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"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end" - R. J. Wiedermann LtCol. USMC Ret. |
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Join Date: Apr 2012
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The Professor has arrived
I'm TheProfessor. TheProfessor says hello!
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Bufo Caminus Inedibilis
Join Date: Nov 2002
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Sniper of the Galactic Universe
Join Date: Nov 2006
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"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end" - R. J. Wiedermann LtCol. USMC Ret. |
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New Blood
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Hello. I've greatly enjoyed lurking this forum for some time now, and I thought it might be fun to finally sign up.
My name is Stefan. I'm a young man with a background in ecology, scientific computing, and web technology. I enjoy long moonlit debates about semantics, games of rock-paper-scissors to allocate burden of proof, and spotting logical fallacies with my fiancee. I promise not to post passive-aggressive suggestions that empiricism is flawed because it rejects my irrational belief system, nor to defend that irrational belief system with fallacious arguments and then ignore or dismiss all rebuttals of those arguments. |
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Heretic Pharaoh
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia
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Sniper of the Galactic Universe
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: the many voids of the universe
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Welcome Stefan Along with you Glass of Goats milk how would you like your Roo steaks ? The MINTIE bowl is on your left help your self.
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"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end" - R. J. Wiedermann LtCol. USMC Ret. |
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Muse
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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I've noticed that the 'Blame the Joooos' theme is common in almost every conspiracy. I wonder if these people have ever even met a Jewish person.
I spent two weeks in Haifa when I was in the navy (US) back in '89. All of the people that I met were friendly. A Jewish family invited several of us into their home for dinner having just met us. We were headed back to the ship and a taxi full of locals stopped to give us a ride. We told the driver that we were broke (as usual), and he still gave us a ride. Anyway, thanks for the beer.
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Muse
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Critical Thinker
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Here
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Hey everybody. Name is Derchin if you haven't caught that by now. I've been lingering around this site and reading some of the threads for some time now. Aside from some previous hurdles concerning registration, I'm finally a member.
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Heretic Pharaoh
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia
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I keep telling them to get rid of the 'steeplechase' option on the registration page and go back to the more familiar 'jumping through hoops' process but will they listen? Harumph, I say. Anyway, that's all behiind you now and it's sane pailing from here on. Or something. ![]() Welcome aboard. |
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Critical Thinker
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Heretic Pharaoh
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Critical Thinker
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Here
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Oh, I see.
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Sniper of the Galactic Universe
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: the many voids of the universe
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Welcome have a glass of Goats milk and the only thing I can think of is if you have not returned all your library books yet, the Library Lady will be after you . Although she might be on vacation as she has not been around for a while, so you have a chance to get them returned.
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Join Date: Apr 2012
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Hello all! I'm a near-lifelong skeptic and atheist (in fact, I would call myself a gnu atheist… not sure to what extent that may be controversial in these circles).
My first intro to this stuff was Joe Nickell's book The Magic Detectives. Other than that, nearly all of the books I have read about the paranormal were more on the credulous side, but I could usually figure out what was really going on, and recent Internet reading has helped sharpen my BS-detection skills. I work for the after-school program of a middle school, where some of the kids are into the paranormal, especially cryptozoology. I don't like getting into arguments with them since I don't want to harm our relationship (or likelier, get into even more frustrating arguments with their parents). Fortunately, the kids themselves are quite good at arguing against the woo anyway; in fact, most of the "cryptozoology club" meetings seem to consist of the kids watching YouTube videos and pointing out how things were faked or played up. Like all upstanding folk, I believe in "open-mindedness", but I believe much much much more strongly in the faultiness of human minds and our tendency to project all sorts of inner silliness onto the universe, as if reality were supposed to obey the intuitions of a few billion primates. It would take a very, very, very large amount of evidence to convince me that "the supernatural" exists, because of the long history of fakery-and-mistakery, plus my feeling that the supernatural doesn't really refer to anything that logically could exist so much as a kind of set of quasi-dualistic attitudes. Maybe we've been visited by aliens… but they couldn't possibly be humanoid any more than they would speak Pig Latin. Maybe someone has experienced actual prophecy… but not Nostradamus or any other claimant.* Those are really tiny maybes. Tinier still are the maybes for homeopathy and astrology. Finding out that either one is "real" would be equivalent to finding out the Earth is "really" flat; it's not even imaginable. I get really frustrated by the self-contradiction whereby woos insist their stuff in in some way untestable. You can't discover anything to be true in the first place if it's untestable! Even the supposed counterexamples they like to trot out, like love, are entirely testable. There are empirical differences between a situation where two people love one another and a situation where they don't. If someone told me that they knew as a matter of faith that Ellen Degeneres loved me, and I said "That's absurd. She can't possibly know I exist, and she's in a committed relationship, and I'm a man and she's a lesbian", would that person be entitled to reply "But love isn't a matter of evidence!"? Anyway, rant over. Whew. Nice to be here… *(The eeriest instance I can think of is the incident of that novel "Futility, or the Wreck of the Titan", seemingly predicting the Titanic sinking — but that's probably a Law of Large Numbers thing coupled with a few interdependent facts, eg, if a ship is going to be way short on lifeboats, it will probably be a very large cruise ship, with a "big" sort of name — look at the Titanic's sister ships! — whose makers are a tad hubristic, going too fast, etc.). |
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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Hmmmm...Don't know what the 'Goat's milk' thing is, but I've had plenty of it, since I grew up on it....Yummy!...
And yes, I know the 'paranormal' exists, since I've experienced it myself. It's kind of like a 'sense' that many people just don't experience...And since there is a lot of corruption regarding 'psychics' and such, it's easy to doubt it all...Which is very understandable, and healthy. |
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Heretic Pharaoh
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia
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I have to say, I've been here for five years myself and I don't have any idea what's going on with that either. This seems to be the only thread in the forum where it's ever mentioned. Interesting times ahead, I'll warrant, when you start meeting up with the folks here who know the paranormal doesn't exist. ![]() Vive la difference and welcome aboard!
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Join Date: Apr 2012
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Jeff
The Name is Jeff. Found my way here via the Skeptoid podcast. I have nothing clever to say at this time.
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...but not JUST a LibraryLady
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Building a house in the common ground
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What would Hüsker Dü? I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about. Mildred Loving |
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New Blood
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Jason Robards was my deliverer
I am quite ashamed to admit that I've spent most of my life as a devoted religious nut.
At one point, I even entertained new age fantasies and went to a psychic. I had an epiphany watching Jason Robards perform in a production of The Iceman Cometh. His pipe dream monologue was personally illuminating. I've been discarding fantasies since then. I feel humble and tardy among you. Regards! |
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Phoenix AZ
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Join Date: Aug 2011
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The Persian kitten pats your foot with her paw to welcome you. You can pet her, but watch out for the tiara.
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Heretic Pharaoh
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Heretic Pharaoh
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I wouldn't sweat it. I've spent all of my life as a devoted nut without even the excuse of religion. The fact that you've tried these things and not gone over to teh Dark Side™ speaks well of you. Nothing to be ashamed of there. No need for that. Feel welcome instead!
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Join Date: May 2012
Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
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Hi, all. Yes, I'm a newbie, so I have questions. Is this the right thread to ask newbie-type questions? If not, what thread should I use. If this is the right thread, here's my first newbie question:
The list of posts within a thread is sorted chronologically. How can I change that to a reverse chronological sort? |
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Heretic Pharaoh
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia
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Hi Warren. Welcome to the Forum. ![]() I'm afraid the answer is that posts always apppear in the order that they were made. Now it's my turn for a question. Why on Earth would you want to read a thread backwards? Surely it wouldn't make sense to have the answers coming before the questions, so to speak. Although I have to admit that it wouldn't make a lot of difference in some threads. |
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New Blood
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
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Laziness. I don't want to have to click on the little right-pointing arrow to go to the last page.
I'm quite adept at reading posts backward. I've been doing it so long that it seems natural to me. By the time I get to the original message, I'm already aware of what people have said about it. [Some people would say that I've let my mind be infected by other people's thoughts prior to listening to the original thought, but I'm aware of that possibility and I compensate for it.] P.S. - I can read upside-down too. Mirror reading isn't so easy, but I'm working on it. |
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Sniper of the Galactic Universe
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Welcome NEWB'S ! Here it is Friday already, boy did this week fly by . So here is our weekend Menu
Goats milk fresh from our Goat, Belhaven beer,and spring water Cats and Hamsters prepared by our chef and cooked anyway you want them. famous Grayman oat meal cookies and MINTIES. If you see the Goat pat it on the head . The Library Lady will be along soon to instuct you on your library books |
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"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end" - R. J. Wiedermann LtCol. USMC Ret. |
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New Blood
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Not Audrey Hepburn
Earthbound Misfit, I Join Date: May 2006
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Some older versions of this forum software, I think, used to have that option, but I don't see it here. If going to the last unread post doesn't do it for you, the only way I know to get a reverse chronological sort is to begin a reply. At least a portion of the most recent posts are presented in reverse. You can always abort the reply before you post it.
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Heretic Pharaoh
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Scourge, of the supernatural
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Poughkeepsie, NY
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Welcome WerrenGaebel,
Ah I guess great minds think alike. Generally what I do is click on the last page (particularly if it is a thread I’m subscribed to) just scroll down to the end and work my way back to where I left off. In the parenthesis next to the thread title are the thread page numbers hyperlinked to each of those pages. After a number of pages (over 10 I think) have built up the last page will be listed as just, unsurprisingly, “last page”. Welcome everyone |
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"Not a seat but a springboard” (1942 Winston Churchill) "As he who, seeking asses, found a kingdom" (1671 Milton "Paradise Regained") "for it seem'd A void was made in nature, all her bonds Crack'd; and I saw the flaring atom-streams And torrents of her myriad universe, Ruining along the illimitable inane, Fly on to clash together again, and make Another and another frame of things For ever." (1868 Tennyson "Lucretius") |
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Muse
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: On the outskirts of Nowhere; the middle was too crowded
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Ratcat, your comment reminds me of my friend Lenard (who spells his name that way because that's what his parents did). One reason I like Lenard is that he has lots to say -- and he doesn't say it.
LL, you know that Dante was wrong, don't you? The lowest level of Hell is really reserved for people who deliberately didn't return library books. |
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...but not JUST a LibraryLady
Join Date: Sep 2004
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What would Hüsker Dü? I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about. Mildred Loving |
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Muse
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: On the outskirts of Nowhere; the middle was too crowded
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