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amb · 19th November 2009, 12:43 AM

Has anyone ever asked DOC whether he accepts evolution of the universe or is he a creationist? Just curious.

zooterkin · 19th November 2009, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by amb

Has anyone ever asked DOC whether he accepts evolution of the universe or is he a creationist? Just curious.

What do you mean by 'evolution of the universe'? It sounds as though you're conflating creation of the universe with the evolution of life; they're separate, though not completely unrelated, things.

Lothian · 19th November 2009, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by amb

Has anyone ever asked DOC whether he accepts evolution of the universe or is he a creationist? Just curious.

He is a creationist who takes the bible to be true in every respect, so he denies the big bang. However he has in the past linked to a website that argued that the bible describes the big bang. So his arguments are inconsistent. Who would have thunk it.

paximperium · 19th November 2009, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

He is a creationist who takes the bible to be true in every respect, so he denies the big bang. However he has in the past linked to a website that argued that the bible describes the big bang. So his arguments are inconsistent. Who would have thunk it.

My impression is that he an Old Earth Creationist ie Intelligent Design.

amb · 19th November 2009, 04:25 AM

Yes the god guiding evolution type of ID. I wonder why after all these centuries this god has not been able to eliminate the cancer causing gene out of his creation. Come to think of it, this god has not even been able to fix the bad backs most humans are afflicted with.

pakeha · 19th November 2009, 04:55 AM

Weren't there some comments about swamp scum or pond scum from DOC?
I'll see if they're to be found.

pakeha · 19th November 2009, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by DOC

I meant it shows that almost everyone believes in absolute morality. So that means almost everyone believes something is right or wrong regardless of how many people believe so.

So where did these absolute moral laws that almost everyone believes in come from? I contend moral laws must come from a lawgiver, they don't come from swamp scum. And since these absolute moral laws are outside the human experience they must have been made by someone outside of humanity {aka God}. That is unless you believe non living material like swamp scum can make absolute moral laws.

I knew I'd read that recently.
Enjoy.

paximperium · 19th November 2009, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by pakeha

I knew I'd read that recently.
Enjoy.

At least swamp scum actually exists.

Filippo Lippi · 19th November 2009, 06:13 AM

I believe the context was along the following lines.

Doc presented the dichotomy that "absolute morality" eithed came from god (and therefore the NTW were telling the truth) or it came from "pondscum." It was in this thread, several hundred pages back, WHICH IS EVIDENCE IN ITSELF!

Paulhoff · 19th November 2009, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by amb

Yes the god guiding evolution type of ID. I wonder why after all these centuries this god has not been able to eliminate the cancer causing gene out of his creation. Come to think of it, this god has not even been able to fix the bad backs most humans are afflicted with.

Oh, they love to use the SIN thing for all that. But with evolution one would expect things to be messed up, with life not being perfect.

Paul

pakeha · 19th November 2009, 06:49 AM

Ah, swamp scum.
Obviously not an original idea to DOC, so I looked it up and will post up various examples
Here's one I lliked:
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache...=es&lr=lang_en

This from Theo H. Tirips, S.J.'s blog/article
"In Defense of Ben Stein"

Quote:

<snipped>We all know by heart Exodus 20: 11, Commandment number Two (from the New American Study Bible, St Jerome edition):

“In six days I, the Lord, made the earth, the sky, the seas, and everything in them, but on the seventh day I rested.” (Exodus 20:11).

And where Jesus said: “But in the beginning, at the time of creation, ‘God made them male and female,’ as the Scripture says (Mk 10:6, and Mat 19:4);

And Jesus again: "As it was in the days of Noah,…they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.” (Luke 17: 26-27).

These passages undeniably contradict the standard swamp scum _tadpole _fish _mammal _monkey _man macro version of evolutionism. We ask the Bishop, the priests or anyone with some connection to the Holy Spirit to advise his brother priests, the editor of the diocese’ newspaper, and the parishioners how we may interpret these three only---of the many other conflicting Scriptural passages---in a way that justifies belief in this theory conceived in naturalism. Is the Holy Spirit telling us to have constant faith in God’s Word, or abandon God’s word in favor of a theory by man that can never be tested or verified? <snipped>

six7s · 19th November 2009, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by amb

Has anyone ever asked DOC whether he accepts evolution of the universe or is he a creationist? Just curious.

It seems that DOC's ideas on evolution are on a par with his opinions regarding 'evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.'.

Indeed, he even starts threads on the subject!

And, likewise, his OPs get p4wned immediately by teh usual suspects

Most atheists do not know what science says about our origins

Originally Posted by DOC

The origin of life is a crucial part (if not the most important question) of the Theist/Atheist debate. Yet I contend that most atheists are not aware that all life (the blue whales, the insects, the elephants, the octopuses, the trees in the redwood forests, the butterflies, the cactus, the humans, all the dinosaurs, and the multi-millions of other plant and animal species) that have ever existed are descended from the "same" one celled organism. (according to modern science)

I would estimate that no more than 10 percent of all atheists know that modern science believes that all the millions of "plant and animal" species that have ever existed came from the "same" organism (and that first organism that we all came from was a one celled bacteria).

Originally Posted by joobz

1. "Science" doesn't claim that we come from a single one celled organism.
2. I'm willing to guess that 91.432342% of all atheists know that science doesn't claim that we all come from a single one celled organism. The remaining athiests are still too busy filling their diapers with poop to weigh in on the subject.

Is Science getting closer to God and the Bible?

Originally Posted by DOC

I came across this site that claims many scientific principles were actually presented first in the bible.

http://www.creationevidence.org/scie...scripture.html

/* Sorta like the whole www.creationevidence.org site, that link is 'broken'... the closest match I have found from a site-specifc search is http://75.125.60.6/~creatio1/index.p...&id=5&Itemid=7 */

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Ha ha ha ha ha!

One of the claims is that precipitation was unknown at the time the bible was written. Yeah, like it never rained back then.

Ooh and snow was unheard of.

And cavemen! Wait, I thought fundamentalists didn't believe in cave men.

This site really is too funny.

calebprime · 19th November 2009, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

The Three Wise Men™ have discovered an ancient text, created by Ram-seh, and are using it to resolve their uncertainty.

http://www.yvonneclaireadams.com/Hos...3WiseMen04.gif

The silence of the Middle Camel troubles me, o great Akhenaten, and yet it is right and marvelous. I seek only to understand.

six7s · 19th November 2009, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by pakeha

Weren't there some comments about swamp scum or pond scum from DOC?
I'll see if they're to be found.

I think DOC prefers 'swamp scum' rather than the

Originally Posted by six7s

'Perpetually Optimistic Naysayers of Doc's Superstitious Crap and Ulterior Motives' club

Akhenaten · 19th November 2009, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by calebprime

The silence of the Middle Camel troubles me, o great Akhenaten, and yet it is right and marvelous. I seek only to understand.

Well, the one on the right was on the left
And the one in the middle was on the right
And the one on the left was in the middle
And the guy in the rear was a Methodist.

pakeha · 19th November 2009, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by six7s

I think DOC prefers 'swamp scum' rather than the

Quote:

Originally Posted by six7s
'Perpetually Optimistic Naysayers of Doc's Superstitious Crap and Ulterior Motives' club

Very probably, six7s.
The example I posted will be the only one I'm going to post-the reading of this stuff just got too depressing. Made me wonder if we couldn't just return to the swamp and start over again.

six7s · 19th November 2009, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

Well, the one on the right was on the left
And the one in the middle was on the right
And the one on the left was in the middle
And the guy in the rear was a ~~Methodist~~ Catholic priest.

FTFY

calebprime · 19th November 2009, 07:29 AM

You make me say 'heh' o great Akhenaten, if I may dare say so--which is like the sound that also issues from my mouth at the thought that, soon, we will be presented with evidence for why we may know that the New Testament writers told the truth.

six7s · 19th November 2009, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by calebprime

You make me say 'heh' o great Akhenaten, if I may dare say so--which is like the sound that also issues from my mouth at the thought that, soon, we will be presented with evidence for why we may know that the New Testament writers told the truth.

So... you're not holding your breath, either, huh?

RoboTimbo · 19th November 2009, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

Well, the one on the right was on the left
And the one in the middle was on the right
And the one on the left was in the middle
And the guy in the rear was a Methodist.

The really great JC*!

*That's Johnny Cash for the profane unitiated.

Lucian · 19th November 2009, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by pakeha

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOC
I meant it shows that almost everyone believes in absolute morality. So that means almost everyone believes something is right or wrong regardless of how many people believe so.

So where did these absolute moral laws that almost everyone believes in come from? I contend moral laws must come from a lawgiver, they don't come from swamp scum. And since these absolute moral laws are outside the human experience they must have been made by someone outside of humanity {aka God}. That is unless you believe non living material like swamp scum can make absolute moral laws.

I knew I'd read that recently.
Enjoy.

Oh, I thought he was talking about atheists when he mentioned swamp scum. You know, that atheists are non-living material with no sense of morality.

pakeha · 19th November 2009, 11:43 PM

I see what you mean, Lucian.
At the time DOC first posted this characteristic little post, I was doing some investigation of Creationism (meh. youtube. One thing that fascinated me was a nine part debate between banana man and thunderfOOt ) and so that 'catchphrase' "From goo to you through the zoo" was very much present.

Now whether that 'swamp scum' phrase means DOC is a 'young' or 'old' Creationist is another matter.
For another thread or here, pushing on to 500?

amb · 20th November 2009, 12:41 AM

So.....let me get this straight. DOC believes in an old creation by evolution guided by god yet he still believes in Adam and Moses and all the rest of the characters written about in the whole babble which according to Bishop Usher was created much less than 10.000 years ago.

Paulhoff · 20th November 2009, 08:52 AM

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I AGREE

The guy is funny, and has a good twist on it all.

Paul

19th November 2009, 12:43 AM	#8281
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19th November 2009, 01:13 AM	#8282
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, UK Posts: 5,370	Originally Posted by amb Has anyone ever asked DOC whether he accepts evolution of the universe or is he a creationist? Just curious. What do you mean by 'evolution of the universe'? It sounds as though you're conflating creation of the universe with the evolution of life; they're separate, though not completely unrelated, things.
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19th November 2009, 01:17 AM	#8283
Lothian (edited for breach of rule 10) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A small, blue-green world in one of the less fashionable sectors of the galaxy Posts: 6,613	Originally Posted by amb Has anyone ever asked DOC whether he accepts evolution of the universe or is he a creationist? Just curious. He is a creationist who takes the bible to be true in every respect, so he denies the big bang. However he has in the past linked to a website that argued that the bible describes the big bang. So his arguments are inconsistent. Who would have thunk it.
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19th November 2009, 03:50 AM	#8284
paximperium Philosopher Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 7,044	Originally Posted by Lothian He is a creationist who takes the bible to be true in every respect, so he denies the big bang. However he has in the past linked to a website that argued that the bible describes the big bang. So his arguments are inconsistent. Who would have thunk it. My impression is that he an Old Earth Creationist ie Intelligent Design.
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19th November 2009, 04:25 AM	#8285
amb Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 8,115	Yes the god guiding evolution type of ID. I wonder why after all these centuries this god has not been able to eliminate the cancer causing gene out of his creation. Come to think of it, this god has not even been able to fix the bad backs most humans are afflicted with.
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19th November 2009, 04:55 AM	#8286
pakeha Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,048	Weren't there some comments about swamp scum or pond scum from DOC? I'll see if they're to be found.
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19th November 2009, 04:58 AM	#8287
pakeha Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,048	Originally Posted by DOC I meant it shows that almost everyone believes in absolute morality. So that means almost everyone believes something is right or wrong regardless of how many people believe so. So where did these absolute moral laws that almost everyone believes in come from? I contend moral laws must come from a lawgiver, they don't come from swamp scum. And since these absolute moral laws are outside the human experience they must have been made by someone outside of humanity {aka God}. That is unless you believe non living material like swamp scum can make absolute moral laws. I knew I'd read that recently. Enjoy.
pakeha Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,048	__________________ It's a perfect time of year. It's your hemisphere that's all wrong. from "The Wisdom of Akhenaten, the Heretic Pharaoh", vol. 12.

19th November 2009, 05:03 AM	#8288
paximperium Philosopher Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 7,044	Originally Posted by pakeha I knew I'd read that recently. Enjoy. At least swamp scum actually exists.
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19th November 2009, 06:13 AM	#8289
Filippo Lippi Muse Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Nottingham Posts: 601	I believe the context was along the following lines. Doc presented the dichotomy that "absolute morality" eithed came from god (and therefore the NTW were telling the truth) or it came from "pondscum." It was in this thread, several hundred pages back, WHICH IS EVIDENCE IN ITSELF!
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19th November 2009, 06:36 AM	#8290
Paulhoff You can't expect perfection. Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,810	Originally Posted by amb Yes the god guiding evolution type of ID. I wonder why after all these centuries this god has not been able to eliminate the cancer causing gene out of his creation. Come to think of it, this god has not even been able to fix the bad backs most humans are afflicted with. Oh, they love to use the SIN thing for all that. But with evolution one would expect things to be messed up, with life not being perfect. Paul
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19th November 2009, 06:49 AM	#8291
pakeha Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,048	Ah, swamp scum. Obviously not an original idea to DOC, so I looked it up and will post up various examples Here's one I lliked: http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache...=es&lr=lang_en This from Theo H. Tirips, S.J.'s blog/article "In Defense of Ben Stein" Quote: <snipped>We all know by heart Exodus 20: 11, Commandment number Two (from the New American Study Bible, St Jerome edition): “In six days I, the Lord, made the earth, the sky, the seas, and everything in them, but on the seventh day I rested.” (Exodus 20:11). And where Jesus said: “But in the beginning, at the time of creation, ‘God made them male and female,’ as the Scripture says (Mk 10:6, and Mat 19:4); And Jesus again: "As it was in the days of Noah,…they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.” (Luke 17: 26-27). These passages undeniably contradict the standard swamp scum _tadpole _fish _mammal _monkey _man macro version of evolutionism. We ask the Bishop, the priests or anyone with some connection to the Holy Spirit to advise his brother priests, the editor of the diocese’ newspaper, and the parishioners how we may interpret these three only---of the many other conflicting Scriptural passages---in a way that justifies belief in this theory conceived in naturalism. Is the Holy Spirit telling us to have constant faith in God’s Word, or abandon God’s word in favor of a theory by man that can never be tested or verified? <snipped>
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19th November 2009, 06:50 AM	#8292
six7s veretic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 7,768	Originally Posted by amb Has anyone ever asked DOC whether he accepts evolution of the universe or is he a creationist? Just curious. It seems that DOC's ideas on evolution are on a par with his opinions regarding 'evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.'. Indeed, he even starts threads on the subject! And, likewise, his OPs get p4wned immediately by teh usual suspects Most atheists do not know what science says about our origins Originally Posted by DOC The origin of life is a crucial part (if not the most important question) of the Theist/Atheist debate. Yet I contend that most atheists are not aware that all life (the blue whales, the insects, the elephants, the octopuses, the trees in the redwood forests, the butterflies, the cactus, the humans, all the dinosaurs, and the multi-millions of other plant and animal species) that have ever existed are descended from the "same" one celled organism. (according to modern science) I would estimate that no more than 10 percent of all atheists know that modern science believes that all the millions of "plant and animal" species that have ever existed came from the "same" organism (and that first organism that we all came from was a one celled bacteria). Originally Posted by joobz 1. "Science" doesn't claim that we come from a single one celled organism. 2. I'm willing to guess that 91.432342% of all atheists know that science doesn't claim that we all come from a single one celled organism. The remaining athiests are still too busy filling their diapers with poop to weigh in on the subject. Is Science getting closer to God and the Bible? Originally Posted by DOC I came across this site that claims many scientific principles were actually presented first in the bible. http://www.creationevidence.org/scie...scripture.html /* Sorta like the whole www.creationevidence.org site, that link is 'broken'... the closest match I have found from a site-specifc search is http://75.125.60.6/~creatio1/index.p...&id=5&Itemid=7 / Originally Posted by Hokulele* Ha ha ha ha ha! One of the claims is that precipitation was unknown at the time the bible was written. Yeah, like it never rained back then. Ooh and snow was unheard of. And cavemen! Wait, I thought fundamentalists didn't believe in cave men. This site really is too funny.
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19th November 2009, 07:00 AM	#8293
calebprime Somewhat Elitist Parasite Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,991	Originally Posted by Akhenaten The Three Wise Men™ have discovered an ancient text, created by Ram-seh, and are using it to resolve their uncertainty. http://www.yvonneclaireadams.com/Hos...3WiseMen04.gif The silence of the Middle Camel troubles me, o great Akhenaten, and yet it is right and marvelous. I seek only to understand.
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19th November 2009, 07:07 AM	#8294
six7s veretic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 7,768	Originally Posted by pakeha Weren't there some comments about swamp scum or pond scum from DOC? I'll see if they're to be found. I think DOC prefers 'swamp scum' rather than the Originally Posted by six7s 'Perpetually Optimistic Naysayers of Doc's Superstitious Crap and Ulterior Motives' club
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19th November 2009, 07:10 AM	#8295
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19th November 2009, 07:13 AM	#8296
pakeha Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,048	Originally Posted by six7s I think DOC prefers 'swamp scum' rather than the Quote: Originally Posted by six7s 'Perpetually Optimistic Naysayers of Doc's Superstitious Crap and Ulterior Motives' club Very probably, six7s. The example I posted will be the only one I'm going to post-the reading of this stuff just got too depressing. Made me wonder if we couldn't just return to the swamp and start over again.
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19th November 2009, 07:24 AM	#8297
six7s veretic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 7,768	Originally Posted by Akhenaten Well, the one on the right was on the left And the one in the middle was on the right And the one on the left was in the middle And the guy in the rear was a ~~Methodist~~ Catholic priest. FTFY
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19th November 2009, 07:29 AM	#8298
calebprime Somewhat Elitist Parasite Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,991	You make me say 'heh' o great Akhenaten, if I may dare say so--which is like the sound that also issues from my mouth at the thought that, soon, we will be presented with evidence for why we may know that the New Testament writers told the truth.
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19th November 2009, 07:31 AM	#8299
six7s veretic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 7,768	Originally Posted by calebprime You make me say 'heh' o great Akhenaten, if I may dare say so--which is like the sound that also issues from my mouth at the thought that, soon, we will be presented with evidence for why we may know that the New Testament writers told the truth. So... you're not holding your breath, either, huh?
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19th November 2009, 07:52 AM	#8300
RoboTimbo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rachel, KS Posts: 3,229	Originally Posted by Akhenaten Well, the one on the right was on the left And the one in the middle was on the right And the one on the left was in the middle And the guy in the rear was a Methodist. The really great JC! That's Johnny Cash for the profane unitiated.
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19th November 2009, 11:33 AM	#8301
Lucian Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 423	Originally Posted by pakeha Quote: Originally Posted by DOC I meant it shows that almost everyone believes in absolute morality. So that means almost everyone believes something is right or wrong regardless of how many people believe so. So where did these absolute moral laws that almost everyone believes in come from? I contend moral laws must come from a lawgiver, they don't come from swamp scum. And since these absolute moral laws are outside the human experience they must have been made by someone outside of humanity {aka God}. That is unless you believe non living material like swamp scum can make absolute moral laws. I knew I'd read that recently. Enjoy. Oh, I thought he was talking about atheists when he mentioned swamp scum. You know, that atheists are non-living material with no sense of morality.
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19th November 2009, 11:43 PM	#8302
pakeha Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,048	I see what you mean, Lucian. At the time DOC first posted this characteristic little post, I was doing some investigation of Creationism (meh. youtube. One thing that fascinated me was a nine part debate between banana man and thunderfOOt ) and so that 'catchphrase' "From goo to you through the zoo" was very much present. Now whether that 'swamp scum' phrase means DOC is a 'young' or 'old' Creationist is another matter. For another thread or here, pushing on to 500?
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20th November 2009, 12:41 AM	#8303
amb Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 8,115	So.....let me get this straight. DOC believes in an old creation by evolution guided by god yet he still believes in Adam and Moses and all the rest of the characters written about in the whole babble which according to Bishop Usher was created much less than 10.000 years ago.
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