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Old 23rd October 2010, 01:39 PM   #1
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The Seven Deadly Lies Your Doctor is Telling You - Jenny Thompson and HSI

This area or topic may have been covered, but I could not find anything on a search of the forum, or on google when cross-referenced with JREF.

Jennifer Thompson, HSI, and "The 7 Most Dangerous Lies Your Doctor's Telling You"...

I found a link to a audio presentation for the above title, when I was viewing (don't ask me why) the Michael Savage Home Page. I clicked on the link, and i was teleported to a playing of the audio. It is narrated, and I think written, by Jenny Thompson, director of the HSI (Health Sciences Institute). In the audio she goes over these alleged SEVEN DEADLY LIES, that supposedly myself and other MDs are telling patients. Here are a couple in a paraphrased nutshell. If you wanna listen to the whole thing, you can find it as a link on the Michael Savage Web Site, or here,

https://info.hsibaltimore.com/HSI/PHSILA37/landing.html


Lie#1: Chemo and Radiation are your best hope.
The talk then goes on to claim that there is a new cure that starts to work in 24 hours, called AGS (Sapogenin). Of course, they talk of anecdotal reports, etc...apparently this cure "even beat the new SUPERCANCERS!". It tells of chemo creating supercancers that do not respond to conventional treatments at all. Apparently it has ZERO side effects as well (AGS).


Lie#2: Your heart's a ticking time bomb.
the talk then villianizes cholesterol medications, aspirin, etc...claiming that in just a moment she will tell us of a dozen ways of actually CURING the problem with high cholesterol or blood pressure. Cure#1 - Soy based food, they don't name it for a full 5 minutes after mentioning it. And a 100% safety record. She wont give the name up here...she moves on to Lie #3...

Lie #3: It's just a normal part of aging....

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I could go on, but I had to stop listening...my ears were starting to bleed.

Has anyone heard of this Jenny Thompson, HSI, and the SEVEN DEADLY LIES, and has anyone, for the love of god, put out a good refutation of the quackery?

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Old 23rd October 2010, 02:33 PM   #2
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Never heard of her, but I found her main web page:

http://hsionline.com/

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About Jenny Thompson
http://hsionline.com/about-jenny-thompson/

Looks like she's selling all sorts of things.

I listened for 20 seconds--no bleeding, but my brain started to hurt.
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Lie#1: Chemo and Radiation are your best hope.
The talk then goes on to claim that there is a new cure that starts to work in 24 hours, called AGS (Sapogenin). Of course, they talk of anecdotal reports, etc...apparently this cure "even beat the new SUPERCANCERS!". It tells of chemo creating supercancers that do not respond to conventional treatments at all. Apparently it has ZERO side effects as well (AGS).
James Randi had something to say about this.

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Dear god she is full blown Woo. It makes me angry that snake oil salespeople like her are swindling people out of not only their hard earned cash, but in some cases swindling them out of years of their lives.

SoT:

Somehow I knew Randi would approach Chemo as he did. I am glad to hear he is pulling through.

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your point being, i presume, that one should blindly accept everything uttered by anyone with an m.d. after their name? (if doctors themselves did so, my wife may have had years more of life)
what makes that even harder is your pronouncement of these ideas as 'quackery' with the (admitted) non-existence of refutation. if this is what passes for science these days, i may never go to a doctor again.
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your point being, i presume, that one should blindly accept everything uttered by anyone with an m.d. after their name? (if doctors themselves did so, my wife may have had years more of life)
what makes that even harder is your pronouncement of these ideas as 'quackery' with the (admitted) non-existence of refutation. if this is what passes for science these days, i may never go to a doctor again.
You might have a point, but you are picking the wrong thread to make it. Jenny Thompson is an evil person.
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Originally Posted by setep View Post
your point being, i presume, that one should blindly accept everything uttered by anyone with an m.d. after their name? (if doctors themselves did so, my wife may have had years more of life)
what makes that even harder is your pronouncement of these ideas as 'quackery' with the (admitted) non-existence of refutation. if this is what passes for science these days, i may never go to a doctor again.
Doctors go medical school for a reason. So, yeah, I do tend to think they know what they are talking about. A lot more so than I would know.

So what's your story? What happened with your wife and why do you now hate doctors?
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Originally Posted by setep View Post
your point being, i presume, that one should blindly accept everything uttered by anyone with an m.d. after their name? (if doctors themselves did so, my wife may have had years more of life)
what makes that even harder is your pronouncement of these ideas as 'quackery' with the (admitted) non-existence of refutation. if this is what passes for science these days, i may never go to a doctor again.
one can always go to a second doctor and get a second oppinion. But still one should prefer real doctors. Geting the oppinion of someone not qualified in the field is risky for your health.
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Originally Posted by setep View Post
your point being, i presume, that one should blindly accept everything uttered by anyone with an m.d. after their name? (if doctors themselves did so, my wife may have had years more of life)
what makes that even harder is your pronouncement of these ideas as 'quackery' with the (admitted) non-existence of refutation. if this is what passes for science these days, i may never go to a doctor again.
I agree you should be skeptical of doctors. On the other hand, shouldn't I then be even more skeptical of that lady? How is it that one voice should overwhelm a whole field of study?

If I do not like what my doctor has to say, I think I might go and ask another expert for their opinion and compare the two. The second expert should probably be schooled in medicine as much as the first. So, I think the degree M.D. is a good guideline. After all, I don't have the expertise myself, do I?

In fact, I should be skeptical of my own opinion most of all. I am likely to want a cure that is easy, painless and without side effects. I have to be very wary of my own fantasies in this regard.
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your point being, i presume, that one should blindly accept everything uttered by anyone with an m.d. after their name? (if doctors themselves did so, my wife may have had years more of life)
I'm sorry for your loss. Welcome to the forum.

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what makes that even harder is your pronouncement of these ideas as 'quackery' with the (admitted) non-existence of refutation. if this is what passes for science these days, i may never go to a doctor again.
I believe most members here rely on both science based and evidence based medicine.

Have you seen the site linked to in the OP? Have you read any of the details?

Here's one claim from an e-mail from the site:

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The surprising benefits of lemon!

Institute of Health Sciences, 819 N. L.L.C. Charles Street Baltimore , MD 1201.
This is the latest in medicine, effective for cancer!
Read carefully & you be the judge.
Lemon (Citrus) is a miraculous product to kill cancer cells. It is 10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy.
Here's a skeptical view on the e-mail:

http://sciblogs.co.nz/skepticon/2011...-miracle-cure/
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your point being, i presume, that one should blindly accept everything uttered by anyone with an m.d. after their name? (if doctors themselves did so, my wife may have had years more of life)
what makes that even harder is your pronouncement of these ideas as 'quackery' with the (admitted) non-existence of refutation. if this is what passes for science these days, i may never go to a doctor again.
Um, I don't really see anyone saying that in this thread.

Anecdotal ebidence is not significant evidence, due to the lack of controls, and no where has anyone said you should blindly accept medical advice.
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your point being, i presume, that one should blindly accept everything uttered by anyone with an m.d. after their name?
No, that's probably the dumbest thing you could do. Who suggested this?
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"Blindly accepting" is exactly the opposite of what medical research does and is about.


"Blindly accepting" is what this quack hawking this book relies on to get people to buy.
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You might have a point, but you are picking the wrong thread to make it. Jenny Thompson is an evil person.
hmmm. that's interesting. i had not heard that before. i would be interested to see your data.

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Doctors go medical school for a reason. So, yeah, I do tend to think they know what they are talking about. A lot more so than I would know.
granted (as a generality): knowledge is better than its lack, and education on a subject should lead to greater knowledge. that said, the existence of specialities in medicine seems (to me) to be indicative that one person cannot absorb all pertinent knowledge. sadly, as outsiders, we are ill-prepared to determine whether a pronouncement is fact-(/education)based or based on ego. (or a mis-remembered line in a textbook,....) ego gets my first vote normally, as doctors often twist an earned pride in accumulated knowledge into an outrageous arrogance based on an unearned belief in their superior wisdom. ego will often result in definitive statements on subjects upon which the speaker is unqualified to speak.

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So what's your story? What happened with your wife and why do you now hate doctors?
hate is a bit strong - more accurately, the contempt one feels for an entity which demands a respect that they refuse to reciprocate. my (experience-based) reasons are legion, but for the purposes of this discussion can be limited to instances of doctors dis-respecting the findings of fellow doctors, to the detriment of the patient. for myself, it involves multiple instances (ok, 2) of discounting another doctor's reading of an mri in a situation where eventually surgery was required, proving the accuracy of the referring doctor's reading. frustrating and painful, but basically, no harm, no foul.

my wife was not nearly so fortunate. she went to a walk-in clinic regarding respiratory problems. the doctor (a gp, i guess?) sent her for x-rays. the results worried him and he referred my wife to a specialist for follow-up. the specialist glanced at the x-ray and completely discounted the gp's interpretation, arrogantly assured of his superior talents. in frustration, she ceased even mentioning lung problems until about a year later when she walked into the room and said 'i think you better call 911' and passed out. she actually died on the way to the hospital and was revived by the emts. what followed was 6 weeks in intensive care (diagnosed at that time with copd), then other hospital care and then months in a nursing home. thankfully, she did eventually get to come home for the last months of her life, but her quality of life was deplorable. she was constantly attached to a source of oxygen and required a wheelchair. i had to watch this once strong, vibrant woman waste away to nothing, until she eventually died in my arms.
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my wife was not nearly so fortunate. she went to a walk-in clinic regarding respiratory problems. the doctor (a gp, i guess?) sent her for x-rays. the results worried him and he referred my wife to a specialist for follow-up. the specialist glanced at the x-ray and completely discounted the gp's interpretation, arrogantly assured of his superior talents. in frustration, she ceased even mentioning lung problems until about a year later when she walked into the room and said 'i think you better call 911' and passed out. she actually died on the way to the hospital and was revived by the emts. what followed was 6 weeks in intensive care (diagnosed at that time with copd), then other hospital care and then months in a nursing home. thankfully, she did eventually get to come home for the last months of her life, but her quality of life was deplorable. she was constantly attached to a source of oxygen and required a wheelchair. i had to watch this once strong, vibrant woman waste away to nothing, until she eventually died in my arms.
This is an unfortunate story, but you didn't seek a second opinion and just ignored the problem until it got worse? That doesn't make any sense.
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I realise this isn't anywhere near as serious, but I became ill at the end of July last year. After a few weeks of antibiotics and blood tests, one doctor told me the test results were clear, to go away and it should clear up. When I wasn't better a couple of weeks later, I booked an appointment with another doctor and was eventually diagnosed with post-viral fatigue syndrome. So, I can understand being angry at a doctor that dismisses your problems, but I can't understand going from that to "I will ignore my illness until it overwhelms me and then hate all doctors."
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This is an unfortunate story, but you didn't seek a second opinion? That doesn't make any sense.
yes, thank you for reminding me of my complicity in my wife's death. there can, of course, be no excuse, and i will live with that for however long i am cursed to remain here. however, you do over-estimate the opportunities available to the indigent and un-insured.
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yes, thank you for reminding me of my complicity in my wife's death. there can, of course, be no excuse, and i will live with that for however long i am cursed to remain here.
If you do not feel comfortable about the subject, then you should not bring it up for discussion with others. While we can empathize with your loss, we do not share your emotional attachment to it.

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No, I do not, but the lack of available health care for the indigent and uninsured is a completely separate argument from the one you are using to hate doctors.
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I realise this isn't anywhere near as serious, but I became ill at the end of July last year. After a few weeks of antibiotics and blood tests, one doctor told me the test results were clear, to go away and it should clear up. When I wasn't better a couple of weeks later, I booked an appointment with another doctor and was eventually diagnosed with post-viral fatigue syndrome. So, I can understand being angry at a doctor that dismisses your problems, but I can't understand going from that to "I will ignore my illness until it overwhelms me and then hate all doctors."
nor can i. as fate would have it, i have not faced a necessity of inter-acting with a doctor for several years, so i don't really know how i would respond to a major illness.

just in passing: although i recognize and appreciate the literary trope, i would like to point out that 'hate' and 'all' are unsupportable in that context.
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If you do not feel comfortable about the subject, then you should not bring it up for discussion with others. While we can empathize with your loss, we do not share your emotional attachment to it.
i do apologize - my response to that was arbitrarily snippy and uncalled-for. but i disagree with the concept that one should avoid discussions on subjects about which they are uncomfortable. sometimes progress involves some discomfort.


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the lack of available health care for the indigent and uninsured is a completely separate argument from the one you are using to hate doctors.
i agree it seems tangential, but it was a response to a question regarding seeking a second opinion. also, in passing, how about we all agree that whenever it is stated that i hate doctors, i question the accuracy of the term.

ps - to all involved in this thread - i truly appreciate the expenditures of time and thought on a subject about which you do not share my emotional attachment. thank you
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i may never go to a doctor again.
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Originally Posted by setep View Post
hmmm. that's interesting. i had not heard that before. i would be interested to see your data.



granted (as a generality): knowledge is better than its lack, and education on a subject should lead to greater knowledge. that said, the existence of specialities in medicine seems (to me) to be indicative that one person cannot absorb all pertinent knowledge. sadly, as outsiders, we are ill-prepared to determine whether a pronouncement is fact-(/education)based or based on ego. (or a mis-remembered line in a textbook,....) ego gets my first vote normally, as doctors often twist an earned pride in accumulated knowledge into an outrageous arrogance based on an unearned belief in their superior wisdom. ego will often result in definitive statements on subjects upon which the speaker is unqualified to speak.



hate is a bit strong - more accurately, the contempt one feels for an entity which demands a respect that they refuse to reciprocate. my (experience-based) reasons are legion, but for the purposes of this discussion can be limited to instances of doctors dis-respecting the findings of fellow doctors, to the detriment of the patient. for myself, it involves multiple instances (ok, 2) of discounting another doctor's reading of an mri in a situation where eventually surgery was required, proving the accuracy of the referring doctor's reading. frustrating and painful, but basically, no harm, no foul.

my wife was not nearly so fortunate. she went to a walk-in clinic regarding respiratory problems. the doctor (a gp, i guess?) sent her for x-rays. the results worried him and he referred my wife to a specialist for follow-up. the specialist glanced at the x-ray and completely discounted the gp's interpretation, arrogantly assured of his superior talents. in frustration, she ceased even mentioning lung problems until about a year later when she walked into the room and said 'i think you better call 911' and passed out. she actually died on the way to the hospital and was revived by the emts. what followed was 6 weeks in intensive care (diagnosed at that time with copd), then other hospital care and then months in a nursing home. thankfully, she did eventually get to come home for the last months of her life, but her quality of life was deplorable. she was constantly attached to a source of oxygen and required a wheelchair. i had to watch this once strong, vibrant woman waste away to nothing, until she eventually died in my arms.
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A very sad story, and one I can unfortunately attest does happen more often than one would like, but how does it justify

1. dismissing and doubting the integrity of the whole medical profession

2. giving any credence to charlatans like the one referred to in the OP ?
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Jenny Thompson is an evil person.
So evil her video doesn't have a scroll bar. I have to listen to all her garbage to get all the points?
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A very sad story, and one I can unfortunately attest does happen more often than one would like, but how does it justify

1. dismissing and doubting the integrity of the whole medical profession

2. giving any credence to charlatans like the one referred to in the OP ?
1. it's not that i doubt their integrity so much as their intelligence, dedication and training. and i disagree that it applies to the whole profession, although i admit that i do approach any initial contact with a doctor with some trepidation. i have (all too rarely) come across doctors who are more concerned with the welfare of their patients than with the quality of their insurance. (and their own perceived need for adulation)

2. charlatan...hmm. how is it that you justify dismissing and doubting the integrity of the entire human race outside the medical profession? all i hear is that their evidence is anecdotal, a claim i find to be not universally applicable. and which is countered with nothing but name-calling. if there is evidence that they are wrong, show me. and anything that simply boils down to 'doctors don't believe it' is fatally flawed at the outset. doctors represent (and prop up) a medical system which has released many drugs without proper testing, resulting in thousands of unnecessary deaths as well as other health problems. i imagine the evidence for the safety of thalidomide in pregnant women would now be considered anecdotal? or is it the reports of major birth defects that are to be doubted instead?

sorry, no personal dis-respect intended.
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So evil her video doesn't have a scroll bar. I have to listen to all her garbage to get all the points?
point taken, but that hardly rises to the level of osama
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my wife was not nearly so fortunate. she went to a walk-in clinic regarding respiratory problems. the doctor (a gp, i guess?) sent her for x-rays. the results worried him and he referred my wife to a specialist for follow-up. the specialist glanced at the x-ray and completely discounted the gp's interpretation, arrogantly assured of his superior talents. in frustration, she ceased even mentioning lung problems until about a year later when she walked into the room and said 'i think you better call 911' and passed out. she actually died on the way to the hospital and was revived by the emts. what followed was 6 weeks in intensive care (diagnosed at that time with copd), then other hospital care and then months in a nursing home. thankfully, she did eventually get to come home for the last months of her life, but her quality of life was deplorable. she was constantly attached to a source of oxygen and required a wheelchair. i had to watch this once strong, vibrant woman waste away to nothing, until she eventually died in my arms.
Again, I am sorry for your loss. But it's hard to interpret this story. What's missing is what was seen by the GP on the X-Rays, and what was seen by the specialist at the time. A lot can happen in a year.

I have had my concerns dismissed by specialists in the past. If they did not treat me with respect or address my concerns, I found another Doc who did. In one instance, it took 3 tries.
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Old 31st May 2011, 07:50 AM   #28
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Originally Posted by setep View Post
2. charlatan...hmm. how is it that you justify dismissing and doubting the integrity of the entire human race outside the medical profession? all i hear is that their evidence is anecdotal, a claim i find to be not universally applicable. and which is countered with nothing but name-calling.
Excuse me, you show me the controlled studies thata re accurate and have good procedures and then we cabn discuss what anecdotal is, otherwise it is anecdotal.

Right now there are still fools that want to say vaccines cause autism, they do not, but none the less the anecdotes persist.

Your issues with doctors sound justified, but tha does not excuse your dismissal of what people say in this thread, when people have a good sound studies and large data sets then they have an effect. Until then they are peddling snake oil, if they claim a cure.
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Old 31st May 2011, 07:50 AM   #29
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this seems to be more a case of one specialist screwing up and this being taken as the mold in which all doctors operate.

I've had doctors screw up in things that related to me and my family, too. When my wife walked into a doctor's office and told him she had kidney stones, he gave her a pregnancy test and sent her home. As a result of not being seen quickly enough, she nearly lost a kidney and had to spend a month with a nephroscopy tube in her back.

That doctor was an idiot, but that doesn't follow that all doctors are idiots.

And even if it did it wouldn't give any more credence to a person who thinks that lemon juice is more powerful than chemotherapy.
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Old 31st May 2011, 07:51 AM   #30
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1. it's not that i doubt their integrity so much as their intelligence, dedication and training. and i disagree that it applies to the whole profession, although i admit that i do approach any initial contact with a doctor with some trepidation. i have (all too rarely) come across doctors who are more concerned with the welfare of their patients than with the quality of their insurance. (and their own perceived need for adulation)

O-kay ... let me get this clear: in your opinion, doctors, except a very small minority, are stupid, unmotivated, undereducated, greedy and vain, but that doesn't mean you doubt their integrity.


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2. charlatan...hmm. how is it that you justify dismissing and doubting the integrity of the entire human race outside the medical profession? all i hear is that their evidence is anecdotal, a claim i find to be not universally applicable. and which is countered with nothing but name-calling. if there is evidence that they are wrong, show me. and anything that simply boils down to 'doctors don't believe it' is fatally flawed at the outset
I'm merely doubting the integrity of a particular subset of the human race, namely people who spout obvious nonsense (as compared to actual and verifiable scientific and medical knowledge) in order to make a buck out of the ignorance, and sometimes credulity, of a vulnerable public. The burden of proof is on them, however, rather than showing actual and verifiable evidence, they always resort to non-answers like:

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. doctors represent (and prop up) a medical system which has released many drugs without proper testing, resulting in thousands of unnecessary deaths as well as other health problems. i imagine the evidence for the safety of thalidomide in pregnant women would now be considered anecdotal? or is it the reports of major birth defects that are to be doubted instead?

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sorry, no personal dis-respect intended.
Usually a lame preventive excuse for actually disrespecting one's opponent, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and answer "none taken".

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2. charlatan...hmm. how is it that you justify dismissing and doubting the integrity of the entire human race outside the medical profession?
Jenny Thompson is not the entire human race. She is a single person who is very clearly a charlatan. She is also the person this thread is about. If you just want to rant about how terrible all doctors are, this is not the place for it and I recommend starting your own thread.
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Old 31st May 2011, 08:16 AM   #32
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Again, I am sorry for your loss. But it's hard to interpret this story. What's missing is what was seen by the GP on the X-Rays, and what was seen by the specialist at the time. A lot can happen in a year.
yeah, i seem to be having trouble communicating. i am not a doctor and, as such, am not qualified to interpret the film myself. but the gp was worried about the possibility of incipient copd. he showed me the film and i could see what it was to which he was referring, although, of course, i couldn't interpret it. the specialist saw the same film. and, coincidentally, a year later (the time is a blatant approximation, could have more or, more likely, less) my Hon is dying of copd. it's hard for me to picture such a disease growing from inception to idlh in such a short time.

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I have had my concerns dismissed by specialists in the past. If they did not treat me with respect or address my concerns, I found another Doc who did. In one instance, it took 3 tries.
yes, well, again, i'm not trying to sidestep my responsibility in the whole mess (as the medicos ARE). in retrospect, of course i should have pursued another opinion, and another, and another, as long as i could continue to find doctors willing to work on credit. but the cost was only one factor. i actually trusted the bastard, much to my eternal shame.

as for your situation, i'm glad it worked out for you. i would certainly never denigrate affluence. i think everyone should try it.
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Old 31st May 2011, 08:31 AM   #33
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Originally Posted by Cuddles View Post
Jenny Thompson is not the entire human race. She is a single person who is very clearly a charlatan. She is also the person this thread is about. If you just want to rant about how terrible all doctors are, this is not the place for it and I recommend starting your own thread.
cute how you did that. you must be a doctor yourself. you think she's a charlatan and so, clearly she is. still no need to provide any evidence since your exalted opinion is proof positive.

i am well aware of the subject of this thread. i have endeavored to stay on topic, only making comments in response to comments i've received. and your repeated insistence on accusing me of saying (i believe ranting was the term?) that all doctors are terrible calls everything you say into question. if you followed ms thompson's reasoning with the same diligence you used to follow mine, well, all i can say is that you sir/madam are clearly an ass. and i was a fool to think i could find rational discourse here.
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yeah, i seem to be having trouble communicating. i am not a doctor and, as such, am not qualified to interpret the film myself. but the gp was worried about the possibility of incipient copd. he showed me the film and i could see what it was to which he was referring, although, of course, i couldn't interpret it. the specialist saw the same film. and, coincidentally, a year later (the time is a blatant approximation, could have more or, more likely, less) my Hon is dying of copd. it's hard for me to picture such a disease growing from inception to idlh in such a short time.
I certainly can't address your case directly, and COPD generally progresses slowly. Without direct unbiased facts, it would be futile to speculate what may have transpired.

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yes, well, again, i'm not trying to sidestep my responsibility in the whole mess (as the medicos ARE). in retrospect, of course i should have pursued another opinion, and another, and another, as long as i could continue to find doctors willing to work on credit. but the cost was only one factor. i actually trusted the bastard, much to my eternal shame.

as for your situation, i'm glad it worked out for you. i would certainly never denigrate affluence. i think everyone should try it.
I apologize if my post appeared to be judgmental--it was not meant to be.

I am not affluent, by any definable terms. I do have health insurance, but there were times in my life when I did not. There have been many times when I have made financial sacrifices to get the care I wanted from the health care system. Even when I did not have insurance.

Have I ever misplaced my trust in an MD? Yep. But I am older and wiser now, and a more educated consumer of health care. Again, I am not passing judgement on you and your circumstances, or any decisions you have made/or currently make. I sometimes don't express myself clearly in my posts--I am always happy to clarify them. Please try not to infer things from my posts that aren't meant to be conveyed.

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cute how you did that. you must be a doctor yourself. you think she's a charlatan and so, clearly she is. still no need to provide any evidence since your exalted opinion is proof positive.
wow, you managed to prejudge someone and use that prejudice as proof, in a paragraph in which you decried them for thinking their opinion was proof. That's quite something.
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Well after dissing the medical profession throughout her site she does have this handy little disclaimer at the end...

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wow, you managed to prejudge someone and use that prejudice as proof, in a paragraph in which you decried them for thinking their opinion was proof. That's quite something.
if my post was prejudgement (which, of course, it was not - ask your kids if you can't understand) then yours would be doubly so. why don't you call me a crackpot? that seems to be the limits of the logic arrayed against me.

i pity you, but that doesn't require me to continue to play your games. i started this out in an effort to learn why ms thompson was a quack. after a page of give-and-take it boils down to 'no reason'

goodbye y'all
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i started this out in an effort to learn why ms thompson was a quack. after a page of give-and-take it boils down to 'no reason'
goodbye y'all
It's your prerogative to stay or leave, of course. But I showed evidence disputing one of her claims in post #11.

I am not an expert, and her web page is difficult to navigate without watching videos or paying money.

But I, for one, will be happy to research and produce science based links to counter anything on her site, if I am able to.
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cute how you did that. you must be a doctor yourself. you think she's a charlatan and so, clearly she is. still no need to provide any evidence since your exalted opinion is proof positive.
I've been wondering about this. I will admit that it was the "magnetic napkins" thread that seemed the best example...but at what point are we obliged to refute nonsense? Surely there is some point at which obviously wrong stuff is obvious?

I suppose one soon learns that there isn't anything that is too dumb for someone to take seriously, but I really want to hope otherwise.

I've started asking people, "given that there's all sorts of people out there spouting nonsense as well as those offering good information, what is it about this person which leads you to take her seriously?" (or variations thereof like "who told you that and why did you believe them?). I will agree that "because they have an MD after their name" wouldn't be a sufficient reason either (I am a MD).

Anyway, I doubt that T.A.M. (who is also a MD) thought that he didn't need to provide evidence. This is familiar ground here and he probably didn't see the need to re-iterate that which has been covered many times before, unless someone new came along. Except I don't think he's been around here lately.

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if my post was prejudgement (which, of course, it was not - ask your kids if you can't understand) then yours would be doubly so. why don't you call me a crackpot? that seems to be the limits of the logic arrayed against me.
"you must be a doctor yourself" is prejudgment.

At what point and in what regard did I prejudge anyone or anything?
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