Okay, who will debate Len Hart?

NWO Sentryman · 21st September 2009, 10:23 AM

I am about to lay down a challenge for Len Hart of The Existentialist Cowboy to come on the JREF Forums to debate anyone on 9/11.

Any takers?

alienentity · 21st September 2009, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman

I am about to lay down a challenge for Len Hart of The Existentialist Cowboy to come on the JREF Forums to debate anyone on 9/11.

Any takers?

Why not just invite him to join a particular thread or start his own, his choice of topic? If he believes in his ideas, why not discuss the merits respectfully?

Note to us/self: does it really do any good to pile on the ad homs and derisive comments? Tempting as it is, it seems to me we can be more effective by engaging in thoughtful, adult discussion, and declining to engage those who won't.

Just a thought. I'm just as guilty as anybody of being rude.

NWO Sentryman · 21st September 2009, 11:15 AM

well, seems that he is unwilling to listen, as my comment and challenge have not appeared on the blog.

DGM · 21st September 2009, 04:04 PM

Why all these "who wants to debate" threads? What do these people bring to the table that hasn't been ripped apart and laughed at before?

Really folks, Why would anyone want to cater to (or waste the time doing so) these attention whores?

T.A.M. · 21st September 2009, 05:26 PM

The time for debate is over. Now is the time on sprockets when we DANCE!!!

TAM

ElMondoHummus · 21st September 2009, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

The time for debate is over. Now is the time on sprockets when we DANCE!!!

TAM

If you're dressed appropriately for a SPROCKETS dance, I shall have to have words with your wife.

And if she's dressed appropriately for that, well... I guess I'll just have to call the asylum then. Hope you got a good shrink!

T.A.M. · 21st September 2009, 05:32 PM

http://foreveranoob.files.wordpress..../sprockets.jpg

TAM

beachnut · 21st September 2009, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman

I am about to lay down a challenge for Len Hart of The Existentialist Cowboy to come on the JREF Forums to debate anyone on 9/11.

Any takers?

Len Hart is selling delusions. Are they for free? Would take a very uniformed person who refuses to think for themselves to fall for the moronic statements Len makes up.

He has moronic ideas on 911. How do you debate a delusional person on 911 issues?

Quote:

Officialists also claim that DNA testing confirmed both passenger and 'hijacker' IDs. There are at least two things wrong with that assertion: 1) there are NO Arab names on the official autopsy report released to Dr. Olmsted in response to his FOIA; 2) if the fuselage vaporized as is claimed, then no DNA IDs would have been possible. DNA is often said to decompose when heated but, in fact, the effect is even worse: it literally melts. As heat is applied, bonds that join the two nucleotide strands may break.

He spews moronic ideas saying the planes were vaporized. He takes news story hearsay and makes his delusion up and then applies logic to his own failed delusion to form more idiotic opinions. He debunks himself! No debate is required this guy is still blaming Bush for what he can't comprehend.

Quote:

The biggest hole in the official theories is the fact that there is absolutely no forensic evidence supporting the Bush conspiracy theory. Certainly --no airliner wreckage was recovered in New York and the surviving steel was ordered destroyed by Bush but not before traces of thermate were recovered and subsequently tested, analyzed and confirmed. The presence of thermate is very nearly the smoking gun. Without thermate, the steel girders of WTC would never have weakened, collapsed or melted as they were, in fact, photographed.

What a bunch of idiotic statements by the paranoid conspiracy cowboy. "Very nearly the smoking gun" stated by Len, Really?

Self-debunking. Len Hart

Quote:

The biggest hole in the official theories is the fact that there is absolutely no forensic evidence ... Certainly --no airliner wreckage was recovered in New York ... http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/

No kidding? So 767 engines always pop out of the WTC before 911. Comprehension problems or a poor liar?

Pinch · 21st September 2009, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman

I am about to lay down a challenge for Len Hart of The Existentialist Cowboy to come on the JREF Forums to debate anyone on 9/11.

Any takers?

What's to debate? Another idiotic moron who doesn't know anything about what he is spewing? I read that entry on his blog. I stopped after the first 2 paragraphs - same old BS. There is absolutely no accountability on the internet when it comes to these sorts of things so these lunatics can say whatever they want and as long as those little voices in their heads agree, they're golden.

Alareth · 21st September 2009, 08:28 PM

I have a coffee table that should be able to generate more cogent arguments than most of the members of the truth movement.

How would Len feel about debating finely crafted furniture?

Perhaps a nice ottoman?

Brainster · 21st September 2009, 09:59 PM

Whew! I am relieved to see that was a false alarm. I don't think anybody here could hold their own with Len Hart.

triforcharity · 21st September 2009, 10:31 PM

Alareth,

I have a very nice Oak desk I made a few years back. Maybe I should uncover it fromm the piles of crap and have IT debate Len. My table seems a little loney these days.

Sam.I.Am · 22nd September 2009, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

Alareth,

I have a very nice Oak desk I made a few years back. Maybe I should uncover it fromm the piles of crap and have IT debate Len. My table seems a little loney these days.

You misspelled "Loony". Not that that would preclude it from a debate... Although it would keep it on an even footing with Len Hart.

dudalb · 22nd September 2009, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Pinch

What's to debate? Another idiotic moron who doesn't know anything about what he is spewing? I read that entry on his blog. I stopped after the first 2 paragraphs - same old BS. There is absolutely no accountability on the internet when it comes to these sorts of things so these lunatics can say whatever they want and as long as those little voices in their heads agree, they're golden.

What makes Hart annoyning are his pretentions of being some kind of great intellectual and philospher.

NWO Sentryman · 24th September 2009, 12:29 AM

Well, he does cite a lot of people (Volatire, John Stockwell, Steve Kangas, William Blum, Tom Gervasi, possibly ward churchill etc.)

orphia nay · 24th September 2009, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman

well, seems that he is unwilling to listen, as my comment and challenge have not appeared on the blog.

Len Hart is an execrable no-planer who censors anything that doesn't conform to his delusions.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...5&postcount=15

21st September 2009, 10:23 AM	#1
NWO Sentryman Proud NWO Gatekeeper Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Quantum Gate to the NWO Posts: 1,061	Okay, who will debate Len Hart? I am about to lay down a challenge for Len Hart of The Existentialist Cowboy to come on the JREF Forums to debate anyone on 9/11. Any takers?

21st September 2009, 10:36 AM	#2
alienentity Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,292	Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman I am about to lay down a challenge for Len Hart of The Existentialist Cowboy to come on the JREF Forums to debate anyone on 9/11. Any takers? Why not just invite him to join a particular thread or start his own, his choice of topic? If he believes in his ideas, why not discuss the merits respectfully? Note to us/self: does it really do any good to pile on the ad homs and derisive comments? Tempting as it is, it seems to me we can be more effective by engaging in thoughtful, adult discussion, and declining to engage those who won't. Just a thought. I'm just as guilty as anybody of being rude.
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21st September 2009, 04:04 PM	#4
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21st September 2009, 11:15 AM	#3
NWO Sentryman Proud NWO Gatekeeper Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Quantum Gate to the NWO Posts: 1,061	well, seems that he is unwilling to listen, as my comment and challenge have not appeared on the blog.

21st September 2009, 05:32 PM	#7
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21st September 2009, 06:03 PM	#8
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hot tub Posts: 12,618	Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman I am about to lay down a challenge for Len Hart of The Existentialist Cowboy to come on the JREF Forums to debate anyone on 9/11. Any takers? Len Hart is selling delusions. Are they for free? Would take a very uniformed person who refuses to think for themselves to fall for the moronic statements Len makes up. He has moronic ideas on 911. How do you debate a delusional person on 911 issues? Quote: Officialists also claim that DNA testing confirmed both passenger and 'hijacker' IDs. There are at least two things wrong with that assertion: 1) there are NO Arab names on the official autopsy report released to Dr. Olmsted in response to his FOIA; 2) if the fuselage vaporized as is claimed, then no DNA IDs would have been possible. DNA is often said to decompose when heated but, in fact, the effect is even worse: it literally melts. As heat is applied, bonds that join the two nucleotide strands may break. He spews moronic ideas saying the planes were vaporized. He takes news story hearsay and makes his delusion up and then applies logic to his own failed delusion to form more idiotic opinions. He debunks himself! No debate is required this guy is still blaming Bush for what he can't comprehend. Quote: The biggest hole in the official theories is the fact that there is absolutely no forensic evidence supporting the Bush conspiracy theory. Certainly --no airliner wreckage was recovered in New York and the surviving steel was ordered destroyed by Bush but not before traces of thermate were recovered and subsequently tested, analyzed and confirmed. The presence of thermate is very nearly the smoking gun. Without thermate, the steel girders of WTC would never have weakened, collapsed or melted as they were, in fact, photographed. What a bunch of idiotic statements by the paranoid conspiracy cowboy. "Very nearly the smoking gun" stated by Len, Really? Self-debunking. Len Hart Quote: Quote: The biggest hole in the official theories is the fact that there is absolutely no forensic evidence ... Certainly --no airliner wreckage was recovered in New York ... http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/ No kidding? So 767 engines always pop out of the WTC before 911. Comprehension problems or a poor liar?
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21st September 2009, 08:18 PM	#9
Pinch Thinker Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 172	Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman I am about to lay down a challenge for Len Hart of The Existentialist Cowboy to come on the JREF Forums to debate anyone on 9/11. Any takers? What's to debate? Another idiotic moron who doesn't know anything about what he is spewing? I read that entry on his blog. I stopped after the first 2 paragraphs - same old BS. There is absolutely no accountability on the internet when it comes to these sorts of things so these lunatics can say whatever they want and as long as those little voices in their heads agree, they're golden.
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21st September 2009, 08:28 PM	#10
Alareth Sarcasm Distribution System Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mississippi Posts: 4,046	I have a coffee table that should be able to generate more cogent arguments than most of the members of the truth movement. How would Len feel about debating finely crafted furniture? Perhaps a nice ottoman?
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21st September 2009, 09:59 PM	#11
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triforcharity Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 2,262	Alareth, I have a very nice Oak desk I made a few years back. Maybe I should uncover it fromm the piles of crap and have IT debate Len. My table seems a little loney these days.
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22nd September 2009, 12:33 AM	#13
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22nd September 2009, 07:15 PM	#14
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,444	Originally Posted by Pinch What's to debate? Another idiotic moron who doesn't know anything about what he is spewing? I read that entry on his blog. I stopped after the first 2 paragraphs - same old BS. There is absolutely no accountability on the internet when it comes to these sorts of things so these lunatics can say whatever they want and as long as those little voices in their heads agree, they're golden. What makes Hart annoyning are his pretentions of being some kind of great intellectual and philospher.

24th September 2009, 12:29 AM	#15
NWO Sentryman Proud NWO Gatekeeper Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Quantum Gate to the NWO Posts: 1,061	Well, he does cite a lot of people (Volatire, John Stockwell, Steve Kangas, William Blum, Tom Gervasi, possibly ward churchill etc.)

24th September 2009, 01:00 AM	#16
orphia nay Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2005 Location: In Command of the Revolution's Gorilla Group II of Monkeys, Camels and Penguins (all named 'Spod'). Posts: 14,047	Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman well, seems that he is unwilling to listen, as my comment and challenge have not appeared on the blog. Len Hart is an execrable no-planer who censors anything that doesn't conform to his delusions. http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...5&postcount=15
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