Convince me that a nuclear Iran would pose a grave threat to Israel - Page 11

trustbutverify · 11th April 2012, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

But what hurts even more, because they are stronger in numbers, is that Propaganda Victims, Imperialists, payed Pre$$titudes and good old ordinary Fascists will blame Iran no matter what it does.

Yea, you hold one holocaust deniers festival, and get into bed with one white supremacist, and no one lets you forget it!

Virus · 11th April 2012, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

But what hurts even more, because they are stronger in numbers, is that Propaganda Victims, Imperialists, payed Pre$$titudes and good old ordinary Fascists will blame Iran no matter what it does.

Well it is their fault. They initiated hostilities.

JihadJane · 13th April 2012, 02:33 AM

Blah blah blah bomb Iran.

Childlike Empress · 13th April 2012, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by Virus

Well it is their fault. They initiated hostilities.

You mean the peaceful revolution against the CIA-installed thug Shah Whatshisname? That was rude, I admit.

Virus · 13th April 2012, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

You mean the peaceful revolution against the CIA-installed thug Shah Whatshisname? That was rude, I admit.

I was actually talking about how they initiated hostilities with Israel.

Virus · 13th April 2012, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Blah blah blah bomb Iran.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...7f3456a26a.jpg

Maybe you could put up a picture of Israeli kids with the caption "Please don't shoot missiles at us". Since Iran is fighting a proxy war with Israel via Hamas and Hezbollah, who target civilians.

But wait a second, you support that don't you?

Childlike Empress · 13th April 2012, 04:49 AM

Oliver · 13th April 2012, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...8125addbd6.jpg

Cute

bigjelmapro · 13th April 2012, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Blah blah blah bomb Iran.

The Iranians employ underaged girls in nuclear sites in Iran nowadays?

I find it comical that somehow in the worst case scenario that Israel were to attack Iranian nuclear sites this would somehow equate to carpet bombing all the cities and towns in Iran.

As far as I know, the Iranians are not like those terrorists running Gaza building their weapons factories within densely populated urban areas.

Try again.

bigjelmapro · 13th April 2012, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...8125addbd6.jpg

At least they didn't strap it to the girls eh? Says the fangirl of Hamas/Hezbollah...

Darth Rotor · 13th April 2012, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Blah blah blah bomb Iran.

JihadJane, closet baby killer.

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Virus · 14th April 2012, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...8125addbd6.jpg

They're writing "To Nasrallah with love". It was taken during the second Lebanon war which Hezbollah started. Hezbollah fired rockets at civilian targets while hiding behind human shields. Israel was defending itself.

Nasrallah is the leader of a designated terrorist organization with a fascist ideology that calls for suicidal, religious warfare against Jews. Their greatest hero is a guy who smashed in a kids face with a rifle butt.

But you're not interested in facts or the truth. Your agenda is to obscure discussion and deflect criticism from the sick, evil people you support.

trustbutverify · 14th April 2012, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Virus

They're writing "To Nasrallah with love". It was taken during the second Lebanon war which Hezbollah started. Hezbollah fired rockets at civilian targets while hiding behind human shields. Israel was defending itself.

Nasrallah is the leader of a designated terrorist organization with a fascist ideology that calls for suicidal, religious warfare against Jews. Their greatest hero is a guy who smashed in a kids face with a rifle butt.
But you're not interested in facts or the truth. Your agenda is to obscure discussion and deflect criticism from the sick, evil people you support.

You think CE and her squadron of truther half wits didn't celebrate his release?

Childlike Empress · 14th April 2012, 06:46 PM

I was sure I could count on you to justify the sick and evil - under all circumstances - act of brainwashing kids into signing missiles/bombs "with love".

bigjelmapro · 15th April 2012, 01:36 AM

Hapless moral equivalence. Don't think anybody here is brainwashed other than CE and JJ.

As usual, these two miss the concept of context:

Putting things in perspective

Quote:

...
On the day that photo was taken, the girls had emerged from the underground bomb shelters for the first time in five days. A new army unit had just arrived in the town and was preparing to shell the area across the border. The unit attracted the attention of twelve photojournalists - Israeli and foreign. The girls and their families gathered around to check out the big attraction in the small town - foreigners. They were relieved and probably a little giddy at being outside in the fresh air for the first time in days. They were probably happy to talk to people. And they enjoyed the attention of the photographers.

Apparently one or some of the parents wrote messages in Hebrew and English on the tank shells to Nasrallah. "To Nasrallah with love," they wrote to the man whose name was for them a devilish image on television - the man who mockingly told Israelis, via speeches that were broadcast on Al Manar and Israeli television, that Hezbollah was preparing to launch even more missiles at them. That he was happy they were suffering.

The photograpers gathered around. Twelve of them. Do you know how many that is? It's a lot. And they were all simultaneously leaning in with their long camera lenses, clicking the shutter over and over. The parents handed the markers to the kids and they drew little Israeli flags on the shells. Photographers look for striking images, and what is more striking than pretty, innocent little girls contrasted with the ugliness of war? The camera shutters clicked away, and I guess those kids must have felt like stars, especially since the diversion came after they'd been alternately bored and terrified as they waited out the shelling in their bomb shelters.

Shelly emphasized several times that none of the parents or children had expressed any hatred toward the Lebanese people. No-one expressed any satisfaction at knowing that Lebanese were dying - just as Israelis are dying. Their messages were directed at Nasrallah. None of those people was detached or wise enough to think: "Hang on, tank shell equals death of human beings." They were thinking, tank shell equals stopping the missiles that land on my house. Tank shells will stop that man with the turban from threatening to kill us.
...

I'm sure this context will all but be ignored in regular fashion as we rotate on to the next talking points pretending the previous don't exist.

JihadJane · 15th April 2012, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Virus

Maybe you could put up a picture of Israeli kids with the caption "Please don't shoot missiles at us". Since Iran is fighting a proxy war with Israel via Hamas and Hezbollah, who target civilians.

But wait a second, you support that don't you?

Feel free to do so yourself but you won't, will you, because you hate children, don't you?

Dcdrac · 15th April 2012, 09:48 AM

Maybe if people stopped shooting they could start talking, mind you they probably are behind the scenes, if the cycle is never broken than all that will happen is children on both sides getting killed over and over and over while people point fingers at each other and say they started it......

Virus · 15th April 2012, 12:59 PM

Hezbollah did start it. They're evil.

Moss · 15th April 2012, 01:03 PM

Arguably it's become irrelevant who started it. Relevant is who is willing to make a compromise to end it peaceably.

bigjelmapro · 15th April 2012, 01:04 PM

There is no cycle.

Israel could care less what the Lebanese, Gazans, Syrians, Iraqi, Iranians, etc. do just as long as they keep it to within their borders. If there's no attacking Israel, be it directly or via their proxies, there would be no issue. No Israeli involvement.

A bit of a grey area would be if a country in the region is about to collapse into anarchy, ie Syria as with their biological/chemical weapons, the largests in the ME/African/Near East area and the ballistic missiles to deliver them, and their delivery to terrorist organizations like Hezbollah.

This would be a massive increase in conventional weaponry, not the dribs and drabs which has been happening for decades already.

I think the bigger issue, apart from the issues themselves, is how governments and people in general in the international community, approach such conflict zones. Fallaciously labelling this as a 'cycle of violence', an argument of who 'started it' or what have you, is where people go wrong.

And that somehow dealing with terrorist organizations or the states that support them (ie Iran/Syria) will get you anywhere....

'Hi, we want to kill you all and rip your country to shreds', 'No, please, take some land, a boatload of terrorist prisoners in exchange for the toes and dead bodies of IDF soliders, and millions of dollars in humantarian aid and let's be friends'.

Virus · 15th April 2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Moss

Arguably it's become irrelevant who started it. Relevant is who is willing to make a compromise to end it peaceably.

It does matter. Hezbollah are terrorists. They exist for the sole purpose of terrorizing people.

Virus · 15th April 2012, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

I was sure I could count on you to justify the sick and evil - under all circumstances - act of brainwashing kids into signing missiles/bombs "with love".

Nasrallah is a punk and I couldn't care less if a rocket hit his bunker.

JihadJane · 16th April 2012, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by Virus

It does matter. Hezbollah are terrorists. They exist for the sole purpose of terrorizing people.

Originally Posted by Virus

Nasrallah is a punk and I couldn't care less if a rocket hit his bunker.

Why do you support terrorism, Virus?

I love playschool politics.

bigjelmapro · 16th April 2012, 05:04 AM

Says the terrorist supporter

trustbutverify · 16th April 2012, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

I love playschool politics.

Yes, I got that.

Virus · 16th April 2012, 02:26 PM

Why do you support Hezbollah, Hamas and believe the CIA was in on 9/11 Jane?

JihadJane · 17th April 2012, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Virus

Why do you support Hezbollah, Hamas and believe the CIA was in on 9/11 Jane?

Why do you cook, skin and then eat the babies, Virus?

Virus · 17th April 2012, 04:06 AM

Now that I've got your attention do you admit Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism? Do you admit they initiated hostilities with Israel?

If you can't acknowledge square one why bother discussing it at all?

Dcdrac · 17th April 2012, 09:07 AM

Instead of wasting time saying they started it, or they cannot be tallked with and trading insults would it not be far more useful to find a wa forward and don't jsut say they will not talk, I bet they are right now talking, just like the Unionists and Nationalists in Northern Ireland were talking with each other for years and years on a daily basis

Virus · 17th April 2012, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Dcdrac

Instead of wasting time saying they started it, or they cannot be tallked with and trading insults would it not be far more useful to find a wa forward and don't jsut say they will not talk, I bet they are right now talking, just like the Unionists and Nationalists in Northern Ireland were talking with each other for years and years on a daily basis

Lebanon has the death penalty for talking to an Israeli.

Oliver · 23rd April 2012, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro

Says the terrorist supporter

Says the terrorist supporter.

We could go on and on like this, the reality still is that both sides are on the wrong path to archive any positive outcome.

Anyone disagreeing in downright partisanship?

Polaris · 23rd April 2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Virus

Lebanon has the death penalty for talking to an Israeli.

Sorry but....I need evidence here.

Oliver · 23rd April 2012, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Polaris

Sorry but....I need evidence here.

Maybe he's talking about a spy case?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/lebanon-...spies-1.284115

Polaris · 24th April 2012, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

Maybe he's talking about a spy case?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/lebanon-...spies-1.284115

I'll let him answer the question and not presume.

Virus · 25th April 2012, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by Polaris

Sorry but....I need evidence here.

It's in Michael Totten's book Road to Fatima Gate.

I don't have that book on me right now but one of his articles on the net mentions it.

Quote:

“What do you think of ordinary people on the other side?” I said.

“Every day I wave at Lebanese people,” he said.

“Do they ever wave back?” I said.

“Not usually, no,” he said. “They are cold. A few are friendly, though.”

“Do you know why most of them are cold?” I said. It’s unclear how much Israelis know about why things are the way they are inside Lebanon. He already knew I had been living in Beirut, and he could tell by the tone of my voice that I knew the answer.

“I don’t know,” he said. “Why?”

“Because waving hello to an Israeli is treason,” I said.

He looked startled and more than a little disturbed.

“I didn’t know that,” he said. “Some wave hello to me anyway. Do you know why?” I didn’t. “Because they are my friends. They know me. We used to work together when the border was open.”

Virus · 25th April 2012, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

I was sure I could count on you to justify the sick and evil - under all circumstances - act of brainwashing kids into signing missiles/bombs "with love".

What do you have to say about Hamas and Hezbollah's cult of martyrdom which they raise children on in schools?

Dcdrac · 25th April 2012, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

Says the terrorist supporter.

We could go on and on like this, the reality still is that both sides are on the wrong path to archive any positive outcome.

Anyone disagreeing in downright partisanship?

you are right, both sides saying they strted it, no they did, no you did, or you cannot talk with them they are this that and the other.....

Or they did this and that so they cannot be talked with.

Theres always room to talk to get the shooting to stop and not being willing to do so on both sides will only lead to more pointless deaths on both sides.

Virus · 25th April 2012, 01:23 PM

Well Hezbollah's slogan is "death to Israel". They come out in mass rallies to chant it like fascists. I don't know what you imagine they're going to talk about or why you think a group who's popularity and funding rests on killing Jews is going to give that up.

bigjelmapro · 26th April 2012, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Dcdrac

you are right, both sides saying they strted it, no they did, no you did, or you cannot talk with them they are this that and the other.....

Or they did this and that so they cannot be talked with.

Theres always room to talk to get the shooting to stop and not being willing to do so on both sides will only lead to more pointless deaths on both sides.

Refer to previous, and Virus mentioned a few good talking points as well.

At the moment, you sound like a broken record. Best you get in touch with reality.

JihadJane · 28th April 2012, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by Virus

It's in Michael Totten's book Road to Fatima Gate.

I don't have that book on me right now but one of his articles on the net mentions it.

You call that evidence?

11th April 2012, 08:22 PM	#402
Virus Master Templar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 6,198	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress But what hurts even more, because they are stronger in numbers, is that Propaganda Victims, Imperialists, payed Pre$$titudes and good old ordinary Fascists will blame Iran no matter what it does. Well it is their fault. They initiated hostilities.
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13th April 2012, 02:33 AM	#403
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,708	Blah blah blah bomb Iran.
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13th April 2012, 03:08 AM	#404
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 7,833	Originally Posted by Virus Well it is their fault. They initiated hostilities. You mean the peaceful revolution against the CIA-installed thug Shah Whatshisname? That was rude, I admit.
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13th April 2012, 04:04 AM	#405
Virus Master Templar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 6,198	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress You mean the peaceful revolution against the CIA-installed thug Shah Whatshisname? That was rude, I admit. I was actually talking about how they initiated hostilities with Israel.
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13th April 2012, 04:37 AM	#406
Virus Master Templar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 6,198	Originally Posted by JihadJane Blah blah blah bomb Iran. http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...7f3456a26a.jpg Maybe you could put up a picture of Israeli kids with the caption "Please don't shoot missiles at us". Since Iran is fighting a proxy war with Israel via Hamas and Hezbollah, who target civilians. But wait a second, you support that don't you?
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11th April 2012, 06:50 PM	#401
trustbutverify Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,104	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress But what hurts even more, because they are stronger in numbers, is that Propaganda Victims, Imperialists, payed Pre$$titudes and good old ordinary Fascists will blame Iran no matter what it does. Yea, you hold one holocaust deniers festival, and get into bed with one white supremacist, and no one lets you forget it!

13th April 2012, 04:49 AM	#407
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13th April 2012, 05:28 AM	#408
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...8125addbd6.jpg Cute
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13th April 2012, 08:10 AM	#409
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Originally Posted by JihadJane Blah blah blah bomb Iran. The Iranians employ underaged girls in nuclear sites in Iran nowadays? I find it comical that somehow in the worst case scenario that Israel were to attack Iranian nuclear sites this would somehow equate to carpet bombing all the cities and towns in Iran. As far as I know, the Iranians are not like those terrorists running Gaza building their weapons factories within densely populated urban areas. Try again.
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13th April 2012, 08:14 AM	#410
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...8125addbd6.jpg At least they didn't strap it to the girls eh? Says the fangirl of Hamas/Hezbollah...
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13th April 2012, 05:43 PM	#411
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,261	Originally Posted by JihadJane Blah blah blah bomb Iran. JihadJane, closet baby killer. Preserved for posterity.
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14th April 2012, 01:53 AM	#412
Virus Master Templar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 6,198	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...8125addbd6.jpg They're writing "To Nasrallah with love". It was taken during the second Lebanon war which Hezbollah started. Hezbollah fired rockets at civilian targets while hiding behind human shields. Israel was defending itself. Nasrallah is the leader of a designated terrorist organization with a fascist ideology that calls for suicidal, religious warfare against Jews. Their greatest hero is a guy who smashed in a kids face with a rifle butt. But you're not interested in facts or the truth. Your agenda is to obscure discussion and deflect criticism from the sick, evil people you support.
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14th April 2012, 09:00 AM	#413
trustbutverify Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,104	Originally Posted by Virus They're writing "To Nasrallah with love". It was taken during the second Lebanon war which Hezbollah started. Hezbollah fired rockets at civilian targets while hiding behind human shields. Israel was defending itself. Nasrallah is the leader of a designated terrorist organization with a fascist ideology that calls for suicidal, religious warfare against Jews. Their greatest hero is a guy who smashed in a kids face with a rifle butt. But you're not interested in facts or the truth. Your agenda is to obscure discussion and deflect criticism from the sick, evil people you support. You think CE and her squadron of truther half wits didn't celebrate his release?
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14th April 2012, 06:46 PM	#414
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 7,833	I was sure I could count on you to justify the sick and evil - under all circumstances - act of brainwashing kids into signing missiles/bombs "with love".
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15th April 2012, 01:36 AM	#415
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Hapless moral equivalence. Don't think anybody here is brainwashed other than CE and JJ. As usual, these two miss the concept of context: Putting things in perspective Quote: ... On the day that photo was taken, the girls had emerged from the underground bomb shelters for the first time in five days. A new army unit had just arrived in the town and was preparing to shell the area across the border. The unit attracted the attention of twelve photojournalists - Israeli and foreign. The girls and their families gathered around to check out the big attraction in the small town - foreigners. They were relieved and probably a little giddy at being outside in the fresh air for the first time in days. They were probably happy to talk to people. And they enjoyed the attention of the photographers. Apparently one or some of the parents wrote messages in Hebrew and English on the tank shells to Nasrallah. "To Nasrallah with love," they wrote to the man whose name was for them a devilish image on television - the man who mockingly told Israelis, via speeches that were broadcast on Al Manar and Israeli television, that Hezbollah was preparing to launch even more missiles at them. That he was happy they were suffering. The photograpers gathered around. Twelve of them. Do you know how many that is? It's a lot. And they were all simultaneously leaning in with their long camera lenses, clicking the shutter over and over. The parents handed the markers to the kids and they drew little Israeli flags on the shells. Photographers look for striking images, and what is more striking than pretty, innocent little girls contrasted with the ugliness of war? The camera shutters clicked away, and I guess those kids must have felt like stars, especially since the diversion came after they'd been alternately bored and terrified as they waited out the shelling in their bomb shelters. Shelly emphasized several times that none of the parents or children had expressed any hatred toward the Lebanese people. No-one expressed any satisfaction at knowing that Lebanese were dying - just as Israelis are dying. Their messages were directed at Nasrallah. None of those people was detached or wise enough to think: "Hang on, tank shell equals death of human beings." They were thinking, tank shell equals stopping the missiles that land on my house. Tank shells will stop that man with the turban from threatening to kill us. ... I'm sure this context will all but be ignored in regular fashion as we rotate on to the next talking points pretending the previous don't exist.
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15th April 2012, 02:29 AM	#416
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,708	Originally Posted by Virus Maybe you could put up a picture of Israeli kids with the caption "Please don't shoot missiles at us". Since Iran is fighting a proxy war with Israel via Hamas and Hezbollah, who target civilians. But wait a second, you support that don't you? Feel free to do so yourself but you won't, will you, because you hate children, don't you?
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15th April 2012, 09:48 AM	#417
Dcdrac Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,666	Maybe if people stopped shooting they could start talking, mind you they probably are behind the scenes, if the cycle is never broken than all that will happen is children on both sides getting killed over and over and over while people point fingers at each other and say they started it......
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15th April 2012, 12:59 PM	#418
Virus Master Templar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 6,198	Hezbollah did start it. They're evil.
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15th April 2012, 01:03 PM	#419
Moss Dramatocrat Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Heiligsblechle country Posts: 3,229	Arguably it's become irrelevant who started it. Relevant is who is willing to make a compromise to end it peaceably.

15th April 2012, 01:04 PM	#420
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	There is no cycle. Israel could care less what the Lebanese, Gazans, Syrians, Iraqi, Iranians, etc. do just as long as they keep it to within their borders. If there's no attacking Israel, be it directly or via their proxies, there would be no issue. No Israeli involvement. A bit of a grey area would be if a country in the region is about to collapse into anarchy, ie Syria as with their biological/chemical weapons, the largests in the ME/African/Near East area and the ballistic missiles to deliver them, and their delivery to terrorist organizations like Hezbollah. This would be a massive increase in conventional weaponry, not the dribs and drabs which has been happening for decades already. I think the bigger issue, apart from the issues themselves, is how governments and people in general in the international community, approach such conflict zones. Fallaciously labelling this as a 'cycle of violence', an argument of who 'started it' or what have you, is where people go wrong. And that somehow dealing with terrorist organizations or the states that support them (ie Iran/Syria) will get you anywhere.... 'Hi, we want to kill you all and rip your country to shreds', 'No, please, take some land, a boatload of terrorist prisoners in exchange for the toes and dead bodies of IDF soliders, and millions of dollars in humantarian aid and let's be friends'.
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15th April 2012, 01:37 PM	#421
Virus Master Templar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 6,198	Originally Posted by Moss Arguably it's become irrelevant who started it. Relevant is who is willing to make a compromise to end it peaceably. It does matter. Hezbollah are terrorists. They exist for the sole purpose of terrorizing people.
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15th April 2012, 08:53 PM	#422
Virus Master Templar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 6,198	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress I was sure I could count on you to justify the sick and evil - under all circumstances - act of brainwashing kids into signing missiles/bombs "with love". Nasrallah is a punk and I couldn't care less if a rocket hit his bunker.
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16th April 2012, 02:55 AM	#423
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,708	Originally Posted by Virus It does matter. Hezbollah are terrorists. They exist for the sole purpose of terrorizing people. Originally Posted by Virus Nasrallah is a punk and I couldn't care less if a rocket hit his bunker. Why do you support terrorism, Virus? I love playschool politics.
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16th April 2012, 05:04 AM	#424
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Says the terrorist supporter
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16th April 2012, 06:25 AM	#425
trustbutverify Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,104	Originally Posted by JihadJane I love playschool politics. Yes, I got that.

16th April 2012, 02:26 PM	#426
Virus Master Templar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 6,198	Why do you support Hezbollah, Hamas and believe the CIA was in on 9/11 Jane?
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17th April 2012, 02:06 AM	#427
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,708	Originally Posted by Virus Why do you support Hezbollah, Hamas and believe the CIA was in on 9/11 Jane? Why do you cook, skin and then eat the babies, Virus?
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17th April 2012, 04:06 AM	#428
Virus Master Templar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 6,198	Now that I've got your attention do you admit Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism? Do you admit they initiated hostilities with Israel? If you can't acknowledge square one why bother discussing it at all?
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17th April 2012, 09:07 AM	#429
Dcdrac Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,666	Instead of wasting time saying they started it, or they cannot be tallked with and trading insults would it not be far more useful to find a wa forward and don't jsut say they will not talk, I bet they are right now talking, just like the Unionists and Nationalists in Northern Ireland were talking with each other for years and years on a daily basis
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17th April 2012, 03:08 PM	#430
Virus Master Templar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 6,198	Originally Posted by Dcdrac Instead of wasting time saying they started it, or they cannot be tallked with and trading insults would it not be far more useful to find a wa forward and don't jsut say they will not talk, I bet they are right now talking, just like the Unionists and Nationalists in Northern Ireland were talking with each other for years and years on a daily basis Lebanon has the death penalty for talking to an Israeli.
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23rd April 2012, 01:19 PM	#431
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by bigjelmapro Says the terrorist supporter Says the terrorist supporter. We could go on and on like this, the reality still is that both sides are on the wrong path to archive any positive outcome. Anyone disagreeing in downright partisanship?
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23rd April 2012, 02:00 PM	#432
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,167	Originally Posted by Virus Lebanon has the death penalty for talking to an Israeli. Sorry but....I need evidence here.
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23rd April 2012, 02:05 PM	#433
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by Polaris Sorry but....I need evidence here. Maybe he's talking about a spy case? http://www.haaretz.com/news/lebanon-...spies-1.284115
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24th April 2012, 06:41 AM	#434
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,167	Originally Posted by Oliver Maybe he's talking about a spy case? http://www.haaretz.com/news/lebanon-...spies-1.284115 I'll let him answer the question and not presume.
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,167	__________________ "There's vastly more truth to be found in rocks than in holy books. Rocks are far superior, in fact, because you can DEMONSTRATE the truth found in rocks. Plus, they're pretty. Holy books are just heavy." - Dinwar "Roy Moore of Alabama. The world would absolutely benefit by him being run over by any vehicle." - Lowpro

25th April 2012, 05:48 AM	#435
Virus Master Templar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 6,198	Originally Posted by Polaris Sorry but....I need evidence here. It's in Michael Totten's book Road to Fatima Gate. I don't have that book on me right now but one of his articles on the net mentions it. Quote: “What do you think of ordinary people on the other side?” I said. “Every day I wave at Lebanese people,” he said. “Do they ever wave back?” I said. “Not usually, no,” he said. “They are cold. A few are friendly, though.” “Do you know why most of them are cold?” I said. It’s unclear how much Israelis know about why things are the way they are inside Lebanon. He already knew I had been living in Beirut, and he could tell by the tone of my voice that I knew the answer. “I don’t know,” he said. “Why?” “Because waving hello to an Israeli is treason,” I said. He looked startled and more than a little disturbed. “I didn’t know that,” he said. “Some wave hello to me anyway. Do you know why?” I didn’t. “Because they are my friends. They know me. We used to work together when the border was open.”
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