Holocaust denial and Truthers - Page 4

lionking · 17th June 2010, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by little grey rabbit

I think that you probably fall into the category of an unuseful idiot.

Think of it as a little like the SS, lionking. The SS in its ideology didn't say they were all about evil or genocide. Their slogans were words like "Honour", "Loyalty" and "Purity". Even when carrying out their alleged genocide program it was called "resettlement" and "final solution". They created realities and belief structures which at the lower levels people could work within without feeling they were committing crimes or doing wrong, in fact, believe that they were acting with the highest integrity.

This probably explains why the Nazis admired the Rhodes Scholarship scheme so much.

As I have said on other occasions, any criticism of me by holocaust denying truthers only enhances my status.

But let me get this straight. Are you saying that the SS (and Nazis in general) were not evil because they didn't believe they were evil?

lionking · 17th June 2010, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by ImANiceGuy

Your job was to demonstrate that he is an unapologetic jew-hater. In this job you failed.

Come on. Even MagZ himself would likely characteise himself as a jew hater, though he would use weasel words to do so.

little grey rabbit · 17th June 2010, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

As I have said on other occasions, any criticism of me by holocaust denying truthers only enhances my status.

It is so sad that your status should be so insignificant that it can be enhanced by so little. I shall endeavour to enhance it as much as I can in future.

No need to thank me.

Quote:

But let me get this straight. Are you saying that the SS (and Nazis in general) were not evil because they didn't believe they were evil?

Why don't you read what I wrote again and see if you can understand it the second time around.

lionking · 17th June 2010, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by little grey rabbit

Why don't you read what I wrote again and see if you can understand it the second time around.

Evasion noted.

sheeplesnshills · 18th June 2010, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by little grey rabbit

Do truthers and holocaust denial overlap?

In my view, less than you would expect.
Most truthers won't embrace Holocaust denial because they like Nazism is the embodiment of human demonic evil as something they can compare whoever they finger the for 911, eg The Bushitler. The idea of evil is a very comforting paradigm for a truther and one which we have been culturally atuned to encompass Nazism.

Few "name" Deniers will embrace truthism because they believe it will harm their "credibility", they are seeking to construct a historical narrative complete with normal academic trappings so being associated with Truthism is just a distraction. The rank and file deniers, of which i am only aware of less than 100 active on the Internet worldwide (but then I don't monitor places like Stormfront or VNN) will tend towards some aspects of Truthism.

The one area there is a bit of overlap is the people who claim Mossad did 911.
These will often indulge in a bit of soft Jeff Rense like denial.

As far as Killtown, if he/she is associated with Webfairy, I think they were both quite enamoured with the idea of Nazism as ultimate evil to ever seriously indulge in HD.

Yet I got kicked of 911oz for questioning CIT and P4T excrement yet Holocaust deniers were given free reign.......go figure.

dc1971 · 25th June 2010, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

But they are willing to porpogate lies started by Nazis, like Bollyn's crap about pools of molten metal reported by demolition contractors or his BS about the engine parts found at the Pentagon.

They need a bunch of morons angry at the government because they will not, otherwise, have enough people fighting the government when they start the RaHoWa.

Okay, another piece of terminology I'm not familiar with... what is RaHoWa??

GreNME · 25th June 2010, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by dc1971

Okay, another piece of terminology I'm not familiar with... what is RaHoWa??

Race Holy War.

You hear "rahowa" sometimes chanted in crowds of neo-nazi folk, typically the pseudo-militant-anarchist types and (nazi) skinheads. Pretty sure there's even a racist record company or band or something with that name.

BaaBaa · 25th June 2010, 11:09 PM

Yup...it's, IIRC, Canadian even...yay. :|

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Burdi#RaHoWa

dc1971 · 26th June 2010, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by GreNME

Race Holy War.

You hear "rahowa" sometimes chanted in crowds of neo-nazi folk, typically the pseudo-militant-anarchist types and (nazi) skinheads. Pretty sure there's even a racist record company or band or something with that name.

Who was the right-winger/John Birch Society/anti-communist southern baptist preacher who started his own record company signing only bands who would only play anti-commie themed music? We're talking 1950's - ish?

Budly · 22nd July 2010, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by little grey rabbit

Do truthers and holocaust denial overlap?

In my view, less than you would expect.
Most truthers won't embrace Holocaust denial because they like Nazism is the embodiment of human demonic evil as something they can compare whoever they finger the for 911, eg The Bushitler. The idea of evil is a very comforting paradigm for a truther and one which we have been culturally atuned to encompass Nazism.

Few "name" Deniers will embrace truthism because they believe it will harm their "credibility", they are seeking to construct a historical narrative complete with normal academic trappings so being associated with Truthism is just a distraction. The rank and file deniers, of which i am only aware of less than 100 active on the Internet worldwide (but then I don't monitor places like Stormfront or VNN) will tend towards some aspects of Truthism.

The one area there is a bit of overlap is the people who claim Mossad did 911.
These will often indulge in a bit of soft Jeff Rense like denial.

As far as Killtown, if he/she is associated with Webfairy, I think they were both quite enamoured with the idea of Nazism as ultimate evil to ever seriously indulge in HD.

If you're a Holocaust Denier, you shouldn't be a Truther. The arguments for the former are strong, but the latter are weak.

TheRedWorm · 22nd July 2010, 08:31 AM

No. They are both equally without support.

TSR · 22nd July 2010, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by TheRedWorm

No. They are both equally without support.

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CloudStrife may be interested in this thread.
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bill smith · 22nd July 2010, 12:21 PM

test.

bill smith · 22nd July 2010, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by TheRedWorm

No. They are both equally without support.

That's interesting....By pressing 'quote' on your post I can reply to you with quote but if I do the same with Cloud Strife I just get the login screen time after time and cannot post with quote..

Budly · 22nd July 2010, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by TheRedWorm

No. They are both equally without support.

Why do you consider Holocaust Denial to be "without support?"

TSR · 22nd July 2010, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by CloudStrife

Why do you consider Holocaust Denial to be "without support?"

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Why don't you ask this question in a thread for which it is on-topic, and if TRW does not respond, PM zie with a pointer?
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bill smith · 22nd July 2010, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by TSR

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Why don't you ask this question in a thread for which it is on-topic, and if TRW does not respond, PM zie with a pointer?
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Relax Red Worm. We haven't noticed.

TSR · 22nd July 2010, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Relax Red Worm. We haven't noticed.

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Ummmm. What?

Check who you're quoting and try again.
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Dog Town · 22nd July 2010, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

That's interesting....By pressing 'quote' on your post I can reply to you with quote but if I do the same with Cloud Strife I just get the login screen time after time and cannot post with quote..

Just the NWO, messing with your head. Not that it takes much.
Is it a coincidence, or a conspiracy? Let the readers decide!

17th June 2010, 07:24 PM	#121
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,667	Originally Posted by little grey rabbit I think that you probably fall into the category of an unuseful idiot. Think of it as a little like the SS, lionking. The SS in its ideology didn't say they were all about evil or genocide. Their slogans were words like "Honour", "Loyalty" and "Purity". Even when carrying out their alleged genocide program it was called "resettlement" and "final solution". They created realities and belief structures which at the lower levels people could work within without feeling they were committing crimes or doing wrong, in fact, believe that they were acting with the highest integrity. This probably explains why the Nazis admired the Rhodes Scholarship scheme so much. As I have said on other occasions, any criticism of me by holocaust denying truthers only enhances my status. But let me get this straight. Are you saying that the SS (and Nazis in general) were not evil because they didn't believe they were evil?
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17th June 2010, 07:26 PM	#122
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,667	Originally Posted by ImANiceGuy Your job was to demonstrate that he is an unapologetic jew-hater. In this job you failed. Come on. Even MagZ himself would likely characteise himself as a jew hater, though he would use weasel words to do so.
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17th June 2010, 08:01 PM	#124
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,667	Originally Posted by little grey rabbit Why don't you read what I wrote again and see if you can understand it the second time around. Evasion noted.
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25th June 2010, 10:03 PM	#126
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,033	Originally Posted by leftysergeant But they are willing to porpogate lies started by Nazis, like Bollyn's crap about pools of molten metal reported by demolition contractors or his BS about the engine parts found at the Pentagon. They need a bunch of morons angry at the government because they will not, otherwise, have enough people fighting the government when they start the RaHoWa. Okay, another piece of terminology I'm not familiar with... what is RaHoWa??
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25th June 2010, 10:16 PM	#127
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 8,283	Originally Posted by dc1971 Okay, another piece of terminology I'm not familiar with... what is RaHoWa?? Race Holy War. You hear "rahowa" sometimes chanted in crowds of neo-nazi folk, typically the pseudo-militant-anarchist types and (nazi) skinheads. Pretty sure there's even a racist record company or band or something with that name.
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17th June 2010, 08:00 PM	#123
little grey rabbit Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,167	Originally Posted by lionking As I have said on other occasions, any criticism of me by holocaust denying truthers only enhances my status. It is so sad that your status should be so insignificant that it can be enhanced by so little. I shall endeavour to enhance it as much as I can in future. No need to thank me. Quote: But let me get this straight. Are you saying that the SS (and Nazis in general) were not evil because they didn't believe they were evil? Why don't you read what I wrote again and see if you can understand it the second time around.

18th June 2010, 09:40 AM	#125
sheeplesnshills Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,706	Originally Posted by little grey rabbit Do truthers and holocaust denial overlap? In my view, less than you would expect. Most truthers won't embrace Holocaust denial because they like Nazism is the embodiment of human demonic evil as something they can compare whoever they finger the for 911, eg The Bushitler. The idea of evil is a very comforting paradigm for a truther and one which we have been culturally atuned to encompass Nazism. Few "name" Deniers will embrace truthism because they believe it will harm their "credibility", they are seeking to construct a historical narrative complete with normal academic trappings so being associated with Truthism is just a distraction. The rank and file deniers, of which i am only aware of less than 100 active on the Internet worldwide (but then I don't monitor places like Stormfront or VNN) will tend towards some aspects of Truthism. The one area there is a bit of overlap is the people who claim Mossad did 911. These will often indulge in a bit of soft Jeff Rense like denial. As far as Killtown, if he/she is associated with Webfairy, I think they were both quite enamoured with the idea of Nazism as ultimate evil to ever seriously indulge in HD. Yet I got kicked of 911oz for questioning CIT and P4T excrement yet Holocaust deniers were given free reign.......go figure.

25th June 2010, 11:09 PM	#128
BaaBaa Semi-literate hench-person Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,419	Yup...it's, IIRC, Canadian even...yay. :\| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Burdi#RaHoWa
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26th June 2010, 12:06 AM	#129
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,033	Originally Posted by GreNME Race Holy War. You hear "rahowa" sometimes chanted in crowds of neo-nazi folk, typically the pseudo-militant-anarchist types and (nazi) skinheads. Pretty sure there's even a racist record company or band or something with that name. Who was the right-winger/John Birch Society/anti-communist southern baptist preacher who started his own record company signing only bands who would only play anti-commie themed music? We're talking 1950's - ish?
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,033	Last edited by dc1971; 26th June 2010 at 12:08 AM.

22nd July 2010, 07:48 AM	#130
Budly Thinker Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 158	Originally Posted by little grey rabbit Do truthers and holocaust denial overlap? In my view, less than you would expect. Most truthers won't embrace Holocaust denial because they like Nazism is the embodiment of human demonic evil as something they can compare whoever they finger the for 911, eg The Bushitler. The idea of evil is a very comforting paradigm for a truther and one which we have been culturally atuned to encompass Nazism. Few "name" Deniers will embrace truthism because they believe it will harm their "credibility", they are seeking to construct a historical narrative complete with normal academic trappings so being associated with Truthism is just a distraction. The rank and file deniers, of which i am only aware of less than 100 active on the Internet worldwide (but then I don't monitor places like Stormfront or VNN) will tend towards some aspects of Truthism. The one area there is a bit of overlap is the people who claim Mossad did 911. These will often indulge in a bit of soft Jeff Rense like denial. As far as Killtown, if he/she is associated with Webfairy, I think they were both quite enamoured with the idea of Nazism as ultimate evil to ever seriously indulge in HD. If you're a Holocaust Denier, you shouldn't be a Truther. The arguments for the former are strong, but the latter are weak.
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22nd July 2010, 08:31 AM	#131
TheRedWorm I AM the Red Worm! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Body: Michigan, Heart: Chicago Posts: 3,900	No. They are both equally without support.
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22nd July 2010, 08:50 AM	#132
TSR Do you know what this notorious criminal did? Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,788	Originally Posted by TheRedWorm No. They are both equally without support. . CloudStrife may be interested in this thread. .
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22nd July 2010, 12:21 PM	#133
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	test.
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22nd July 2010, 12:29 PM	#134
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by TheRedWorm No. They are both equally without support. That's interesting....By pressing 'quote' on your post I can reply to you with quote but if I do the same with Cloud Strife I just get the login screen time after time and cannot post with quote..
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22nd July 2010, 12:47 PM	#135
Budly Thinker Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 158	Originally Posted by TheRedWorm No. They are both equally without support. Why do you consider Holocaust Denial to be "without support?"
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22nd July 2010, 12:54 PM	#136
TSR Do you know what this notorious criminal did? Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,788	Originally Posted by CloudStrife Why do you consider Holocaust Denial to be "without support?" . Why don't you ask this question in a thread for which it is on-topic, and if TRW does not respond, PM zie with a pointer? .
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22nd July 2010, 01:30 PM	#137
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by TSR . Why don't you ask this question in a thread for which it is on-topic, and if TRW does not respond, PM zie with a pointer? . Relax Red Worm. We haven't noticed.
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22nd July 2010, 01:32 PM	#138
TSR Do you know what this notorious criminal did? Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,788	Originally Posted by bill smith Relax Red Worm. We haven't noticed. . Ummmm. What? Check who you're quoting and try again. .
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22nd July 2010, 02:14 PM	#139
Dog Town Space for Rent Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sunny blue sky, cold water. Posts: 4,463	Originally Posted by bill smith That's interesting....By pressing 'quote' on your post I can reply to you with quote but if I do the same with Cloud Strife I just get the login screen time after time and cannot post with quote.. Just the NWO, messing with your head. Not that it takes much. Is it a coincidence, or a conspiracy? Let the readers decide!
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