9/11 Truth as a religion

[ozeco41]

Originally Posted by cjnewson88

1. Thou shalt have no other Twoofs before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee a complete theory graven into stone that beareth any resemblance with the facts.
3. Thou shalt not question nor doubt evidence nor conclusions of thy twoof.
4. Thou shalt not blaspheme against thy lords or profits prophets of thy faith.
5. Thou shalt not seek medical help.
6. Thou shalt not commit disinfo.
7. Thou shalt not get an education.
8. Thou shalt not bear accurate witness towards thy neighbor.
9. Thou shalt not ever admit you were thou wast mistaken.
10. Thou shalt not answer a simple question.

I couldst not let pass the mix of contemporary and obsolescent English - Fixed [/grammarpedant]

[Vinny Shinblind]

7 hijackers risen from the dead!

[djlunacee]

Originally Posted by Vinny Shinblind

7 hijackers risen from the dead!

Where? It's a miracle!!!!!!!

[Brainster]

Bob Bowman is the Pope.

[Myron Proudfoot]

If I play the National Geographic Special on 9/11 backwards I can hear Larry Silverstein say "pull-it." or "Paul is dead", it's a tad unclear.

[sheeplesnshills]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

There are no religiously based documentaries that I have ever seen that contain (well over) 30 highly qualified scientists arguing such consistently coherent points.

And no twoofer ones either. I've yet to see a single coherent point from a twoofer. Not one. Just lies and more lies.

Quote:

I've met my fair share of religious fools on both sides of this argument, but to label all people (on either side) as religious is absurd.

I find there to be no essential difference at all. Both have absolute conviction that they are right but cannot ever offer credible evidence to support their assertions. Religion and Twooferism are just different symptoms of the same disease.

[Triterope]

Originally Posted by djlunacee

I reckon then, that this forum would just be hell.

I think we're more like Purgatory: a temporary torment their souls must suffer before they can ascend to the aforementioned afterlife.

[cjnewson88]

I guess Alex Jones is Moses 'come to set his people free' ..

[NoahFence]

Originally Posted by Myron Proudfoot

If I play the National Geographic Special on 9/11 backwards I can hear Larry Silverstein say "pull-it." or "Paul is dead", it's a tad unclear.

...the unfortunate casualty of the death of vinyl.

[carlitos]

Dylan Avery as doubting Thomas?
Mike Gravel as Methuselah?
Dick Gregory as Al Sharpton / himself?

[Orphia Nay]

Originally Posted by NoahFence

2. Thou shalt not bear accurate witness towards thy neighbor

[IdiotWhacker]

is there any deadly sins in the truth movement?

[ozeco41]

Originally Posted by IdiotWhacker

[are] there any deadly sins in the truth movement?

Sure. No truther worthy of the name could:

Tell the truth;
Offer reasoned argument;
Make claims backed by evidence and reason;
;......
;.......
;........

[Dave Rogers]

Originally Posted by IdiotWhacker

is there any deadly sins in the truth movement?

Heresy is the big one. Heresy is rife among truthers, and is punishable by excommunication. For example, if a truther claims that the Twin Towers were brought down solely by explosives and that this contradicts the theory that they were brought down solely by thermite, he will be ostracised and dubbed a disinformation agent.

(Strangely, though, if he claims that the Twin Towers were brought down solely by explosives and that this is totally consistent with the theory that they were brought down solely by thermite, no sin has been committed and he may remain among the faithful.)

Dave

[cjnewson88]

Seven deadly sins of the 9/11 truth religion. Truthers resorting to any of the following are damned to spend eternity in purgatory (jref forums):

-Honesty
-Consideration
-Reason
-Heresy
-Coherence
-Common Sense
-Humor

[Myriad]

Originally Posted by carlitos

I almost posted this off-topic in another thread, where a truthy person was using logical fallacies, but I thought a new topic might last a bit longer. I think it was Myriad (in one of the video analysis threads) that analyzed 9/11 truth as a religion, but without the benefits of an afterlife. It really is the best description.

Just for the record, I don't recall analyzing 9/11 truth as a religion, in any serious way (though I might have cast a metaphor or two in that direction).

However, I did evaluate the peculiar (even by 9/11 conspiracist standards) argumentation of Major_Tom as the construction of a new form of occultism, in this post.

Originally Posted by Myriad

But this is the first time I've seen all the pieces needed for full-blown outright occultism explicitly and unashamedly assembled in one place. A promise to wake people up to reality, a path to do it via learning and affirmation of arcana, and at least the first level of revelation (total mystery).

That applies only and specifically to Major_Tom's claims and arguments (possibly also to femr2's but that relationship is not at all clear), which I found inexplicable in any other way yet so consistent with occult systems that I believe observing the process of M_T's evolving argument has deepened my own understanding of how past occult systems might have emerged.

Of course, that is not at all inconsistent with the rest (or a large portion of the rest) of 9/11 conspiracism representing a religion. Major_Tom's belief structure would then be to 9/11 truth, something like the Kaballah as adopted by the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn is to Judaism.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[Orphia Nay]

A memorable comparison of twoof with religion was made in the "Remember Building 7" - "Largest 9/11 Campaign Ever" thread in August, by our dear ex-truther, DC:

Originally Posted by NoahFence

How is this even allowed to continue?

Originally Posted by DC

Freedom of religion

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

... I can't seem to find any other "religion" that has so many scientists speaking directly about it in such scientific terms. For example I just watched a recent two hour long documentary about this very subject, it only interviews very qualified scientists, and ends with various testimonies from the families of 9/11 victims. Unless I can find a rebuttal to the points there-in I'm still going to remain skeptical of the official story. ...

People who fall for the video, they lack knowledge to understand the video is nonsense. Are you fooled by idiots on 911? 911 truth is pure nonsense, a religion of anti-intellectual claptrap presented by a few fringe conspiracy theorist. 19 terrorists did 911, a simple plot a few nuts (911 truth) can't figure out. Flight 93 Passengers figured out 911 in minutes, why are some unable to figure out 911 given 10 years, the answers, and all the evidence.

Many are fooled by 911 truth, they occur at a rate of less than 0.1 percent of engineers, less than a one percent of pilots, and then a few who refuse to make an effort to see 911 truth presenting garbage, with no evidence to support their failed claims. The video you presented says there was thermite. Zero was found. There were zero thermite products at the WTC. Have you been fooled by idiots who make up lies based on nonsense?

You will find no evidence to support the points made in the video. Failed points, fantasy. 911 truth, a religion that celebrates lies, ignorance, and gullibility. Like some nuts claiming 2+2=green, you decide be skeptical of 4.

[Zeuzzz]

I don't agree with the whole 9/11 truth thing, I just don't agree with the idea that the people that I see supporting it are doing it as it's a religion. That's why my last posts might have come across a bit strong.

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

I don't agree with the whole 9/11 truth thing, I just don't agree with the idea that the people that I see supporting it are doing it as it's a religion. That's why my last posts might have come across a bit strong.

They lack the self-awareness, so they don't practice it as a religion.

[sheeplesnshills]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

I don't agree with the whole 9/11 truth thing, I just don't agree with the idea that the people that I see supporting it are doing it as it's a religion. That's why my last posts might have come across a bit strong.

Most members of a cult deny that they are members of a cult. Sure its not a conventional religion in the christian sense with promise of being loved by some all powerful figure and getting eternal life etc but those are not features of all religions and the basic mechanisms in play are the same.

[BStrong]

Originally Posted by carlitos

I almost posted this off-topic in another thread, where a truthy person was using logical fallacies, but I thought a new topic might last a bit longer. I think it was Myriad (in one of the video analysis threads) that analyzed 9/11 truth as a religion, but without the benefits of an afterlife. It really is the best description.

• "9/11 was an inside job" is the creed.
• "thermite" is the miracle birth.
• "red chips" are the eucharist.
• WTC 7 has become the crucifix / Jesus
• All the technobable is their scripture (in femr2/Major_Tom's case, an illustrated bible)
• Harrit, Jones and Griffin are the profits prophets.
• Online petitions and youtube comments are their witnessing / evangelism.
• "A new investigation" is the rapture.

I wrote all of the above and I noticed the lack of consideration for the actual victims of the tragedy. In a real religion, those people would be saints or something, but the truthy people don't even mention them. The closest thing is Sibel Edmonds, who serves as a type of martyr who, in typical truther fashion isn't a real martyr, still alive yammering on about being "silenced."

Handing out DVDs as a passion play? Judy Wood as Mormonism?

Well stated.

[Dave Rogers]

Originally Posted by sheeplesnshills

Most members of a cult deny that they are members of a cult.

And, given that truthers favour circular logic, this proves that the 9/11 truth movement is a cult.

Dave

[chrismohr]

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

I don't agree with the whole 9/11 truth thing, I just don't agree with the idea that the people that I see supporting it are doing it as it's a religion. That's why my last posts might have come across a bit strong.

Calling 9/11 truth people a cult is way inaccurate. Cults stick to a single dogma and have a single strong leader. 9/11 Truth people I have had direct contact with either in person or via email believe in Controlled Demolition, Post Star Wars space rays, missiles not planes, binLaden being alive, bin Laden never having existed, Flight 93 never having happened, the Holocaust never having happened, aliens having done it, mininukes, you name it. The whodunit list varies even more. They have asked me to investigate all these claims and others as well. The Gage rebuttals took me about 1000 hours so no thank you. But anyway, These subgroups often attack one another and accuse each other of being government shills trying to distract people from the real Truth. Definitely not a cult...

[djlunacee]

Originally Posted by chrismohr

Calling 9/11 truth people a cult is way inaccurate. Cults stick to a single dogma and have a single strong leader. 9/11 Truth people I have had direct contact with either in person or via email believe in Controlled Demolition, Post Star Wars space rays, missiles not planes, binLaden being alive, bin Laden never having existed, Flight 93 never having happened, the Holocaust never having happened, aliens having done it, mininukes, you name it. The whodunit list varies even more. They have asked me to investigate all these claims and others as well. The Gage rebuttals took me about 1000 hours so no thank you. But anyway, These subgroups often attack one another and accuse each other of being government shills trying to distract people from the real Truth. Definitely not a cult...

I am more inclined to lean this way as well, it really is more of a religion than a cult. Closer to Christianity, with the various sects falling under the umbrella.

[Orphia Nay]

I came across this jpeg called "Religious Logic", which has comparisons to the truther mindset:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngu...iouslogic.jpeg

[twinstead]

Originally Posted by chrismohr

Calling 9/11 truth people a cult is way inaccurate. Cults stick to a single dogma and have a single strong leader. 9/11 Truth people I have had direct contact with either in person or via email believe in Controlled Demolition, Post Star Wars space rays, missiles not planes, binLaden being alive, bin Laden never having existed, Flight 93 never having happened, the Holocaust never having happened, aliens having done it, mininukes, you name it. The whodunit list varies even more. They have asked me to investigate all these claims and others as well. The Gage rebuttals took me about 1000 hours so no thank you. But anyway, These subgroups often attack one another and accuse each other of being government shills trying to distract people from the real Truth. Definitely not a cult...

Lots of cults do break off into different factions though--organized religion is one example

[Edx]

Originally Posted by chrismohr

Calling 9/11 truth people a cult is way inaccurate. Cults stick to a single dogma and have a single strong leader. 9/11 Truth people I have had direct contact with either in person or via email believe in Controlled Demolition, Post Star Wars space rays, missiles not planes, binLaden being alive, bin Laden never having existed, Flight 93 never having happened, the Holocaust never having happened, aliens having done it, mininukes, you name it. The whodunit list varies even more. They have asked me to investigate all these claims and others as well. The Gage rebuttals took me about 1000 hours so no thank you. But anyway, These subgroups often attack one another and accuse each other of being government shills trying to distract people from the real Truth. Definitely not a cult...

But they are certainly religious, the cult aspect is the overall "911 is an inside jawb!!" agreement.

[Robrob]

Originally Posted by twinstead

Lots of cults do break off into different factions though--organized religion is one example

The truthers have different creeds, no-planes, space lasers, dustification, spheres, etc... yet they all manage to unite in one common affirmation of faith - "Teh Gubmit Done It!"

[NutCracker]

Originally Posted by carlitos

I almost posted this off-topic in another thread, where a truthy person was using logical fallacies, but I thought a new topic might last a bit longer. I think it was Myriad (in one of the video analysis threads) that analyzed 9/11 truth as a religion, but without the benefits of an afterlife. It really is the best description.

• "9/11 was an inside job" is the creed.
• "thermite" is the miracle birth.
• "red chips" are the eucharist.
• WTC 7 has become the crucifix / Jesus
• All the technobable is their scripture (in femr2/Major_Tom's case, an illustrated bible)
• Harrit, Jones and Griffin are the profits prophets.
• Online petitions and youtube comments are their witnessing / evangelism.
• "A new investigation" is the rapture.

And the government is a omnipresent, omnipotent evil god.

[carlitos]

Nice build.

[beachnut]

A few fringe nuts in 911 truth hate the United States, kind of like McVeigh. Lucky they only post lies, nonsense, fantasy, delusions, and other nutty ideas on 911; they don't take action. I guess they leave the action up to Jones, Griffin, and Gage. Jones spreads insane lies possible caused by a brain problem, Griffin writes books based on hearsay, and Gage begs for money and makes 400k/yr. The rest of 911 truth are failed follower, backed with 10 years of solid failure. The 911 truth religion will fade into the standard flat earth, Bigfoot, eternal failure mode, where the weak minded paranoid conspiracy nuts rise up and fail.

Albeit, most 911 truthers will, on day, rise up and think for themselves and be better than I at being human, and become smart humans; a goal I can only dream of.

David Ray Griffin is the high priest of 911 truth, the high priest of woo.

[Starving for Truth]

Hmm, I couldn't help but notice these faithful truthseekers on 911blogger:

http://911blogger.com/news/2013-01-2...-jr-911blogger

Preach it, brother Joe!

Originally Posted by sjcsea

IT'S AN ABOMINATION THAT AN INDIVIDUAL OF EXACT OPPOSITE CHARACTER IS BEING SWORN INTO OFFICE TODAY ON THIS SPECIAL DAY, THE BIRTHDAY OF REV MARTIN LUTHER KING
i pray with all my heart, mind and soul, that someday i can give Rev Martin Luther King the biggest hug and tell him how much i love him
Thank you for sacrificing your life for us, for following in the example of our Lord, Master, Teacher and Saviour Jesus Christ
I love you, please watch over us and help us all, even and especially, our soon to be new, yet terribly lost, confused, possessed, hardened and calloused, president
Thank you, A-men

Originally Posted by Joe

I teared up as I prayed with you.

Thank you sjcsea.

God be with us in these hard times, we are LITERALLY walking through hell in our quest for truth (disinfo agents everywhere, low internet speeds preventing us from fully connecting with each other within the virtual domain, and hence staying isolated in real time). We are truly suffering.

[HotRodDeluxe]

All heretics are shills!

Repeat the mantra, "I'm just asking questions".

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by Starving for Truth

Hmm, I couldn't help but notice these faithful truthseekers on 911blogger:

http://911blogger.com/news/2013-01-2...-jr-911blogger

Preach it, brother Joe!

God be with us in these hard times, we are LITERALLY walking through hell in our quest for truth (disinfo agents everywhere, low internet speeds preventing us from fully connecting with each other within the virtual domain, and hence staying isolated in real time). We are truly suffering.

Big fail as they fantasize the delusion of an inside job is on par with MLK's legacy. What a bunch of loons. A legacy of open-loop fail, 911blogger.