Naked Archaeologist finds a couple of old nails...

steve s · 12th April 2011, 04:44 PM

...so naturally they were the nails used to crucify Jesus.

Everybody's favorite cherry-picker is at it again.

Quote:

"I can't say 100 percent that these are THE nails used in the crucifixion, but I connected the dots, and it's certainly possible."

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/12/di...sed-to-crucif/

Of course, the nails couldn't possibly belong to any of the thousands of other people that the Romans crucified. Oy.

Steve S

Gawdzilla · 12th April 2011, 04:50 PM

I can get you a gross of the nails used to crucify our savior for the low price of $12.95/dz.

Sledge · 12th April 2011, 04:52 PM

Did they actually nail people to crosses? I remember reading (many years ago) in one of those "everything you think you know is wrong" books that nails weren't used in crucifixtions in the holy land. Tying people to the cross works just as well, and doesn't ruin the timber which was scarce in the area.

At least that's the story.

PAC · 12th April 2011, 04:58 PM

From Wikipedia

The Naked Archaeologist is a television show produced for VisionTV in Canada and History International in the US that is hosted and prepared by the Emmy Award–winning journalist Simcha Jacobovici. The show ultimately reviews Biblical stories, then tries to find proof for them by exploring the Holy Land looking for archaeological evidence, personal inferences, deductions, and interviews with scholars and experts.

Interesting description as it indicates the answer precedes the investigation.

steve s · 12th April 2011, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by PAC

Interesting description as it indicates the answer precedes the investigation.

Hence the "Everybody's favorite cherry-picker" in my OP.

Steve S

MG1962 · 12th April 2011, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by steve s

...so naturally they were the nails used to crucify Jesus.

Everybody's favorite cherry-picker is at it again.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/12/di...sed-to-crucif/

Of course, the nails couldn't possibly belong to any of the thousands of other people that the Romans crucified. Oy.

Steve S

The nail he is holding does not look big enough - but if he has found two nails that could be used to crucify people then that means we now have a total of three such examples. So forgetting the Jesus connection, they are a wonderful addition to our body of knowledge

Mister Earl · 12th April 2011, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

The nail he is holding does not look big enough - but if he has found two nails that could be used to crucify people then that means we now have a total of three such examples. So forgetting the Jesus connection, they are a wonderful addition to our body of knowledge

Yes, we have evidence that old nails can be found and that they can corrode.

That's about it.

Mel Odious · 12th April 2011, 09:32 PM

Just did a bit of research on this. The only conclusion I can reach is that when they crucified Jesus they used a bucketful of nails:

Originally Posted by Catholic Encyclopedia

Very little reliance can be placed upon the authenticity of the thirty or more holy nails which are still venerated, or which have been venerated until recent times, in such treasuries as that of Santa Croce in Rome, or those of Venice, Aachen, the Escurial, Nuremberg, Prague, etc. Probably the majority began by professing to be facsimiles which had touched or contained filings from some other nail whose claim was more ancient. Without conscious fraud on the part of anyone, it is very easy for imitations in this way to come in a very brief space of time to be reputed originals.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Cathol...13)/Holy_Nails

HansMustermann · 13th April 2011, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by Sledge

Did they actually nail people to crosses? I remember reading (many years ago) in one of those "everything you think you know is wrong" books that nails weren't used in crucifixtions in the holy land. Tying people to the cross works just as well, and doesn't ruin the timber which was scarce in the area.

At least that's the story.

We have exactly one skeleton of someone who was clearly crucified, and yep, nails were used. Though that's a bit of chicken and egg problem: we probably wouldn't know that he was crucified if there wasn't a bent nail left in the bone. Ultimately probably some were crucified with nails and ropes, some with just ropes.

Aepervius · 13th April 2011, 02:11 AM

Quote:

The Israel Antiquities Authority, which oversaw the Jerusalem excavation, has its doubts. First of all, officials there said, it's never been proven beyond doubt that the tomb was the burial place of Caiaphas. It also said that nails are commonly found in tombs.

"There is no doubt that the talented director Simcha Jacobovici created an interesting film with a real archaeological find at its center, but the interpretation presented in it has no basis in archaeological findings or research," the authority said.

From the article.

Skeptic · 13th April 2011, 02:48 AM

This reminds me of the old joke about the archeologist who dug in an ancient Egyptian tomb and didn't find telegraph wires, thus concluding that the ancient Egyptians already knew about the wireless...

DC · 13th April 2011, 02:55 AM

oh

GrandMasterFox · 13th April 2011, 03:42 AM

To me it reminds the joke of old mr goldschimt, who had paid thousands of dollars for his son's education that turned him into a major guru in advertising.

One day, he asked his son why doesn't he do a comercial for his father's company. The son thought hard and said he got a solution.

The following day, the father goes to work and sees a huge sign showing Jesus nailed to the cross and the title says: "They used Goldschimt Nails!"

The father rushed to the nearest phone and screamed at his son -
"What have you done? We're jews! They'll stone us to death because of this"

The son thinks and then tells the father he'll fix it.

The following day, the father goes to work and sees a huge sign showing Jesus on the floor next to an emptry cross and the title says:
"They didn't use Goldschmit Nails!"

Sledge · 13th April 2011, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by HansMustermann

We have exactly one skeleton of someone who was clearly crucified, and yep, nails were used. Though that's a bit of chicken and egg problem: we probably wouldn't know that he was crucified if there wasn't a bent nail left in the bone. Ultimately probably some were crucified with nails and ropes, some with just ropes.

Yes, I see the problem. I might start a seperate thread on this at some point, because I think it could turn into a derail on this thread.

Skeptic · 13th April 2011, 06:33 AM

Quote:

"There is no doubt that the talented director Simcha Jacobovici created an interesting film with a real archaeological find at its center, but the interpretation presented in it has no basis in archaeological findings or research," the authority said.

Translation from beurocratese: the beautiful and talented Mr. Jcobovici is a total loony.

I Ratant · 13th April 2011, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

This reminds me of the old joke about the archeologist who dug in an ancient Egyptian tomb and didn't find telegraph wires, thus concluding that the ancient Egyptians already knew about the wireless...

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The more modern version has that archeologist a Texan.

poblob14 · 13th April 2011, 09:17 AM

Tell me if I'm summarizing this correctly:

This guy finds two nails at Tel Aviv University. Those nails showed up there, apparently without labeling or other attribution, at about the same time as two nails from a tomb got lost.

The tomb where two nails (that might or might not be these nails) were found is the one with an ossuary marked Caiaphas, who might or might not have been that Caiaphas.

Therefore . . . Jesus? Did I miss a step in there someplace? Is he suggesting that Caiaphas kept the nails as a souvenir or something, and that when he died, somebody tossed the nails into the tomb (one in the ossuary, one on the ground), because . . . .

Was this argument constructed by the Underpants Gnomes?

Philosaur · 13th April 2011, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

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The more modern version has that archeologist a Texan.

Umm. What?

TimCallahan · 13th April 2011, 09:48 AM

Every once in a while the History Channel and History International actually do history. However, whenever they are dealing with religion, it's strictly pandering to believers. They also pander to people who believe in Atlantis, etc. What is particularly galling about The Naked Archaeologist is that he isn't - an archaeologist, that is. Simcha Jacobovichi has no degrees in archaeology, ancient history or any related field. That doesn't mean, of course, that he's not entitled to speak on the subject, only that we amateurs must state that we aren't professionals and should, therefore, provide ample established evidence from the fields on which we speak upon which to base our conclusions.

As to finding the nails used to crucify Jesus, his tomb, the upper room where the Last Supper was held, the route of the Via Dolorosa or any other landmarks of the Jerusalem of Jesus' day, it should be remembered that, according to Josephus, the Romans so flattened Jerusalem in CE 70 that they had to leave three towers standing to show that there actually had once been a city on that site. Also, following the Bar Kochba revolt, the Romans not only flattened what had been built on those ruins but built a Greco-Roman style city, complete with a temple to Zeus, called, IIRC, Colonia Aelia Capitolina where Jerusalem had been. Even assuming the historicity of Jesus, the likelihood of finding any archaeological evidence pertaining to him is nil.

Trantor · 13th April 2011, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by TimCallahan

Every once in a while the History Channel and History International actually do history. However, whenever they are dealing with religion, it's strictly pandering to believers. They also pander to people who believe in Atlantis, etc.

I agree. I've seen a bunch of History Channel shows that deal with the Bible or anything related to Christianity, and the subject is never presented in a critical way. All the Bible stories are generally accepted as fact. I used to watch the shows and just shake my head that this channel calls itself, "The History Channel". Now, I just don't bother watching anything that is related to the Bible or Christianity. I know what to expect.

Gawdzilla · 13th April 2011, 10:49 AM

Another relic joke:

Told about a relic seller in the 14th century.

"Madame! Today I offer the skull of John the Baptist!"

"Sir, that skull is currently in the cathedral at Notre Dame!"

"But that is the skull of John as an adult. This is his skull as a child!"

Skeptic · 13th April 2011, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by TimCallahan

it should be remembered that, according to Josephus, the Romans so flattened Jerusalem in CE 70 that they had to leave three towers standing to show that there actually had once been a city on that site. Also, following the Bar Kochba revolt, the Romans not only flattened what had been built on those ruins but built a Greco-Roman style city, complete with a temple to Zeus, called, IIRC, Colonia Aelia Capitolina where Jerusalem had been.

I built one Jerusalem, and it sank into the swamp.
I built a second Jerusalem, and it got flattened by the Romans, caught fire, and sank into the swamp.
I built a third Jerusalem, and it was flattened by the Romans, built over, had its name changed, and sank into the swamp...

Skeptic · 13th April 2011, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Gawdzilla

Another relic joke:

Told about a relic seller in the 14th century.

"Madame! Today I offer the skull of John the Baptist!"

"Sir, that skull is currently in the cathedral at Notre Dame!"

"But that is the skull of John as an adult. This is his skull as a child!"

There are at least three different heads of John the Baptist in various churches in Europe...

I Ratant · 13th April 2011, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Philosaur

Umm. What?

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(DON'T TRY TO OUTDO TEXAS!)

After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last year, New York scientists found traces of copper wire dating back 100 years and came to the conclusion, that their ancestors already had a telephone network more than 100 years ago.

Not to be outdone by the New Yorkers, in the weeks that followed a California archaeologist dug to a depth of 20 feet, and shortly after, a Story in the LA Times read: " California archaeologists, finding of 200 year old copper wire, have concluded that their ancestors already had an advanced high-tech communications network a hundred years earlier than the New Yorkers"

One week later. A local newspaper in Texas reported the following: "After digging as deep as 30 feet in his pasture near Maypearl, Texas, Bubba, a self-taught archaeologist reported that he found absolutely nothing. Bubba has therefore concluded that 300 years ago, Texas had already gone wireless".

Just makes a person proud to be a Texan.
.
From my bud in Texas...

freedy · 16th April 2011, 06:31 AM

Ancient nails that held Christ to the cross, and he holds them in his bare hands????

Skeptic · 16th April 2011, 06:34 AM

A letter writer to the Jerusalem Post said, with heavy sarcasm, that while he is glad Jesus' nails have been found, they're waiting for the clawhammer that took them out, and the little stool Chaiphas climbed on to get to the nail. He is sure, however, that the naked archeologist will speedily supply us with those items as well.

tsig · 16th April 2011, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

There are at least three different heads of John the Baptist in various churches in Europe...

Ain't the power of god amazing?

The Norseman · 16th April 2011, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

There are at least three different heads of John the Baptist in various churches in Europe...

Of course. You know the old saying, "three heads are better than one."

Gawdzilla · 16th April 2011, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by The Norseman

Of course. You know the old saying, "three heads are better than one."

Fluffy had three.

"Fluffy!"

"Well, it's gotta have a name, now don't it?"

12th April 2011, 04:44 PM	#1
steve s Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,657	Naked Archaeologist finds a couple of old nails... ...so naturally they were the nails used to crucify Jesus. Everybody's favorite cherry-picker is at it again. Quote: "I can't say 100 percent that these are THE nails used in the crucifixion, but I connected the dots, and it's certainly possible." http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/12/di...sed-to-crucif/ Of course, the nails couldn't possibly belong to any of the thousands of other people that the Romans crucified. Oy. Steve S
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12th April 2011, 04:50 PM	#2
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,358	I can get you a gross of the nails used to crucify our savior for the low price of $12.95/dz.
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Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Did they actually nail people to crosses? I remember reading (many years ago) in one of those "everything you think you know is wrong" books that nails weren't used in crucifixtions in the holy land. Tying people to the cross works just as well, and doesn't ruin the timber which was scarce in the area. At least that's the story.
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12th April 2011, 04:58 PM	#4
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12th April 2011, 05:10 PM	#5
steve s Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,657	Originally Posted by PAC Interesting description as it indicates the answer precedes the investigation. Hence the "Everybody's favorite cherry-picker" in my OP. Steve S
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12th April 2011, 05:42 PM	#6
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by steve s ...so naturally they were the nails used to crucify Jesus. Everybody's favorite cherry-picker is at it again. http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/12/di...sed-to-crucif/ Of course, the nails couldn't possibly belong to any of the thousands of other people that the Romans crucified. Oy. Steve S The nail he is holding does not look big enough - but if he has found two nails that could be used to crucify people then that means we now have a total of three such examples. So forgetting the Jesus connection, they are a wonderful addition to our body of knowledge

12th April 2011, 06:08 PM	#7
Mister Earl Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,116	Originally Posted by MG1962 The nail he is holding does not look big enough - but if he has found two nails that could be used to crucify people then that means we now have a total of three such examples. So forgetting the Jesus connection, they are a wonderful addition to our body of knowledge Yes, we have evidence that old nails can be found and that they can corrode. That's about it.

12th April 2011, 09:32 PM	#8
Mel Odious NWO Public Relations Dept. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Behind the times and proud of it Posts: 589	Just did a bit of research on this. The only conclusion I can reach is that when they crucified Jesus they used a bucketful of nails: Originally Posted by Catholic Encyclopedia Very little reliance can be placed upon the authenticity of the thirty or more holy nails which are still venerated, or which have been venerated until recent times, in such treasuries as that of Santa Croce in Rome, or those of Venice, Aachen, the Escurial, Nuremberg, Prague, etc. Probably the majority began by professing to be facsimiles which had touched or contained filings from some other nail whose claim was more ancient. Without conscious fraud on the part of anyone, it is very easy for imitations in this way to come in a very brief space of time to be reputed originals. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Cathol...13)/Holy_Nails
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13th April 2011, 01:46 AM	#9
HansMustermann Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 9,812	Originally Posted by Sledge Did they actually nail people to crosses? I remember reading (many years ago) in one of those "everything you think you know is wrong" books that nails weren't used in crucifixtions in the holy land. Tying people to the cross works just as well, and doesn't ruin the timber which was scarce in the area. At least that's the story. We have exactly one skeleton of someone who was clearly crucified, and yep, nails were used. Though that's a bit of chicken and egg problem: we probably wouldn't know that he was crucified if there wasn't a bent nail left in the bone. Ultimately probably some were crucified with nails and ropes, some with just ropes.

13th April 2011, 02:11 AM	#10
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,735	Quote: The Israel Antiquities Authority, which oversaw the Jerusalem excavation, has its doubts. First of all, officials there said, it's never been proven beyond doubt that the tomb was the burial place of Caiaphas. It also said that nails are commonly found in tombs. "There is no doubt that the talented director Simcha Jacobovici created an interesting film with a real archaeological find at its center, but the interpretation presented in it has no basis in archaeological findings or research," the authority said. From the article.
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13th April 2011, 03:42 AM	#13
GrandMasterFox Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,315	To me it reminds the joke of old mr goldschimt, who had paid thousands of dollars for his son's education that turned him into a major guru in advertising. One day, he asked his son why doesn't he do a comercial for his father's company. The son thought hard and said he got a solution. The following day, the father goes to work and sees a huge sign showing Jesus nailed to the cross and the title says: "They used Goldschimt Nails!" The father rushed to the nearest phone and screamed at his son - "What have you done? We're jews! They'll stone us to death because of this" The son thinks and then tells the father he'll fix it. The following day, the father goes to work and sees a huge sign showing Jesus on the floor next to an emptry cross and the title says: "They didn't use Goldschmit Nails!"

13th April 2011, 05:35 AM	#14
Sledge Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Swingin' on a star Posts: 7,123	Originally Posted by HansMustermann We have exactly one skeleton of someone who was clearly crucified, and yep, nails were used. Though that's a bit of chicken and egg problem: we probably wouldn't know that he was crucified if there wasn't a bent nail left in the bone. Ultimately probably some were crucified with nails and ropes, some with just ropes. Yes, I see the problem. I might start a seperate thread on this at some point, because I think it could turn into a derail on this thread.
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13th April 2011, 06:33 AM	#15
Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the chessboard Posts: 18,361	Quote: "There is no doubt that the talented director Simcha Jacobovici created an interesting film with a real archaeological find at its center, but the interpretation presented in it has no basis in archaeological findings or research," the authority said. Translation from beurocratese: the beautiful and talented Mr. Jcobovici is a total loony.

13th April 2011, 08:33 AM	#16
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by Skeptic This reminds me of the old joke about the archeologist who dug in an ancient Egyptian tomb and didn't find telegraph wires, thus concluding that the ancient Egyptians already knew about the wireless... . The more modern version has that archeologist a Texan.

13th April 2011, 09:17 AM	#17
poblob14 Thinker Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 223	Tell me if I'm summarizing this correctly: This guy finds two nails at Tel Aviv University. Those nails showed up there, apparently without labeling or other attribution, at about the same time as two nails from a tomb got lost. The tomb where two nails (that might or might not be these nails) were found is the one with an ossuary marked Caiaphas, who might or might not have been that Caiaphas. Therefore . . . Jesus? Did I miss a step in there someplace? Is he suggesting that Caiaphas kept the nails as a souvenir or something, and that when he died, somebody tossed the nails into the tomb (one in the ossuary, one on the ground), because . . . . Was this argument constructed by the Underpants Gnomes?
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13th April 2011, 09:35 AM	#18
Philosaur Muse Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 971	Originally Posted by I Ratant . The more modern version has that archeologist a Texan. Umm. What?
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13th April 2011, 09:48 AM	#19
TimCallahan Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,117	Every once in a while the History Channel and History International actually do history. However, whenever they are dealing with religion, it's strictly pandering to believers. They also pander to people who believe in Atlantis, etc. What is particularly galling about The Naked Archaeologist is that he isn't - an archaeologist, that is. Simcha Jacobovichi has no degrees in archaeology, ancient history or any related field. That doesn't mean, of course, that he's not entitled to speak on the subject, only that we amateurs must state that we aren't professionals and should, therefore, provide ample established evidence from the fields on which we speak upon which to base our conclusions. As to finding the nails used to crucify Jesus, his tomb, the upper room where the Last Supper was held, the route of the Via Dolorosa or any other landmarks of the Jerusalem of Jesus' day, it should be remembered that, according to Josephus, the Romans so flattened Jerusalem in CE 70 that they had to leave three towers standing to show that there actually had once been a city on that site. Also, following the Bar Kochba revolt, the Romans not only flattened what had been built on those ruins but built a Greco-Roman style city, complete with a temple to Zeus, called, IIRC, Colonia Aelia Capitolina where Jerusalem had been. Even assuming the historicity of Jesus, the likelihood of finding any archaeological evidence pertaining to him is nil.
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13th April 2011, 10:25 AM	#20
Trantor Muse Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 526	Originally Posted by TimCallahan Every once in a while the History Channel and History International actually do history. However, whenever they are dealing with religion, it's strictly pandering to believers. They also pander to people who believe in Atlantis, etc. I agree. I've seen a bunch of History Channel shows that deal with the Bible or anything related to Christianity, and the subject is never presented in a critical way. All the Bible stories are generally accepted as fact. I used to watch the shows and just shake my head that this channel calls itself, "The History Channel". Now, I just don't bother watching anything that is related to the Bible or Christianity. I know what to expect.
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Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,358	Another relic joke: Told about a relic seller in the 14th century. "Madame! Today I offer the skull of John the Baptist!" "Sir, that skull is currently in the cathedral at Notre Dame!" "But that is the skull of John as an adult. This is his skull as a child!"
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13th April 2011, 02:36 PM	#22
Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the chessboard Posts: 18,361	Originally Posted by TimCallahan it should be remembered that, according to Josephus, the Romans so flattened Jerusalem in CE 70 that they had to leave three towers standing to show that there actually had once been a city on that site. Also, following the Bar Kochba revolt, the Romans not only flattened what had been built on those ruins but built a Greco-Roman style city, complete with a temple to Zeus, called, IIRC, Colonia Aelia Capitolina where Jerusalem had been. I built one Jerusalem, and it sank into the swamp. I built a second Jerusalem, and it got flattened by the Romans, caught fire, and sank into the swamp. I built a third Jerusalem, and it was flattened by the Romans, built over, had its name changed, and sank into the swamp...

13th April 2011, 02:37 PM	#23
Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the chessboard Posts: 18,361	Originally Posted by Gawdzilla Another relic joke: Told about a relic seller in the 14th century. "Madame! Today I offer the skull of John the Baptist!" "Sir, that skull is currently in the cathedral at Notre Dame!" "But that is the skull of John as an adult. This is his skull as a child!" There are at least three different heads of John the Baptist in various churches in Europe...

13th April 2011, 02:44 PM	#24
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by Philosaur Umm. What? . (DON'T TRY TO OUTDO TEXAS!) After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last year, New York scientists found traces of copper wire dating back 100 years and came to the conclusion, that their ancestors already had a telephone network more than 100 years ago. Not to be outdone by the New Yorkers, in the weeks that followed a California archaeologist dug to a depth of 20 feet, and shortly after, a Story in the LA Times read: " California archaeologists, finding of 200 year old copper wire, have concluded that their ancestors already had an advanced high-tech communications network a hundred years earlier than the New Yorkers" One week later. A local newspaper in Texas reported the following: "After digging as deep as 30 feet in his pasture near Maypearl, Texas, Bubba, a self-taught archaeologist reported that he found absolutely nothing. Bubba has therefore concluded that 300 years ago, Texas had already gone wireless". Just makes a person proud to be a Texan. . From my bud in Texas...

16th April 2011, 06:31 AM	#25
freedy Scholar Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 53	Ancient nails that held Christ to the cross, and he holds them in his bare hands????
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16th April 2011, 06:34 AM	#26
Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the chessboard Posts: 18,361	A letter writer to the Jerusalem Post said, with heavy sarcasm, that while he is glad Jesus' nails have been found, they're waiting for the clawhammer that took them out, and the little stool Chaiphas climbed on to get to the nail. He is sure, however, that the naked archeologist will speedily supply us with those items as well.

16th April 2011, 11:40 AM	#27
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,662	Originally Posted by Skeptic There are at least three different heads of John the Baptist in various churches in Europe... Ain't the power of god amazing?

16th April 2011, 11:52 AM	#28
The Norseman I Void Warranties Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: The Treasure Valley Posts: 3,236	Originally Posted by Skeptic There are at least three different heads of John the Baptist in various churches in Europe... Of course. You know the old saying, "three heads are better than one."
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16th April 2011, 05:38 PM	#29
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,358	Originally Posted by The Norseman Of course. You know the old saying, "three heads are better than one." Fluffy had three. "Fluffy!" "Well, it's gotta have a name, now don't it?"
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