[Merged] Too Much NoC Evidence? - Page 6

9/11 Chewy Defense · 20th October 2009, 03:59 PM

Bill's projected flight path for Flight 77. Notice that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for Flight 77 to make a very sharp right turn to get to the airport.

beachnut · 20th October 2009, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I doubt that it could have landed there given the position of the Citgo as I now know it. Itdoesn't really make a difference though. The lane could have flown anywhere.

No bill smith, the plane would be on RADAR, it it would be found. Sorry to spoil your delusions with reality but you continue to spew BS that is nonsense and have yet to stumble on some evidence to save your failed ideas.

Now if you are talking about a lane and not Flight 77, then your fantasy world with flying lanes will come in handy when you get a ticket you can claim insanity.

apathoid · 20th October 2009, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Nah...if it flew on the Northern path (as all 10 eyewitnesses say) it was close to a straight run onto the runway a mile away. The pilot eyewitness in the video says the plane was only doing about 350 knots. No sweat.

No sweat, other than the fact that you are wrong. And even if you were right about already being lined up, it's still impossible.

bill smith · 20th October 2009, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

No bill smith, the plane would be on RADAR, it it would be found. Sorry to spoil your delusions with reality but you continue to spew BS that is nonsense and have yet to stumble on some evidence to save your failed ideas.

Now if you are talking about a lane and not Flight 77, then your fantasy world with flying lanes will come in handy when you get a ticket you can claim insanity.

That's what you would expect Beachnut. Here is another pilot who fond the lack of RADAR on 9/11 strange.

"As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp.. Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division ... Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.... the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot.

9/11 Chewy Defense · 20th October 2009, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

That's what you would expect Beachnut. Here is another pilot who fond the lack of RADAR on 9/11 strange.

"As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp.. Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division ... Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.... the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot.

Bill, even in WWII we had radar capable of detecting aircraft over the English Channel.

Problem was it's just a blip on the radar screen. And the terrorist turned off the transponders, but they were still detected on the radar as a blip.

apathoid · 20th October 2009, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army

Why does that name sound familiar?

ETA: Oh, now I remember, another truther with a credibility problem

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"As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there."

Yeah because the wings and tail are made of same materials as the engines..

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"Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!"

Except Payne Stewart?

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– Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp.. Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division ... Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.... the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot.

Argument from authority, rejected.

beachnut · 20th October 2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

That's what you would expect Beachnut. Here is another pilot who fond the lack of RADAR on 9/11 strange.

"As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp.. Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division ... Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.... the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot.

You defend your ignorance by presenting a nut case conspiracy dolt who has no evidence. Good job proving you don't know anything about 9/11.

Sorry to mess up your dream world but I flew supersonic jet trainers before being trained in heavy jet, and not a single person, no NORAD jets intercepted me when I turned off my transponder. Your live in a delusional world where you google idiotic statements for moron conspiracy theorists and expect their failed delusions to support your insane ideas on 911.

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Nike Missile Battery Control Officer

Please look up when this dolt was working for the NWO you blame for 9/11 with nothing more than a failed imagination based on fantasy. His Nike system was deactivated in 1974-1979 along with his rational mind. What a failed liar.

Too lazy to look up the engines from 9/11, Davis is right the engines survived the 2000 pound TNT equal kinetic energy impacts and fires. So you have an idiot too lazy to see the engines were found.

Oops, found another engine; you and Davis are both liar on your conclusions of moronic delusions.

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Where are all of those engines,

Does the dolt have eyes?

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Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed.

He was right.

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Where are all of those engines,

How do you find these pathetic traitors who apologize for terrorist by being stupid.

You and Davis two liars on 9/11. What else can you do so well? You disrespect the dead of 9/11 with ease, can you be more obnoxious?

For Davis "former" is the key phrase for his knowledge on 9/11. As for the RADAR, when you fly the FAA is like the CHP, they radio ahead and nail you when you land! No need to chase you in the real world, they take note of where you land and get you. If you turn off your transponder no one comes to get you, they track your return which you can't turn off, and they know exactly where you go. You found nut case ideas from another failed nut case conspiracy theorist who can't see the engines form 9/11. What is your excuse?

Capt Davis is a private pilot, Lieutenant Colonel Beachnut is an ATP rated pilot, as I Colonel I make the the call at 4:08 pm PST, Capt Davis is a BS expert. I see his problem on the engine stuff the FAA says

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DANIEL LEE DAVIS - MUST HAVE AVAILABLE GLASSES FOR NEAR VISION

; he missed the engines, he was not wearing his glasses. How vain.

9/11 Chewy Defense · 20th October 2009, 05:03 PM

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Beachnut.....

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...wtcengine4.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...debris22sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...b/77engine.jpg

Well what do ya know Bill? ENGINES!

Fourbrick · 22nd October 2009, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Sure, why not.

I could care less how it makes you feel. You are new here, I am not. As a result, I have yet to decide why I think you are here, your motive, and whether or not you are a sock puppet of a previous and banned member. Your posting content and pattern will almost certainly enlighten me on all of them.

TAM

Who gives a ****?

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Brainache · 23rd October 2009, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by beachnut

...
Now if you are talking about a lane and not Flight 77, then your fantasy world with flying lanes will come in handy when you get a ticket you can claim insanity.

I think I now understand Bill's posting style. An insanity defense might stand a chance if his lawyer could point to his history on this site. So what are you planning Bill? Rape? Murder? Arson?

What's that you say? - I have no evidence?

Neither do you.

T.A.M. · 23rd October 2009, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Fourbrick

Who gives a ****?

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Posted By:Professor Yaffle

Most don't care, but I do. I care because I am elated when the stupid idiots that come here repeating the same stupid silly truther canards get themselves banned. As a result, if I smell a sock, I wanna make sure we catch him.

But if you turn out to simply be another fresh truther, that is fine. It has been rather boring here as of late anyway.

TAM

Fourbrick · 24th October 2009, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Most don't care, but I do. I care because I am elated when the stupid idiots that come here repeating the same stupid silly truther canards get themselves banned. As a result, if I smell a sock, I wanna make sure we catch him.

But if you turn out to simply be another fresh truther, that is fine. It has been rather boring here as of late anyway.

TAM

First of all apologies to the Professor for abusing the board, but it does seem as though some people believe they sit on the right hand side of God.

Regarding T.A.M.'s post, my comment wasn't about what anybody's ideas regarding 9-11 were about, it was about his comments about me.That's why I said what I did.

(By the way, what on earth is a "sock", anyway?)

W.D.Clinger · 24th October 2009, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Fourbrick

(By the way, what on earth is a "sock", anyway?)

Sockpuppet_(Internet)^WP

Fourbrick · 24th October 2009, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger

Sockpuppet_(Internet)^WP

Thanks, Clinger.

Caustic Logic · 14th November 2009, 02:17 AM

Exhibit H
Mike Walter. From another thread, our resident NoCbot of the month:

Originally Posted by mudlark

It's not my theory it's what he outright claims mate!

Here he is on the NORTH side of the citgo describing the plane making this bank on the north side of the station!

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/u...walter-NoC.gif

Video link here.

If this CIT graphic, which seems new, is correct, he's on board now too. North of Citgo and turning towards presumably the spot where it HIT THE DANG building would indeed fit CIT's impossible corkscrew path, minus the invisible pull up and flyover. I don't feel like watching the video and stuff, so forgive me if I'm wrong, but my guess is he simply decided it would be more fun to play along with the "wild eyed fast-talker" and "the heavyset one who didn't say much" than just ignore them. That would make exhibit H.

I don't see how this is consistent with his previous accounts, and they don't seem to care where he was a liar. Saw the belly? Slightest turn, graceful... descnded... impacted... lying MSM Gannett USA Today NWO Masonic evildoer ... high profile MSM impact account ... operation blueberry! Now it's again, I presume, "oh da witnesses is comin outta da woodworks even da insidas is abandon shipz!" Who'll be Exhibit I? I'm betting on Aziz ElHallou. Mr. England does seem to enjoy playing but he's beyond help as an ally for them ever. Aside from a full confession for playing along with the light pole deal, a spiritual cleansing of masonic forces, clear flyover account, and requesting asylum in their treefort to avoid gettin kilt. Could it only get that fun?

Mangoose · 17th November 2009, 01:47 PM

Don't fall for the CIT distortion of what he's saying. The interview was filmed outside the CITGO and the cameraman happened to be north of him, but he was making no claims that the plane itself was NOC; he was not indicating the location of the plane vis-a-vis the locational background but with respect to HIMSELF. His gestures indicated how the plane looked to him as it was almost upon him: "it was like the silver underbelly of a jet", his gestures accompany this statement. He's illustrating with his hand and his gaze what it was like to look up at the plane's underbelly in front of him. He could have given the same interview anywhere and made the same motions. He happened to be there because he took the interviewer on the drive he took that morning, and that is where he ended up, driving along the cloverleaf, after the crash on 9/11, as that is about where he gave his several interviews that morning.

Just a moment later, he goes on to say: "I know it was a passenger jet, I know it was a big jet," and then he turns to point in the direction of the SOC path and his location on 9/11, and continues, "...and I know it was screaming towards the Pentagon".

Caustic Logic · 19th November 2009, 05:47 PM

I tentatively withdraw exhibit H pending further study, which... meh, A-G is plenty, and even that's all water under the bridge by now. It was a fun weird ride, guys, thanks!

Brainache · 20th November 2009, 12:56 AM

Someone calling himself MercBezerk is commenting on my Youtube movie "Nuts Downunder" and accusing me of being a coward for not taking my camera to Washington and talking to the same guys that CIT did. He doesn't seem to understand that Sydney Australia is a bit more than a road trip away from the CITGO station.

I wonder if it could be Aldo?

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MercBezerk (8 hours ago)
Why are you so against evidence that proves an inside job Brainfake?

Let's think about this for a minute. The witnesses stand by what they saw. They will not recant. You and your ilk have demanded evidence from the truth movement. Eyewitness testimony is evidence. Why wouldn't you want this investigated further, Brainfake? Why are you so invested in shutting them down on the internet before they even reach the gov't authorities? Why are you so invested in keeping them marginalized? Why is that?

I replied with the usual response about cherry picking and leading witnesses etc and said that soon he'd be telling me that Lloyde England was a CIA agent...

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MercBezerk (8 hours ago)

No one was cherry picked Brainfake, no one was led. Go to the CIT forum, you will see everyone CIT has contacted and there are many. Not one witness has said that CIT misrepresented them or led them. If anything, CIT led them to the south side, and they still refused. Lloyde England is clearly an asset of some sort. He is implicated, Brainfake. You can't change that.

I think the meat in the CIT sandwich has got it in for me...

UNLoVedRebel · 20th November 2009, 01:07 AM

Yes, that is tubby. Ask him if he plans on doing anything about his male pattern baldness.

Caustic Logic · 20th November 2009, 01:08 AM

Aldo has = Merc, MercBezerk, CitizenMerc, MercMercy, MercnCheese, AllyoucanMerc, etc.

Craig has = JackTripper, LyteTrip, TripLyte, LyteBrite, RainBobryte, RoboTripper, GahHuffer, LyteontheToes, TwinkleTrip, etc.

I may have made up some of Craig's, I forget now. But this I didn't:

Originally Posted by MercLyte

Brainache, hah you coward. We had the guts to go talk to the worst most incoherent witnesses ever. Why can't you take the time to fly there like we did and bang your head against Lagasse and Brooks? Afraid? You are a traitor to the USA. Get off our internet and go back to Austria and hump a kangaroo.

UNLoVedRebel · 20th November 2009, 01:14 AM

Brainache · 20th November 2009, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by Caustic Logic

Aldo has = Merc, MercBezerk, CitizenMerc, MercMercy, MercnCheese, AllyoucanMerc, etc.

Craig has = JackTripper, LyteTrip, TripLyte, LyteBrite, RainBobryte, RoboTripper, GahHuffer, LyteontheToes, TwinkleTrip, etc.

I may have made up some of Craig's, I forget now. But this I didn't:

Merc-ury Poisoning?

Lyte Fantastic?

Brainache · 20th November 2009, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel

Stundied.

I think Caustic was doing a CIT parody....It's hard to tell sometimes tho'

UNLoVedRebel · 20th November 2009, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Brainache

I think Caustic was doing a CIT parody....It's hard to tell sometimes tho'

He said he wasn't

Originally Posted by Caustic Logic

I may have made up some of Craig's, I forget now. But this I didn't:

Brainache · 20th November 2009, 01:25 AM

This one is definitely real:

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MercBezerk (9 hours ago)

The problem is you are an arrogant goal post mover. You actually thought you were right this whole time and have invested so much time in your arrogant posturing that you can't admit you are wrong. It's ok. You will never have the balls to confront CIT or the witnesses they spoke with. You will continue to be some anonymous coward making grandiose statements about witnesses you will NOT confront on an issue you weren't even there to see.

Not only has my irony meter exploded, it set fire to the projector as well!

Caustic Logic · 20th November 2009, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel

Stundied.

ETA: Got a link Adam?

Indeedy!

UNLoVedRebel · 20th November 2009, 01:26 AM

God only knows what this said

MercBezerk (6 hours ago)
Comment removed by author

Brainache · 20th November 2009, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel

God only knows what this said

MercBezerk (6 hours ago)
Comment removed by author

Yes I wonder. I saw that about 5 minutes after he posted it. I'm sure it was something flattering about how much better my camera work was than the shakey, constant wild pans and crashing around in "The Pentacon".

20th October 2009, 04:10 PM	#203
apathoid Government Loyalist Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Virgo Supercluster Posts: 2,599	Originally Posted by bill smith Nah...if it flew on the Northern path (as all 10 eyewitnesses say) it was close to a straight run onto the runway a mile away. The pilot eyewitness in the video says the plane was only doing about 350 knots. No sweat. No sweat, other than the fact that you are wrong. And even if you were right about already being lined up, it's still impossible.
	__________________ Nature abhors a moron. -H.L. Mencken

20th October 2009, 04:19 PM	#204
bill smith Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,765	Originally Posted by beachnut No bill smith, the plane would be on RADAR, it it would be found. Sorry to spoil your delusions with reality but you continue to spew BS that is nonsense and have yet to stumble on some evidence to save your failed ideas. Now if you are talking about a lane and not Flight 77, then your fantasy world with flying lanes will come in handy when you get a ticket you can claim insanity. That's what you would expect Beachnut. Here is another pilot who fond the lack of RADAR on 9/11 strange. "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there. Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could! Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp.. Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division ... Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.... the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot.
bill smith Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,765	__________________ There comes a time when your silence becomes betrayal

20th October 2009, 04:29 PM	#205
9/11 Chewy Defense Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Planet Kashyyyk, currently on Planet Endor with the Ewoks fighting the Galactic Truther Empire Posts: 1,732	Originally Posted by bill smith That's what you would expect Beachnut. Here is another pilot who fond the lack of RADAR on 9/11 strange. "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there. Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could! Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp.. Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division ... Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.... the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot. Bill, even in WWII we had radar capable of detecting aircraft over the English Channel. Problem was it's just a blip on the radar screen. And the terrorist turned off the transponders, but they were still detected on the radar as a blip.
	__________________ "The only reason Truthers get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory." http://www.visitjohnstownpa.com/thunderinthevalley/ You a biker? Come to the party in 2010!

20th October 2009, 04:32 PM	#206
apathoid Government Loyalist Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Virgo Supercluster Posts: 2,599	Originally Posted by bill smith Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army Why does that name sound familiar? ETA: Oh, now I remember, another truther with a credibility problem Quote: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there." Yeah because the wings and tail are made of same materials as the engines.. Quote: "Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!" Except Payne Stewart? Quote: – Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp.. Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division ... Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.... the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot. Argument from authority, rejected.
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20th October 2009, 04:42 PM	#207
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hot tub Posts: 12,618	Originally Posted by bill smith That's what you would expect Beachnut. Here is another pilot who fond the lack of RADAR on 9/11 strange. "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there. Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could! Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp.. Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division ... Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.... the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot. You defend your ignorance by presenting a nut case conspiracy dolt who has no evidence. Good job proving you don't know anything about 9/11. Sorry to mess up your dream world but I flew supersonic jet trainers before being trained in heavy jet, and not a single person, no NORAD jets intercepted me when I turned off my transponder. Your live in a delusional world where you google idiotic statements for moron conspiracy theorists and expect their failed delusions to support your insane ideas on 911. Quote: Nike Missile Battery Control Officer Please look up when this dolt was working for the NWO you blame for 9/11 with nothing more than a failed imagination based on fantasy. His Nike system was deactivated in 1974-1979 along with his rational mind. What a failed liar. Too lazy to look up the engines from 9/11, Davis is right the engines survived the 2000 pound TNT equal kinetic energy impacts and fires. So you have an idiot too lazy to see the engines were found. Oops, found another engine; you and Davis are both liar on your conclusions of moronic delusions. Quote: Where are all of those engines, Does the dolt have eyes? Quote: Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. He was right. Quote: Where are all of those engines, How do you find these pathetic traitors who apologize for terrorist by being stupid. You and Davis two liars on 9/11. What else can you do so well? You disrespect the dead of 9/11 with ease, can you be more obnoxious? For Davis "former" is the key phrase for his knowledge on 9/11. As for the RADAR, when you fly the FAA is like the CHP, they radio ahead and nail you when you land! No need to chase you in the real world, they take note of where you land and get you. If you turn off your transponder no one comes to get you, they track your return which you can't turn off, and they know exactly where you go. You found nut case ideas from another failed nut case conspiracy theorist who can't see the engines form 9/11. What is your excuse? Capt Davis is a private pilot, Lieutenant Colonel Beachnut is an ATP rated pilot, as I Colonel I make the the call at 4:08 pm PST, Capt Davis is a BS expert. I see his problem on the engine stuff the FAA says Quote: DANIEL LEE DAVIS - MUST HAVE AVAILABLE GLASSES FOR NEAR VISION ; he missed the engines, he was not wearing his glasses. How vain.
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20th October 2009, 03:59 PM	#202
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hot tub Posts: 12,618	Originally Posted by bill smith I doubt that it could have landed there given the position of the Citgo as I now know it. Itdoesn't really make a difference though. The lane could have flown anywhere. No bill smith, the plane would be on RADAR, it it would be found. Sorry to spoil your delusions with reality but you continue to spew BS that is nonsense and have yet to stumble on some evidence to save your failed ideas. Now if you are talking about a lane and not Flight 77, then your fantasy world with flying lanes will come in handy when you get a ticket you can claim insanity.

20th October 2009, 05:03 PM	#208
9/11 Chewy Defense Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Planet Kashyyyk, currently on Planet Endor with the Ewoks fighting the Galactic Truther Empire Posts: 1,732	Quote: Beachnut..... http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...wtcengine4.jpg http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...debris22sm.jpg http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...b/77engine.jpg Well what do ya know Bill? ENGINES!
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23rd October 2009, 12:39 AM	#210
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sinny 'Straya. Posts: 4,925	Originally Posted by beachnut ... Now if you are talking about a lane and not Flight 77, then your fantasy world with flying lanes will come in handy when you get a ticket you can claim insanity. I think I now understand Bill's posting style. An insanity defense might stand a chance if his lawyer could point to his history on this site. So what are you planning Bill? Rape? Murder? Arson? What's that you say? - I have no evidence? Neither do you.

24th October 2009, 07:07 AM	#212
Fourbrick Scholar Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 64	Originally Posted by T.A.M. Most don't care, but I do. I care because I am elated when the stupid idiots that come here repeating the same stupid silly truther canards get themselves banned. As a result, if I smell a sock, I wanna make sure we catch him. But if you turn out to simply be another fresh truther, that is fine. It has been rather boring here as of late anyway. TAM First of all apologies to the Professor for abusing the board, but it does seem as though some people believe they sit on the right hand side of God. Regarding T.A.M.'s post, my comment wasn't about what anybody's ideas regarding 9-11 were about, it was about his comments about me.That's why I said what I did. (By the way, what on earth is a "sock", anyway?)
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24th October 2009, 07:23 AM	#213
W.D.Clinger Thinker Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 214	Originally Posted by Fourbrick (By the way, what on earth is a "sock", anyway?) Sockpuppet_(Internet)^WP
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24th October 2009, 09:19 AM	#214
Fourbrick Scholar Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 64	Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger Sockpuppet_(Internet)^WP Thanks, Clinger.
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14th November 2009, 02:17 AM	#215
Caustic Logic Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,711	[B]Exhibit H[/B] Exhibit H Mike Walter. From another thread, our resident NoCbot of the month: Originally Posted by mudlark It's not my theory it's what he outright claims mate! Here he is on the NORTH side of the citgo describing the plane making this bank on the north side of the station! http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/u...walter-NoC.gif Video link here. If this CIT graphic, which seems new, is correct, he's on board now too. North of Citgo and turning towards presumably the spot where it HIT THE DANG building would indeed fit CIT's impossible corkscrew path, minus the invisible pull up and flyover. I don't feel like watching the video and stuff, so forgive me if I'm wrong, but my guess is he simply decided it would be more fun to play along with the "wild eyed fast-talker" and "the heavyset one who didn't say much" than just ignore them. That would make exhibit H. I don't see how this is consistent with his previous accounts, and they don't seem to care where he was a liar. Saw the belly? Slightest turn, graceful... descnded... impacted... lying MSM Gannett USA Today NWO Masonic evildoer ... high profile MSM impact account ... operation blueberry! Now it's again, I presume, "oh da witnesses is comin outta da woodworks even da insidas is abandon shipz!" Who'll be Exhibit I? I'm betting on Aziz ElHallou. Mr. England does seem to enjoy playing but he's beyond help as an ally for them ever. Aside from a full confession for playing along with the light pole deal, a spiritual cleansing of masonic forces, clear flyover account, and requesting asylum in their treefort to avoid gettin kilt. Could it only get that fun?

17th November 2009, 01:47 PM	#216
Mangoose Muse Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 879	Don't fall for the CIT distortion of what he's saying. The interview was filmed outside the CITGO and the cameraman happened to be north of him, but he was making no claims that the plane itself was NOC; he was not indicating the location of the plane vis-a-vis the locational background but with respect to HIMSELF. His gestures indicated how the plane looked to him as it was almost upon him: "it was like the silver underbelly of a jet", his gestures accompany this statement. He's illustrating with his hand and his gaze what it was like to look up at the plane's underbelly in front of him. He could have given the same interview anywhere and made the same motions. He happened to be there because he took the interviewer on the drive he took that morning, and that is where he ended up, driving along the cloverleaf, after the crash on 9/11, as that is about where he gave his several interviews that morning. Just a moment later, he goes on to say: "I know it was a passenger jet, I know it was a big jet," and then he turns to point in the direction of the SOC path and his location on 9/11, and continues, "...and I know it was screaming towards the Pentagon".
Mangoose Muse Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 879	__________________ Steven Jones: "Witness testimony evidencing explosions accompanied by white dust clouds ... are physical indicators of the presence of energetic chemical reactions in the rubble at GZ." (source) Reality: The witness in question was actually describing the dust clouds accompanying the collapse of the South Tower. (source) Last edited by Mangoose; 17th November 2009 at 01:51 PM.

19th November 2009, 05:47 PM	#217
Caustic Logic Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,711	I tentatively withdraw exhibit H pending further study, which... meh, A-G is plenty, and even that's all water under the bridge by now. It was a fun weird ride, guys, thanks!

20th November 2009, 12:56 AM	#218
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sinny 'Straya. Posts: 4,925	Someone calling himself MercBezerk is commenting on my Youtube movie "Nuts Downunder" and accusing me of being a coward for not taking my camera to Washington and talking to the same guys that CIT did. He doesn't seem to understand that Sydney Australia is a bit more than a road trip away from the CITGO station. I wonder if it could be Aldo? Quote: MercBezerk (8 hours ago) Why are you so against evidence that proves an inside job Brainfake? Let's think about this for a minute. The witnesses stand by what they saw. They will not recant. You and your ilk have demanded evidence from the truth movement. Eyewitness testimony is evidence. Why wouldn't you want this investigated further, Brainfake? Why are you so invested in shutting them down on the internet before they even reach the gov't authorities? Why are you so invested in keeping them marginalized? Why is that? I replied with the usual response about cherry picking and leading witnesses etc and said that soon he'd be telling me that Lloyde England was a CIA agent... Quote: MercBezerk (8 hours ago) No one was cherry picked Brainfake, no one was led. Go to the CIT forum, you will see everyone CIT has contacted and there are many. Not one witness has said that CIT misrepresented them or led them. If anything, CIT led them to the south side, and they still refused. Lloyde England is clearly an asset of some sort. He is implicated, Brainfake. You can't change that. I think the meat in the CIT sandwich has got it in for me...

20th November 2009, 01:07 AM	#219
UNLoVedRebel Hard Knocks Doctorate Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: School of Hard Knocks Posts: 2,572	Yes, that is tubby. Ask him if he plans on doing anything about his male pattern baldness.
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20th November 2009, 01:08 AM	#220
Caustic Logic Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,711	Aldo has = Merc, MercBezerk, CitizenMerc, MercMercy, MercnCheese, AllyoucanMerc, etc. Craig has = JackTripper, LyteTrip, TripLyte, LyteBrite, RainBobryte, RoboTripper, GahHuffer, LyteontheToes, TwinkleTrip, etc. I may have made up some of Craig's, I forget now. But this I didn't: Originally Posted by MercLyte Brainache, hah you coward. We had the guts to go talk to the worst most incoherent witnesses ever. Why can't you take the time to fly there like we did and bang your head against Lagasse and Brooks? Afraid? You are a traitor to the USA. Get off our internet and go back to Austria and hump a kangaroo.

20th November 2009, 01:14 AM	#221
UNLoVedRebel Hard Knocks Doctorate Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: School of Hard Knocks Posts: 2,572
	__________________ "I believe that a giant monster threw the planes at the towers," TheWeirdSkeptic. "Was the monster a female? I'm not really sure where my wife was that day." Homeland Insurgency Last edited by UNLoVedRebel; 20th November 2009 at 01:29 AM.

20th November 2009, 01:17 AM	#222
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sinny 'Straya. Posts: 4,925	Originally Posted by Caustic Logic Aldo has = Merc, MercBezerk, CitizenMerc, MercMercy, MercnCheese, AllyoucanMerc, etc. Craig has = JackTripper, LyteTrip, TripLyte, LyteBrite, RainBobryte, RoboTripper, GahHuffer, LyteontheToes, TwinkleTrip, etc. I may have made up some of Craig's, I forget now. But this I didn't: Merc-ury Poisoning? Lyte Fantastic?

20th November 2009, 01:18 AM	#223
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sinny 'Straya. Posts: 4,925	Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel Stundied. I think Caustic was doing a CIT parody....It's hard to tell sometimes tho'

20th November 2009, 01:20 AM	#224
UNLoVedRebel Hard Knocks Doctorate Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: School of Hard Knocks Posts: 2,572	Originally Posted by Brainache I think Caustic was doing a CIT parody....It's hard to tell sometimes tho' He said he wasn't Originally Posted by Caustic Logic I may have made up some of Craig's, I forget now. But this I didn't:
	__________________ "I believe that a giant monster threw the planes at the towers," TheWeirdSkeptic. "Was the monster a female? I'm not really sure where my wife was that day." Homeland Insurgency

20th November 2009, 01:25 AM	#225
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sinny 'Straya. Posts: 4,925	This one is definitely real: Quote: MercBezerk (9 hours ago) The problem is you are an arrogant goal post mover. You actually thought you were right this whole time and have invested so much time in your arrogant posturing that you can't admit you are wrong. It's ok. You will never have the balls to confront CIT or the witnesses they spoke with. You will continue to be some anonymous coward making grandiose statements about witnesses you will NOT confront on an issue you weren't even there to see. Not only has my irony meter exploded, it set fire to the projector as well!

20th November 2009, 01:26 AM	#226
Caustic Logic Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,711	Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel Stundied. ETA: Got a link Adam? Indeedy!

20th November 2009, 01:26 AM	#227
UNLoVedRebel Hard Knocks Doctorate Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: School of Hard Knocks Posts: 2,572	God only knows what this said MercBezerk (6 hours ago) Comment removed by author
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20th November 2009, 01:34 AM	#228
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sinny 'Straya. Posts: 4,925	Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel God only knows what this said MercBezerk (6 hours ago) Comment removed by author Yes I wonder. I saw that about 5 minutes after he posted it. I'm sure it was something flattering about how much better my camera work was than the shakey, constant wild pans and crashing around in "The Pentacon".