Do you think The Age of Transformation will come about? - Page 3

NoahFence · 21st December 2011, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by taotransformation

We've heard of the age of Information and other stuff, do you think an age of Transformation is about occur? An age where ego's really become submerged and the whole social status, roles, and the way we behave is totally uprooted and we raise our vibrations at a collective conscious level... What are your thoughts on this?

Check facebook lately?

Not likely. More like we're on the cusp of the age of idiocy.

bruto · 21st December 2011, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Thanks just wondering. To you pessimistic douches who replied with a hell no, thank you, now I remember just why we can't raise our collective consciousness. So we can air "Jersey Shore" on MTV and have half of America fist pumping and using their cheesy phrases but we can't promote the idea that if we all carried the intention of transforming our current collective consciousness into a higher plane is just too far out huh? The idea of the age of Information was absurd as well, but Bill Gates had the vision of everyone having a computer in their household.. now they're practically in everyone's pockets. I believe an age is coming soon where social status, roles, is all uprooted and what will be left is just the intention to go beyond form and really tune into the abundance the world has to offer.

Short fuse, eh? The transformation certainly lies in the future here.

A reluctance to sign onto vague and undefined ideas does not translate into a taste for fist pumping and stupid TV.

There have indeed been social transformations, such as the one that allows us to read and respond to new-age pap on our laptops, but that happened because people with rational ideas and skills created tangible products that worked. And a lot of the people who prattled on vaguely 30 years ago about the age of information and what it would do and what it would mean had no more idea of what would actually happen than anyone else.

Of course there's likely to be further transformation, and some of it might indeed involve some pretty radical changes in social structure, but if you can't go beyond vague pronouncements about vibrations and going beyond form, whatever that's supposed to mean, and higher planes, wherever they might be, then you're not really saying anything, and it's a good bet you're not imagining whatever it is that really will happen.

So, in further answer to your initial question, I do not think an "age of transformation" will come about, any more than what we have already seen in our lifetimes could be called an age of transformation. Things change. We change, and our social structures change, but people are people. The terminology may change, and what we carry in our pockets and how we shop or talk to our neighbors may change, but we'll be what we always were, robbed by the same bankers and governed by the same wankers.

Leumas · 21st December 2011, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Check facebook lately?

Not likely. More like we're on the cusp of the age of idiocy.

And hateful tribalism and self-righteousness and uncurbed GREED.

Quote:

Battle Hymn of the Republic (Mark Twain)

Mine eyes have seen the orgy of the launching of the Sword;
He is searching out the hoardings where the stranger's wealth is stored;
He hath loosed his fateful lightnings, and with woe and death has scored;
His lust is marching on.

I have seen him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps;
They have builded him an altar in the Eastern dews and damps;
I have read his doomful mission by the dim and flaring lamps --
His night is marching on.

I have read his bandit gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
"As ye deal with my pretensions, so with you my wrath shall deal;
Let the faithless son of Freedom crush the patriot with his heel;
Lo, Greed is marching on!"

We have legalized the strumpet and are guarding her retreat;*
Greed is seeking out commercial souls before his judgement seat;
O, be swift, ye clods, to answer him! be jubilant my feet!
Our god is marching on!

In a sordid slime harmonious Greed was born in yonder ditch,
With a longing in his bosom -- and for others' goods an itch.
As Christ died to make men holy, let men die to make us rich --
Our god is marching on.

NoahFence · 21st December 2011, 03:10 PM

^^
Ok.

I Ratant · 21st December 2011, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by dafydd

That idea went out of the world with Timothy Leary.

.
"He's outside, looking in"

bruto · 21st December 2011, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Okay you turned my little post over and over and completely dissected it and chewed it up and spat it out. Thank you really. Maybe you are some sort of old brilliant philosopher like plato reincarnated. Thanks for your input. Maybe you should write a book and I could read it and completely just transform myself into whatever it is you are . later

Oh, so you came to a skeptics' forum and got nothing but skepticism. How crass, how cruel. We forgot the chorus. Here, goes, and I hope you feel better now:

Oh wow, like wow. That's deep, man.

Craig4 · 21st December 2011, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by taotransformation

Lol I guess. I mean I'll converse if there is a synergistic, win/win, kind of empathic intention to understand. maybe if i saw you in person we could sit down and really see it from the same side of the table.

So you'll only converse with people who don't challenge your world view? My how courageous.

Mudcat · 21st December 2011, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Sun Countess

The kids starving in Africa don't care about Charlie Sheen. The women living behind veils in the middle east aren't wearing Live Strong bracelets.

I do live in America and am fully aware of just how privileged I am than the children starving in Africa and the veiled women in the middle east, but like them I don't care about Charlie Sheen and I don't wear Live Strong bracelets (or any other jewelery either, not even a watch).

SusanB-M1 · 22nd December 2011, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by taotransformation

...I remember just why we can't raise our collective consciousness.

What do you mean by 'collective consciousness'? I am conscious, I know others are conscious, but my consciousness is not actually connected to anyone else's. I can imagine it to be so, but know that it is, in fact, not. I'd also be interested to know how you imagine it can be 'raised'. From what, to what? I've heard people talk about levels of consciousness, but wonder how you define them.

Quote:

...if we all carried the intention of transforming our current collective consciousness into a higher plane is just too far out huh?

Do you think it has ever been done? If so, when and where ... and, of course, how.?

Quote:

I believe an age is coming soon where social status, roles, is all uprooted ...

What causes you to believe this?

Quote:

...intention to go beyond form ...

Please define what you mean by the phrase 'beyond form'. Seems to me that as soon as you think you have gone 'beyond' something, then your mind has simply made some new connections and produced some new thoughts, but they are still in your mind.

Quote:

...and really tune into the abundance the world has to offer.

Presumably, you mean some 'other world' or 'dimension' tantalisingly just beyond the human imagination? Well, the internet certainly provides access to a really wonderful amount of knowledge, both useful and not so useful.

ETA I suppose I should have read right through before responding here, but I don't think I'll delete it, even though others' comments are much better! And, as always, it is a pleasure to read them.

therival58 · 22nd December 2011, 12:41 AM

you mean to become like one giant organism and develop a "hive mind"?

No thanks!

H'ethetheth · 22nd December 2011, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by taotransformation

We've heard of the age of Information and other stuff...

Well, other stuff, at least. Definitely other stuff. Oh, the tales I could tell about other stuff.

devnull · 22nd December 2011, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by taotransformation

pessimistic douches

Rationalists.

Originally Posted by taotransformation

now I remember just why we can't raise our collective consciousness.

Because it is vacuous nonsense?

Originally Posted by taotransformation

transforming our current collective consciousness

Want to explain what that even *means*?

Originally Posted by taotransformation

The idea of the age of Information was absurd as well, but Bill Gates

Jack Tramiel, actually

Originally Posted by taotransformation

had the vision of everyone having a computer in their household.. now they're practically in everyone's pockets. I believe an age is coming soon where social status, roles, is all uprooted and what will be left is just the intention to go beyond form and really tune into the abundance the world has to offer.

Again, in english?

Aepervius · 22nd December 2011, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by taotransformation

pessimistic douches

Ha. I love the feel of Negativity in the morning.

Please look in a mirror.

21st December 2011, 02:15 PM	#81
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 9,314	Originally Posted by taotransformation We've heard of the age of Information and other stuff, do you think an age of Transformation is about occur? An age where ego's really become submerged and the whole social status, roles, and the way we behave is totally uprooted and we raise our vibrations at a collective conscious level... What are your thoughts on this? Check facebook lately? Not likely. More like we're on the cusp of the age of idiocy.
	__________________ Our truest life is when we are in our dreams awake. -Henry David Thoreau

21st December 2011, 02:25 PM	#82
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,181	Originally Posted by taotransformation Thanks just wondering. To you pessimistic douches who replied with a hell no, thank you, now I remember just why we can't raise our collective consciousness. So we can air "Jersey Shore" on MTV and have half of America fist pumping and using their cheesy phrases but we can't promote the idea that if we all carried the intention of transforming our current collective consciousness into a higher plane is just too far out huh? The idea of the age of Information was absurd as well, but Bill Gates had the vision of everyone having a computer in their household.. now they're practically in everyone's pockets. I believe an age is coming soon where social status, roles, is all uprooted and what will be left is just the intention to go beyond form and really tune into the abundance the world has to offer. Short fuse, eh? The transformation certainly lies in the future here. A reluctance to sign onto vague and undefined ideas does not translate into a taste for fist pumping and stupid TV. There have indeed been social transformations, such as the one that allows us to read and respond to new-age pap on our laptops, but that happened because people with rational ideas and skills created tangible products that worked. And a lot of the people who prattled on vaguely 30 years ago about the age of information and what it would do and what it would mean had no more idea of what would actually happen than anyone else. Of course there's likely to be further transformation, and some of it might indeed involve some pretty radical changes in social structure, but if you can't go beyond vague pronouncements about vibrations and going beyond form, whatever that's supposed to mean, and higher planes, wherever they might be, then you're not really saying anything, and it's a good bet you're not imagining whatever it is that really will happen. So, in further answer to your initial question, I do not think an "age of transformation" will come about, any more than what we have already seen in our lifetimes could be called an age of transformation. Things change. We change, and our social structures change, but people are people. The terminology may change, and what we carry in our pockets and how we shop or talk to our neighbors may change, but we'll be what we always were, robbed by the same bankers and governed by the same wankers.
	__________________ "Sir, I have found you an argument; but I am not obliged to find you an understanding.(Samuel Johnson) The gods are less for their love of praise....(Wendell Berry)

21st December 2011, 02:28 PM	#83
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	Originally Posted by NoahFence Check facebook lately? Not likely. More like we're on the cusp of the age of idiocy. And hateful tribalism and self-righteousness and uncurbed GREED. Quote: Battle Hymn of the Republic (Mark Twain) Mine eyes have seen the orgy of the launching of the Sword; He is searching out the hoardings where the stranger's wealth is stored; He hath loosed his fateful lightnings, and with woe and death has scored; His lust is marching on. I have seen him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps; They have builded him an altar in the Eastern dews and damps; I have read his doomful mission by the dim and flaring lamps -- His night is marching on. I have read his bandit gospel writ in burnished rows of steel: "As ye deal with my pretensions, so with you my wrath shall deal; Let the faithless son of Freedom crush the patriot with his heel; Lo, Greed is marching on!" We have legalized the strumpet and are guarding her retreat;* Greed is seeking out commercial souls before his judgement seat; O, be swift, ye clods, to answer him! be jubilant my feet! Our god is marching on! In a sordid slime harmonious Greed was born in yonder ditch, With a longing in his bosom -- and for others' goods an itch. As Christ died to make men holy, let men die to make us rich -- Our god is marching on.
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	__________________ "I don't know if God exists, but it would be better for his reputation if he didn't." - Jules Renard "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own." - Thomas Jefferson Last edited by Leumas; 21st December 2011 at 03:29 PM.

21st December 2011, 03:10 PM	#84
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 9,314	^^ Ok.
	__________________ Our truest life is when we are in our dreams awake. -Henry David Thoreau

21st December 2011, 07:13 PM	#86
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,181	Originally Posted by taotransformation Okay you turned my little post over and over and completely dissected it and chewed it up and spat it out. Thank you really. Maybe you are some sort of old brilliant philosopher like plato reincarnated. Thanks for your input. Maybe you should write a book and I could read it and completely just transform myself into whatever it is you are . later Oh, so you came to a skeptics' forum and got nothing but skepticism. How crass, how cruel. We forgot the chorus. Here, goes, and I hope you feel better now: Oh wow, like wow. That's deep, man.
	__________________ "Sir, I have found you an argument; but I am not obliged to find you an understanding.(Samuel Johnson) The gods are less for their love of praise....(Wendell Berry)

21st December 2011, 03:30 PM	#85
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by dafydd That idea went out of the world with Timothy Leary. . "He's outside, looking in"

21st December 2011, 10:40 PM	#87
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,363	Originally Posted by taotransformation Lol I guess. I mean I'll converse if there is a synergistic, win/win, kind of empathic intention to understand. maybe if i saw you in person we could sit down and really see it from the same side of the table. So you'll only converse with people who don't challenge your world view? My how courageous.
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,363

21st December 2011, 11:03 PM	#88
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,683	Originally Posted by Sun Countess The kids starving in Africa don't care about Charlie Sheen. The women living behind veils in the middle east aren't wearing Live Strong bracelets. I do live in America and am fully aware of just how privileged I am than the children starving in Africa and the veiled women in the middle east, but like them I don't care about Charlie Sheen and I don't wear Live Strong bracelets (or any other jewelery either, not even a watch).
	__________________ The major problem with Ocham's Razor is that while the simplest answer may be the best answer that doesn't make it the only answer or the right one. Kopji: A perfect utopia where everyone follows the rules is more like a hell than a heaven. Last edited by Mudcat; 21st December 2011 at 11:05 PM.

22nd December 2011, 12:17 AM	#89
SusanB-M1 Incurable Optimist Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Almost in the New Forest, Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,867	Originally Posted by taotransformation ...I remember just why we can't raise our collective consciousness. What do you mean by 'collective consciousness'? I am conscious, I know others are conscious, but my consciousness is not actually connected to anyone else's. I can imagine it to be so, but know that it is, in fact, not. I'd also be interested to know how you imagine it can be 'raised'. From what, to what? I've heard people talk about levels of consciousness, but wonder how you define them. Quote: ...if we all carried the intention of transforming our current collective consciousness into a higher plane is just too far out huh? Do you think it has ever been done? If so, when and where ... and, of course, how.? Quote: I believe an age is coming soon where social status, roles, is all uprooted ... What causes you to believe this? Quote: ...intention to go beyond form ... Please define what you mean by the phrase 'beyond form'. Seems to me that as soon as you think you have gone 'beyond' something, then your mind has simply made some new connections and produced some new thoughts, but they are still in your mind. Quote: ...and really tune into the abundance the world has to offer. Presumably, you mean some 'other world' or 'dimension' tantalisingly just beyond the human imagination? Well, the internet certainly provides access to a really wonderful amount of knowledge, both useful and not so useful. ETA I suppose I should have read right through before responding here, but I don't think I'll delete it, even though others' comments are much better! And, as always, it is a pleasure to read them.
	__________________ I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. Last edited by SusanB-M1; 22nd December 2011 at 12:46 AM.

22nd December 2011, 12:41 AM	#90
therival58 Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 324	you mean to become like one giant organism and develop a "hive mind"? No thanks!

22nd December 2011, 12:45 AM	#91
H'ethetheth fishy rocket scientist Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: among the machines Posts: 2,340	Originally Posted by taotransformation We've heard of the age of Information and other stuff... Well, other stuff, at least. Definitely other stuff. Oh, the tales I could tell about other stuff.

22nd December 2011, 01:11 AM	#92
devnull Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,532	Originally Posted by taotransformation pessimistic douches Rationalists. Originally Posted by taotransformation now I remember just why we can't raise our collective consciousness. Because it is vacuous nonsense? Originally Posted by taotransformation transforming our current collective consciousness Want to explain what that even means? Originally Posted by taotransformation The idea of the age of Information was absurd as well, but Bill Gates Jack Tramiel, actually Originally Posted by taotransformation had the vision of everyone having a computer in their household.. now they're practically in everyone's pockets. I believe an age is coming soon where social status, roles, is all uprooted and what will be left is just the intention to go beyond form and really tune into the abundance the world has to offer. Again, in english?
	__________________ no, i don't think i need to read naturalistic literature more accurately, to be convinced its true. - Gibhor

22nd December 2011, 01:21 AM	#93
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,750	Originally Posted by taotransformation pessimistic douches Ha. I love the feel of Negativity in the morning. Please look in a mirror.
	__________________ Omnes Blessant Ultima necat "I want, and this is my last and most dear wish, I want that the last of the king be strangled with the guts of the last priest" (Jean Meslier / 1664-1729 / Testament) A very early french atheist, a catholic priest in life.