubbish is a baby crying victimization. No one is listening to this rubbish about 'anti-semitism' anymore'. It's run it's course. It's been dubunked as nonsense. Israel has been exposed as a racist and terrorist regime. The Palestinians should fight back against this vile behavior and I fully support them. I do not condone the killing of innocent Israelis however and I am proud to be able to see innocent Israelis as human beings and not 'savages'.
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20th May 2009, 07:51 AM	#6
Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the chessboard Posts: 18,361	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor Not just about killin' Jews, Marc. These are not two dimensional people. Yes, there's also, as you noted, theft, bribe-taking, etc.; as well as killing of political opponents, prosecuting "infidels" and gays, etc. Considering the Constitution they were elected under and the organizations to which they belong, this is hardly surprising. The PLO and Hamas constititons -- calling for equality, justice, peace on earth, and the destruction of Israel and the Jews -- remind me of the Krikkits of Douglas Adams' Life, the Universe, and Everything, who leave their homeworld in spaceships singing songs of happiness, brotherhood, and destroying the whole universe.

20th May 2009, 09:06 AM	#7
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by Tin Foil Timothy Contrary to the beliefs of the extremists I don't see the Palestinians traveling all around the world in some silly crusade to murder Jews. Allow me to educate you... Munich Olympics massacre, resulting in the murder of 11 Israeli athletes Hijacking of the Italian cruise ship the Achille Lauro and Leon Klinghoffer, a wheelchair-bound passenger, thrown overboard in his wheelchair to his death. Arafat proudly boasting about inventing airline hijacking and conducting numerous airline hijackings, resulting in the terrorizing of hundreds of passengers. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine has engaged in a series of airline hijackings and bombings. The kidnapping and murder of two American diplomats, one of whom was the highest-ranking African-American in the American diplomatic corps at the time, and one Belgian diplomat in Khartoum, Sudan. The murders were so brutal that the races of the victims could not be determined by direct examination. PLO targeting Jewish synagogues around the world, killing dozens of Jewish worshippers in Paris, Vienna, Brussels, Rome and Istanbul who had no connection with Israel. Quote: Actually what some of them are doing is fighting back against the racist and terrorist behavior of Israel. Rubbish, as usual. The Arabs started a reign of terror against the Jews dating back to the Muslim conquest of Palestine in the 7th century, when Jews were massacred and persecuted. Jews living in Muslim countries were historically subjugated by being forced into the discriminatory system of dhimmitude. More recently, Jews were the target of massacres in Hebron in the late 1920s and pogroms in the 1930s committed by Arabs. Jews were attacked by Arabs in three wars, one of which took place on the holiest day of the Jewish year. Most recently, Jews have been victimized by constant Arab violence and suicide and car bombings, as well as thousands of rockets fired into Israel for years by Hamas. I could go on, but, my point is made. Quote: I don't blame them, You steal my land, murder my relatives and occupy my lands and impose racist apartheid upon my people I'd be firing more than primitive rockets at you. Completely devoid of historical accuracy and demonstrative of a stunning lack of knowledge of Middle Eastern events. Pals were dispossessed of their land by other Arabs and Muslims during 400 years of Ottoman Muslim Turkish rule. You have made this libelous allegation numerous times, and, I have corrected you numerous times. Ottoman land reform deliberately undermined Pal ownership of land and transferred the land to wealthy Arab landlords. Making false statements does a disservice to readers of this forum by misinforming them. Quote: Of course it's a less then a one dimensional viewpoint making it a 'Jewish' issue. This rubbish is a baby crying victimization. No one is listening to this rubbish about 'anti-semitism' anymore'. It's run it's course. It's been dubunked as nonsense. Israel has been exposed as a racist and terrorist regime. Pure counterfactual and emotional outburst . Quote: The Palestinians should fight back against this vile behavior and I fully support them. I do not condone the killing of innocent Israelis however and I am proud to be able to see innocent Israelis as human beings and not 'savages'. More of the same. Double yawn.
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20th May 2009, 10:43 AM	#8
Almo Masterblazer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 6,407	Originally Posted by webfusion The composition of this new government basically renders a "two-state solution" with Israel irrelevant... It always has been irrelevant. Just look at the map of Palestinian-controlled land year on year. It just keeps getting smaller.
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Praktik Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tee Dot Posts: 4,255	Originally Posted by Marc39 "Palestinian" politics? Their "politicians" are all terrorists and their politics is all about who has the best policy of murdering Jews. lol!
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20th May 2009, 10:45 AM	#10
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by Almo It always has been irrelevant. Just look at the map of Palestinian-controlled land year on year. It just keeps getting smaller. Jews have to live somewhere, why not the West Bank?
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20th May 2009, 10:59 AM	#11
Tin Foil Timothy Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,089	Originally Posted by Marc39 Allow me to educate you...
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20th May 2009, 02:08 PM	#12
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by Almo It always has been irrelevant. Just look at the map of Palestinian-controlled land year on year. It just keeps getting smaller. Maybe because it's not "Palestinian-controlled land"
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20th May 2009, 02:11 PM	#13
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by webfusion The composition of this new government basically renders a "two-state solution" with Israel irrelevant, since there is now a de-facto rift and no connection between Gaza and the West Bank. Fine... three states then. Just build big wall around the two smaller ones and line them with guard towers and then just wait for the people inside the walls to grow the hell up.

20th May 2009, 02:38 PM	#14
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth Fine... three states then. Just build big wall around the two smaller ones and line them with guard towers and then just wait for the people inside the walls to grow the hell up. I suspect that Israel will help Fatah win the next election and kick Hamas out of Gaza.

20th May 2009, 02:39 PM	#15
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	Originally Posted by parky76 I suspect that Israel will help Fatah win the next election... Then, Hamas wins in a landslide.
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20th May 2009, 02:42 PM	#16
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	If Israel lifted the blockade, and let in all the food and other supplies the people of Gaza needed, Fatah would win the next election. Hungry bellies = Hamas wins.