The Theory of Evolution is Extinct. Atheism too?

bwinwright · 23rd June 2009, 01:55 PM

I have wonderful news! The Theory of Evolution is Extinct and since this erroneous theory is the "evidence" most atheists use to justify their atheism, what now?

I was reading The Energetic Engine of Evolution by David Wilcock in the back of his book entitled The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, which contains some excerpts from The Divine Cosmos and Divine Nature.

One of the excerpts entitled The Theory of Evolution is Extinct refers to the breakthrough research of Tim Harwood who claims to have scientific evidence proving The Theory of Evolution is wrong. Visit Tim Harwood's website for complete information.

Harwood says, "Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless."

Tim also says, "I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. We will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an idea could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has."

He also said, "Every single concept advanced by the theory of evolution...is imaginary as it is not supported by the scientifically established facts of microbiology, fossils, and mathematical probability concepts. Darwin was wrong...The theory of evolution may be the worst mistake (ever) made in science."

Of course, he has much more to say, so visit his website and check out his research findings, his proof that Darwin was wrong. Wow! What might the wise atheist do now?

Now, just supposing I was calling myself an atheist and this guy Harwood is correct, that some form of intelligence or consciousness really has been involved in all of it? I would stop calling myself an atheist.

Instead, I would label myself a Classical Pantheist who just happens to be anti-organized religion with all their theistic dogmatism.. I just don't like all those inquisitions, crusades, witch trials, and pedophile priests.

Pantheism? I can hear some of you screaming now, "Where's your evidence?"

Look, sometimes all we have is enough evidence to formulate an opinion. Do I believe I can be the first human to prove, scientifically, the existence of an omnipresent and omniscient form of consciousness? No.

However, based on the Hindu concept of Brahman, the Buddhist concept of Dharmakaya, even Einstein's Unified Field which he couldn't prove after 30 years of trying, I feel that labeling myself a Classical Pantheist is the most intelligent option available to me at this point in my EVOLUTION.

Anyway, I though I'd give some of you Darwin loving atheists a head's up on this one. Maybe someone will tell Richard Dawkins too. After all, he's made a fortune taking advantage of so many gullible and trusting souls.

godless dave · 23rd June 2009, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by bwinwright

I have wonderful news! The Theory of Evolution is Extinct and since this erroneous theory is the "evidence" most atheists use to justify their atheism, what now?

No, it isn't, and no, we don't.

Nogbad · 23rd June 2009, 02:04 PM

While some astronomers have scoffed at the notion of a Photon Band, other scientists who grasp the higher-dimensional nature of this network's light understand that it not only exists but plays a critical role in cosmic evolution. Wilcock's research indicates that something very much like a Photon Band most definitely exists as lines of higher-dimensional torsion radiation emanating from Galactic Center. Both Wilcock and Clow envision the Photon Band as tracing figure-eights throughout the spiraling pattern of the Milky Way Galaxy (see Figure above). It appears from Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev's research involving aether that such looping energy based on the phi ratio (1.6180339) is, among other things, directly responsible for our cyclical experience of time.

Meh!

RandFan · 23rd June 2009, 02:05 PM

Nutcase: I have evidence that gravity is not true.
The credulous: Will you folks abandon propulsion and brakes?

Fiona · 23rd June 2009, 02:12 PM

Well, bwinwright, even if everything you report is true and everything that darwin thought is false that would not impinge on my atheism one bit: for me evolution has nothing to say about how it all got started: and neither has religion. Fact is we don't know. And I can see no reason at all to care

CORed · 23rd June 2009, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by RandFan

Nutcase: I have evidence that gravity is not true.
The credulous: Will you folks abandon propulsion and brakes?

Damn you! Now I can't get any work done because I have to use one hand to keep myself from floating out of my chair.

RandFan · 23rd June 2009, 02:17 PM

This would be a good place to post Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit.

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Shermer mentions Evolution BTW.

I'm having problems with my youtube tags.

Pardalis · 23rd June 2009, 02:24 PM

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

There you go RandFan

Twiler · 23rd June 2009, 02:47 PM

Bwinwright, I can't find Tim Harwood's site. Link plz?

I desperately want to examine his research so that I can assess it, and decide its value.

Nogbad · 23rd June 2009, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Twiler

Bwinwright, I can't find Tim Harwood's site. Link plz?

I desperately want to examine his research so that I can assess it, and decide its value.

I quoted a bit from a linked site - I couldn't be arsed going any further

http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=977765

Pretty picture though

Twiler · 23rd June 2009, 02:52 PM

I suspect that bwinwright doesn't know either, given that he makes no mention of the relevant research in his post.

ravdin · 23rd June 2009, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by bwinwright

One of the excerpts entitled The Theory of Evolution is Extinct refers to the breakthrough research of Tim Harwood who claims to have scientific evidence proving The Theory of Evolution is wrong. Visit Tim Harwood's website for complete information.

Link?

I googled "Tim Harwood", who should rightfully be the most famous person on the planet by now, and came up with nothing.

Pardalis · 23rd June 2009, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Nogbad

I quoted a bit from a linked site - I couldn't be arsed going any further

http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=977765

Pretty picture though

from the link:

"humanity is on the verge of a near-spontaneous metamorphosis into a more highly evolved state of consciousness."

Will this hurt?

cbish · 23rd June 2009, 03:04 PM

I suspect a post and run.

Anyway, for my Chili Sauce I use about a 1/3 C. Chili Paste and 1/3 C. Rice Wine Vinegar. Add some chopped Cilantro, Ginger, and Garlic. Refrigerate.

Nogbad · 23rd June 2009, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

from the link:

"humanity is on the verge of a near-spontaneous metamorphosis into a more highly evolved state of consciousness."

Will this hurt?

I have a glass of malt by me in case (medicinal obviously)

Nogbad · 23rd June 2009, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by cbish

I suspect a post and run.

Anyway, for my Chili Sauce I use about a 1/3 C. Chili Paste and 1/3 C. Rice Wine Vinegar. Add some chopped Cilantro, Ginger, and Garlic. Refrigerate.

That is only 2/3rds of a sauce

cbish · 23rd June 2009, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Nogbad

That is only 2/3rds of a sauce

It's a dipping sauce. It goes along way. Sorry for not specifying. I use it for Spring Rolls.

Nogbad · 23rd June 2009, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by cbish

It's a dipping sauce. It goes along way. Sorry for not specifying. I use it for Spring Rolls.

My mistake - the c is a measurement.

Wrong head on. My bad.

RandFan · 23rd June 2009, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

There you go RandFan

Doh! Ya gotta remove the embed.

Thanks.

thaiboxerken · 23rd June 2009, 03:24 PM

Evolution is extinct? That's it, I'm going to stop medication right now, since much of it came from the study of evolutionary processes.

Mojo · 23rd June 2009, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Nogbad

Wrong head on.

What do you apply that directly to?

cbish · 23rd June 2009, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Nogbad

My mistake - the c is a measurement.

Wrong head on. My bad.

It's about 100 ml of each.

NobbyNobbs · 23rd June 2009, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by bwinwright

The Theory of Evolution is Extinct

Wow. First the dodo, then the passenger pigeon, and now the theory of evolution. When will the horror end? Mankind's rape of Mother Earth must be stopped!

(I wonder if randomly applied bold-face typing can be made extinct?)

Nogbad · 23rd June 2009, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Mojo

What do you apply that directly to?

I'm an accountant - if I see a 1/3 and then another 1/3 my brain looks for the missing 1/3 to make the books balance.

I'll go and shoot myself

Nogbad · 23rd June 2009, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by NobbyNobbs

Wow. First the dodo, then the passenger pigeon, and now the theory of evolution. When will the horror end? Mankind's rape of Mother Earth must be stopped!

(I wonder if randomly applied bold-face typing can be made extinct?)

Prolly climate change wot done it.

paximperium · 23rd June 2009, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by NobbyNobbs

Wow. First the dodo, then the passenger pigeon, and now the theory of evolution. When will the horror end? Mankind's rape of Mother Earth must be stopped!

(I wonder if randomly applied bold-face typing can be made extinct?)

Not until Creationists and ID-iots are laughed out of existence.

slingblade · 23rd June 2009, 03:55 PM

My atheism is not related to my acceptance of evolutionary theory.
I accepted that while I was still a fundie, thanks.

Foster Zygote · 23rd June 2009, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by bwinwright

I have wonderful news! The Theory of Evolution is Extinct and since this erroneous theory is the "evidence" most atheists use to justify their atheism, what now?

I remember James Dobson making the same baseless assertion back in the late '70s. The theory of evolution by natural selection is stronger than ever.

By the way, there were atheists long before Charles Darwin published his work and many, if not most Christians around the world accept the theory as valid.

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I was reading The Energetic Engine of Evolution by David Wilcock in the back of his book entitled The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, which contains some excerpts from The Divine Cosmos and Divine Nature.

Wilcock is a joke.

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One of the excerpts entitled The Theory of Evolution is Extinct refers to the breakthrough research of Tim Harwood who claims to have scientific evidence proving The Theory of Evolution is wrong. Visit Tim Harwood's website for complete information.

Harwood is a pseudo-scientific charlatan, much like Wilcock.

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Harwood says, "Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless."

Then Harwood is an ignorant fool who knows nothing of the biological sciences.

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Tim also says, "I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. We will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an idea could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has."

I'm sorry, could you repeat that? I couldn't hear you over the noise of the irony.

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He also said, "Every single concept advanced by the theory of evolution...is imaginary as it is not supported by the scientifically established facts of microbiology, fossils, and mathematical probability concepts. Darwin was wrong...The theory of evolution may be the worst mistake (ever) made in science."

It sounds like this quack has found a lucrative target audience of scientifically ignorant stooges to buy the new age fantasies that he is selling.

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Of course, he has much more to say, so visit his website and check out his research findings, his proof that Darwin was wrong. Wow! What might the wise atheist do now?

I suspect I'll do pretty much the same thing I do regarding the "revelations" of people like Sylvia Browne and Peter Popov.

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Now, just supposing I was calling myself an atheist and this guy Harwood is correct, that some form of intelligence or consciousness really has been involved in all of it? I would stop calling myself an atheist.

And if he actually proves that unicorns and leprechauns exist then I will accept that they exist. Of course, he hasn't proved anything.

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Instead, I would label myself a Classical Pantheist who just happens to be anti-organized religion with all their theistic dogmatism. I just don't like all those inquisitions, crusades, witch trials, and pedophile priests.

Call yourself whatever you want.

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Pantheism? I can hear some of you screaming now, "Where's your evidence?"

If you want to label natural mechanisms "God", that's fine. I won't ask you for evidence of natural mechanisms. If you want to call your cat "God", I won't ask that you prove the existence of cats.

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Look, sometimes all we have is enough evidence to formulate an opinion. Do I believe I can be the first human to prove, scientifically, the existence of an omnipresent and omniscient form of consciousness? No.

We are in agreement.

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However, based on the Hindu concept of Brahman, the Buddhist concept of Dharmakaya, even Einstein's Unified Field which he couldn't prove after 30 years of trying, I feel that labeling myself a Classical Pantheist is the most intelligent option available to me at this point in my EVOLUTION.

I'm sorry, but what does unified field physics have to do with any of the rest? That's just the sort of thing that frauds like Harwood do: They use really technical sounding jargon to make themselves look smart to those who aren't educated enough to know that their jargon is meaningless.

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Anyway, I though I'd give some of you Darwin loving atheists a head's up on this one. Maybe someone will tell Richard Dawkins too. After all, he's made a fortune taking advantage of so many gullible and trusting souls.

Now the irony is deafening.

HansMustermann · 23rd June 2009, 04:00 PM

Well, that's got to be a gem in its own way. Lemme see,

- a complete lack of logic (no, bare postulates about cycles and rays that move in figure eights do not a proof make),

- _admitting_ that he has no evidence, but, hey, all opinions must be equal and his is equal even without evidence apparently

- name-dropping some things he doesn't understand. (No, Einstein's unified field ideas had _nothing_ to do with religion. A unified field is no a cosmic consciousness. Sorry.)

- bonus points for even being aware that neither of those is his proof, but apparently he thinks that if enough different people believe in X, that's somehow in itself proof of indication of X anyway (Hint: just because several different mythologies have undead, it doesn't make it real.)

- complete lack of understanding of what atheism even is and why darwinism is about as relevant to it as fish are to bycicles (Sorry dude, if you were an atheist just because of Darwin, then you didn't understand either, and we're actually better off without you.)

... all in a single message.

... and topped with some snotty talking down, too.

Yep, it's a keeper. This is no ordinary stupidity. This is so much brain lacking, that you have to wonder how can he breathe on his own.

Sun Countess · 23rd June 2009, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by slingblade

My atheism is not related to my acceptance of evolutionary theory.
I accepted that while I was still a fundie, thanks.

Well, slap me upside the head and call me Bizarro-Slingblade. I've been an atheist my whole life, but didn't accept the theory of evolution until university.

Tricky · 23rd June 2009, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by bwinwright

I have wonderful news! The Theory of Evolution is Extinct and since this erroneous theory is the "evidence" most atheists use to justify their atheism, what now?

Oh dear. Who's going to break the news to Steve?

plumjam · 23rd June 2009, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by bwinwright

Tim also says, "I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. We will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an idea could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has."

I agree. Particularly when it comes to the part of evolution which postulates that the gamut of variegated and extraordinarily complex forms of life came about via natural selection of unguided mutations.
In decades to come I'm sure that part will be viewed in the way we now view other bits of materialist madness which, likewise, were not only taken seriously, but for some time dominated their respective fields of inquiry.
e.g.
Freudianism - in which male children wanted to kill their fathers and **** their mothers

Behaviourism - in which psychologists seriously tried to study psychology.. minus the psyche

Marxism - in which The State was introduced as a God-substitute, and over 110 million citizens were murdered

Anthropogenic Global Warming - Communism, and other materialist social ideologies, failed, so now we have little choice but to derive our meaning in life via pretending to each other that the planet is in imminent danger, that it's our fault, and that there's something we can and must do about it. Such as put our waste paper in a special bin, and get charged for the privilege.
(This latter one has the most currency at the moment. It's another joke, and when you're old you'll see it as such.)

joobz · 23rd June 2009, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by plumjam

I agree. Particularly when it comes to the part of evolution which postulates that the gamut of variegated and extraordinarily complex forms of life came about via natural selection of unguided mutations.

umm... why do you hate reality?

Pardalis · 23rd June 2009, 04:58 PM

Those evolution/911/global warming deniers are hilarious.

They bring life to the forum.

paximperium · 23rd June 2009, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by plumjam

I agree. Particularly when it comes to the part of evolution which postulates that the gamut of variegated and extraordinarily complex forms of life came about via natural selection of unguided mutations.

Oh well, Bwins and PJ's Argument from Ignorance sure trumps overwhelming evidence and the entire world of biology.

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In decades to come I'm sure that part will be viewed in the way we now view other bits of materialist madness which, likewise, were not only taken seriously, but for some time dominated their respective fields of inquiry.

Haven't the Creationists and ID-iots been claiming that since Darwin first published Origin of Species? Delusion and wishful thinking is so quaint.

Jeff Corey · 23rd June 2009, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by plumjam

...Behaviourism - in which psychologists seriously tried to study psychology.. minus the psyche...

True, and it still does. All psychologists still study behavior. No psyche to it.

D'rok · 23rd June 2009, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by plumjam

I agree. Particularly when it comes to the part of evolution which postulates that the gamut of variegated and extraordinarily complex forms of life came about via natural selection of unguided mutations.

Argument from personal incredulity. Not very persuasive.

plumjam · 23rd June 2009, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff Corey

True, and it still does. All psychologists still study behavior. No psyche to it.

Says Pavlov's dog.

slingblade · 23rd June 2009, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sun Countess

Well, slap me upside the head and call me Bizarro-Slingblade. I've been an atheist my whole life, but didn't accept the theory of evolution until university.

While still a child, I reasoned that if god were all-powerful, there was no reason why he couldn't use evolution as a tool. Because god can do anything he wants, any way he wants.

I did say I was a fundie. The skewed reasoning follows from that.

Jeff Corey · 23rd June 2009, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by plumjam

Says Pavlov's dog.

Well, it's either that or Skinner's rat.

23rd June 2009, 01:55 PM	#1
bwinwright Thinker Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 154	The Theory of Evolution is Extinct. Atheism too? I have wonderful news! *The Theory of Evolution is Extinct* and since this erroneous theory is the "evidence" most atheists use to justify their atheism, what now? I was reading The Energetic Engine of Evolution by David Wilcock in the back of his book entitled The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, which contains some excerpts from The Divine Cosmos and Divine Nature. One of the excerpts entitled The Theory of Evolution is Extinct refers to the breakthrough research of Tim Harwood who claims to have scientific evidence proving The Theory of Evolution is wrong. Visit Tim Harwood's website for complete information. Harwood says, "Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless." Tim also says, "I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. We will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an idea could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has." He also said, "Every single concept advanced by the theory of evolution...is imaginary as it is not supported by the scientifically established facts of microbiology, fossils, and mathematical probability concepts. Darwin was wrong...The theory of evolution may be the worst mistake (ever) made in science." Of course, he has much more to say, so visit his website and check out his research findings, his proof that Darwin was wrong. Wow! What might the wise atheist do now? Now, just supposing I was calling myself an atheist and this guy Harwood is correct, that some form of intelligence or consciousness really has been involved in all of it? I would stop calling myself an atheist. Instead, I would label myself a Classical Pantheist who just happens to be anti-organized religion with all their theistic dogmatism.. I just don't like all those inquisitions, crusades, witch trials, and pedophile priests. Pantheism? I can hear some of you screaming now, "Where's your evidence?" Look, sometimes all we have is enough evidence to formulate an opinion. Do I believe I can be the first human to prove, scientifically, the existence of an omnipresent and omniscient form of consciousness? No. However, based on the Hindu concept of Brahman, the Buddhist concept of Dharmakaya, even Einstein's Unified Field which he couldn't prove after 30 years of trying, I feel that labeling myself a Classical Pantheist is the most intelligent option available to me at this point in my EVOLUTION. Anyway, I though I'd give some of you Darwin loving atheists a head's up on this one. Maybe someone will tell Richard Dawkins too. After all, he's made a fortune taking advantage of so many gullible and trusting souls.
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23rd June 2009, 01:57 PM	#2
godless dave Great Dalmuti Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: St. Paul, Minnesota Posts: 3,545	Originally Posted by bwinwright I have wonderful news! *The Theory of Evolution is Extinct* and since this erroneous theory is the "evidence" most atheists use to justify their atheism, what now? No, it isn't, and no, we don't.
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23rd June 2009, 02:04 PM	#3
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,091	While some astronomers have scoffed at the notion of a Photon Band, other scientists who grasp the higher-dimensional nature of this network's light understand that it not only exists but plays a critical role in cosmic evolution. Wilcock's research indicates that something very much like a Photon Band most definitely exists as lines of higher-dimensional torsion radiation emanating from Galactic Center. Both Wilcock and Clow envision the Photon Band as tracing figure-eights throughout the spiraling pattern of the Milky Way Galaxy (see Figure above). It appears from Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev's research involving aether that such looping energy based on the phi ratio (1.6180339) is, among other things, directly responsible for our cyclical experience of time. Meh!
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23rd June 2009, 02:05 PM	#4
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 31,097	The Theory of Gravity is Extinct, inertia too? Nutcase: I have evidence that gravity is not true. The credulous: Will you folks abandon propulsion and brakes?
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23rd June 2009, 02:12 PM	#5
Fiona Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,877	Well, bwinwright, even if everything you report is true and everything that darwin thought is false that would not impinge on my atheism one bit: for me evolution has nothing to say about how it all got started: and neither has religion. Fact is we don't know. And I can see no reason at all to care
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23rd June 2009, 02:14 PM	#6
CORed Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 607	Originally Posted by RandFan Nutcase: I have evidence that gravity is not true. The credulous: Will you folks abandon propulsion and brakes? Damn you! Now I can't get any work done because I have to use one hand to keep myself from floating out of my chair.
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23rd June 2009, 02:47 PM	#9
Twiler Muse Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 643	Bwinwright, I can't find Tim Harwood's site. Link plz? I desperately want to examine his research so that I can assess it, and decide its value.
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23rd June 2009, 02:50 PM	#10
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,091	Originally Posted by Twiler Bwinwright, I can't find Tim Harwood's site. Link plz? I desperately want to examine his research so that I can assess it, and decide its value. I quoted a bit from a linked site - I couldn't be arsed going any further http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=977765 Pretty picture though
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23rd June 2009, 02:52 PM	#11
Twiler Muse Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 643	I suspect that bwinwright doesn't know either, given that he makes no mention of the relevant research in his post.
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23rd June 2009, 02:58 PM	#12
ravdin Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The People's Republic of Berkeley, CA Posts: 1,601	Originally Posted by bwinwright One of the excerpts entitled The Theory of Evolution is Extinct refers to the breakthrough research of Tim Harwood who claims to have scientific evidence proving The Theory of Evolution is wrong. Visit Tim Harwood's website for complete information. Link? I googled "Tim Harwood", who should rightfully be the most famous person on the planet by now, and came up with nothing.
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23rd June 2009, 02:59 PM	#13
Pardalis Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 18,547	Originally Posted by Nogbad I quoted a bit from a linked site - I couldn't be arsed going any further http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=977765 Pretty picture though from the link: "humanity is on the verge of a near-spontaneous metamorphosis into a more highly evolved state of consciousness." Will this hurt?
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23rd June 2009, 03:04 PM	#14
cbish Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Nevada City, CA Posts: 1,191	I suspect a post and run. Anyway, for my Chili Sauce I use about a 1/3 C. Chili Paste and 1/3 C. Rice Wine Vinegar. Add some chopped Cilantro, Ginger, and Garlic. Refrigerate.
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23rd June 2009, 03:08 PM	#15
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,091	Originally Posted by Pardalis from the link: "humanity is on the verge of a near-spontaneous metamorphosis into a more highly evolved state of consciousness." Will this hurt? I have a glass of malt by me in case (medicinal obviously)
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23rd June 2009, 03:18 PM	#16
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,091	Originally Posted by cbish I suspect a post and run. Anyway, for my Chili Sauce I use about a 1/3 C. Chili Paste and 1/3 C. Rice Wine Vinegar. Add some chopped Cilantro, Ginger, and Garlic. Refrigerate. That is only 2/3rds of a sauce
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23rd June 2009, 03:19 PM	#17
cbish Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Nevada City, CA Posts: 1,191	Originally Posted by Nogbad That is only 2/3rds of a sauce It's a dipping sauce. It goes along way. Sorry for not specifying. I use it for Spring Rolls.
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23rd June 2009, 03:21 PM	#18
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,091	Originally Posted by cbish It's a dipping sauce. It goes along way. Sorry for not specifying. I use it for Spring Rolls. My mistake - the c is a measurement. Wrong head on. My bad.
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23rd June 2009, 03:24 PM	#20
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 13,273	Evolution is extinct? That's it, I'm going to stop medication right now, since much of it came from the study of evolutionary processes.
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23rd June 2009, 03:26 PM	#21
Mojo Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 14,504	Originally Posted by Nogbad Wrong head on. What do you apply that directly to?
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23rd June 2009, 03:33 PM	#22
cbish Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Nevada City, CA Posts: 1,191	Originally Posted by Nogbad My mistake - the c is a measurement. Wrong head on. My bad. It's about 100 ml of each.
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23rd June 2009, 03:34 PM	#23
NobbyNobbs Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Mended Drum Posts: 4,975	Originally Posted by bwinwright *The Theory of Evolution is Extinct* Wow. First the dodo, then the passenger pigeon, and now the theory of evolution. When will the horror end? Mankind's rape of Mother Earth must be stopped! (I wonder if randomly applied bold-face typing can be made extinct?)
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23rd June 2009, 03:40 PM	#24
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,091	Originally Posted by Mojo What do you apply that directly to? I'm an accountant - if I see a 1/3 and then another 1/3 my brain looks for the missing 1/3 to make the books balance. I'll go and shoot myself
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23rd June 2009, 03:42 PM	#25
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,091	Originally Posted by NobbyNobbs Wow. First the dodo, then the passenger pigeon, and now the theory of evolution. When will the horror end? Mankind's rape of Mother Earth must be stopped! (I wonder if randomly applied bold-face typing can be made extinct?) Prolly climate change wot done it.
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23rd June 2009, 03:49 PM	#26
paximperium Philosopher Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 7,044	Originally Posted by NobbyNobbs Wow. First the dodo, then the passenger pigeon, and now the theory of evolution. When will the horror end? Mankind's rape of Mother Earth must be stopped! (I wonder if randomly applied bold-face typing can be made extinct?) Not until Creationists and ID-iots are laughed out of existence.
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23rd June 2009, 03:55 PM	#27
slingblade 63% similar to you Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In This Fog, Who Knows? Posts: 13,123	My atheism is not related to my acceptance of evolutionary theory. I accepted that while I was still a fundie, thanks.
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23rd June 2009, 03:58 PM	#28
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Utility Muffin Research Kitchen Posts: 7,427	Originally Posted by bwinwright I have wonderful news! *The Theory of Evolution is Extinct* and since this erroneous theory is the "evidence" most atheists use to justify their atheism, what now? I remember James Dobson making the same baseless assertion back in the late '70s. The theory of evolution by natural selection is stronger than ever. By the way, there were atheists long before Charles Darwin published his work and many, if not most Christians around the world accept the theory as valid. Quote: I was reading The Energetic Engine of Evolution by David Wilcock in the back of his book entitled The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, which contains some excerpts from The Divine Cosmos and Divine Nature. Wilcock is a joke. Quote: One of the excerpts entitled The Theory of Evolution is Extinct refers to the breakthrough research of Tim Harwood who claims to have scientific evidence proving The Theory of Evolution is wrong. Visit Tim Harwood's website for complete information. Harwood is a pseudo-scientific charlatan, much like Wilcock. Quote: Harwood says, "Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless." Then Harwood is an ignorant fool who knows nothing of the biological sciences. Quote: Tim also says, "I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. We will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an idea could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has." I'm sorry, could you repeat that? I couldn't hear you over the noise of the irony. Quote: He also said, "Every single concept advanced by the theory of evolution...is imaginary as it is not supported by the scientifically established facts of microbiology, fossils, and mathematical probability concepts. Darwin was wrong...The theory of evolution may be the worst mistake (ever) made in science." It sounds like this quack has found a lucrative target audience of scientifically ignorant stooges to buy the new age fantasies that he is selling. Quote: Of course, he has much more to say, so visit his website and check out his research findings, his proof that Darwin was wrong. Wow! What might the wise atheist do now? I suspect I'll do pretty much the same thing I do regarding the "revelations" of people like Sylvia Browne and Peter Popov. Quote: Now, just supposing I was calling myself an atheist and this guy Harwood is correct, that some form of intelligence or consciousness really has been involved in all of it? I would stop calling myself an atheist. And if he actually proves that unicorns and leprechauns exist then I will accept that they exist. Of course, he hasn't proved anything. Quote: Instead, I would label myself a Classical Pantheist who just happens to be anti-organized religion with all their theistic dogmatism. I just don't like all those inquisitions, crusades, witch trials, and pedophile priests. Call yourself whatever you want. Quote: Pantheism? I can hear some of you screaming now, "Where's your evidence?" If you want to label natural mechanisms "God", that's fine. I won't ask you for evidence of natural mechanisms. If you want to call your cat "God", I won't ask that you prove the existence of cats. Quote: Look, sometimes all we have is enough evidence to formulate an opinion. Do I believe I can be the first human to prove, scientifically, the existence of an omnipresent and omniscient form of consciousness? No. We are in agreement. Quote: However, based on the Hindu concept of Brahman, the Buddhist concept of Dharmakaya, even Einstein's Unified Field which he couldn't prove after 30 years of trying, I feel that labeling myself a Classical Pantheist is the most intelligent option available to me at this point in my EVOLUTION. I'm sorry, but what does unified field physics have to do with any of the rest? That's just the sort of thing that frauds like Harwood do: They use really technical sounding jargon to make themselves look smart to those who aren't educated enough to know that their jargon is meaningless. Quote: Anyway, I though I'd give some of you Darwin loving atheists a head's up on this one. Maybe someone will tell Richard Dawkins too. After all, he's made a fortune taking advantage of so many gullible and trusting souls. Now the irony is deafening.
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23rd June 2009, 04:00 PM	#29
HansMustermann Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,383	Well, that's got to be a gem in its own way. Lemme see, - a complete lack of logic (no, bare postulates about cycles and rays that move in figure eights do not a proof make), - _admitting_ that he has no evidence, but, hey, all opinions must be equal and his is equal even without evidence apparently - name-dropping some things he doesn't understand. (No, Einstein's unified field ideas had _nothing_ to do with religion. A unified field is no a cosmic consciousness. Sorry.) - bonus points for even being aware that neither of those is his proof, but apparently he thinks that if enough different people believe in X, that's somehow in itself proof of indication of X anyway (Hint: just because several different mythologies have undead, it doesn't make it real.) - complete lack of understanding of what atheism even is and why darwinism is about as relevant to it as fish are to bycicles (Sorry dude, if you were an atheist just because of Darwin, then you didn't understand either, and we're actually better off without you.) ... all in a single message. ... and topped with some snotty talking down, too. Yep, it's a keeper. This is no ordinary stupidity. This is so much brain lacking, that you have to wonder how can he breathe on his own.

23rd June 2009, 04:48 PM	#30
Sun Countess Appearance of intelligence Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,397	Originally Posted by slingblade My atheism is not related to my acceptance of evolutionary theory. I accepted that while I was still a fundie, thanks. Well, slap me upside the head and call me Bizarro-Slingblade. I've been an atheist my whole life, but didn't accept the theory of evolution until university.

23rd June 2009, 04:49 PM	#31
Tricky Radical centrist Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 25,980	Originally Posted by bwinwright I have wonderful news! *The Theory of Evolution is Extinct* and since this erroneous theory is the "evidence" most atheists use to justify their atheism, what now? Oh dear. Who's going to break the news to Steve?

23rd June 2009, 04:54 PM	#32
plumjam Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 6,135	Originally Posted by bwinwright Tim also says, "I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. We will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an idea could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has." I agree. Particularly when it comes to the part of evolution which postulates that the gamut of variegated and extraordinarily complex forms of life came about via natural selection of unguided mutations. In decades to come I'm sure that part will be viewed in the way we now view other bits of materialist madness which, likewise, were not only taken seriously, but for some time dominated their respective fields of inquiry. e.g. Freudianism - in which male children wanted to kill their fathers and **** their mothers Behaviourism - in which psychologists seriously tried to study psychology.. minus the psyche Marxism - in which The State was introduced as a God-substitute, and over 110 million citizens were murdered Anthropogenic Global Warming - Communism, and other materialist social ideologies, failed, so now we have little choice but to derive our meaning in life via pretending to each other that the planet is in imminent danger, that it's our fault, and that there's something we can and must do about it. Such as put our waste paper in a special bin, and get charged for the privilege. (This latter one has the most currency at the moment. It's another joke, and when you're old you'll see it as such.)
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23rd June 2009, 04:57 PM	#33
joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Inside the Magical Murder Bag Posts: 11,154	Originally Posted by plumjam I agree. Particularly when it comes to the part of evolution which postulates that the gamut of variegated and extraordinarily complex forms of life came about via natural selection of unguided mutations. umm... why do you hate reality?
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23rd June 2009, 04:58 PM	#34
Pardalis Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 18,547	Those evolution/911/global warming deniers are hilarious. They bring life to the forum.
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23rd June 2009, 04:59 PM	#35
paximperium Philosopher Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 7,044	Originally Posted by plumjam I agree. Particularly when it comes to the part of evolution which postulates that the gamut of variegated and extraordinarily complex forms of life came about via natural selection of unguided mutations. Oh well, Bwins and PJ's Argument from Ignorance sure trumps overwhelming evidence and the entire world of biology. Quote: In decades to come I'm sure that part will be viewed in the way we now view other bits of materialist madness which, likewise, were not only taken seriously, but for some time dominated their respective fields of inquiry. Haven't the Creationists and ID-iots been claiming that since Darwin first published Origin of Species? Delusion and wishful thinking is so quaint.
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23rd June 2009, 04:59 PM	#36
Jeff Corey New York Skeptic Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,404	Originally Posted by plumjam ...Behaviourism - in which psychologists seriously tried to study psychology.. minus the psyche... True, and it still does. All psychologists still study behavior. No psyche to it.

23rd June 2009, 05:01 PM	#37
D'rok Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,882	Originally Posted by plumjam I agree. Particularly when it comes to the part of evolution which postulates that the gamut of variegated and extraordinarily complex forms of life came about via natural selection of unguided mutations. Argument from personal incredulity. Not very persuasive.
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23rd June 2009, 05:02 PM	#38
plumjam Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 6,135	Originally Posted by Jeff Corey True, and it still does. All psychologists still study behavior. No psyche to it. Says Pavlov's dog.