Disabled kids are God's punishment - Page 2

blobru · 23rd February 2010, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by Aitch

Gee, Bob Marshall has bad eyesight - what peccadillo did his mother commit for him to suffer in that way?

Looks like she had sex with a galapagos tortoise.

Flo · 23rd February 2010, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Elizabeth I

People say stuff like this and apparently never stop to think what it demonstrates about their ~~God~~ perversity and cowardice .

People who say that kind of things essentially enjoy seeing harm and suffering happening to anybody they disapprove of, whatever the reason, but since they are hypocrites and cowards, they hide it behind a professed belief in a divinity.

Trent Wray · 23rd February 2010, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by blobru

Looks like she had sex with a galapagos tortoise.

I must have laughed for five minutes from this comment

blobru · 23rd February 2010, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by trentwray

I must have laughed for five minutes from this comment

Don't just laugh, dammit... nom, nom!

Trent Wray · 23rd February 2010, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by blobru

Don't just laugh, dammit... nom, nom!

I will submit to peer pressure and nom

Andrew Wiggin · 23rd February 2010, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by bickerer

Putting aside the utter repulsiveness of Bob's statement, where on earth would he be getting the evidence to support this piece of offal? Are women in the States required to disclose whether they've had a prior abortion as they check into the maternity ward? Do the medical staff quiz the new Mother of a handicapped infant as to whether she has previously had an abortion? Or is he just shooting this out his backside to see who shows up to help him wipe?

Actually, this IS part of the medical history we expect to see on a woman who's pregnant. Not something that gets asked only to women giving birth to handicapped infants either. Every mother gets that as part of her history. It's usually given in the record as something like G2, P1, A1 (been a long time since I've floated to OB, like decades, but that means, more or less, two pregnancies, one resulting in a live birth. Abortion in this context is any pregnancy that doesn't result in the live birth of an infant. If she was still pregnant, it would read G3, P1, A1.) As for that information being released so that fundamentalist preachers can pretend to run statistics on it and moralize? Not so much. Especially in these times of enhanced privacy laws, sue-happy patients, and the social stigma that still surrounds women's reproductive rights, not a chance in hell.

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Andrew Wiggin · 23rd February 2010, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

As a human being I find it incredibly offensive. And, it essentially calls his god a malign thug.

Well, his god IS a malign thug if that's the position he/she/it takes. The bigger question is how someone can handle the cognitive dissonance to realize that this is the god they've made for themselves, and still consider the bugger worthy of worship.

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blobru · 23rd February 2010, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by trentwray

I will submit to peer pressure and nom

May God bless all your bunnies with pancakes.

Mr Clingford · 23rd February 2010, 03:38 AM

Some Christians don't appear to have discovered the NT, let alone Ezekiel repudiating the 'for generations' thing. It is sad and harmful and I wish they would stop it.

Dancing David · 23rd February 2010, 04:57 AM

Disgusting confirmation bias.

quarky · 23rd February 2010, 07:34 AM

In defense of the whole God thingy, (oh no! I hate this!), it makes a bit more sense with past lives in the equation. You know, karma and all.

I can expect to have an awful next life. Ugh.

ServiceSoon · 23rd February 2010, 08:24 AM

We're all disabled. Some more than others.

Psi Baba · 23rd February 2010, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by quarky

In defense of the whole God thingy, (oh no! I hate this!), it makes a bit more sense with past lives in the equation. You know, karma and all.

I can expect to have an awful next life. Ugh.

However, Karma has no place in Judeo-Christian theology, except when fundies want to ass-pull something in order to make a point.

I Ratant · 23rd February 2010, 08:33 AM

"Community mobile" but still mentally and physically disabled persons of all ages come to the Mall several days a week, with their care givers.
In a more Christian community, I expect they would be sequestered from the sight of good people.

I Ratant · 23rd February 2010, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Psi Baba

However, Karma has no place in Judeo-Christian theology, except when fundies want to ass-pull something in order to make a point.

.
When they bring up that stuff, ask about the soul(s).

TimCallahan · 23rd February 2010, 10:07 AM

To their credit, many, if not most, Christians will probably be as offended by Marshall's words as we are. However, in a 1997 essay titled "God's sovereignty and Genetic Anomalies" the author, Michael S. Bates, said that God allows genetic defects "for his glory." So, should we tell parents of an infant afflicted with Tay-Sachs syndrome that God condemned their child to a short life filled with pain "for his glory"?

To be fair to Bates, he also said that God did this to show us our brokenness and to make us care for the afflicted unconditionally. However, it seems to me that even the healthiest babies have to be cared for unconditionally. The same is true of four-year olds. The effects of aging will also put healthy people in te position of needing to be cared for unconditionally. In fact, the debilitating effects of diseases will at one time of our life or another, put all of us in the position of needing to be cared for unconditionally. So devastating birth defects are simply not needed in that regard.

As to the whole concept of "brokenness," that relates to the Fall, original sin and all that other crap. However, while I find the concept of original sin offensive, our finitude - a word I prefer to "brokenness" - is sufficient, particularly in the face of the many things that affect us that are totally beyond our control, to demonstrate our helplessness and to dispel any ideas of being supermen. We don't need an extra dose of suffering caused by birth defects.

In fact, the only possible argument for theodicy is to put human beings in the wrong: We suffer because of our fallen nature. Ultimately, no matter how kindly this argument is put forth, it's not that far from Marshall's callous, offensive assertion that God punishes mothers for their previous abortions by creating birth defects.

I Ratant · 23rd February 2010, 10:42 AM

Yeah, at the other end of life, what's the "glory" in Alzheimer's?
The total destruction of the personality, making that person a genuine burden to their family.
"All-loving"!
HA!

thaiboxerken · 23rd February 2010, 11:12 AM

Palin still has yet to comment on Bob Marshall's statements. I wonder why?

CORed · 23rd February 2010, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

http://www.newsleader.com/article/20...NEWS01/2220318

As the parent of a disabled child I find this incredibly offensive.

Stripping away the religious garbage, is there actually evidence that having an abortion increases the risk of disability in subsequent births?

kerikiwi · 23rd February 2010, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by CORed

Stripping away the religious garbage, is there actually evidence that having an abortion increases the risk of disability in subsequent births?

no

Trent Wray · 23rd February 2010, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by kerikiwi

no

I have known two women who had multiple abortions actually ... both proud mothers of healthy, beautiful children. For what it's worth. And one of them is a charismatic Xtian and the other is a Wiccan LOL

Doc Daneeka · 23rd February 2010, 06:02 PM

That makes good sense. My autism is some sort of god-given punishment for my parents losing their first child. No abortion involved in that particular case, but the principle seems more widely applicable:

My best friend is gay. Should my son be diagnosed with cancer, I'll not worry about it, since it's just god punishing me for not stoning my friend to death years ago.

[edit] Sorry, overly caustic in this post. My point probably still stands, though.

carmenjonze · 23rd February 2010, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by GreenLines

People getting back at God by having kids. Take that God, take that.

On the other hand, Palin is going to be PISSED when she hears about this.

That, I doubt. The people involved don't have a "D" after their name.

And they're not from eeeeeeevil "Hollywood" (even though Bristol's now gonna be a movie starrr on ABC, that devil-worshipping homosexual company, but whatever, shut up)

No word from Miss Moosedroppings on any of it. I would not hold my breath...

Exitzero · 18th January 2012, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe

I almost understand inflicting a disability on a bad person. There are people to whom I'd almost dole out deafness, Down's Syndrome, blindness, autism, etc., that is how terrible they are as human beings. It would certainly make them easier to live with and cause them to damage less people than they do.

On their child, though?! On their newborn baby?! To cause pain and suffering to a newborn human being that will last their entire lifetime because of who his/her mother or father is?! Making a bad person suffer is one thing- but to make their child suffer as revenge on the parent? What about the suffering of the other siblings, the child's grandparents, the other extended family members, etc.?

I wouldn't do that even to Stalin or Pol Pot or Hitler's children, let alone to a jerk of the regular variety.

As a guardian of a man with Down Syndrome, that's too good a thing to punish jerks. They should be so lucky.

Lisa Simpson · 18th January 2012, 09:13 AM

I'd forgotten about this thread. The story has been making the rounds on Facebook the last few days.

My punishment, I mean, my son, recently gave a presentation before the Huntington Beach Union High School Board of Trustees on the use of technology in special education. It was the first time special education students had spoken in front of the school district board. I was very proud of him.

Quinn · 18th January 2012, 09:35 AM

Congratulations! It must be a sign that you've repented enough for God to start to forgive you just a tiny bit, woo hoo!

Skeptic Ginger · 18th January 2012, 10:10 AM

Apparently the OP link has been archived and now only the abstract is free. But even linking to the abstract which I got to by searching the news site for "Disabled kids are God's punishment", still gets a dead link so here's the abstract:

Quote:

Disabled kids are God's punishment?
The News Leader - Staunton, Va.
Date: Feb 25, 2010
Start Page: n/a
Section: OPINION
Text Word Count: 291
Abstract (Document Summary)
As if it wasn't bad enough that Gov. McDonnell had just proposed elimination of waiver programs essential to the health and well-being of children, now Del. (Robert) Marshall, in his infinite wisdom, claims that children with disabilities are God's punishment? I am the proud parent of such a child -- most precious -- and as difficult as that degree of ignorance is to hear, Marshall simply made public the kind of mentality our community of people with disabilities has been dealing with for years and will continue to deal with long after everyone else has forgotten this appalling statement. [...] what's sad is that there are people out there (the same kind of people who believe "pro wrestling" is real) that will buy that ridiculous theory.

Reproduced with permission of the copyright owner. Further reproduction or distribution is prohibited without permission.

However, further searching found the actual press conference video care of Crooks and Liars:

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiw...lator-says-dis

It's interesting in that they cite a denial by the politician juxtaposed with the 'hear it for yourself' video. So hear it for yourself, it's only a tad over a minute long. I guess bearing false witness against yourself doesn't count in the eyes of the Lord.

It's predictable, just like the main theme in the Bible itself, they rant that if you don't believe what they believe you'll be sorry.

Mark6 · 18th January 2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I really doubt his claim about the link between abortion and the increased chance of disabilities.

You win the "Most reserved response" award

blobru · 18th January 2012, 03:59 PM

Reattaching the missing pic of Republican Delegate for Virginia and fundamentalist ding-dong Bob Marshall, referred to in posts #40 and #41, for those keeping score:

23rd February 2010, 01:01 AM	#42
Flo Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Massongy, France Posts: 2,813	Originally Posted by Elizabeth I People say stuff like this and apparently never stop to think what it demonstrates about their ~~God~~ perversity and cowardice . People who say that kind of things essentially enjoy seeing harm and suffering happening to anybody they disapprove of, whatever the reason, but since they are hypocrites and cowards, they hide it behind a professed belief in a divinity.
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23rd February 2010, 01:53 AM	#44
blobru Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6,592	Originally Posted by trentwray I must have laughed for five minutes from this comment Don't just laugh, dammit... nom, nom!
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23rd February 2010, 02:16 AM	#46
Andrew Wiggin Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: A small planet named for its dirt. You'll find it filed under 'mostly harmless' Posts: 2,914	Originally Posted by bickerer Putting aside the utter repulsiveness of Bob's statement, where on earth would he be getting the evidence to support this piece of offal? Are women in the States required to disclose whether they've had a prior abortion as they check into the maternity ward? Do the medical staff quiz the new Mother of a handicapped infant as to whether she has previously had an abortion? Or is he just shooting this out his backside to see who shows up to help him wipe? Actually, this IS part of the medical history we expect to see on a woman who's pregnant. Not something that gets asked only to women giving birth to handicapped infants either. Every mother gets that as part of her history. It's usually given in the record as something like G2, P1, A1 (been a long time since I've floated to OB, like decades, but that means, more or less, two pregnancies, one resulting in a live birth. Abortion in this context is any pregnancy that doesn't result in the live birth of an infant. If she was still pregnant, it would read G3, P1, A1.) As for that information being released so that fundamentalist preachers can pretend to run statistics on it and moralize? Not so much. Especially in these times of enhanced privacy laws, sue-happy patients, and the social stigma that still surrounds women's reproductive rights, not a chance in hell. A
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23rd February 2010, 02:19 AM	#47
Andrew Wiggin Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: A small planet named for its dirt. You'll find it filed under 'mostly harmless' Posts: 2,914	Originally Posted by fuelair As a human being I find it incredibly offensive. And, it essentially calls his god a malign thug. Well, his god IS a malign thug if that's the position he/she/it takes. The bigger question is how someone can handle the cognitive dissonance to realize that this is the god they've made for themselves, and still consider the bugger worthy of worship. A
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23rd February 2010, 02:38 AM	#48
blobru Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6,592	Originally Posted by trentwray I will submit to peer pressure and nom May God bless all your bunnies with pancakes.
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23rd February 2010, 01:00 AM	#41
blobru Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6,592	Originally Posted by Aitch Gee, Bob Marshall has bad eyesight - what peccadillo did his mother commit for him to suffer in that way? Looks like she had sex with a galapagos tortoise.
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23rd February 2010, 01:35 AM	#43
Trent Wray I Will Not Impregnate You Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,562	Originally Posted by blobru Looks like she had sex with a galapagos tortoise. I must have laughed for five minutes from this comment

23rd February 2010, 02:07 AM	#45
Trent Wray I Will Not Impregnate You Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,562	Originally Posted by blobru Don't just laugh, dammit... nom, nom! I will submit to peer pressure and nom

23rd February 2010, 03:38 AM	#49
Mr Clingford Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,691	Some Christians don't appear to have discovered the NT, let alone Ezekiel repudiating the 'for generations' thing. It is sad and harmful and I wish they would stop it.
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23rd February 2010, 04:57 AM	#50
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,728	Disgusting confirmation bias.
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23rd February 2010, 07:34 AM	#51
quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	In defense of the whole God thingy, (oh no! I hate this!), it makes a bit more sense with past lives in the equation. You know, karma and all. I can expect to have an awful next life. Ugh.
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23rd February 2010, 08:24 AM	#52
ServiceSoon Muse Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 996	We're all disabled. Some more than others.
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23rd February 2010, 08:31 AM	#53
Psi Baba Homo Skepticalis Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Occupying my barstool Posts: 3,183	Originally Posted by quarky In defense of the whole God thingy, (oh no! I hate this!), it makes a bit more sense with past lives in the equation. You know, karma and all. I can expect to have an awful next life. Ugh. However, Karma has no place in Judeo-Christian theology, except when fundies want to ass-pull something in order to make a point.
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23rd February 2010, 08:33 AM	#54
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	"Community mobile" but still mentally and physically disabled persons of all ages come to the Mall several days a week, with their care givers. In a more Christian community, I expect they would be sequestered from the sight of good people.

23rd February 2010, 08:34 AM	#55
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by Psi Baba However, Karma has no place in Judeo-Christian theology, except when fundies want to ass-pull something in order to make a point. . When they bring up that stuff, ask about the soul(s).

23rd February 2010, 10:07 AM	#56
TimCallahan Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,133	To their credit, many, if not most, Christians will probably be as offended by Marshall's words as we are. However, in a 1997 essay titled "God's sovereignty and Genetic Anomalies" the author, Michael S. Bates, said that God allows genetic defects "for his glory." So, should we tell parents of an infant afflicted with Tay-Sachs syndrome that God condemned their child to a short life filled with pain "for his glory"? To be fair to Bates, he also said that God did this to show us our brokenness and to make us care for the afflicted unconditionally. However, it seems to me that even the healthiest babies have to be cared for unconditionally. The same is true of four-year olds. The effects of aging will also put healthy people in te position of needing to be cared for unconditionally. In fact, the debilitating effects of diseases will at one time of our life or another, put all of us in the position of needing to be cared for unconditionally. So devastating birth defects are simply not needed in that regard. As to the whole concept of "brokenness," that relates to the Fall, original sin and all that other crap. However, while I find the concept of original sin offensive, our finitude - a word I prefer to "brokenness" - is sufficient, particularly in the face of the many things that affect us that are totally beyond our control, to demonstrate our helplessness and to dispel any ideas of being supermen. We don't need an extra dose of suffering caused by birth defects. In fact, the only possible argument for theodicy is to put human beings in the wrong: We suffer because of our fallen nature. Ultimately, no matter how kindly this argument is put forth, it's not that far from Marshall's callous, offensive assertion that God punishes mothers for their previous abortions by creating birth defects.
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23rd February 2010, 10:42 AM	#57
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Yeah, at the other end of life, what's the "glory" in Alzheimer's? The total destruction of the personality, making that person a genuine burden to their family. "All-loving"! HA!

23rd February 2010, 11:12 AM	#58
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,988	Palin still has yet to comment on Bob Marshall's statements. I wonder why?
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23rd February 2010, 11:24 AM	#59
CORed Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,292	Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson http://www.newsleader.com/article/20...NEWS01/2220318 As the parent of a disabled child I find this incredibly offensive. Stripping away the religious garbage, is there actually evidence that having an abortion increases the risk of disability in subsequent births?
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23rd February 2010, 12:26 PM	#60
kerikiwi Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bay of Islands NZ Posts: 5,846	Originally Posted by CORed Stripping away the religious garbage, is there actually evidence that having an abortion increases the risk of disability in subsequent births? no

23rd February 2010, 02:36 PM	#61
Trent Wray I Will Not Impregnate You Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,562	Originally Posted by kerikiwi no I have known two women who had multiple abortions actually ... both proud mothers of healthy, beautiful children. For what it's worth. And one of them is a charismatic Xtian and the other is a Wiccan LOL

23rd February 2010, 06:02 PM	#62
Doc Daneeka Muse Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto. But we call it Tarana Posts: 545	That makes good sense. My autism is some sort of god-given punishment for my parents losing their first child. No abortion involved in that particular case, but the principle seems more widely applicable: My best friend is gay. Should my son be diagnosed with cancer, I'll not worry about it, since it's just god punishing me for not stoning my friend to death years ago. [edit] Sorry, overly caustic in this post. My point probably still stands, though.
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23rd February 2010, 10:22 PM	#63
carmenjonze New Blood Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 20	Originally Posted by GreenLines People getting back at God by having kids. Take that God, take that. On the other hand, Palin is going to be PISSED when she hears about this. That, I doubt. The people involved don't have a "D" after their name. And they're not from eeeeeeevil "Hollywood" (even though Bristol's now gonna be a movie starrr on ABC, that devil-worshipping homosexual company, but whatever, shut up) No word from Miss Moosedroppings on any of it. I would not hold my breath...
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18th January 2012, 09:05 AM	#64
Exitzero New Blood Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 21	Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe I almost understand inflicting a disability on a bad person. There are people to whom I'd almost dole out deafness, Down's Syndrome, blindness, autism, etc., that is how terrible they are as human beings. It would certainly make them easier to live with and cause them to damage less people than they do. On their child, though?! On their newborn baby?! To cause pain and suffering to a newborn human being that will last their entire lifetime because of who his/her mother or father is?! Making a bad person suffer is one thing- but to make their child suffer as revenge on the parent? What about the suffering of the other siblings, the child's grandparents, the other extended family members, etc.? I wouldn't do that even to Stalin or Pol Pot or Hitler's children, let alone to a jerk of the regular variety. As a guardian of a man with Down Syndrome, that's too good a thing to punish jerks. They should be so lucky.
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18th January 2012, 09:13 AM	#65
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,063	I'd forgotten about this thread. The story has been making the rounds on Facebook the last few days. My punishment, I mean, my son, recently gave a presentation before the Huntington Beach Union High School Board of Trustees on the use of technology in special education. It was the first time special education students had spoken in front of the school district board. I was very proud of him.
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18th January 2012, 09:35 AM	#66
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18th January 2012, 10:10 AM	#67
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,621	Apparently the OP link has been archived and now only the abstract is free. But even linking to the abstract which I got to by searching the news site for "Disabled kids are God's punishment", still gets a dead link so here's the abstract: Quote: Disabled kids are God's punishment? The News Leader - Staunton, Va. Date: Feb 25, 2010 Start Page: n/a Section: OPINION Text Word Count: 291 Abstract (Document Summary) As if it wasn't bad enough that Gov. McDonnell had just proposed elimination of waiver programs essential to the health and well-being of children, now Del. (Robert) Marshall, in his infinite wisdom, claims that children with disabilities are God's punishment? I am the proud parent of such a child -- most precious -- and as difficult as that degree of ignorance is to hear, Marshall simply made public the kind of mentality our community of people with disabilities has been dealing with for years and will continue to deal with long after everyone else has forgotten this appalling statement. [...] what's sad is that there are people out there (the same kind of people who believe "pro wrestling" is real) that will buy that ridiculous theory. Reproduced with permission of the copyright owner. Further reproduction or distribution is prohibited without permission. However, further searching found the actual press conference video care of Crooks and Liars: http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiw...lator-says-dis It's interesting in that they cite a denial by the politician juxtaposed with the 'hear it for yourself' video. So hear it for yourself, it's only a tad over a minute long. I guess bearing false witness against yourself doesn't count in the eyes of the Lord. It's predictable, just like the main theme in the Bible itself, they rant that if you don't believe what they believe you'll be sorry.
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18th January 2012, 10:22 AM	#68
Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,178	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken I really doubt his claim about the link between abortion and the increased chance of disabilities. You win the "Most reserved response" award
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