Prince Charles cops a serve over alternative therapies

reprise · 8th July 2004, 10:30 PM

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The Prince of Wales was accused today of overstepping the mark in his support for alternative therapies to treat cancer patients.

In an open letter to the prince, leading British breast cancer expert Professor Michael Baum begged him to exercise "extreme caution" when promoting "unproven therapies".

The Prince of Wales has long been a supporter of complementary medicine.

Baum voiced concern after reading about the prince's support for coffee enemas and carrot juice for treating cancer.

Prince told to back off over cancer 'cures'

It's about time, too.

athon · 9th July 2004, 03:11 AM

I can see the movie now..."The Madness of Prince Charles".

They cure his ills with pseudoscience, like cupping, blistering, and homeopathy, and he slowly goes insane...

Hmm, I think it's all been done before.

Athon

Benguin · 9th July 2004, 03:20 AM

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he slowly goes insane

There's an assumption about him in there I'd like to challenge ... !

Doc Dish · 9th July 2004, 03:50 AM

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Baum told the prince: "Your power and authority rests on an accident of birth.

Good point

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I don't begrudge you that authority...

I do

This is the sort of thing we should be hearing from the scientific community on so-called CAM.

Has anyone seen this story in the UK media? Google news finds 3 hits for this story in the UK; a local news site in Berkshire, Reuters AlertNet and Medical News Today. Why isn't this on the BBC or ITN?

davidhorman · 9th July 2004, 04:18 AM

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Why isn't this on the BBC or ITN?

It's top story on ITN, going out as I type.

Prince Charles has been quoted as saying that he's never recommended using alternative therapy instead of conventional medicine.

Here's the story on the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3876431.stm

I can't find the story on the ITN website because they've managed to forbid access to their ITV news

Good work Professor Baum!

David

tamiO · 9th July 2004, 04:39 AM

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Originally posted by Doc Dish

Good point

I do

This is the sort of thing we should be hearing from the scientific community on so-called CAM.

Has anyone seen this story in the UK media? Google news finds 3 hits for this story in the UK; a local news site in Berkshire, Reuters AlertNet and Medical News Today. Why isn't this on the BBC or ITN?

Please, what is CAM? Thank you.

nm. I realised you are not Google. A quick search tells me it means Complementary and Alternative Medicine.

Lothian · 9th July 2004, 04:46 AM

The bad science view of royalty, medicine and keeping noses out. .

Doc Dish · 9th July 2004, 04:59 AM

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Originally posted by tamiO

Please, what is CAM? Thank you.

nm. I realised you are not Google. A quick search tells me it means Complementary and Alternative Medicine.

Sorry, mea culpa, I shouldn't have assumed that everyone would know what the acronym meant. I will sit in the corner and reflect on what happens when one ASS_U_MEs something

Benguin · 9th July 2004, 05:03 AM

I notice in his response the jug-eared simpleton completely missed the surgeon's carefully worded distinction between complementary and alternative medicine.

Doc Dish · 9th July 2004, 05:06 AM

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Originally posted by Lothian
The bad science view of royalty, medicine and keeping noses out. .

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in two years San Diego county hospitals treated 13 patients with campylobacter sepsis from the Gerson clinic, probably due to the raw calves' liver injections

Please tell me this is a joke?!

tamiO · 9th July 2004, 05:47 AM

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Originally posted by Doc Dish

Sorry, mea culpa, I shouldn't have assumed that everyone would know what the acronym meant. I will sit in the corner and reflect on what happens when one ASS_U_MEs something

I had the "alternative medicine" part. I was guessing at what the C was and could only come up with "crazy."

I bet I am one of the very few, if not the only, one who didn't know the acronym.

Deetee · 9th July 2004, 06:03 AM

Good snippets:
from the Prof: "It is in the nature of your world to be surrounded by sycophants who constantly reinforce what they assume are your prejudices."

At the risk of becoming one of the sycophants surrounding the Prof....."Hear, hear!"

From the Prince's spokesperson: "He (the Prince) is simply reflecting the wishes of 80% of cancer patients who wish to use alternative treatments alongside conventional treatments."

Duh! And the difference between complementary and alternative.......? This dork has no idea.

Doc Dish · 9th July 2004, 06:26 AM

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Originally posted by tamiO
I had the "alternative medicine" part. I was guessing at what the C was and could only come up with "crazy."

For ages I thought that 'Complementary Medicine' was when the Doctor came to your bedside and said "Nice pyjamas!"

Seriously though, Prince Charles is one big 'Appeal to authority' fallacy. Whether he's talking about Architecture, Botany or Medicine his only qualification is that his great-to-the-nth-degree grandfather was a bigger murderer than mine!

About the only thing he does prove is that inbreeding is a bad thing.

Rolfe · 9th July 2004, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by tamiO

I had the "alternative medicine" part. I was guessing at what the C was and could only come up with "crazy."

I bet I am one of the very few, if not the only, one who didn't know the acronym.

Mmm, I'm with the school of thought that would like to promote the usage of "Supplementary, Complementary and Alternative Medicine".

Work out the acronym for yourselves....

Rolfe.

Doc Dish · 9th July 2004, 07:20 AM

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Originally posted by Rolfe
Mmm, I'm with the school of thought that would like to promote the usage of "Supplementary, Complementary and Alternative Medicine".

Work out the acronym for yourselves....

Rolfe.

Surely that's "Supplementary, Complementary and Unproven Medicine"?

Tom Morris · 10th July 2004, 06:05 AM

On Dr Barrett's (quackwatch) healthfraud mailing list, we prefer the acronym 'SCAM' (So-Called Alternative Medicine).

8th July 2004, 10:30 PM	#1
reprise Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,859	Prince Charles cops a serve over alternative therapies Quote: The Prince of Wales was accused today of overstepping the mark in his support for alternative therapies to treat cancer patients. In an open letter to the prince, leading British breast cancer expert Professor Michael Baum begged him to exercise "extreme caution" when promoting "unproven therapies". The Prince of Wales has long been a supporter of complementary medicine. Baum voiced concern after reading about the prince's support for coffee enemas and carrot juice for treating cancer. Prince told to back off over cancer 'cures' It's about time, too.
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9th July 2004, 03:20 AM	#3
Benguin Too Chilled For The Anti-Homeopathy Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,902	Quote: he slowly goes insane There's an assumption about him in there I'd like to challenge ... !
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9th July 2004, 03:50 AM	#4
Doc Dish Scholar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 92	Quote: Baum told the prince: "Your power and authority rests on an accident of birth. Good point Quote: I don't begrudge you that authority... I do This is the sort of thing we should be hearing from the scientific community on so-called CAM. Has anyone seen this story in the UK media? Google news finds 3 hits for this story in the UK; a local news site in Berkshire, Reuters AlertNet and Medical News Today. Why isn't this on the BBC or ITN?
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9th July 2004, 04:18 AM	#5
davidhorman Muse Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 984	Quote: Why isn't this on the BBC or ITN? It's top story on ITN, going out as I type. Prince Charles has been quoted as saying that he's never recommended using alternative therapy instead of conventional medicine. Here's the story on the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3876431.stm I can't find the story on the ITN website because they've managed to forbid access to their ITV news Good work Professor Baum! David
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9th July 2004, 04:39 AM	#6
tamiO Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,287	Quote: Originally posted by Doc Dish Good point I do This is the sort of thing we should be hearing from the scientific community on so-called CAM. Has anyone seen this story in the UK media? Google news finds 3 hits for this story in the UK; a local news site in Berkshire, Reuters AlertNet and Medical News Today. Why isn't this on the BBC or ITN? Please, what is CAM? Thank you. nm. I realised you are not Google. A quick search tells me it means Complementary and Alternative Medicine.
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9th July 2004, 03:11 AM	#2
athon Kowalski Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: gone Posts: 9,286	I can see the movie now..."The Madness of Prince Charles". They cure his ills with pseudoscience, like cupping, blistering, and homeopathy, and he slowly goes insane... Hmm, I think it's all been done before. Athon

9th July 2004, 04:46 AM	#7
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9th July 2004, 04:59 AM	#8
Doc Dish Scholar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 92	Quote: Originally posted by tamiO Please, what is CAM? Thank you. nm. I realised you are not Google. A quick search tells me it means Complementary and Alternative Medicine. Sorry, mea culpa, I shouldn't have assumed that everyone would know what the acronym meant. I will sit in the corner and reflect on what happens when one ASS_U_MEs something
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9th July 2004, 05:03 AM	#9
Benguin Too Chilled For The Anti-Homeopathy Illuminati Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,902	I notice in his response the jug-eared simpleton completely missed the surgeon's carefully worded distinction between complementary and alternative medicine.
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9th July 2004, 05:06 AM	#10
Doc Dish Scholar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 92	Quote: Originally posted by Lothian The bad science view of royalty, medicine and keeping noses out. . Quote: in two years San Diego county hospitals treated 13 patients with campylobacter sepsis from the Gerson clinic, probably due to the raw calves' liver injections Please tell me this is a joke?!
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9th July 2004, 05:47 AM	#11
tamiO Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,287	Quote: Originally posted by Doc Dish *Sorry, mea culpa, I shouldn't have assumed that everyone would know what the acronym meant. I will sit in the corner and reflect on what happens when one ASS_U_MEs something* I had the "alternative medicine" part. I was guessing at what the C was and could only come up with "crazy." I bet I am one of the very few, if not the only, one who didn't know the acronym.
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9th July 2004, 06:03 AM	#12
Deetee Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,790	Good snippets: from the Prof: "It is in the nature of your world to be surrounded by sycophants who constantly reinforce what they assume are your prejudices." At the risk of becoming one of the sycophants surrounding the Prof....."Hear, hear!" From the Prince's spokesperson: "He (the Prince) is simply reflecting the wishes of 80% of cancer patients who wish to use alternative treatments alongside conventional treatments." Duh! And the difference between complementary and alternative.......? This dork has no idea.
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9th July 2004, 06:26 AM	#13
Doc Dish Scholar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 92	Quote: Originally posted by tamiO I had the "alternative medicine" part. I was guessing at what the C was and could only come up with "crazy." For ages I thought that 'Complementary Medicine' was when the Doctor came to your bedside and said "Nice pyjamas!" Seriously though, Prince Charles is one big 'Appeal to authority' fallacy. Whether he's talking about Architecture, Botany or Medicine his only qualification is that his great-to-the-nth-degree grandfather was a bigger murderer than mine! About the only thing he does prove is that inbreeding is a bad thing.
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9th July 2004, 07:14 AM	#14
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,327	Quote: Originally posted by tamiO I had the "alternative medicine" part. I was guessing at what the C was and could only come up with "crazy." I bet I am one of the very few, if not the only, one who didn't know the acronym. Mmm, I'm with the school of thought that would like to promote the usage of "Supplementary, Complementary and Alternative Medicine". Work out the acronym for yourselves.... Rolfe.
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9th July 2004, 07:20 AM	#15
Doc Dish Scholar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 92	Quote: Originally posted by Rolfe Mmm, I'm with the school of thought that would like to promote the usage of "Supplementary, Complementary and Alternative Medicine". Work out the acronym for yourselves.... Rolfe. Surely that's "Supplementary, Complementary and Unproven Medicine"?
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10th July 2004, 06:05 AM	#16
Tom Morris Thinker Join Date: May 2004 Location: UK Posts: 162	On Dr Barrett's (quackwatch) healthfraud mailing list, we prefer the acronym 'SCAM' (So-Called Alternative Medicine).