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rcfieldz · 28th March 2012, 10:36 AM

So from what direction er...area of the cosmos will they come from? Will they be like this...http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734684/ or http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078748/ or am I way off? What about the satelitte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque ) will this be our undoing?

rcfieldz · 28th March 2012, 10:41 AM

third link should be...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque couldn't get it corrected after repeated tries to. Got it finally...

Twiler · 28th March 2012, 10:50 AM

I don't know.

Baloney · 28th March 2012, 10:52 AM

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Weak Kitten · 28th March 2012, 10:56 AM

How about this?

Without any evidence we can imagine just about anything we want to.

LarianLeQuella · 4th April 2012, 07:18 AM

Huh? I think you need to gather your thoughts a bit more coherently before posting. Your posts don't make a whit of sense in relation to SETI.

rcfieldz · 5th April 2012, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by LarianLeQuella

Huh? I think you need to gather your thoughts a bit more coherently before posting. Your posts don't make a whit of sense in relation to SETI.

Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence...And they are doing the same...ya think?

LarianLeQuella · 5th April 2012, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by rcfieldz

Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence...And they are doing the same...ya think?

That's not at all what your original post said. Far from it. Heck, this post is not puch better.

As to answer, it would be nothing but idle speculation. If they turn out to have any characteristics like us, then perhaps they are. Only answer is that we have absolutely no idea, and thus all we can say on the subject is:

"I don't know."

and then shut our pieholes.

Mods, please close thread as we are done here.

rcfieldz · 10th April 2012, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by LarianLeQuella

That's not at all what your original post said. Far from it. Heck, this post is not puch better.

As to answer, it would be nothing but idle speculation. If they turn out to have any characteristics like us, then perhaps they are. Only answer is that we have absolutely no idea, and thus all we can say on the subject is:

"I don't know."

and then shut our pieholes.

Mods, please close thread as we are done here.

Well if they just read your post you can be sure they'll pass us by...No sign of intelligence there...

LarianLeQuella · 10th April 2012, 01:20 PM

Are you sure English is your first language? Your profile lists you as "Location: U.S.A." but your ability to comprehend what is being told to you (by more than just myself) seems to be very limited. Do you normally need to take medications for a psychological condition? Have you changed meds if the answer to the previous question is yes?

Look, "I don't know" is a much more intellectually honest answer than idle speculation. We suffer from a severe lack of data. And as a species, we also suffer from a lot of popular culture delusions and contaminations.

For instance:
- Is the desire to explore innate to intelligence and civlization? It was in our particular case, but is that universal?
- Do civilizations survive long enough to develop the unfathomable technology to conquer interstellar distances? Indications of our own civilization are that the chances are poor, but again, that's a datapoint of one.
- Does a civilization become more noisy in the EM spectrum as they advance? Again, our civilization is actually quiteing our EM broadcasts...

You see, those are intelligent type questions to ask, not attempting to really compare them to ourselves, or what the popular media has made up for entertainment purposes.

If I were to make something up, I'd say they are observing us via a system-wide quarantine, and will finally make themselves known by coming here once a critical mass of skeptics populate the planet, and turn all the woos, cons, fundamentalists, and people who can't seem to express themselves coherently into some sort of fertilizer for their bacon farms... See, very silly!

rcfieldz · 10th April 2012, 01:44 PM

Well if human behavior is any sign of the way the universe works. Or in examinations of other interspecies (animals or insects) relations go, I'd say we could probably be wiped out in the blink of an eye by whatever encountered our planet if that was/is their intention.

LarianLeQuella · 10th April 2012, 02:05 PM

And I am saying that human behaviour shouldn't be the basis for anything considering our lack of data... A datapoint of one is a datum. It means nothing all by itself.

Beerina · 10th April 2012, 02:30 PM

Not true. It shows that one possibility is an actuality.

And from that, we can hypothesize that it is more likely we are closer to normal than an exception. An item pulled qt random could have been the only one in the bag, or the rare one among many otherwise similar ones, but is most likely to be an average one from among many.

LarianLeQuella · 11th April 2012, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Not true. It shows that one possibility is an actuality.

And from that, we can hypothesize that it is more likely we are closer to normal than an exception. An item pulled qt random could have been the only one in the bag, or the rare one among many otherwise similar ones, but is most likely to be an average one from among many.

I see what you are saying. I guess I just wanted to urge extreme caution when dealing with nutters like the OP...

rcfieldz · 11th April 2012, 01:46 PM

I guess Nasa's Kepler mission is on the right track if life as we know it could exist at any distance from Earth. That said...I am not all sure life, creation, or mankind for that matter is the only type of a lifeform or being might exist. Now I opened a can of worms I know but who knows what molecule, gene split could possibly occur in another atmoshere on another planet. http://www.seti.org/node/993

28th March 2012, 10:36 AM	#1
rcfieldz Muse Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 861	From Where Out There... So from what direction er...area of the cosmos will they come from? Will they be like this...http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734684/ or http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078748/ or am I way off? What about the satelitte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque ) will this be our undoing?
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28th March 2012, 10:41 AM	#2
rcfieldz Muse Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 861	unable to fix? third link should be...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque couldn't get it corrected after repeated tries to. Got it finally...
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28th March 2012, 10:50 AM	#3
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28th March 2012, 10:52 AM	#4
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28th March 2012, 10:56 AM	#5
Weak Kitten Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lost and lonely...will you be my friend? Posts: 1,807	How about this? Without any evidence we can imagine just about anything we want to.
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4th April 2012, 07:18 AM	#6
LarianLeQuella Elf Wino Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: 3rd Rock from the Sun Posts: 1,996	Huh? I think you need to gather your thoughts a bit more coherently before posting. Your posts don't make a whit of sense in relation to SETI.
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5th April 2012, 11:00 AM	#7
rcfieldz Muse Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 861	OP or who..? Originally Posted by LarianLeQuella Huh? I think you need to gather your thoughts a bit more coherently before posting. Your posts don't make a whit of sense in relation to SETI. Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence...And they are doing the same...ya think?
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5th April 2012, 01:45 PM	#8
LarianLeQuella Elf Wino Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: 3rd Rock from the Sun Posts: 1,996	Originally Posted by rcfieldz Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence...And they are doing the same...ya think? That's not at all what your original post said. Far from it. Heck, this post is not puch better. As to answer, it would be nothing but idle speculation. If they turn out to have any characteristics like us, then perhaps they are. Only answer is that we have absolutely no idea, and thus all we can say on the subject is: "I don't know." and then shut our pieholes. Mods, please close thread as we are done here.
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10th April 2012, 11:18 AM	#9
rcfieldz Muse Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 861	Aliens Originally Posted by LarianLeQuella That's not at all what your original post said. Far from it. Heck, this post is not puch better. As to answer, it would be nothing but idle speculation. If they turn out to have any characteristics like us, then perhaps they are. Only answer is that we have absolutely no idea, and thus all we can say on the subject is: "I don't know." and then shut our pieholes. Mods, please close thread as we are done here. Well if they just read your post you can be sure they'll pass us by...No sign of intelligence there...
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10th April 2012, 01:20 PM	#10
LarianLeQuella Elf Wino Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: 3rd Rock from the Sun Posts: 1,996	Are you sure English is your first language? Your profile lists you as "Location: U.S.A." but your ability to comprehend what is being told to you (by more than just myself) seems to be very limited. Do you normally need to take medications for a psychological condition? Have you changed meds if the answer to the previous question is yes? Look, "I don't know" is a much more intellectually honest answer than idle speculation. We suffer from a severe lack of data. And as a species, we also suffer from a lot of popular culture delusions and contaminations. For instance: - Is the desire to explore innate to intelligence and civlization? It was in our particular case, but is that universal? - Do civilizations survive long enough to develop the unfathomable technology to conquer interstellar distances? Indications of our own civilization are that the chances are poor, but again, that's a datapoint of one. - Does a civilization become more noisy in the EM spectrum as they advance? Again, our civilization is actually quiteing our EM broadcasts... You see, those are intelligent type questions to ask, not attempting to really compare them to ourselves, or what the popular media has made up for entertainment purposes. If I were to make something up, I'd say they are observing us via a system-wide quarantine, and will finally make themselves known by coming here once a critical mass of skeptics populate the planet, and turn all the woos, cons, fundamentalists, and people who can't seem to express themselves coherently into some sort of fertilizer for their bacon farms... See, very silly!
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10th April 2012, 01:44 PM	#11
rcfieldz Muse Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 861	intelligence Well if human behavior is any sign of the way the universe works. Or in examinations of other interspecies (animals or insects) relations go, I'd say we could probably be wiped out in the blink of an eye by whatever encountered our planet if that was/is their intention.
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10th April 2012, 02:05 PM	#12
LarianLeQuella Elf Wino Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: 3rd Rock from the Sun Posts: 1,996	And I am saying that human behaviour shouldn't be the basis for anything considering our lack of data... A datapoint of one is a datum. It means nothing all by itself.
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10th April 2012, 02:30 PM	#13
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Not true. It shows that one possibility is an actuality. And from that, we can hypothesize that it is more likely we are closer to normal than an exception. An item pulled qt random could have been the only one in the bag, or the rare one among many otherwise similar ones, but is most likely to be an average one from among many.
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11th April 2012, 05:09 AM	#14
LarianLeQuella Elf Wino Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: 3rd Rock from the Sun Posts: 1,996	Originally Posted by Beerina Not true. It shows that one possibility is an actuality. And from that, we can hypothesize that it is more likely we are closer to normal than an exception. An item pulled qt random could have been the only one in the bag, or the rare one among many otherwise similar ones, but is most likely to be an average one from among many. I see what you are saying. I guess I just wanted to urge extreme caution when dealing with nutters like the OP...
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11th April 2012, 01:46 PM	#15
rcfieldz Muse Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 861	Kepler mission I guess Nasa's Kepler mission is on the right track if life as we know it could exist at any distance from Earth. That said...I am not all sure life, creation, or mankind for that matter is the only type of a lifeform or being might exist. Now I opened a can of worms I know but who knows what molecule, gene split could possibly occur in another atmoshere on another planet. http://www.seti.org/node/993
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