Do atheists assist Islamic radicals? - Page 3

Craig B · 19th December 2011, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

do you expect us to believe this?

What bit do you not believe?

Hawk one · 19th December 2011, 05:11 PM

Well, it is rather unlikely that the USSR invaded Afghanistan out of a desire to do good. That part I find hard to believe. I mean, considering the countries they've sold their weaponry to over the decades - not to mention their overall international behaviour between 1917 and 1991 - it probably was rather selfish reasons that led to that invasion.

Leumas · 19th December 2011, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

do you expect us to believe this?

If you have a brain.... it is not called BELIEVE it is called KNOW.

Facts are not something to be believed....they are FACTS and if you have any grey cells that actually function then you should KNOW facts.

If you do not know facts and someone points them out, you can RESEARCH and verify them.... and once you have verified the facts as such then you do not believe....you KNOW.

So if you have any INTEGRITY of character and you value REASON then you can verify these facts for yourself.

There are libraries where you can read newspapers from the time.

There is Google…. There are BOOKS….. There are ARCHIVES

There is youtube with old footage from news programs.

If you are older than 40 years and you do not know these things then you must have been sleeping. These things were NEWS and current affairs back in the 80s and 90s and they were in news papers on TV and books and all sorts of media.

I also gave you Wikipedia articles....but you can go and have a look at any other information outlet you want.

I don't expect you to believe anything.... I expect you to USE YOUR BRAIN and find out facts.

Now.... after you find out the facts if you still choose to not accept them.... then now you understand how THEISTS function.

Oh... there is another action you can take.... DENY and refuse to look at or verify anything that might sway you from your current position.... that is another solution..... to CD

Cognitive Dissonance is not fun is it?

tsig · 19th December 2011, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by epix

Imply? It was a straight request to ask what was the reason for hating God - unless you succumb to the idea that Christians ask the question "all the time" and sense that some attempt to breath the life into irony has been made.

The most Christian-to-atheist converts hate God for forgetting to bring miracles into their lives. That means they convert via maltheism to see if that "I hate You" would affect God's omniscient mind. When they realize that God got pissed and mulls punishment, they quickly switch from maltheism to atheism for safety, coz if God doesn't exist, he can't kick your butt.

If god's so small he can kick a humans butt he ain't much.

Leumas · 19th December 2011, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Hawk one

Well, it is rather unlikely that the USSR invaded Afghanistan out of a desire to do good. That part I find hard to believe. I mean, considering the countries they've sold their weaponry to over the decades - not to mention their overall international behaviour between 1917 and 1991 - it probably was rather selfish reasons that led to that invasion.

Opinions are conjecture.... facts are facts.

The fact is the Russians were asked to come to the aid of the Afghani Communist government to fight Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists hell bent on putting Afghanistan back into the dark ages or even the stone age (which they did)...... THAT IS FACT.

Why they did it is a matter of opinion.

But before we formulate opinions..... we need to establish facts.

Besides.... the Afghani communists were Atheists.... and as far as the OP is concerned....they were Atheists who struggled and fought a war against Muslim Fundamentalism.

Those very same Afghani atheists also constituted laws to REFORM the country and to quell the moslim retardation of it.

So the Russians and their intents are in fact immaterial to the OP's subject..... the point is that Atheists who were Afghanis fought and DIED to stop the power of Islam in their country and the intentions of the Russian Atheists they asked to help them is immaterial altogether to the SUBJECT of the OP.

The FACTS are Atheists in Afghanistan fought a war to the DEATH against Islamic and religious fundamentalism.

And that is what I am trying to point out….. ATHEISTS fought and died against Islamic fundamentalism…… do you agree?

Leumas · 19th December 2011, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Hawk one

Well, it is rather unlikely that the USSR invaded Afghanistan out of a desire to do good. That part I find hard to believe. I mean, considering the countries they've sold their weaponry to over the decades - not to mention their overall international behaviour between 1917 and 1991 - it probably was rather selfish reasons that led to that invasion.

Also.... fact..... Reagan armed and trained and aided and abetted the Moslim fundamentalist terrorists.

Was Reagan trying to do good? Did he have ulterior motives?

These are opinions and conjecture.....the fact is Reagan helped create the Moslim movement that we now call terrorists and armed and trained them. At the time they were being HAILED as NOBLE freedom fighters (Mujahedeen).

Mujahedeen is the plural of the word Mujahid and that is the person who carries out JIHAD.

Get it ....the Mujahedeen were being armed, trained, aided and abetted by the Reigan administration to carry out Jihad.

In the mean time .... while Reagan was helping out JIHAD .... Afghani Atheists aided by Russian atheists were fighting and dying to STOP JIHAD.

Craig B · 19th December 2011, 06:48 PM

mikeyx

The issue is not whether the Russians had noble motives for invading Afghanistan - they didn't - but whether these atheists fought against Islamic fundamentalists or not - they did. At that time the USA, also not with noble motives, was supporting the Islamists.

Stuff like this happens. Saddam Hussein - a very bad man - was at one time favoured by the USA and the UK because he was fighting the Iranian Islamists. Later, he was absurdly declared to be in cahoots with the Islamists and got whacked by his former friends.

mikeyx · 20th December 2011, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Craig B

mikeyx

The issue is not whether the Russians had noble motives for invading Afghanistan - they didn't - but whether these atheists fought against Islamic fundamentalists or not - they did. At that time the USA, also not with noble motives, was supporting the Islamists.

Stuff like this happens. Saddam Hussein - a very bad man - was at one time favoured by the USA and the UK because he was fighting the Iranian Islamists. Later, he was absurdly declared to be in cahoots with the Islamists and got whacked by his former friends.

craigp, noone gave you permission to disagree with me. Also the Ruskies went into Afghanistan to stem Islamic militancy in the adjoininig soviet republics who historically fought the spread of bolshevism in the initial Soviet takeover.

Atheists in America are the worst kind of pinko scourge and are working with Al Qaeda in every way, and you have been clearly trolled and look rather silly.

Why do you hate America? Is it bunchy underwear?

Foster Zygote · 20th December 2011, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

sez the floss tycoon.......

Is this your way of evading admission that disputing the definition of an act is not the same as endorsing it?

Foster Zygote · 20th December 2011, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

do you expect us to believe this?

"Us"?

mikeyx · 20th December 2011, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Is this your way of evading admission that disputing the definition of an act is not the same as endorsing it?

why do you hate America?

mikeyx · 20th December 2011, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

"Us"?

You're not going to tell them about US?

Halfcentaur · 20th December 2011, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

craigp, noone gave you permission to disagree with me. Also the Ruskies went into Afghanistan to stem Islamic militancy in the adjoininig soviet republics who historically fought the spread of bolshevism in the initial Soviet takeover.

Atheists in America are the worst kind of pinko scourge and are working with Al Qaeda in every way, and you have been clearly trolled and look rather silly.

Why do you hate America? Is it bunchy underwear?

Did you have to eat those children after you strangled them in front of their pets? Did you have to eat their pets?

Travis · 20th December 2011, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

craigp, noone gave you permission to disagree with me. Also the Ruskies went into Afghanistan to stem Islamic militancy in the adjoininig soviet republics who historically fought the spread of bolshevism in the initial Soviet takeover.

So the Ruskies weren't atheists eh?

Quote:

Atheists in America are the worst kind of pinko scourge and are working with Al Qaeda in every way, and you have been clearly trolled and look rather silly.

Evidence atheists in America are "pinko scourges?"
Evidence they assist Al Qaeda in any way much less "every way?"

mikeyx · 20th December 2011, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Halfcentaur

Did you have to eat those children after you strangled them in front of their pets? Did you have to eat their pets?

dog is generally avoidable meat, and I have no kids so no.

mikeyx · 20th December 2011, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

So the Ruskies weren't atheists eh?

Evidence atheists in America are "pinko scourges?"
Evidence they assist Al Qaeda in any way much less "every way?"

denied, prove you havent been trolled.

Foster Zygote · 20th December 2011, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

why do you hate America?

Ah, yes. You sometimes play the fool to hide your foolishness. Have fun.

mikeyx · 20th December 2011, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Ah, yes. You sometimes play the fool to hide your foolishness. Have fun.

read the post above this one genius.

Jeff Corey · 20th December 2011, 06:49 PM

More posts with all caps and pretty colors, please. They are so much easier to identify.

Craig B · 20th December 2011, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

read the post above this one genius.

Your jocular impersonation of a half-crazed moronic redneck is almost convincing. Amusing, too.

It is very droll, if not troll.

Travis · 21st December 2011, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

denied, prove you havent been trolled.

There is no rolling eye smilie sufficiently expressive for any reply.

19th December 2011, 04:42 PM	#81
Craig B Illuminator Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,903	Originally Posted by mikeyx do you expect us to believe this? What bit do you not believe?
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19th December 2011, 05:11 PM	#82
Hawk one Emperor of the Internet Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Right below The Hat. Posts: 12,845	Well, it is rather unlikely that the USSR invaded Afghanistan out of a desire to do good. That part I find hard to believe. I mean, considering the countries they've sold their weaponry to over the decades - not to mention their overall international behaviour between 1917 and 1991 - it probably was rather selfish reasons that led to that invasion.
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19th December 2011, 05:13 PM	#83
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	Originally Posted by mikeyx do you expect us to believe this? If you have a brain.... it is not called BELIEVE it is called KNOW. Facts are not something to be believed....they are FACTS and if you have any grey cells that actually function then you should KNOW facts. If you do not know facts and someone points them out, you can RESEARCH and verify them.... and once you have verified the facts as such then you do not believe....you KNOW. So if you have any INTEGRITY of character and you value REASON then you can verify these facts for yourself. There are libraries where you can read newspapers from the time. There is Google…. There are BOOKS….. There are ARCHIVES There is youtube with old footage from news programs. If you are older than 40 years and you do not know these things then you must have been sleeping. These things were NEWS and current affairs back in the 80s and 90s and they were in news papers on TV and books and all sorts of media. I also gave you Wikipedia articles....but you can go and have a look at any other information outlet you want. I don't expect you to believe anything.... I expect you to USE YOUR BRAIN and find out facts. Now.... after you find out the facts if you still choose to not accept them.... then now you understand how THEISTS function. Oh... there is another action you can take.... DENY and refuse to look at or verify anything that might sway you from your current position.... that is another solution..... to CD Cognitive Dissonance is not fun is it?
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	__________________ "I don't know if God exists, but it would be better for his reputation if he didn't." - Jules Renard "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own." - Thomas Jefferson Last edited by Leumas; 19th December 2011 at 05:16 PM.

19th December 2011, 05:31 PM	#85
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	Originally Posted by Hawk one Well, it is rather unlikely that the USSR invaded Afghanistan out of a desire to do good. That part I find hard to believe. I mean, considering the countries they've sold their weaponry to over the decades - not to mention their overall international behaviour between 1917 and 1991 - it probably was rather selfish reasons that led to that invasion. Opinions are conjecture.... facts are facts. The fact is the Russians were asked to come to the aid of the Afghani Communist government to fight Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists hell bent on putting Afghanistan back into the dark ages or even the stone age (which they did)...... THAT IS FACT. Why they did it is a matter of opinion. But before we formulate opinions..... we need to establish facts. Besides.... the Afghani communists were Atheists.... and as far as the OP is concerned....they were Atheists who struggled and fought a war against Muslim Fundamentalism. Those very same Afghani atheists also constituted laws to REFORM the country and to quell the moslim retardation of it. So the Russians and their intents are in fact immaterial to the OP's subject..... the point is that Atheists who were Afghanis fought and DIED to stop the power of Islam in their country and the intentions of the Russian Atheists they asked to help them is immaterial altogether to the SUBJECT of the OP. The FACTS are Atheists in Afghanistan fought a war to the DEATH against Islamic and religious fundamentalism. And that is what I am trying to point out….. ATHEISTS fought and died against Islamic fundamentalism…… do you agree?
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	__________________ "I don't know if God exists, but it would be better for his reputation if he didn't." - Jules Renard "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own." - Thomas Jefferson

19th December 2011, 05:44 PM	#86
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	Originally Posted by Hawk one Well, it is rather unlikely that the USSR invaded Afghanistan out of a desire to do good. That part I find hard to believe. I mean, considering the countries they've sold their weaponry to over the decades - not to mention their overall international behaviour between 1917 and 1991 - it probably was rather selfish reasons that led to that invasion. Also.... fact..... Reagan armed and trained and aided and abetted the Moslim fundamentalist terrorists. Was Reagan trying to do good? Did he have ulterior motives? These are opinions and conjecture.....the fact is Reagan helped create the Moslim movement that we now call terrorists and armed and trained them. At the time they were being HAILED as NOBLE freedom fighters (Mujahedeen). Mujahedeen is the plural of the word Mujahid and that is the person who carries out JIHAD. Get it ....the Mujahedeen were being armed, trained, aided and abetted by the Reigan administration to carry out Jihad. In the mean time .... while Reagan was helping out JIHAD .... Afghani Atheists aided by Russian atheists were fighting and dying to STOP JIHAD.
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	__________________ "I don't know if God exists, but it would be better for his reputation if he didn't." - Jules Renard "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own." - Thomas Jefferson Last edited by Leumas; 19th December 2011 at 05:47 PM.

19th December 2011, 05:13 PM	#84
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,718	Originally Posted by epix Imply? It was a straight request to ask what was the reason for hating God - unless you succumb to the idea that Christians ask the question "all the time" and sense that some attempt to breath the life into irony has been made. The most Christian-to-atheist converts hate God for forgetting to bring miracles into their lives. That means they convert via maltheism to see if that "I hate You" would affect God's omniscient mind. When they realize that God got pissed and mulls punishment, they quickly switch from maltheism to atheism for safety, coz if God doesn't exist, he can't kick your butt. If god's so small he can kick a humans butt he ain't much.

19th December 2011, 06:48 PM	#87
Craig B Illuminator Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,903	mikeyx The issue is not whether the Russians had noble motives for invading Afghanistan - they didn't - but whether these atheists fought against Islamic fundamentalists or not - they did. At that time the USA, also not with noble motives, was supporting the Islamists. Stuff like this happens. Saddam Hussein - a very bad man - was at one time favoured by the USA and the UK because he was fighting the Iranian Islamists. Later, he was absurdly declared to be in cahoots with the Islamists and got whacked by his former friends.
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20th December 2011, 04:34 PM	#88
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Craig B mikeyx The issue is not whether the Russians had noble motives for invading Afghanistan - they didn't - but whether these atheists fought against Islamic fundamentalists or not - they did. At that time the USA, also not with noble motives, was supporting the Islamists. Stuff like this happens. Saddam Hussein - a very bad man - was at one time favoured by the USA and the UK because he was fighting the Iranian Islamists. Later, he was absurdly declared to be in cahoots with the Islamists and got whacked by his former friends. craigp, noone gave you permission to disagree with me. Also the Ruskies went into Afghanistan to stem Islamic militancy in the adjoininig soviet republics who historically fought the spread of bolshevism in the initial Soviet takeover. Atheists in America are the worst kind of pinko scourge and are working with Al Qaeda in every way, and you have been clearly trolled and look rather silly. Why do you hate America? Is it bunchy underwear?
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Last edited by mikeyx; 20th December 2011 at 04:35 PM.

20th December 2011, 05:40 PM	#89
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,389	Originally Posted by mikeyx sez the floss tycoon....... Is this your way of evading admission that disputing the definition of an act is not the same as endorsing it?
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20th December 2011, 05:42 PM	#90
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,389	Originally Posted by mikeyx do you expect us to believe this? "Us"?
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20th December 2011, 05:47 PM	#91
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote Is this your way of evading admission that disputing the definition of an act is not the same as endorsing it? why do you hate America?
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570

20th December 2011, 05:48 PM	#92
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote "Us"? You're not going to tell them about US?
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20th December 2011, 05:54 PM	#93
Halfcentaur Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 5,944	Originally Posted by mikeyx craigp, noone gave you permission to disagree with me. Also the Ruskies went into Afghanistan to stem Islamic militancy in the adjoininig soviet republics who historically fought the spread of bolshevism in the initial Soviet takeover. Atheists in America are the worst kind of pinko scourge and are working with Al Qaeda in every way, and you have been clearly trolled and look rather silly. Why do you hate America? Is it bunchy underwear? Did you have to eat those children after you strangled them in front of their pets? Did you have to eat their pets?
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20th December 2011, 05:57 PM	#94
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,937	Originally Posted by mikeyx craigp, noone gave you permission to disagree with me. Also the Ruskies went into Afghanistan to stem Islamic militancy in the adjoininig soviet republics who historically fought the spread of bolshevism in the initial Soviet takeover. So the Ruskies weren't atheists eh? Quote: Atheists in America are the worst kind of pinko scourge and are working with Al Qaeda in every way, and you have been clearly trolled and look rather silly. Evidence atheists in America are "pinko scourges?" Evidence they assist Al Qaeda in any way much less "every way?"
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20th December 2011, 06:01 PM	#95
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Halfcentaur Did you have to eat those children after you strangled them in front of their pets? Did you have to eat their pets? dog is generally avoidable meat, and I have no kids so no.
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20th December 2011, 06:02 PM	#96
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Travis So the Ruskies weren't atheists eh? Evidence atheists in America are "pinko scourges?" Evidence they assist Al Qaeda in any way much less "every way?" denied, prove you havent been trolled.
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20th December 2011, 06:20 PM	#97
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,389	Originally Posted by mikeyx why do you hate America? Ah, yes. You sometimes play the fool to hide your foolishness. Have fun.
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20th December 2011, 06:23 PM	#98
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote Ah, yes. You sometimes play the fool to hide your foolishness. Have fun. read the post above this one genius.
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20th December 2011, 06:49 PM	#99
Jeff Corey New York Skeptic Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,794	More posts with all caps and pretty colors, please. They are so much easier to identify.

20th December 2011, 08:57 PM	#100
Craig B Illuminator Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,903	Originally Posted by mikeyx read the post above this one genius. Your jocular impersonation of a half-crazed moronic redneck is almost convincing. Amusing, too. It is very droll, if not troll.
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21st December 2011, 03:27 AM	#101
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,937	Originally Posted by mikeyx denied, prove you havent been trolled. There is no rolling eye smilie sufficiently expressive for any reply.
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