countries that have capital punishment

varwoche · 1st March 2004, 11:07 PM

Modern countries with death penalty:
Japan
United States

All countries with death penalty:
Afghanistan
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Belarus
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
China
Comoros
Cuba
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Ethiopa
Guatemala
Guinea Republic
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Lybia
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
North Korea
Oman
Pakistan
Palestine
Phillipines
Qatar
Russia
Rwanda
Saint Kitts & Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vicent & the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad & Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Uzbekistan
(Turkey recently dropped off list)

Adding link:
Commission on human rights report

varwoche

Abdul Alhazred · 1st March 2004, 11:32 PM

In listing the United States, you really should list the individual states separately. Some have it, others do not.

Federal death penalties only apply where the individual states have no juristiction (like in the Army or for treason).

shuize · 2nd March 2004, 12:37 AM

Nice to know the accused child killer now on trial in Belgium won't be getting the death penalty if convicted. Too civilized, I guess.

On the other hand, Japan recently sentenced the cult leader who ordered the use of nerve gas in several crowded subway stations to death. Nerve gas in rush hour stations. Now if that doesn't warrant the death penalty, nothing does.

I guess my feeling on the death penalty is pretty basic: Some people just deserve it.

varwoche · 2nd March 2004, 01:00 AM

Pardon the truncation...

Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

iain · 2nd March 2004, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shuize
Nice to know the accused child killer now on trial in Belgium won't be getting the death penalty if convicted. Too civilized, I guess.

Yep, that's pretty much it

I actually don't have a huge problem with the death penalty for people who are definitely guilty of horrific crimes, with no chance that they've been wrongfully convicted. The trouble is, who makes the decision that someone is definitely guilty?

We've had enough miscarriages of justice in the UK in the last 30 years to know that looking guilty and being guilty aren't the same thing and a posthumous aquittal isn't much consolation to anyone.

The Don · 2nd March 2004, 02:22 AM

I believe that the list of countries which allow the death penalty for those under the age of 18 at the time they commited the offence is considerably shorter.

from Amnesty International

Quote:

Since January 1990 Amnesty International has documented 35 executions of child offenders in eight countries– the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the USA, China and Yemen. The USA carried out 19 executions – more than all other countries combined.

U-S-A.....U-S-A.....U-S-A......Number 1

richardm · 2nd March 2004, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Don
I believe that the list of countries which allow the death penalty for those under the age of 18 at the time they commited the offence is considerably shorter.

from Amnesty International

U-S-A.....U-S-A.....U-S-A......Number 1

Yeah, but don't forget that they only execute them once they've been remanded long enough to be age 18 or over. So that's okay.

Upchurch · 2nd March 2004, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Don
I believe that the list of countries which allow the death penalty for those under the age of 18 at the time they commited the offence is considerably shorter.

Hey, don't forget those countries who will execute the mentally retarted. We'll execute anyone! Now, that's equality!

Zero · 2nd March 2004, 06:27 AM

IMO there is nothing wrong with the principle of the death penalty...it is how it is applied that is the problem.

Tmy · 2nd March 2004, 06:40 AM

Quit beating around the bush. The implication is that the US is backwards just like that list of screwball countries.

Well how about a list of countries were abortion is legal. Suddenly the US isnt so backwards when killing unborn babies.

Segnosaur · 2nd March 2004, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by varwoche
Modern countries with death penalty:
Japan
United States

All countries with death penalty:
Afghanistan... China... India... Russia... Singapore

I'm just wondering, I can understand why you have countries like Afghanistan, China, Iran, etc. on the list of 'All countries', but why are India, Russia and Singapore not also on the list of 'Modern' countries? Although they aren't 'perfect', they are democracies, and have various freedoms not available in most of the other countries on the list.

varwoche · 2nd March 2004, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Segnosaur

I'm just wondering, I can understand why you have countries like Afghanistan, China, Iran, etc. on the list of 'All countries', but why are India, Russia and Singapore not also on the list of 'Modern' countries? Although they aren't 'perfect', they are democracies, and have various freedoms not available in most of the other countries on the list.

My thinking is that modern equates to democratic, first-world economy.

varwoche

aerocontrols · 2nd March 2004, 07:59 AM

Let's not forget that Japan executes its prisoners in secret. According to Amnesty, there are around 50 prisoners in Japan's jails who have been sentenced to death and have had their sentences upheld by Japan's Supreme Court.

They could be executed at any time, and no one will know about it until after it happens.

Also, Amnesty says they execute the mentally ill as well.

MattJ

Zero · 2nd March 2004, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tmy
Quit beating around the bush. The implication is that the US is backwards just like that list of screwball countries.

Well how about a list of countries were abortion is legal. Suddenly the US isnt so backwards when killing unborn babies.

LOL, nice try.

varwoche · 2nd March 2004, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tmy
Quit beating around the bush. The implication is that the US is backwards just like that list of screwball countries.

Well how about a list of countries were abortion is legal. Suddenly the US isnt so backwards when killing unborn babies.

It's a data point; do with it what you will.

I'd be interested to see the list of countries where abortion is legal.

varwoche

aerocontrols · 2nd March 2004, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by varwoche

My thinking is that modern equates to democratic, first-world economy.

varwoche

Singapore should definitely be on the list, then.

varwoche · 2nd March 2004, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Upchurch
Hey, don't forget those countries who will execute the mentally retarted. We'll execute anyone! Now, that's equality!

Ah yes, Texas, the smell of sizzling retard...

Luke T. · 2nd March 2004, 08:14 AM

Countries that have Coca-Cola:

Algeria
Angola
Argentina
Botswana
Chad
Chile
China
Congo
Columbia
Egypt
Ethiopia
Ghana

and so on.

Luke T. · 2nd March 2004, 08:20 AM

Well, its nice to know Bosnia and Serbia aren't on that list of countries that have capital punishment. Must be wonderful places. Nobody gets tortured or killed by the governments there.

Tony · 2nd March 2004, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by varwoche

Ah yes, Texas, the smell of sizzling retard...

What?

Zero · 2nd March 2004, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tony

What?

Is that you? Dude, crack a window!!

Segnosaur · 2nd March 2004, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by varwoche

My thinking is that modern equates to democratic, first-world economy.

Russia, India and Singapore are definitely democratic.

How do you decide what 'constitutes a 'first world' economy? Singapore has a very strong economy. Russia's is improving greatly, and India has a strong middle class.

varwoche · 2nd March 2004, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luke T.
Countries that have Coca-Cola:

BULLSH*T! They don't have coke in Ghana!!!

Luke T. · 2nd March 2004, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by varwoche

BULLSH*T! They don't have coke in Ghana!!!

http://www.ghana.coca-cola.com/

I'd like to buy the world a Coke....

Chaos · 2nd March 2004, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Segnosaur

Russia, India and Singapore are definitely democratic.

How do you decide what 'constitutes a 'first world' economy? Singapore has a very strong economy. Russia's is improving greatly, and India has a strong middle class.

Russia is most definitely not a democracy.

Have you followed what´s going on in there for the last few years? President Putin is not informally called "Tsar Vladimir" for nothing.

And don´t get me started on Chechnya...

epepke · 2nd March 2004, 11:07 PM

I know!

Let's make a list of modern countries with large minority populations because their grandparents survived the 1940s.

Zep · 2nd March 2004, 11:13 PM

How about a list of countries starting with the letter..."U"!

epepke · 2nd March 2004, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zep
How about a list of countries starting with the letter..."U"!

Hey, that's a not a my ganda. That's a Uganda.

But I'm glad you responded in a lighthearted matter to my post, which was to point out that making lists of countries with this or that is a bit of a parlor game. Every country sucks in some way or another. Because if one didn't, a lot of people would move there. Unless they had lousy immigration policies, which would make them suck.

1st March 2004, 11:07 PM	#1
varwoche Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 7,230	countries that have capital punishment Modern countries with death penalty: Japan United States All countries with death penalty: Afghanistan Bahamas Bahrain Bangladesh Belarus Botswana Burundi Cameroon Chad China Comoros Cuba Democratic Republic of the Congo Egypt Equatorial Guinea Ethiopa Guatemala Guinea Republic Guyana India Indonesia Iran Iraq Japan Jordan Kazakhstan Kuwait Kyrgyzstan Lebanon Lesotho Liberia Lybia Malaysia Mongolia Nigeria North Korea Oman Pakistan Palestine Phillipines Qatar Russia Rwanda Saint Kitts & Nevis Saint Lucia Saint Vicent & the Grenadines Saudi Arabia Sierra Leone Singapore Somalia Sudan Syria Taiwan Tajikistan Tanzania Thailand Trinidad & Tobago Uganda United Arab Emirates United States Uzbekistan (Turkey recently dropped off list) Adding link: Commission on human rights report varwoche

1st March 2004, 11:32 PM	#2
Abdul Alhazred Yes, that one. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,476	Re: countries that have capital punishment In listing the United States, you really should list the individual states separately. Some have it, others do not. Federal death penalties only apply where the individual states have no juristiction (like in the Army or for treason).
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2nd March 2004, 01:29 AM	#5
iain Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,293	Quote: Originally posted by shuize Nice to know the accused child killer now on trial in Belgium won't be getting the death penalty if convicted. Too civilized, I guess. Yep, that's pretty much it I actually don't have a huge problem with the death penalty for people who are definitely guilty of horrific crimes, with no chance that they've been wrongfully convicted. The trouble is, who makes the decision that someone is definitely guilty? We've had enough miscarriages of justice in the UK in the last 30 years to know that looking guilty and being guilty aren't the same thing and a posthumous aquittal isn't much consolation to anyone.
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2nd March 2004, 05:36 AM	#7
richardm Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,270	Quote: Originally posted by The Don I believe that the list of countries which allow the death penalty for those under the age of 18 at the time they commited the offence is considerably shorter. from Amnesty International U-S-A.....U-S-A.....U-S-A......Number 1 Yeah, but don't forget that they only execute them once they've been remanded long enough to be age 18 or over. So that's okay.
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2nd March 2004, 06:27 AM	#9
Zero Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,535	IMO there is nothing wrong with the principle of the death penalty...it is how it is applied that is the problem.
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2nd March 2004, 12:37 AM	#3
shuize Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 2,308	Nice to know the accused child killer now on trial in Belgium won't be getting the death penalty if convicted. Too civilized, I guess. On the other hand, Japan recently sentenced the cult leader who ordered the use of nerve gas in several crowded subway stations to death. Nerve gas in rush hour stations. Now if that doesn't warrant the death penalty, nothing does. I guess my feeling on the death penalty is pretty basic: Some people just deserve it.

2nd March 2004, 01:00 AM	#4
varwoche Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 7,230	Pardon the truncation... Vietnam Yemen Zambia Zimbabwe

2nd March 2004, 02:22 AM	#6
The Don Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cymru Posts: 8,235	I believe that the list of countries which allow the death penalty for those under the age of 18 at the time they commited the offence is considerably shorter. from Amnesty International Quote: Since January 1990 Amnesty International has documented 35 executions of child offenders in eight countries– the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the USA, China and Yemen. The USA carried out 19 executions – more than all other countries combined. U-S-A.....U-S-A.....U-S-A......Number 1

2nd March 2004, 06:10 AM	#8
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,424	Quote: Originally posted by The Don I believe that the list of countries which allow the death penalty for those under the age of 18 at the time they commited the offence is considerably shorter. Hey, don't forget those countries who will execute the mentally retarted. We'll execute anyone! Now, that's equality!

2nd March 2004, 06:40 AM	#10
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Quit beating around the bush. The implication is that the US is backwards just like that list of screwball countries. Well how about a list of countries were abortion is legal. Suddenly the US isnt so backwards when killing unborn babies.
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2nd March 2004, 07:50 AM	#11
Segnosaur Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 6,066	Re: countries that have capital punishment Quote: Originally posted by varwoche Modern countries with death penalty: Japan United States All countries with death penalty: Afghanistan... China... India... Russia... Singapore I'm just wondering, I can understand why you have countries like Afghanistan, China, Iran, etc. on the list of 'All countries', but why are India, Russia and Singapore not also on the list of 'Modern' countries? Although they aren't 'perfect', they are democracies, and have various freedoms not available in most of the other countries on the list.
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2nd March 2004, 07:54 AM	#12
varwoche Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 7,230	Re: Re: countries that have capital punishment Quote: Originally posted by Segnosaur I'm just wondering, I can understand why you have countries like Afghanistan, China, Iran, etc. on the list of 'All countries', but why are India, Russia and Singapore not also on the list of 'Modern' countries? Although they aren't 'perfect', they are democracies, and have various freedoms not available in most of the other countries on the list. My thinking is that modern equates to democratic, first-world economy. varwoche

2nd March 2004, 07:59 AM	#13
aerocontrols Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,445	Let's not forget that Japan executes its prisoners in secret. According to Amnesty, there are around 50 prisoners in Japan's jails who have been sentenced to death and have had their sentences upheld by Japan's Supreme Court. They could be executed at any time, and no one will know about it until after it happens. Also, Amnesty says they execute the mentally ill as well. MattJ
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2nd March 2004, 08:01 AM	#14
Zero Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,535	Quote: Originally posted by Tmy Quit beating around the bush. The implication is that the US is backwards just like that list of screwball countries. Well how about a list of countries were abortion is legal. Suddenly the US isnt so backwards when killing unborn babies. LOL, nice try.
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2nd March 2004, 08:03 AM	#15
varwoche Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 7,230	Quote: Originally posted by Tmy Quit beating around the bush. The implication is that the US is backwards just like that list of screwball countries. Well how about a list of countries were abortion is legal. Suddenly the US isnt so backwards when killing unborn babies. It's a data point; do with it what you will. I'd be interested to see the list of countries where abortion is legal. varwoche

2nd March 2004, 08:07 AM	#16
aerocontrols Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,445	Quote: Originally posted by varwoche My thinking is that modern equates to democratic, first-world economy. varwoche Singapore should definitely be on the list, then.
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2nd March 2004, 08:08 AM	#17
varwoche Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 7,230	Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch *Hey, don't forget those countries who will execute the mentally retarted. We'll execute anyone! Now, that's* equality!** Ah yes, Texas, the smell of sizzling retard...

2nd March 2004, 08:14 AM	#18
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2nd March 2004, 08:20 AM	#19
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Well, its nice to know Bosnia and Serbia aren't on that list of countries that have capital punishment. Must be wonderful places. Nobody gets tortured or killed by the governments there.
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Segnosaur Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 6,066	Re: Re: Re: countries that have capital punishment Quote: Originally posted by varwoche My thinking is that modern equates to democratic, first-world economy. Russia, India and Singapore are definitely democratic. How do you decide what 'constitutes a 'first world' economy? Singapore has a very strong economy. Russia's is improving greatly, and India has a strong middle class.
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2nd March 2004, 08:45 AM	#23
varwoche Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 7,230	Quote: Originally posted by Luke T. Countries that have Coca-Cola: BULLSH*T! They don't have coke in Ghana!!!

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2nd March 2004, 10:16 AM	#25
Chaos TAM Chocolate Dispenser Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heart of Old Europe Posts: 9,778	Re: Re: Re: Re: countries that have capital punishment Quote: Originally posted by Segnosaur Russia, India and Singapore are definitely democratic. How do you decide what 'constitutes a 'first world' economy? Singapore has a very strong economy. Russia's is improving greatly, and India has a strong middle class. Russia is most definitely not a democracy. Have you followed what´s going on in there for the last few years? President Putin is not informally called "Tsar Vladimir" for nothing. And don´t get me started on Chechnya...
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2nd March 2004, 11:07 PM	#26
epepke Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,950	I know! Let's make a list of modern countries with large minority populations because their grandparents survived the 1940s.
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2nd March 2004, 11:13 PM	#27
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	How about a list of countries starting with the letter..."U"!
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2nd March 2004, 11:20 PM	#28
epepke Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,950	Quote: Originally posted by Zep How about a list of countries starting with the letter..."U"! Hey, that's a not a my ganda. That's a Uganda. But I'm glad you responded in a lighthearted matter to my post, which was to point out that making lists of countries with this or that is a bit of a parlor game. Every country sucks in some way or another. Because if one didn't, a lot of people would move there. Unless they had lousy immigration policies, which would make them suck.
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