We're all made from crosses?

NoahFence · 28th April 2012, 12:40 PM

From the facebooks I find one of my friends requesting that video where that guy talks about how we're all made from crosses. Someone found it and posted it:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

I guess the obvious question is, how do Budhists, Jews, Muslims or anybody who doesn't recognize the cross as a symbol of their religion stay put together? Are christians really so self-centered they they believe this crap?

fuelair · 28th April 2012, 12:44 PM

Some. Suspect most haven't heard this nonsense.

NoahFence · 28th April 2012, 12:49 PM

Its the first I've heard of it. My friend was so eager to discuss how great our God is and how he warms our hearts, but felt it was off topic to question why our great God allows millions of kids to starve.

Its crap like that that drove me from the church. Also the Baptist minister that said my mother was going to hell because she was Catholic and didn't actually say the words "I accept Jesus as my personal savior".

I told him to go (bleep) himself and have been rational ever since.

Darth Rotor · 28th April 2012, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Its the first I've heard of it. My friend was so eager to discuss how great our God is and how he warms our hearts, but felt it was off topic to question why our great God allows millions of kids to starve.

Its crap like that that drove me from the church. Also the Baptist minister that said my mother was going to hell because she was Catholic and didn't actually say the words "I accept Jesus as my personal savior".

I told him to go (bleep) himself and have been rational ever since.

How did he know she didn't say that?

He sounds like your little bon mot needed saying.

As to "we are all made of crosses" I had always heard it as

We all have our own cross to bear.

Oh well.

Plus, I think Hindi are all made of little cows.

Seismosaurus · 28th April 2012, 01:20 PM

This is the one about some... protein or something? And it functions to help cells maintain their membrane or something. When it's drawn out, it's in the shape of a christian cross. Some christians seem to find this terribly significant, and as I recall they even found some bible verse that they interpret to support it. Or something.

ETA : Found it. It's Laminin.

mijopaalmc · 28th April 2012, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Seismosaurus

This is the one about some... protein or something? And it functions to help cells maintain their membrane or something. When it's drawn out, it's in the shape of a christian cross. Some christians seem to find this terribly significant, and as I recall they even found some bible verse that they interpret to support it. Or something.

ETA : Found it. It's Laminin.

So "crosses hold is together"?

Elypsis44 · 28th April 2012, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Seismosaurus

This is the one about some... protein or something? And it functions to help cells maintain their membrane or something. When it's drawn out, it's in the shape of a christian cross. Some christians seem to find this terribly significant, and as I recall they even found some bible verse that they interpret to support it. Or something.

ETA : Found it. It's Laminin.

Earthborn · 28th April 2012, 02:04 PM

Luckily, we can always trust on Answers In Genesis to debunk this sort of nonsense.

Marduk · 28th April 2012, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Earthborn

Luckily, we can always trust on Answers In Genesis to debunk this sort of nonsense.

great article, I especially liked

Quote:

Only if we start with the Bible as our ultimate standard can we have a worldview that is rational and makes sense of the evidence (see Atheism: An Irrational Worldview and Evolution: The Anti-science).

just can't leave it alone can they
and

Quote:

God designed laminin in the shape of a cross and gave it the particular function of “glue” in the body so that we can know (in his words) the truth that Christ holds all things together.

very star warsy isn't it, I recall Obi Won Kenobi saying something similar

Quote:

something outside of Scripture (in this case, laminin) is vital to know the truthfulness of a biblical truth

Thus Star Wars proves the Bible
Hallelujah brothers

fuelair · 28th April 2012, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Its the first I've heard of it. My friend was so eager to discuss how great our God is and how he warms our hearts, but felt it was off topic to question why our great God allows millions of kids to starve.

Its crap like that that drove me from the church. Also the Baptist minister that said my mother was going to hell because she was Catholic and didn't actually say the words "I accept Jesus as my personal savior".

I told him to go (bleep) himself and have been rational ever since.

Soooooooo, did he?

Earthborn · 28th April 2012, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Marduk

great article, I especially liked

Quote:

Only if we start with the Bible as our ultimate standard can we have a worldview that is rational and makes sense of the evidence (see Atheism: An Irrational Worldview and Evolution: The Anti-science).

just can't leave it alone can they

Oh, sure. They have some nutty views...

Quote:

and

Quote:

God designed laminin in the shape of a cross and gave it the particular function of “glue” in the body so that we can know (in his words) the truth that Christ holds all things together.

very star warsy isn't it, I recall Obi Won Kenobi saying something similar

Quote:

something outside of Scripture (in this case, laminin) is vital to know the truthfulness of a biblical truth

Note that the things you quoted are views the article argues against.

Brainache · 28th April 2012, 03:52 PM

And DNA is kinda like a multi-coloured snakey thing, therefore the Rainbow Serpent is the real god ...er... or something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Serpent

welshdean · 28th April 2012, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Soooooooo, did he?

Typically no. He possibly picked on a young lad.

Marduk · 28th April 2012, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Earthborn

Oh, sure. They have some nutty views...

Note that the things you quoted are views the article argues against.

of course
thats the accepted way to argue scripture as I understand it, isn't it ?
or am I doing it wrong
or are you ?
or is the pope

Lord Emsworth · 28th April 2012, 04:26 PM

I wonder what they make of ... uhh ... Kreuzspinnen. (I don't know how to exactly translate that to English. Maybe Araneus is the best match?) Literally the name Kreuzspinne means "Cross Spider". They are called that because, well see for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ar...iadematus2.jpg

www.google.com/search?q=kreuzspinnen

Marduk · 28th April 2012, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Lord Emsworth

I wonder what they make of ... uhh ... Kreuzspinnen. (I don't know how to exactly translate that to English. Maybe Araneus is the best match?) Literally the name Kreuzspinne means "Cross Spider". They are called that because, well see for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ar...iadematus2.jpg

www.google.com/search?q=kreuzspinnen

would you like some toast
http://jesustoasters.com/

Skeptic Ginger · 28th April 2012, 04:43 PM

I've heard of this silliness quite a few years ago. If you look at the molecule differently it's an X. I say it's Satan's work.

BTW, if you look at the actual molecules, they do not line up like neat little crosses. They are quite squiggly.

I think you can see from the scientific images that laminin looks more like a "peace sign" than a Christian cross.

Lord Emsworth · 28th April 2012, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

I've heard of this silliness quite a few years ago. If you look at the molecule differently it's an X. I say it's Satan's work.

X? You surely mean the Greek letter Chi (Χ, χ).

AvalonXQ · 28th April 2012, 05:59 PM

Yeah, they tried to use that one at my church. I didn't buy it.

NoahFence · 28th April 2012, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Soooooooo, did he?

Not sure. My best guess is that he go (bleeped) an underage boy or something.

Nay_Sayer · 28th April 2012, 06:52 PM

To the Left a Diagram of laminin, In the middle a More accurate one and to the left what actual laminin looks like, Which, Hold your hats, Looks nothing like a cross.

Leumas · 28th April 2012, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

From the facebooks I find one of my friends requesting that video where that guy talks about how we're all made from crosses. Someone found it and posted it:

I guess the obvious question is, how do Budhists, Jews, Muslims or anybody who doesn't recognize the cross as a symbol of their religion stay put together? Are christians really so self-centered they they believe this crap?

Your video link did not work for me.

But if it is as others have said about the Laminin thingy then I have debunked this a while back in this PDF document.

It's a load of hogwash yet again.

As I show in this PDF document even if we grant the assertion for argument's sake that Laminin does look like a cross (it does not as I show in the PDF) then if anything it is a proof for the Greek and Egyptian gods and not Jesus at all because it looks more like the Caduceus associated with the god Hermes or the Ankh, the symbol for life, which many Egyptian gods were depicted wearing as a pendent or holding it in their hand like a miter.

Or maybe Hermes was Jesus? Or Was Osiris, Jesus? Hermes, too, was a messenger God. Osiris, too, was killed by his enemies and was resurrected after three days. Coincidences, or are pagan gods manifestations of God and Jesus was but one of numerous experiments in divine masquerading?

Stomatopoda · 29th April 2012, 06:41 AM

They had to go that far to find some intersecting lines? Well, carbon rings look like hexagrams, so I guess that proves the Old Testament!

Marduk · 29th April 2012, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Leumas

It's a load of hogwash yet again.

As I show in this PDF document even if we grant the assertion for argument's sake that Laminin does look like a cross (it does not as I show in the PDF) then if anything it is a proof for the Greek and Egyptian gods and not Jesus at all because it looks more like the Caduceus associated with the god Hermes or the [b][I

"It's a load of hogwash yet again."

The Caduceus started off as a symbol of Ningishzida before it appears in egypt during the Hellenic period and before Greece emerged as a culture in its own right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus#Ancient_Near_East

Quote:

the prototype of Hermes was an "Oriental deity of Babylonian extraction" represented in his earliest form as a snake god. From this perspective, the caduceus was originally representative of Hermes himself, in his early form as the Underworld god Ningishzida, "messenger" of the "Earth Mother".[11] The caduceus is mentioned in passing by Walter Burkert[12] as "really the image of copulating snakes taken over from Ancient Near Eastern tradition".

thus the Bible proves mesopotamian polytheism

Gord_in_Toronto · 29th April 2012, 01:57 PM

Just like the hymn from my childhood - Gladly the cross-eyed bear.

Multivac · 30th April 2012, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Just like the hymn from my childhood - Gladly the cross-eyed bear.

That doesn't sound very christian. Singing about a bear that can't see properly becuase he is cross-eyed. Calling the bear "Gladly" is just rubbing salt into the wound.

MRC_Hans · 30th April 2012, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

I've heard of this silliness quite a few years ago. If you look at the molecule differently it's an X. I say it's Satan's work.

BTW, if you look at the actual molecules, they do not line up like neat little crosses. They are quite squiggly.

I think you can see from the scientific images that laminin looks more like a "peace sign" than a Christian cross.

So, let me get this straight: An important (I assume) protein is roughly cross-shaped? But this was created before Jesus was even born? Before, as I recall, God found that mankind needed saving and sent his son to be crucified. At the 6th day of Genesis (or earlier, as animals probably also have this protein), God decided to introduce the shape of a later Roman torture instrument in the design, as a sign that would only be noticed 6 thousand years later?

... I suppose that makes as much sense as the rest. .....

Hans

Gord_in_Toronto · 30th April 2012, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

So, let me get this straight: An important (I assume) protein is roughly cross-shaped? But this was created before Jesus was even born? Before, as I recall, God found that mankind needed saving and sent his son to be crucified. At the 6th day of Genesis (or earlier, as animals probably also have this protein), God decided to introduce the shape of a later Roman torture instrument in the design, as a sign that would only be noticed 6 thousand years later?

... I suppose that makes as much sense as the rest. .....

Hans

YES!!! Isn't OUR ALL POWERFUL LORD so absolutely AWESOME!!!

Or sumptin'.

Skeptic Ginger · 30th April 2012, 02:21 PM

Marduk · 30th April 2012, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

So, let me get this straight: An important (I assume) protein is roughly cross-shaped? But this was created before Jesus was even born? Before, as I recall, God found that mankind needed saving and sent his son to be crucified. At the 6th day of Genesis (or earlier, as animals probably also have this protein), God decided to introduce the shape of a later Roman torture instrument in the design, as a sign that would only be noticed 6 thousand years later?

... I suppose that makes as much sense as the rest. .....

Hans

nope, crosses were originally used to represent the passage of the sun through four seasons, there's examples from about 9000 bce in Armenia

so what you said + 5000 years, thats some damn fine forward planning, but surely it would have been easier if he'd just arranged to have Jesus crucified on a double helix, they've been around since around 2500bce, so he could have taken a few thousand years off, or is he doing that right now ?

Darth Rotor · 30th April 2012, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

To the Left a Diagram of laminin, In the middle a More accurate one and to the left what actual laminin looks like, Which, Hold your hats, Looks nothing like a cross.

The one on the right looks like a stripper with only one leg.

Originally Posted by Multivac

That doesn't sound very christian. Singing about a bear that can't see properly becuase he is cross-eyed. Calling the bear "Gladly" is just rubbing salt into the wound.

Just a bit of syncretism to get the Chieftan of the Clan of the Cave Bear into the Baptismal pool, so that he'd become Gladly the Salt of the Earth.

Weak Kitten · 30th April 2012, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Brainache

And DNA is kinda like a multi-coloured snakey thing, therefore the Rainbow Serpent is the real god ...er... or something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Serpent

Woohoo! All hail Yurlungur, bringer of life!

May he bring the rains once more!

blobru · 30th April 2012, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

From the facebooks I find one of my friends requesting that video where that guy talks about how we're all made from crosses. Someone found it and posted it:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

I guess the obvious question is, how do Budhists, Jews, Muslims or anybody who doesn't recognize the cross as a symbol of their religion stay put together? Are christians really so self-centered they they believe this crap?

...(can't get the embed to open; don't see it reposted)...

Pastor Louie Giglio's liberating laminin-crucifix lemma:

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I AGREE

I have to admit, you know, I wasn't convinced right off by his "we're all made of crosses" argument, brilliant as it is; but this even more obvious human anatomy-christian mythology connection finally got me (from an undelivered and possibly apocryphal sermon); Louie continues:

"And what more god-given evidence do we need, brothers and sisters, than my very own christian genitalia - here, can you zoom in on this? just feast your eyes on this blessed miracle - is this not the spittin' image of Calvary itself: sorry thieves! bad eggs on either side! yet there he is in the middle, the lamb of god and men and holy laminin, head bowed but spirit unbroken, this precious splendid pillar of truth upon which so much depends - isn't it true? in my life and I know in yours - whence will come in white-hot glory like a thief in the night our final redemption and life everlasting - hallelujah!"

Leumas · 1st May 2012, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by Marduk

"It's a load of hogwash yet again."

The Caduceus started off as a symbol of Ningishzida before it appears in egypt during the Hellenic period and before Greece emerged as a culture in its own right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus#Ancient_Near_East

thus the Bible proves mesopotamian polytheism

And that is exactly the answer to your question posted in another thread

Originally Posted by Marduk

this is just the easy stuff, easy to find and easy to check,

*I wonder why people aren't interested in the formation of their belief
would it be so bad to suddenly realise that your entire family going all the way back to the birth of civilisation has fallen victim to a confidence trick designed to enrich and empower a few who think they are better than everyone else

well, maybe

but I'm buggered if I can understand why they'd rather not know the truth and incorporate what they've learned into their future plans, it's like selling your descendants into slavery

lines since "*" are heavily sardonic and sponsored by the one true God *Bel "no flood" Marduk,

No one wants to KNOW that they have been duped for 2500 years so far.

Jews, Christians and Moslems are worshiping a Zoroastrian PROPAGANDA created by Persians (Cyrus the Messiah) to help them easily control and rule the nations they conquered.

A 2500 years old HOAX by which almost 4.5 BILLION people are currently duped emanating from IRAN..... I call this Darius' Revenge.

Gawdzilla · 1st May 2012, 05:08 AM

Didn't this idea get nominated for a Golden Crocoduck?

28th April 2012, 12:44 PM	#2
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Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,279	Originally Posted by NoahFence Its the first I've heard of it. My friend was so eager to discuss how great our God is and how he warms our hearts, but felt it was off topic to question why our great God allows millions of kids to starve. Its crap like that that drove me from the church. Also the Baptist minister that said my mother was going to hell because she was Catholic and didn't actually say the words "I accept Jesus as my personal savior". I told him to go (bleep) himself and have been rational ever since. How did he know she didn't say that? He sounds like your little bon mot needed saying. As to "we are all made of crosses" I had always heard it as We all have our own cross to bear. Oh well. Plus, I think Hindi are all made of little cows.
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Seismosaurus Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Banbury Posts: 3,550	This is the one about some... protein or something? And it functions to help cells maintain their membrane or something. When it's drawn out, it's in the shape of a christian cross. Some christians seem to find this terribly significant, and as I recall they even found some bible verse that they interpret to support it. Or something. ETA : Found it. It's Laminin.
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mijopaalmc Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,638	Originally Posted by Seismosaurus This is the one about some... protein or something? And it functions to help cells maintain their membrane or something. When it's drawn out, it's in the shape of a christian cross. Some christians seem to find this terribly significant, and as I recall they even found some bible verse that they interpret to support it. Or something. ETA : Found it. It's Laminin. So "crosses hold is together"?
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28th April 2012, 01:49 PM	#7
Elypsis44 Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,461	Originally Posted by Seismosaurus This is the one about some... protein or something? And it functions to help cells maintain their membrane or something. When it's drawn out, it's in the shape of a christian cross. Some christians seem to find this terribly significant, and as I recall they even found some bible verse that they interpret to support it. Or something. ETA : Found it. It's Laminin.
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28th April 2012, 02:04 PM	#8
Earthborn Terrestrial Intelligence Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Terra Firma Posts: 5,649	Luckily, we can always trust on Answers In Genesis to debunk this sort of nonsense.
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28th April 2012, 02:18 PM	#9
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by Earthborn Luckily, we can always trust on Answers In Genesis to debunk this sort of nonsense. great article, I especially liked Quote: Only if we start with the Bible as our ultimate standard can we have a worldview that is rational and makes sense of the evidence (see Atheism: An Irrational Worldview and Evolution: The Anti-science). just can't leave it alone can they and Quote: God designed laminin in the shape of a cross and gave it the particular function of “glue” in the body so that we can know (in his words) the truth that Christ holds all things together. very star warsy isn't it, I recall Obi Won Kenobi saying something similar Quote: something outside of Scripture (in this case, laminin) is vital to know the truthfulness of a biblical truth Thus Star Wars proves the Bible Hallelujah brothers

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fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by NoahFence Its the first I've heard of it. My friend was so eager to discuss how great our God is and how he warms our hearts, but felt it was off topic to question why our great God allows millions of kids to starve. Its crap like that that drove me from the church. Also the Baptist minister that said my mother was going to hell because she was Catholic and didn't actually say the words "I accept Jesus as my personal savior". I told him to go (bleep) himself and have been rational ever since. Soooooooo, did he?
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Earthborn Terrestrial Intelligence Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Terra Firma Posts: 5,649	Originally Posted by Marduk great article, I especially liked Quote: Only if we start with the Bible as our ultimate standard can we have a worldview that is rational and makes sense of the evidence (see Atheism: An Irrational Worldview and Evolution: The Anti-science). just can't leave it alone can they Oh, sure. They have some nutty views... Quote: and Quote: God designed laminin in the shape of a cross and gave it the particular function of “glue” in the body so that we can know (in his words) the truth that Christ holds all things together. very star warsy isn't it, I recall Obi Won Kenobi saying something similar Quote: something outside of Scripture (in this case, laminin) is vital to know the truthfulness of a biblical truth Note that the things you quoted are views the article argues against.
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Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	And DNA is kinda like a multi-coloured snakey thing, therefore the Rainbow Serpent is the real god ...er... or something. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Serpent
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Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by Earthborn Oh, sure. They have some nutty views... Note that the things you quoted are views the article argues against. of course thats the accepted way to argue scripture as I understand it, isn't it ? or am I doing it wrong or are you ? or is the pope
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Lord Emsworth Je ne suis pas une de vos élèves Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Through the Cables and the Underground ... Posts: 2,827	I wonder what they make of ... uhh ... Kreuzspinnen. (I don't know how to exactly translate that to English. Maybe Araneus is the best match?) Literally the name Kreuzspinne means "Cross Spider". They are called that because, well see for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ar...iadematus2.jpg www.google.com/search?q=kreuzspinnen

28th April 2012, 04:31 PM	#16
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by Lord Emsworth I wonder what they make of ... uhh ... Kreuzspinnen. (I don't know how to exactly translate that to English. Maybe Araneus is the best match?) Literally the name Kreuzspinne means "Cross Spider". They are called that because, well see for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ar...iadematus2.jpg www.google.com/search?q=kreuzspinnen would you like some toast http://jesustoasters.com/

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Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,628	I've heard of this silliness quite a few years ago. If you look at the molecule differently it's an X. I say it's Satan's work. BTW, if you look at the actual molecules, they do not line up like neat little crosses. They are quite squiggly. I think you can see from the scientific images that laminin looks more like a "peace sign" than a Christian cross.
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Lord Emsworth Je ne suis pas une de vos élèves Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Through the Cables and the Underground ... Posts: 2,827	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger I've heard of this silliness quite a few years ago. If you look at the molecule differently it's an X. I say it's Satan's work. X? You surely mean the Greek letter Chi (Χ, χ).

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NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 9,333	Originally Posted by fuelair Soooooooo, did he? Not sure. My best guess is that he go (bleeped) an underage boy or something.
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Nay_Sayer Muse Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 746	To the Left a Diagram of laminin, In the middle a More accurate one and to the left what actual laminin looks like, Which, Hold your hats, Looks nothing like a cross.

28th April 2012, 10:17 PM	#22
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	Originally Posted by NoahFence From the facebooks I find one of my friends requesting that video where that guy talks about how we're all made from crosses. Someone found it and posted it: I guess the obvious question is, how do Budhists, Jews, Muslims or anybody who doesn't recognize the cross as a symbol of their religion stay put together? Are christians really so self-centered they they believe this crap? Your video link did not work for me. But if it is as others have said about the *Laminin thingy* then I have debunked this a while back in *this PDF document. It's a load of hogwash yet again. As I show in this PDF document* even if we grant the assertion for argument's sake that Laminin does look like a cross (it does not as I show in the PDF) then if anything it is a proof for the Greek and Egyptian gods and not Jesus at all because it looks more like the *Caduceus* associated with the god Hermes or the *Ankh, the symbol for life, which many Egyptian gods were depicted wearing as a pendent or holding it in their hand like a miter. Or maybe Hermes was Jesus? Or Was Osiris, Jesus? Hermes, too, was a messenger God. Osiris, too, was killed by his enemies and was resurrected after three days. Coincidences, or are pagan gods manifestations of God and Jesus was but one of numerous experiments in divine masquerading*?
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29th April 2012, 06:41 AM	#23
Stomatopoda Muse Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 862	They had to go that far to find some intersecting lines? Well, carbon rings look like hexagrams, so I guess that proves the Old Testament!
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29th April 2012, 06:57 AM	#24
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by Leumas It's a load of hogwash yet again. As I show in *this PDF document* even if we grant the assertion for argument's sake that Laminin does look like a cross (it does not as I show in the PDF) then if anything it is a proof for the Greek and Egyptian gods and not Jesus at all because it looks more like the *Caduceus* associated with the god Hermes or the [b][I "It's a load of hogwash yet again." The Caduceus started off as a symbol of Ningishzida before it appears in egypt during the Hellenic period and before Greece emerged as a culture in its own right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus#Ancient_Near_East Quote: the prototype of Hermes was an "Oriental deity of Babylonian extraction" represented in his earliest form as a snake god. From this perspective, the caduceus was originally representative of Hermes himself, in his early form as the Underworld god Ningishzida, "messenger" of the "Earth Mother".[11] The caduceus is mentioned in passing by Walter Burkert[12] as "really the image of copulating snakes taken over from Ancient Near Eastern tradition". thus the Bible proves mesopotamian polytheism

29th April 2012, 01:57 PM	#25
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,418	Just like the hymn from my childhood - Gladly the cross-eyed bear.
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30th April 2012, 05:46 AM	#26
Multivac Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,947	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto Just like the hymn from my childhood - Gladly the cross-eyed bear. That doesn't sound very christian. Singing about a bear that can't see properly becuase he is cross-eyed. Calling the bear "Gladly" is just rubbing salt into the wound.

30th April 2012, 05:54 AM	#27
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,602	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger I've heard of this silliness quite a few years ago. If you look at the molecule differently it's an X. I say it's Satan's work. BTW, if you look at the actual molecules, they do not line up like neat little crosses. They are quite squiggly. I think you can see from the scientific images that laminin looks more like a "peace sign" than a Christian cross. So, let me get this straight: An important (I assume) protein is roughly cross-shaped? But this was created before Jesus was even born? Before, as I recall, God found that mankind needed saving and sent his son to be crucified. At the 6th day of Genesis (or earlier, as animals probably also have this protein), God decided to introduce the shape of a later Roman torture instrument in the design, as a sign that would only be noticed 6 thousand years later? ... I suppose that makes as much sense as the rest. ..... Hans
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30th April 2012, 08:34 AM	#28
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,418	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans So, let me get this straight: An important (I assume) protein is roughly cross-shaped? But this was created before Jesus was even born? Before, as I recall, God found that mankind needed saving and sent his son to be crucified. At the 6th day of Genesis (or earlier, as animals probably also have this protein), God decided to introduce the shape of a later Roman torture instrument in the design, as a sign that would only be noticed 6 thousand years later? ... I suppose that makes as much sense as the rest. ..... Hans YES!!! Isn't OUR ALL POWERFUL LORD so absolutely AWESOME!!! Or sumptin'.
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30th April 2012, 02:21 PM	#29
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30th April 2012, 02:26 PM	#30
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans So, let me get this straight: An important (I assume) protein is roughly cross-shaped? But this was created before Jesus was even born? Before, as I recall, God found that mankind needed saving and sent his son to be crucified. At the 6th day of Genesis (or earlier, as animals probably also have this protein), God decided to introduce the shape of a later Roman torture instrument in the design, as a sign that would only be noticed 6 thousand years later? ... I suppose that makes as much sense as the rest. ..... Hans nope, crosses were originally used to represent the passage of the sun through four seasons, there's examples from about 9000 bce in Armenia so what you said + 5000 years, thats some damn fine forward planning, but surely it would have been easier if he'd just arranged to have Jesus crucified on a double helix, they've been around since around 2500bce, so he could have taken a few thousand years off, or is he doing that right now ?

30th April 2012, 08:49 PM	#31
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,279	Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer To the Left a Diagram of laminin, In the middle a More accurate one and to the left what actual laminin looks like, Which, Hold your hats, Looks nothing like a cross. The one on the right looks like a stripper with only one leg. Originally Posted by Multivac That doesn't sound very christian. Singing about a bear that can't see properly becuase he is cross-eyed. Calling the bear "Gladly" is just rubbing salt into the wound. Just a bit of syncretism to get the Chieftan of the Clan of the Cave Bear into the Baptismal pool, so that he'd become Gladly the Salt of the Earth.
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30th April 2012, 10:22 PM	#32
Weak Kitten Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lost and lonely...will you be my friend? Posts: 1,733	Originally Posted by Brainache And DNA is kinda like a multi-coloured snakey thing, therefore the Rainbow Serpent is the real god ...er... or something. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Serpent Woohoo! All hail Yurlungur, bringer of life! May he bring the rains once more!
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1st May 2012, 03:35 AM	#34
Leumas Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,493	Originally Posted by Marduk "It's a load of hogwash yet again." The Caduceus started off as a symbol of Ningishzida before it appears in egypt during the Hellenic period and before Greece emerged as a culture in its own right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus#Ancient_Near_East thus the Bible proves mesopotamian polytheism And that is exactly the answer to your question posted in another thread Originally Posted by Marduk this is just the easy stuff, easy to find and easy to check, I wonder why people aren't interested in the formation of their belief would it be so bad to suddenly realise that your entire family going all the way back to the birth of civilisation has fallen victim to a confidence trick designed to enrich and empower a few who think they are better than everyone else well, maybe but I'm buggered if I can understand why they'd rather not know the truth and incorporate what they've learned into their future plans, it's like selling your descendants into slavery lines since "" are heavily sardonic and sponsored by the one true God Bel "no flood" Marduk, No one wants to KNOW that they have been duped for 2500 years so far. Jews, Christians and Moslems are worshiping a Zoroastrian PROPAGANDA created by Persians (Cyrus the Messiah) to help them easily control and rule the nations they conquered. A 2500 years old HOAX by which almost 4.5 BILLION people are currently duped emanating from IRAN..... I call this Darius' Revenge*.
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1st May 2012, 05:08 AM	#35
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