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Old 6th May 2012, 05:27 PM   #1
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Telepathy?

Maybe the immense size of the universe and its light-speed barrier makes instantaneous telepathic communication between humans and aliens the only viable option?
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Old 6th May 2012, 05:31 PM   #2
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Just to be clear, your idea is that because all evidence shows that the universe has rules that prohibit faster than light travel, our only recourse for communication with distant listeners is to violate those laws with magic?
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Old 6th May 2012, 06:19 PM   #3
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Is telepathy magic or simply an undeveloped ability that we all have?
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Old 6th May 2012, 06:21 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
Is telepathy magic or simply an undeveloped ability that we all have?
I'm gonna go with magic.
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Old 6th May 2012, 06:22 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
Is telepathy magic or simply an undeveloped ability that we all have?
There is no evidence that telepathy exists. First things first.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
Is telepathy magic or simply an undeveloped ability that we all have?
If it's not magic, then it would obey physical laws, and so there would be no way it could be used to get around the universal speed limit. You'd be better off using radio.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
Maybe the immense size of the universe and its light-speed barrier makes instantaneous telepathic communication between humans and aliens the only viable option?

How would telepathic communication occur faster than the speed of light?
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Maybe thought waves are instantaneous, travelling across the universe faster than the blink of an eye.
Perhaps aliens can do it, but we haven't yet learnt how.
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Old 6th May 2012, 07:25 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
Maybe thought waves are instantaneous, travelling across the universe faster than the blink of an eye.
Perhaps aliens can do it, but we haven't yet learnt how.

And perhaps there's an invisible pink unicorn hiding out in my garage.

No. This is fantasy. You're postulating ideas that go completely against what science knows, and likely without any evidence whatsoever.

Utter nonsense.
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..You're postulating ideas that go completely against what science knows..
Does science know that telepathy doesn't exist?
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
Maybe thought waves are instantaneous, travelling across the universe faster than the blink of an eye.
Perhaps aliens can do it, but we haven't yet learnt how.
Or, then again, maybe not.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
Does science know that telepathy doesn't exist?

Let's start by defining telepathy, shall we? What is it, and what is the evidence for it?
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
Is telepathy magic or simply an undeveloped ability that we all have?
neither. It is a fictional mode of communication which does not exist in the real world. And just a friendly as you might actually be interested in these questions you are bringing up. You might want to just look around in here for a while. Examine other's posts in the topic areas you are interested in and consider how different ones are taken by the membership. You are not, at this point making a good impression. This does not bode well for your future here. Hopefully that can and will improve.*






*This is not a great place to pop out with any random thought that comes into your head. Thinking is a skill that must be practiced.
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Originally Posted by fuelair View Post
You might want to just look around in here for a while. Examine other's posts in the topic areas you are interested in and consider how different ones are taken by the membership. You are not, at this point making a good impression. This does not bode well for your future here. Hopefully that can and will improve.*


*This is not a great place to pop out with any random thought that comes into your head. Thinking is a skill that must be practiced.

This is good advice. Johnny Brant, I suggest you take it.
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Does science know that telepathy doesn't exist?
You are not going to like this, but: we do not like to say that science knows things. Scientists tend to, but.... AND science does not say "x does not exist", it says "no evidence of any kind for the existence of X has been found to exist". To non-scientists, these apparently seem to mean the same thing. They do not and scientists know the difference. With no offence, you need to learn that difference.
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You are not, at this point making a good impression..

I'm open-mindedly discussing the possibility of telepathy, are you?..
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This is good advice. Johnny Brant, I suggest you take it.
And if you want speculation, read some science fiction. People much smarter than some of us here have worked out all sorts of interesting scenarios.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
I'm open-mindedly discussing the possibility of telepathy, are you?..

No, I'd say you're fantasizing.

Which is OK, as long as you admit that's all it is.
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This is a discussion forum, so if you don't want to discuss anything, what on earth are you doing here?
If everybody was shy of discussion there wouldn't be a JREF forum..

(PS how do i get an avatar, i want to display my famous "hooded monk" avatar that's renowned throughout internetland)

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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
This is a discussion forum, so if you don't want to discuss anything, what on earth are you doing here?
If everybody was shy of discussion there wouldn't be a JREF forum..

Who are you responding to? Use the Quote button (bottom right in each post) if you don't want to confuse people.

And, yes, I also suggest you lurk for a while.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
This is a discussion forum, so if you don't want to discuss anything, what on earth are you doing here?
If everybody was shy of discussion there wouldn't be a JREF forum..

(PS how do i get an avatar, i want to display my famous "hooded monk" avatar that's renowned throughout internetland)
We are discussing them - you are just not happy with how. You want a discussion that must assume telepathy is real. There is ZERO evidence for it being real, so discussion is limited to that point.

We do not randomly discuss , for example, "what would it be like if ghosts were all around us and we could see them faintly!" because that does not lead to any intelligent thinking or bring up any new knowledge to any of us. It is more the type of question, as is the OP, that an aspiring Science Fiction author without much knowledge or skill might throw out fishing for free story ideas (which would be worth roughtly their cost).

And again, if you read some of the threads in science, you would hopefully see many good - and some bad- examples.
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I have to agree with fuelair.

To begin with, I'm wondering if you might just be trolling. In which case... it's boring.

Secondly... it's a skeptic's forum. Maybe the name could be a clue.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
Maybe the immense size of the universe and its light-speed barrier makes instantaneous telepathic communication between humans and aliens the only viable option?

Hmmm.... There are two possibilities here.

1. Telepathy has a basis in real-world physics, in which case instantaneous communication would be possible without telepathy by building communications devices that utilize the same physics underlying telepathy.

2. Telepathy has no basis in real-world physics, in which case it is a make-believe magical ability which cannot be used for genuine communication with anyone.

Either way, telepathy would not be the "only viable option". In the first case it is not the only option, while in the second case it is not a viable option.
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Maybe the immense size of the universe and its light-speed barrier makes instantaneous telepathic communication between humans and aliens the only viable option?

Or maybe telepathy is actually slower than light. Since it has never been observed there is no way you can know how fast it is.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
Maybe the immense size of the universe and its light-speed barrier makes instantaneous telepathic communication between humans and aliens the only viable option?
Maybe the Earth is not populated with humans at all. Maybe we are just telepathic constructs hosting the remote intelligences of various alien species around the universe who project here. The Earth is a kind of Disneyland where higher beings can hang out and fight in wars, drive drunk, treat other projections badly, etc. You know - the kind of behavior which is not even known, much less tolerated, on your real planet.
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Maybe thought waves are instantaneous, travelling across the universe faster than the blink of an eye.
Perhaps aliens can do it, but we haven't yet learnt how.
Perhaps. I would like some evidence it even exists.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
Maybe thought waves are instantaneous, travelling across the universe faster than the blink of an eye.

Maybe thought waves travel really slowly, and take several hundred thousand years to travel even as far as the outside of the subject's skull. This would explain why telepathy has not yet been observed.

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Perhaps aliens can do it, but we haven't yet learnt how.

Perhaps the reason we don't receive thought waves from aliens is that they travel too slowly for them to have reached us yet.

Or perhaps there is no such thing as telepathy.

What would Occam do?
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If there was a way to send a communication faster than light (such as they are apparently able to do in the Star Trek universe), you could send a message to yourself and receive it before you sent it! Kirk should be able to avoid trouble by warning himself of it.

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They are showing previews about it right now. its called Host and is being put out but the twilight author. Your not telepathing unless you have some bug that makes you telepathic.
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What would Occam do?
Is this a trick question. Would he be able to contact the aliens for us?

The only way to find out if telepathy exists is to have a forum poll. I am getting an instantaneous telepathic message from Planet X and its telling me to vote 'yes'.
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I'm open-mindedly discussing the possibility of telepathy, are you?..
Let's say that telepathy may be possible. As there exists no compelling evidence that it is, there is no reason to think that it is.

Is that open-minded enough?
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I'm open-mindedly discussing the possibility of telepathy, are you?..
At the risk of channeling Richard Feynman (or all the others who have also had this attributed to them):

I think you are being so open minded your brain fell out.
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like this perhaps?

Contact with Jodie Foster... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/
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As far as i'm aware, thoughts can only be as fast as the neurons that fire, which is a hell of a lot slower than the speed of light.

Although you haven't really explained what telepathy is supposed to be or how it is supposed to work.
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What the use of telepathy when the majority of the intended recipients do not possess working receivers between their ears?
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Is chess telepathy? I mean a good chess player has guessed your next move two or three places.
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Is chess telepathy? I mean a good chess player has guessed your next move two or three places.

No; that is someone who knows chess strategy and who's experienced at the game and can foresee moves. It has absolutely nothing to do with telepathy.
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How would telepathic communication occur faster than the speed of light?
Doesn't the faster-than-the-speed-of-light barrier only apply to objects with mass?

Given the following from Space.com:

"Dark energy is the name given to an unexplained force that is drawing galaxies away from each other, against the pull of gravity, at an accelerated pace.
Dark energy is a bit like anti-gravity. Where gravity pulls things together at the more local level, dark energy tugs them apart on the grander scale.
Its existence isn't proven, but dark energy is many scientists' best guess to explain the confusing observation that the universe's expansion is speeding up. Experts still don't know what's driving this force, but the quest to learn more about dark energy is one of cosmologists' top priorities."

What is the difference between dark energy and telepathic energy?

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