Herman Cain, not afraid to look stupid AND hypocritical in the same article

Jekyll's Guest · 18th July 2011, 11:13 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/h...152052930.html

--Last week, Cain, who is Christian, referred to the planned Murfreesboro mosque as an "infringement and an abuse of our freedom of religion"--

The cherry on the ignorance cake?

--"Our Constitution guarantees separation of church and state. Islam combines church and state," Cain said Sunday. "They're objecting to the fact that Islam is both a religion and a set of laws," Cain said of the opponents.--

I'm glad America doesn't have a religion with incredible popularity and power, that is always trying to impose it's holy rules as law of the land. I'm sure Cain would fight strenuously against such a thing.

I Am The Scum · 18th July 2011, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Jekyll's Guest

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/h...152052930.html

--Last week, Cain, who is Christian, referred to the planned Murfreesboro mosque as an "infringement and an abuse of our freedom of religion"--

Can someone explain to me what this means? Typically when one claims a right is being "abused," it is another way of saying that someone is using it to go farther than they should. For example, it is often said that the Westboro Baptist Church "abuses" their right to free speech.

But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech.

These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously?

(This post was not meant to start a discussion on Fred Phelps)

leftysergeant · 18th July 2011, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by I Am The Scum

But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech.

These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously?

I suppose it is easy to entertain both beliefs if you are batcrap crazy with a good dollop of superstitious.

johnny karate · 18th July 2011, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by I Am The Scum

Can someone explain to me what this means?

Yeah, I never understood this nonsensical refrain from right wing crybabies either. Apparently, anyone who has the audacity to not be like them is "infringing on their rights" by merely existing.

hgc · 18th July 2011, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Yeah, I never understood this nonsensical refrain from right wing crybabies either. Apparently, anyone who has the audacity to not be like them is "infringing on their rights" by merely existing.

The United States of Christ. Love it or leave it.

I don't know how Cain did at running a pizza chain, but as a politician and human being, he's a miserable failure.

TheNooch · 18th July 2011, 01:47 PM

Has anyone here ever had a Godfather's Pizza? I never have. Why would a black guy call his pizza joint "Godfather's" anyway? Wouldn't that be like an Italian guy calling his place "Brutha's"?

Loss Leader · 18th July 2011, 01:51 PM

I like the Herman Cain story. It pulled focus from the serious Republican candidates, made their entire party look even loonier, and hopefully it will force some of them to verbalize some sort of support for the concept of religious freedom.

Chaos · 18th July 2011, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by I Am The Scum

Can someone explain to me what this means? Typically when one claims a right is being "abused," it is another way of saying that someone is using it to go farther than they should. For example, it is often said that the Westboro Baptist Church "abuses" their right to free speech.

But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech.

These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously?

(This post was not meant to start a discussion on Fred Phelps)

Easy... when someone you hate does something - ANYTHING, really - that is perfectly within his rights, it´s both an abuse and an infringement of your - no, EVERY honest American Patriot´s - rights.

Welcome to the US, bastion of freedom and democracy.

Alferd_Packer · 18th July 2011, 02:00 PM

Here I Am. . . .

Rock you like a Herman Cain!

hgc · 18th July 2011, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by TheNooch

Has anyone here ever had a Godfather's Pizza? I never have. Why would a black guy call his pizza joint "Godfather's" anyway? Wouldn't that be like an Italian guy calling his place "Brutha's"?

Godfather's was founded in 1973. Cain was hired in 1986.

I used to eat there in high school. I remember liking it alright, but then I didn't know what good pizza tasted like.

Alferd_Packer · 18th July 2011, 02:11 PM

Why is he talking about the murfreesboro mosque anyway? isn't that last year's topic du jour?

headscratcher4 · 18th July 2011, 02:13 PM

Can a community keep a Godfather's Pizza Store out? (I think he was with Godfather's) --

Kthulhut Fhtagn · 18th July 2011, 02:17 PM

Haven't heard this angle before; which tells me either the Islamophobic sect of American politics is becoming more desperate or more intelligent in that they at least tried to make a legal-sounding argument that very-likely will confuse a few people ignorant of US laws. In particular the "keep the gubmint out of my medicare" crowd.

TheNooch · 18th July 2011, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by hgc

Godfather's was founded in 1973. Cain was hired in 1986.

I used to eat there in high school. I remember liking it alright, but then I didn't know what good pizza tasted like.

Yeah I see that now. I'll give him some props on the Burger King gig, they actually make a pretty decent burger. I wonder if he was instrumental in their decision to go with that "Flamed Broiled" idea, in my opinion, that's why their burgers are good, like Carl's Jr.

Personally I think this Cain dude is getting paid to play the part of Token. The Koch brother's might see this as a cunning plan.

/now I want a burger
//and fries

Alferd_Packer · 18th July 2011, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by TheNooch

Personally I think this Cain dude is getting paid to play the part of Token. The Koch brother's might see this as a cunning plan.

Be careful, you almost violated the TOS

DeathDart · 18th July 2011, 02:43 PM

Well, luckily I am a Christian, who practices human sacrifice.

Tricky · 18th July 2011, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Can a community keep a Godfather's Pizza Store out? (I think he was with Godfather's) --

Duminos would have been more appropriate.

Alferd_Packer · 18th July 2011, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Duminos would have been more appropriate.

ba-da-boom - Crash

Lowpro · 18th July 2011, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by I Am The Scum

Can someone explain to me what this means? Typically when one claims a right is being "abused," it is another way of saying that someone is using it to go farther than they should. For example, it is often said that the Westboro Baptist Church "abuses" their right to free speech.

But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech.

These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously?

(This post was not meant to start a discussion on Fred Phelps)

Yes they can both exist simultaneously. It all comes down to where your tolerance lies, and tolerance doesn't necessarily reflect rationalizations like yours perfectly =P

EvilSmurf · 18th July 2011, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by hgc

The United States of Christ. Love it or leave it.

I don't know how Cain did at running a pizza chain, but as a politician and human being, he's a miserable failure.

From what I hear from old-timers (pre Cain's involvement in Politics) Godfather's used to be the best of the pizza chains. After Cain took over they cut corners on their ingredients and the quality of food went way down.

angrysoba · 18th July 2011, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by I Am The Scum

Can someone explain to me what this means? Typically when one claims a right is being "abused," it is another way of saying that someone is using it to go farther than they should. For example, it is often said that the Westboro Baptist Church "abuses" their right to free speech.

But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech.

These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously?

(This post was not meant to start a discussion on Fred Phelps)

I refudiate your snooty, liberal academiac attachment to the meaning of words. Don't you know the beauty of the English language is that words change their meanings all the time depending upon what someone in the Tea Party wants them to mean?

Puppycow · 18th July 2011, 08:37 PM

Cain is yesterday's news. Even republicans seem to have figured out that he doesn't have a clue. He makes Alan Keyes look like a serious candidate by comparison.

leftysergeant · 19th July 2011, 04:33 AM

I was listening to Bill Press on the radio on my way home from work a couple days ago, and they played a sample of a Gospel recording that Cain is trying to promote right now.

He really shouldn't have. FLAT. Utterly bad idea to have that out there.

I have heard Obama sing, too. Not inspiring but at least in the same key throughout.

So Cain is the REAL black man? Dude, the brutha can't even sing.

BStrong · 22nd July 2011, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Yeah, I never understood this nonsensical refrain from right wing crybabies either. Apparently, anyone who has the audacity to not be like them is "infringing on their rights" by merely existing.

A friend puts it this way:

The problem with the Left is they don't like guns.

The problem with the Right is they don't like rights.

Darth Rotor · 23rd July 2011, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by BStrong

A friend puts it this way:

The problem with the Left is they don't like guns.

The problem with the Right is they don't like rights.

That doesn't make much sense, and it isn't even close to right.

It's just another stupid sound byte.

Almo · 25th July 2011, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

That doesn't make much sense, and it isn't even close to right.

It's just another stupid sound byte.

The Right are the ones who scream loudest about getting tough on crime and how criminals shouldn't get the protections of the Constitution; they voilated the law, and are therefore not entitled to be protected by the law. I have to say that sound bite has a ring of truth to it.

18th July 2011, 11:13 AM	#1
Jekyll's Guest Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,948	Herman Cain, not afraid to look stupid AND hypocritical in the same article http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/h...152052930.html --Last week, Cain, who is Christian, referred to the planned Murfreesboro mosque as an "infringement and an abuse of our freedom of religion"-- The cherry on the ignorance cake? --"Our Constitution guarantees separation of church and state. Islam combines church and state," Cain said Sunday. "They're objecting to the fact that Islam is both a religion and a set of laws," Cain said of the opponents.-- I'm glad America doesn't have a religion with incredible popularity and power, that is always trying to impose it's holy rules as law of the land. I'm sure Cain would fight strenuously against such a thing.
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18th July 2011, 12:52 PM	#3
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by I Am The Scum But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech. These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously? I suppose it is easy to entertain both beliefs if you are batcrap crazy with a good dollop of superstitious.
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18th July 2011, 12:57 PM	#4
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,840	Originally Posted by I Am The Scum Can someone explain to me what this means? Yeah, I never understood this nonsensical refrain from right wing crybabies either. Apparently, anyone who has the audacity to not be like them is "infringing on their rights" by merely existing.
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18th July 2011, 01:37 PM	#5
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,028	Originally Posted by johnny karate Yeah, I never understood this nonsensical refrain from right wing crybabies either. Apparently, anyone who has the audacity to not be like them is "infringing on their rights" by merely existing. The United States of Christ. Love it or leave it. I don't know how Cain did at running a pizza chain, but as a politician and human being, he's a miserable failure.
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18th July 2011, 01:47 PM	#6
TheNooch Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 366	Has anyone here ever had a Godfather's Pizza? I never have. Why would a black guy call his pizza joint "Godfather's" anyway? Wouldn't that be like an Italian guy calling his place "Brutha's"?
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18th July 2011, 12:43 PM	#2
I Am The Scum Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,549	Originally Posted by Jekyll's Guest http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/h...152052930.html --Last week, Cain, who is Christian, referred to the planned Murfreesboro mosque as an "infringement and an abuse of our freedom of religion"-- Can someone explain to me what this means? Typically when one claims a right is being "abused," it is another way of saying that someone is using it to go farther than they should. For example, it is often said that the Westboro Baptist Church "abuses" their right to free speech. But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech. These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously? (This post was not meant to start a discussion on Fred Phelps)

18th July 2011, 01:51 PM	#7
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18th July 2011, 01:57 PM	#8
Chaos TAM Chocolate Dispenser Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heart of Old Europe Posts: 9,782	Originally Posted by I Am The Scum Can someone explain to me what this means? Typically when one claims a right is being "abused," it is another way of saying that someone is using it to go farther than they should. For example, it is often said that the Westboro Baptist Church "abuses" their right to free speech. But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech. These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously? (This post was not meant to start a discussion on Fred Phelps) Easy... when someone you hate does something - ANYTHING, really - that is perfectly within his rights, it´s both an abuse and an infringement of your - no, EVERY honest American Patriot´s - rights. Welcome to the US, bastion of freedom and democracy.
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18th July 2011, 02:00 PM	#9
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18th July 2011, 02:06 PM	#10
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,028	Originally Posted by TheNooch Has anyone here ever had a Godfather's Pizza? I never have. Why would a black guy call his pizza joint "Godfather's" anyway? Wouldn't that be like an Italian guy calling his place "Brutha's"? Godfather's was founded in 1973. Cain was hired in 1986. I used to eat there in high school. I remember liking it alright, but then I didn't know what good pizza tasted like.
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18th July 2011, 02:11 PM	#11
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,222	Why is he talking about the murfreesboro mosque anyway? isn't that last year's topic du jour?
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18th July 2011, 02:13 PM	#12
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18th July 2011, 02:17 PM	#13
Kthulhut Fhtagn Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Somewhere in time and space... Posts: 1,939	Haven't heard this angle before; which tells me either the Islamophobic sect of American politics is becoming more desperate or more intelligent in that they at least tried to make a legal-sounding argument that very-likely will confuse a few people ignorant of US laws. In particular the "keep the gubmint out of my medicare" crowd.
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18th July 2011, 02:30 PM	#14
TheNooch Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 366	Originally Posted by hgc Godfather's was founded in 1973. Cain was hired in 1986. I used to eat there in high school. I remember liking it alright, but then I didn't know what good pizza tasted like. Yeah I see that now. I'll give him some props on the Burger King gig, they actually make a pretty decent burger. I wonder if he was instrumental in their decision to go with that "Flamed Broiled" idea, in my opinion, that's why their burgers are good, like Carl's Jr. Personally I think this Cain dude is getting paid to play the part of Token. The Koch brother's might see this as a cunning plan. /now I want a burger //and fries
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18th July 2011, 02:33 PM	#15
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,222	Originally Posted by TheNooch Personally I think this Cain dude is getting paid to play the part of Token. The Koch brother's might see this as a cunning plan. Be careful, you almost violated the TOS
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18th July 2011, 02:43 PM	#16
DeathDart Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: I stand between the candle and the Star. Posts: 1,167	Well, luckily I am a Christian, who practices human sacrifice.

18th July 2011, 03:00 PM	#17
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,373	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 Can a community keep a Godfather's Pizza Store out? (I think he was with Godfather's) -- Duminos would have been more appropriate.

18th July 2011, 05:12 PM	#18
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,222	Originally Posted by Tricky Duminos would have been more appropriate. ba-da-boom - Crash
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18th July 2011, 06:15 PM	#19
Lowpro Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 4,539	Originally Posted by I Am The Scum Can someone explain to me what this means? Typically when one claims a right is being "abused," it is another way of saying that someone is using it to go farther than they should. For example, it is often said that the Westboro Baptist Church "abuses" their right to free speech. But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech. These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously? (This post was not meant to start a discussion on Fred Phelps) Yes they can both exist simultaneously. It all comes down to where your tolerance lies, and tolerance doesn't necessarily reflect rationalizations like yours perfectly =P
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18th July 2011, 06:23 PM	#20
EvilSmurf JREF Bowl Pool Champion Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The USA Posts: 1,551	Originally Posted by hgc The United States of Christ. Love it or leave it. I don't know how Cain did at running a pizza chain, but as a politician and human being, he's a miserable failure. From what I hear from old-timers (pre Cain's involvement in Politics) Godfather's used to be the best of the pizza chains. After Cain took over they cut corners on their ingredients and the quality of food went way down.
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18th July 2011, 06:24 PM	#21
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,604	Originally Posted by I Am The Scum Can someone explain to me what this means? Typically when one claims a right is being "abused," it is another way of saying that someone is using it to go farther than they should. For example, it is often said that the Westboro Baptist Church "abuses" their right to free speech. But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech. These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously? (This post was not meant to start a discussion on Fred Phelps) I refudiate your snooty, liberal academiac attachment to the meaning of words. Don't you know the beauty of the English language is that words change their meanings all the time depending upon what someone in the Tea Party wants them to mean?

18th July 2011, 08:37 PM	#22
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19th July 2011, 04:33 AM	#23
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	I was listening to Bill Press on the radio on my way home from work a couple days ago, and they played a sample of a Gospel recording that Cain is trying to promote right now. He really shouldn't have. FLAT. Utterly bad idea to have that out there. I have heard Obama sing, too. Not inspiring but at least in the same key throughout. So Cain is the REAL black man? Dude, the brutha can't even sing.
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22nd July 2011, 05:55 PM	#24
BStrong Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: California Posts: 3,831	Originally Posted by johnny karate Yeah, I never understood this nonsensical refrain from right wing crybabies either. Apparently, anyone who has the audacity to not be like them is "infringing on their rights" by merely existing. A friend puts it this way: The problem with the Left is they don't like guns. The problem with the Right is they don't like rights.

23rd July 2011, 08:29 PM	#25
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25th July 2011, 11:08 AM	#26
Almo Masterblazer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 6,409	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor That doesn't make much sense, and it isn't even close to right. It's just another stupid sound byte. The Right are the ones who scream loudest about getting tough on crime and how criminals shouldn't get the protections of the Constitution; they voilated the law, and are therefore not entitled to be protected by the law. I have to say that sound bite has a ring of truth to it.
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