WTC towers designed to survive a 600mph impact?

fess · 21st October 2011, 07:50 PM

I am having a discussion with a truther in another forum who posted a jpeg of a page out of the NCSTAR 1-2 draft, page 302. The snippet says that the towers were engineered to withstand an impact from a B-707 traveling at 600mph. Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the draft? Or, do you know where the original statement came from?

Greedo · 21st October 2011, 08:10 PM

Hmm, I'm not sure.

I've heard that before, and I think it's accurate. I've even heard the towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 747.

The thing is, it did survive the impact. The fires brought it down. Of course that's too much for a twoofer's brain.

16.5 · 21st October 2011, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Greedo

Hmm, I'm not sure.

I've heard that before, and I think it's accurate. I've even heard the towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 747.

The thing is, it did survive the impact. The fires brought it down. Of course that's too much for a twoofer's brain.

well considering that 747s themslves were on the drawing board at the time, you may wish to check your facts.

I work with architects, and considering that the plans were in the hopper when the question came up, I'm also going to put the whole sketched out the 707 calcs on an envelope in the field of bull **** too. The designer's claim is not even that they were designed to withstand the impact, rather that the design as ... uh... designed would withstand a 707 impact.

I think the whole thing Is bull ****. The only thing that is not untrue is that they did in fact withstand the impact.

Considering that a drum circle of d-bags has garnered more attention in the last month than the entire truther movement has in their entire history, the fact is nobody gives two ***** about the truther mutts anymore.

ApolloGnomon · 21st October 2011, 08:50 PM

I always figgered the claimed survivability was bogus butt-covering on the part of the architects in order to get the thing built on time and within budget with a minimum amount of paperwork, just like any other project.

Minadin · 21st October 2011, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by fess

I am having a discussion with a truther in another forum who posted a jpeg of a page out of the NCSTAR 1-2 draft, page 302. The snippet says that the towers were engineered to withstand an impact from a B-707 traveling at 600mph. Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the draft? Or, do you know where the original statement came from?

Minadin · 21st October 2011, 10:03 PM

Old thread on the topic:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=70154

Walter Ego · 22nd October 2011, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by fess

I am having a discussion with a truther in another forum who posted a jpeg of a page out of the NCSTAR 1-2 draft, page 302. The snippet says that the towers were engineered to withstand an impact from a B-707 traveling at 600mph. Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the draft? Or, do you know where the original statement came from?

The thread belong on the 9/11 CTs forum here.

But to answer your question, the idea of the towers surviving an impact of a 707 came from a white paper commissioned by the Port Authority during the planning and construction of the Twin Towers. You can read about it in City in the Sky : The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center by James Glanz. Go to this Google Books link and then go to page 131 or do a search for "707."

Dave Rogers · 22nd October 2011, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by fess

I am having a discussion with a truther in another forum who posted a jpeg of a page out of the NCSTAR 1-2 draft, page 302. The snippet says that the towers were engineered to withstand an impact from a B-707 traveling at 600mph. Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the draft? Or, do you know where the original statement came from?

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_707_impact.html contains a lot of very illuminating discussion of this point; I can recommend a thorough reading, which should answer all your questions.

Dave

21st October 2011, 07:50 PM	#1
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Greedo Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,619	Hmm, I'm not sure. I've heard that before, and I think it's accurate. I've even heard the towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 747. The thing is, it did survive the impact. The fires brought it down. Of course that's too much for a twoofer's brain.
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21st October 2011, 08:35 PM	#3
16.5 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,967	Originally Posted by Greedo Hmm, I'm not sure. I've heard that before, and I think it's accurate. I've even heard the towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 747. The thing is, it did survive the impact. The fires brought it down. Of course that's too much for a twoofer's brain. well considering that 747s themslves were on the drawing board at the time, you may wish to check your facts. I work with architects, and considering that the plans were in the hopper when the question came up, I'm also going to put the whole sketched out the 707 calcs on an envelope in the field of bull ** too. The designer's claim is not even that they were designed to withstand the impact, rather that the design as ... uh... designed would withstand a 707 impact. I think the whole thing Is bull . The only thing that is not untrue is that they did in fact withstand the impact. Considering that a drum circle of d-bags has garnered more attention in the last month than the entire truther movement has in their entire history, the fact is nobody gives two *** about the truther mutts anymore.
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Minadin Hiding his Head in the Sane Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,473	Originally Posted by fess I am having a discussion with a truther in another forum who posted a jpeg of a page out of the NCSTAR 1-2 draft, page 302. The snippet says that the towers were engineered to withstand an impact from a B-707 traveling at 600mph. Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the draft? Or, do you know where the original statement came from?
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22nd October 2011, 12:44 AM	#7
Walter Ego Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,557	Originally Posted by fess I am having a discussion with a truther in another forum who posted a jpeg of a page out of the NCSTAR 1-2 draft, page 302. The snippet says that the towers were engineered to withstand an impact from a B-707 traveling at 600mph. Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the draft? Or, do you know where the original statement came from? The thread belong on the 9/11 CTs forum here. But to answer your question, the idea of the towers surviving an impact of a 707 came from a white paper commissioned by the Port Authority during the planning and construction of the Twin Towers. You can read about it in City in the Sky : The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center by James Glanz. Go to this Google Books link and then go to page 131 or do a search for "707."
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22nd October 2011, 12:56 AM	#8
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,907	Originally Posted by fess I am having a discussion with a truther in another forum who posted a jpeg of a page out of the NCSTAR 1-2 draft, page 302. The snippet says that the towers were engineered to withstand an impact from a B-707 traveling at 600mph. Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the draft? Or, do you know where the original statement came from? http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_707_impact.html contains a lot of very illuminating discussion of this point; I can recommend a thorough reading, which should answer all your questions. Dave
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