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Old 27th April 2012, 12:08 AM   #2361
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And pick up the bottle.. you're going to need it.
I was under the impression that sipping into a coma was a bad thing..,
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Old 27th April 2012, 12:23 AM   #2362
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Pakeha posting posers..
My bible scholarship is nil and I follow all the links posted up to learn more.
It's why I'm constantly asking DOC for sources and links to back up their arguments and lines of reasoning.
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Old 27th April 2012, 01:45 AM   #2363
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Sixthed



My bible scholarship is nil and I follow all the links posted up to learn more.
It's why I'm constantly asking DOC for sources and links to back up their arguments and lines of reasoning.
Seventhed.
I too knew nothing of the lies, contradictions and general fallaciousness of the babble 'til I stumbled across the 'new testament truthiness' thread. Followed links and discovered that the apololgists demand that you eschew all rationality as opposed to the scholors that provide real evidence based upon history, archaelogy and reason.
I suppose I should thank DOC in some perverse and backhanded way.
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Old 27th April 2012, 01:53 AM   #2364
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I was under the impression that sipping into a coma was a bad thing..,
Isn't it preferable to the alternative? I swear, I lost less sanity points playing the Cthulhu PnP RPG.
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Old 27th April 2012, 02:47 AM   #2365
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Isn't it preferable to the alternative?
Being in a coma is preferable to being conscious? Well, the same way being dead is preferable to being alive...
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Old 27th April 2012, 03:41 AM   #2366
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...I suppose I should thank DOC in some perverse and backhanded way.


To be fair, it COULD be argued we're asking DOC to do the impossible.
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Old 27th April 2012, 04:02 AM   #2367
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To be fair, it COULD be argued we're asking DOC to do the impossible.
Admit mistakes?

True. True.
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Old 27th April 2012, 06:00 AM   #2368
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Eighthed.

Tim's posts in particular are full of sources, in contrast to DOC's, who posts very few sources other than his Big Book of Fairytales.

DOC, I look at all the posts on their merits. I follow links, I do exactly what you advise in that I let the posts speak for themselves. Unfortunately, I find your posts less than persuasive and your use of weasel words (may, might, could have) unconvincing.
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Old 27th April 2012, 06:23 AM   #2369
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Let me repeat a caveat I've expressed at least once before in this thread.

I think it's almost inevitable that there are one or more prophecies that DOC might be able to reasonably point to and announce them fulfilled.

Not because prophets could see an already written future*, but something to do with the law of large numbers - with enough prophecies** scattered about, some are highly likely to have transpired.

So, I think having DOC only have to show ONE fulfilled prophecy is way too low a bar.


*If they could, implying the future is written, I see fundamental problems with free will and all sorts of paradoxes. But that's maybe taking this off on a tangent.

**Have we adequately defined a prophecy? Can God prophesy, or does it require a proclaimed prophet? Or can just anyone in the bible throw guesses out there to see what sticks?

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Old 27th April 2012, 02:44 PM   #2370
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We have done that.
I know, I missed it though
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I know, I missed it though
The DOCisms come so thick and fast, it's hard to pick a winner. ;





ETA: Iv'e heard that the archeologists have unearthed a new tomb. They've found a mummy covered in nuts and chocolate. It's believed that it could be the tomb of the ancient Egyptian embassador Pharoah Rocher!
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Poe's Law!!! im christian if we came from apes how come were not hairy and have a big mouth and did we end up looking like we do know and besides there isnt any serious proof of apes they showd a video saying an ape was wondering around in the forest that thing looked exactly like a costume that i had saw at a store know one ever cought an ape (spelling/punctuation by original author)

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Old 27th April 2012, 03:05 PM   #2372
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The DOCisms come so thick and fast, it's hard to pick a winner.
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Old 27th April 2012, 03:43 PM   #2373
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ETA: Iv'e heard that the archeologists have unearthed a new tomb. They've found a mummy covered in nuts and chocolate. It's believed that it could be the tomb of the ancient Egyptian embassador Pharoah Rocher!
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Poe's Law!!! im christian if we came from apes how come were not hairy and have a big mouth and did we end up looking like we do know and besides there isnt any serious proof of apes they showd a video saying an ape was wondering around in the forest that thing looked exactly like a costume that i had saw at a store know one ever cought an ape (spelling/punctuation by original author)
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Originally Posted by welshdean View Post
ETA: Iv'e heard that the archeologists have unearthed a new tomb. They've found a mummy covered in nuts and chocolate. It's believed that it could be the tomb of the ancient Egyptian embassador Pharaoh Rocher!


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By popular demand, The list is updated with the requested addition.

DOC has successfully demonstrated a fulfilled biblical prophecy: 1

DOC

DOC has failed to demonstrate that biblical prophecies have been fullfilled. 43
Joobz
Foster Zygote
jond
abaddon
mashuna
zooterkin
Mojo
Lucian
Amazer
Helen
Filippo Lippi
Hokulele
RoboTimbo
FastEddieB
joseph8th
kmortis
x
RobDegraves
Elizabeth I
Lukraak_Sisser
Mudcat
ddt
Mister Agenda* Whose opinion DOC labeled as Unbiased
catsmate
tsig
Leumas
Brainache
Welshdean
Rincewind
Multivac
pakeha
dafydd
TimCallahan
Wildy
Lrrr
Cantab
Sezme
AdMan
Alice Shortcake
Sun Countess
Agatha
Akhenaten/Aberhaten
lowpro

Doc has successfullly demonstrated that the OT is largely made up of incomprehensible gibberish: 16
Lucian
Helen
kmortis
ddt
Leumas
Mudcat
Welshdean
Rincewind
Multivac
Brainache
pakeha
Cantab
Sezme
Nay_sayer
Akhenaten
lowpro

Do you believe any of these[prophecies in a google list] came true?
No:23

zooterkin
joobz
kerikiwi
pakeha
Mojo
dafydd
Lucian
ddt
welshdean
Agatha
Elizabeth I
Craig B
catsmate1
Helen
carlitos
abaddon
Robotimbo
Mudcat
Welshdean
Lrrr
Rincewind
Akhenaten
Lowpro

So you believe these[prophecies in a google list] came true?
Yes:0

no one has yet to agree to this

Who's posts are more "informational"?
DOC's:0
no one has yet to agree to this

Tim Callahan et al:11
Fast Eddie B
catsmate1
ddt
Mudcat
dafydd
pakeha
welshdean
Agatha
joobz
RoboTimbo
Akhenaten



ETA:
added Robotimbo and the pharoah
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"Perhaps one reason per capita GDP is lower in UHC countries is because they've tried to prevent this important function [bankrupting the sick] and thus carry forward considerable economic dead wood?"-BeAChooser

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Old 27th April 2012, 07:14 PM   #2378
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Tim Callahan/joobz et al:9
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joobz
Add me to the list of people who have learned from you and TimCallahan, please. There are quite a few others who have greatly contributed but if I start listing them, I know I'll forget some. DOC would not be on that list but he would be the single person on the list of people who have taught me what kind of dishonest tactics that apologists use so I guess in a way, he has taught me a lot.
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Good work, joobz. Have a chocolate.


Also, at your leisure, please add my name to the last group. Even my posts are more informative than DOC's, and I'm only here for . . . umm . . .

I'll get back to you on that.


Also also, a belated congratulations re your tenure. Have another chocolate.


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Old 27th April 2012, 07:22 PM   #2380
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Add me to the list of people who have learned from you and TimCallahan, please. There are quite a few others who have greatly contributed but if I start listing them, I know I'll forget some. DOC would not be on that list but he would be the single person on the list of people who have taught me what kind of dishonest tactics that apologists use so I guess in a way, he has taught me a lot.
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Good work, joobz. Have a chocolate.
Got you guys!



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Also, at your leisure, please add my name to the last group. Even my posts are more informative than DOC's, and I'm only here for . . . umm . . .
I removed my name from the poll as I think Tim is a better representative. And it is clear that the majority of people here are more informed than DOC.

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Also also, a belated congratulations re your tenure. Have another chocolate.

Thanks!
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If I had any wine left in this bottle I'd raise it to you for your tenure, joobz. Sadly the wine is gone but my congratulations are no less heartfelt.

Say, did we get any fulfilled prophecy yet? No? Ah well, I'll stick around for the pictures.
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Originally Posted by joobz View Post
By popular demand, The list is updated with the requested addition.

DOC has successfully demonstrated a fulfilled biblical prophecy: 1

DOC

DOC has failed to demonstrate that biblical prophecies have been fullfilled. 43
Joobz
Foster Zygote
jond
abaddon
mashuna
zooterkin
Mojo
Lucian
Amazer
Helen
Filippo Lippi
Hokulele
RoboTimbo
FastEddieB
joseph8th
kmortis
x
RobDegraves
Elizabeth I
Lukraak_Sisser
Mudcat
ddt
Mister Agenda* Whose opinion DOC labeled as Unbiased
catsmate
tsig
Leumas
Brainache
Welshdean
Rincewind
Multivac
pakeha
dafydd
TimCallahan
Wildy
Lrrr
Cantab
Sezme
AdMan
Alice Shortcake
Sun Countess
Agatha
Akhenaten/Aberhaten
lowpro

Doc has successfullly demonstrated that the OT is largely made up of incomprehensible gibberish: 16
Lucian
Helen
kmortis
ddt
Leumas
Mudcat
Welshdean
Rincewind
Multivac
Brainache
pakeha
Cantab
Sezme
Nay_sayer
Akhenaten
lowpro

Do you believe any of these[prophecies in a google list] came true?
No:23

zooterkin
joobz
kerikiwi
pakeha
Mojo
dafydd
Lucian
ddt
welshdean
Agatha
Elizabeth I
Craig B
catsmate1
Helen
carlitos
abaddon
Robotimbo
Mudcat
Welshdean
Lrrr
Rincewind
Akhenaten
Lowpro

So you believe these[prophecies in a google list] came true?
Yes:0

no one has yet to agree to this

Who's posts are more "informational"?
DOC's:0
no one has yet to agree to this

Tim Callahan et al:11
Fast Eddie B
catsmate1
ddt
Mudcat
dafydd
pakeha
welshdean
Agatha
joobz
RoboTimbo
Akhenaten



ETA:
added Robotimbo and the pharoah
Please add me to "Tim Callahan et al."

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Please add me to the TimCallahan et al. category, Herr Associate Professor Doktor.
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Please add me, too, to the above.
I liked the Pharaoh joke, too!
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You'd better add me to the "no" list on on the list of google prophecies and the Tim Callahan is more informational list. Please.
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Add me to the list.

And of you are sending out Pharaoh chocolate, add me to that list as well. Or any other chocolate list that you have going.
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Add me to the list.

And of you are sending out Pharaoh chocolate, add me to that list as well. Or any other chocolate list that you have going.


If you really like chocolate you might enjoy Ezekiel's favourite treat.




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If I really like chocolate? That's a bit like asking DOC if he really likes fallacious argument.
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Add me to the list.

And of you are sending out Pharaoh chocolate, add me to that list as well. Or any other chocolate list that you have going.
Asking nicely to send it? Shouldn't this be on the agenda for your next Thursday pillage party?
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O Pharaoh!
Just when I think my puny mortality has compassed your genius, you do that!
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Hi DOC,
I saw this on reddit today.
Thought it was appropriate to our conversation.

http://i.imgur.com/n5KnR.jpg
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If I really like chocolate? That's a bit like asking DOC if he really likes fallacious argument.
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Let me know if you're in Dublin, my favourite cafe/bakery is experimenting with quintuple choc muffins......
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Hi DOC,
I saw this on reddit today.
Thought it was appropriate to our conversation.

http://i.imgur.com/n5KnR.jpg


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Old 28th April 2012, 06:58 AM   #2394
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If I had any wine left in this bottle I'd raise it to you for your tenure, joobz. Sadly the wine is gone but my congratulations are no less heartfelt.

Say, did we get any fulfilled prophecy yet? No? Ah well, I'll stick around for the pictures.
I prophecy that you will get a filled wine bottle soon.

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Old 28th April 2012, 07:10 AM   #2395
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Asking nicely to send it? Shouldn't this be on the agenda for your next Thursday pillage party?
Ooops, see, that's what happens when you forget about your religion, you start being nice
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Let me know if you're in Dublin, my favourite cafe/bakery is experimenting with quintuple choc muffins......
Quintuple choc? Oh yes, I'll let you know, never fear
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Old 28th April 2012, 07:44 AM   #2396
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Ooops, see, that's what happens when you forget about your religion, you start being nice

Quintuple choc? Oh yes, I'll let you know, never fear
But will they top Belgian Truffles?
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Old 28th April 2012, 07:48 AM   #2397
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Originally Posted by dafydd View Post
But will they top Belgian Truffles?
So I'll go to Belgium after Dublin. Simple. Chocolate should never be a question of either/or.

But I think, think, mind you, it's hard to know for sure, that this is sligtly ot (although some would say that chocolate can't be ot).

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Old 28th April 2012, 07:55 AM   #2398
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O Pharaoh!
Just when I think my puny mortality has compassed your genius, you do that!
In true "Bazing Saddles" mode - Ditto!
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If I really like chocolate? That's a bit like asking DOC if he really likes fallacious argument.
Hmmm...
Chocolates or Docolates?

No brainer...
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Oh - and I'm a Tim Callaghan et al fan as well....

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