Can somebody enlighten me? Why protest the NATO summit? - Page 2

wollclark · 10th May 2012, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Travis

Let me promise you that if the anarchists got their way I would become a mass destruction tyrant predator of humanity just to show them what happens when you remove authority. But only for about six months. I just wouldn't have the stamina for a rampage that lasts any longer.

Then I'd say that's a mental issue you should look into with a therapist.

Travis · 10th May 2012, 01:13 PM

Oh I every time I go to that therapist he says more weird things: you shouldn't be torturing animals Travis, you shouldn't be assembling explosives in the garage Travis, I might have to report your fantasies about minotaurs to the FBI.

What does that quack know?

To be honest though I have a very low opinion of humanity and believe removing authority tends to lead to terrible things.

angrysoba · 10th May 2012, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

Oh I every time I go to that therapist he says more weird things: you shouldn't be torturing animals Travis, you shouldn't be assembling explosives in the garage Travis, I might have to report your fantasies about minotaurs to the FBI.

What does that quack know?

To be honest though I have a very low opinion of humanity and believe removing authority tends to lead to terrible things.

The kibbutzim in Israel are (or were) run on anarchist principles. There are anarchist communes in India too and I believe that some still exist in the Basque country. I personally don't want to live that way but I don't think that it is worse than all forms of authority.

Laeke · 10th May 2012, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Virus

How exactly is America militarily dominating Europe? Stationing troops there so you can keep your defence budgets down?

The existence of NATO does, in part, justify bases, integrated commands, intelligence gathering, in other words an important American presence. NATO's purpose was after all to protect Western Europe.

The USA are the senior partner and even a stiff increase in European defence budgets wouldn't change that fact. I'm not sure why you've gone the Robert Gates Way with your question since I actually agree to both the Atlantic defense and the fact the European military commitment must keep at certain levels and organized more efficiently.

At the end of the day, whether you agree with it or not with the intent, NATO is a powerful tool in the hands of the USA to act on the European continent, and several people (well off anarchists with psychiatric problems, if I follow the logic in this thread, I think you miss "playing djembe on their iPhone") happen to disagree with either the substance, the philosophy or the methods of NATO and/or of some of its prominent members, esp. foreign policy and military matters.

JihadJane · 11th May 2012, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Laeke

The existence of NATO does, in part, justify bases, integrated commands, intelligence gathering, in other words an important American presence. NATO's purpose was after all to protect Western Europe.

The USA are the senior partner and even a stiff increase in European defence budgets wouldn't change that fact. I'm not sure why you've gone the Robert Gates Way with your question since I actually agree to both the Atlantic defense and the fact the European military commitment must keep at certain levels and organized more efficiently.

At the end of the day, whether you agree with it or not with the intent, NATO is a powerful tool in the hands of the USA to act on the European continent, and several people (well off anarchists with psychiatric problems, if I follow the logic in this thread, I think you miss "playing djembe on their iPhone") happen to disagree with either the substance, the philosophy or the methods of NATO and/or of some of its prominent members, esp. foreign policy and military matters.

Your comment started well but then degenerated in Playschool.

WildCat · 11th May 2012, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by tomwaits

Actually it was rocks.

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Yeah, I was asleep when they figured that out.

2 teenagers are in custody.

timhau · 11th May 2012, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

For some, it is a hobby. Go out, yell, "**** the man," regardless of who the 'man' is, what they're doing, or if it will accomplish anything. It's a social function where they can play activist theater in order to bolster their image as such.

Then there are those who dislike military, even if it is keeping peace (although they would argue that it's not possible to keep peace with military, but whatever).

Then there are those who hate the western world, and for them NATO is an easy stand in. They have lots of bluster and fire, but few good arguments or reasonable goals. Many of them are just in a phase and those who aren't won't be satisfied with anything short of the end of western civilization.

Nail. Head. Hit.

tomwaits · 11th May 2012, 05:24 AM

I'm not really sure that the NATO summit is actually going to draw that much of a crowd. During the Occupy Chicago stuff, I was commuting to the loop everyday and I almost didn't even notice it, until I went out to lunch with someone and we walked by the federal reserve building. Seemed like it was mostly just media hype.

If Chicago was still hosting the G8 summit though, that would be a different matter altogether.

kookbreaker · 11th May 2012, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by Virus

Actually most political radicals come from well-off backgrounds.

And invariably, they are not smashing things in their own neighborhoods.

Cities are just big piles of fun things to break and burn to them.

kookbreaker · 11th May 2012, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by jj

And, do they have "well-off" situations when they start with the nihilism?

Really? It seems to me you're taking up a lot of territry there.

There are several lines from the song "Common People" that come to mind.

BenBurch · 11th May 2012, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

2 teenagers are in custody.

Good. We had kids throwing wet snowballs at cars on Randall Road out here about 15 years ago. One of them was solid enough to go through the windshield of a pickup and decapitated the driver. This was Christmas Eve, if I recall, and he was on the way to spend it with his children...

Laeke · 11th May 2012, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Your comment started well but then degenerated in Playschool.

How magnanimous of you.
But unless I missed something... you missed something, that I thought was readily apparent.

WildCat · 15th May 2012, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by wollclark

Then I'd say that's a mental issue you should look into with a therapist.

The protesters have your back Travis!

Quote:

During the NATO Protests

During NATO Protests the Wellness Center will offer first aid, chemical decontamination, health consultation, herbal remedies, bodywork, massage, and more.
......................................

After the NATO Protests

Community Care Nights: we will offer a variety of wellness care, including ear acupuncture, bodywork, reiki, herbs, nurses on hand. Specific offerings vary by date. Check website for details.

http://chicago.indymedia.org/node/819

Maybe you just need some ear acupuncture or reiki and herbs?

Molinaro · 16th May 2012, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

Because it gives them a chance to wear their edgy Guy Fawkes masks.

That will soon be a crime here in Canada.

AlBell · 17th May 2012, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

And, more importantly, TV cameras.

This ^

And if they are lucky, police out-of-control ala '68 Dem Convention to broadcast to the world.

ps. Why? god only knows; spoiled brats for part of it.

BenBurch · 17th May 2012, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by AlBell

And if they are lucky, police out-of-control ala '68 Dem Convention to broadcast to the world.

ps. Why? god only knows; spoiled brats for part of it.

The Chicago Police will not play that game.

AlBell · 17th May 2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

The Chicago Police will not play that game.

Only time & tv cameras will tell on that assertion.

ps. As to why, it's as good a reason as any to get out of moms' basement and hit the streets shouting and milling around; maybe even get a chance to destroy property.

JihadJane · 18th May 2012, 03:18 AM

'Police Preemptively Raid Apartment & Arrest Activists Ahead of NATO Summit'

***Chicago police have reportedly engaged in a preemptive raid against activists that planned to protest the NATO summit. The raid is believed to have taken place late last night in the Bridgeport neighborhood of Chicago.

The National Lawyers Guild reports:

…Police broke down a door to access a 6-unit apartment building near 32nd & Morgan Streets without a search warrant. Police entered an apartment with guns drawn and tackled one of the tenants to the floor in his kitchen. Two tenants were handcuffed for more than 2 hours in their living room while police searched their apartment and a neighboring unit, repeatedly calling one of the tenants a “Commie faggot.” A search warrant produced 4 hours after police broke into the apartment was missing a judge’s signature, according to witnesses. Among items seized by police in the Bridgeport raid were beer-making supplies and at least one cell phone…

These kinds of raids are the “hallmark of National Special Security Event,” says Sarah Gelsomino of the NLG and People’s Law Office. Gelsomino is correct. In fact, Michael Ratner and Margaret Ratner Kunstler document the “new paradigm of law enforcement” that is preemptive policing in their book Hell No! Your Right to Dissent.

Kunstler and Ratner call it the domestic version of preemptive war.***

000063 · 18th May 2012, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by tomwaits

It's never a bad idea to prepare for the worst, regardless of how unlikely it is.

If you think this is bad, you should see some of the "just in case" plans the military has lying around.

Including an attempted Girl Scout coup, I've read.

Originally Posted by Virus

There you have it. The best way to understand OWS would be as a bunch of JihadJanes.

I don't think I've ever seen her say a bad word against them. Even when I asked her point-blank why they were dangling donuts on toy fishing lines at cops and how it furthers the cause they were protesting for, all I got was evasion and an eventual backpedal from calling them "protestors" to people committing "a harmless act of street theatre". So I quit asking.

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

And invariably, they are not smashing things in their own neighborhoods.

Cities are just big piles of fun things to break and burn to them.

Kind of like how OWS wants Other People to lose their money and property. When you point out that America is the world's 1%, they say they don't care. When you point out that there are Occupy protests in countries other than America, they hand-wave.

angrysoba · 18th May 2012, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Good. We had kids throwing wet snowballs at cars on Randall Road out here about 15 years ago. One of them was solid enough to go through the windshield of a pickup and decapitated the driver. This was Christmas Eve, if I recall, and he was on the way to spend it with his children...

A snowball decapitated a driver?

BenBurch · 18th May 2012, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

A snowball decapitated a driver?

Probably closer to an ice ball, but yes. Horrible.

BenBurch · 18th May 2012, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by 000063

Including an attempted Girl Scout coup, I've read.

...

Did the newspaper have "Bat Boy" on the cover?

000063 · 18th May 2012, 05:58 AM

It's more of a thought exercise, to get them to think outside of the box. And Girl Scouts would certainly be an unconventional foe.

They also allegedly have zombie invasion plans, though I have no idea why those plans would consist of
10 tell everyone about zombies.
20 if{zombies} then {shoot}
30 goto 20

It is rather difficult to find primary sources for either, though.

BenBurch · 18th May 2012, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by 000063

It's more of a thought exercise, to get them to think outside of the box. And Girl Scouts would certainly be an unconventional foe.

They also allegedly have zombie invasion plans, though I have no idea why those plans would consist of
10 tell everyone about zombies.
20 if{zombies} then {shoot}
30 goto 20

It is rather difficult to find primary sources for either, though.

When I worked in nuclear power safety, we had disaster exercises where we had to have a scenario that would result in core damage and release. Since it is very hard to come up with something not covered by the design, the things had to be quite a stretch. Like a 60 mph runaway freight train with explosive chemicals hits the 5 mph turnout and without derailing negotiates several severe tangents and goes over de-railers like they were not there and smashes into the turbine building with the resulting explosion severing the cooling lines.

Corsair 115 · 18th May 2012, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Like a 60 mph runaway freight train with explosive chemicals hits the 5 mph turnout and without derailing negotiates several severe tangents and goes over de-railers like they were not there and smashes into the turbine building with the resulting explosion severing the cooling lines.

I think you just described a scene from the next Michael Bay action film extravaganza!

000063 · 18th May 2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by 000063

They also allegedly have zombie invasion plans, though I have no idea why those plans would consist of anything other than....

Wherps.

bynmdsue · 18th May 2012, 11:45 AM

The CDC has a zombie scenario but I think that was just a way to get folks interested in disaster preparedness.

JihadJane · 18th May 2012, 11:52 AM

Be prepared: If you're going to protest NATO and are worried about uncover cops, carry a crispy creme donut and drop it on the ground...if you see a tear then you know they are cops.

000063 · 19th May 2012, 05:05 AM

Mocking cops: #winning

WildCat · 19th May 2012, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Be prepared: If you're going to protest NATO and are worried about uncover cops, carry a crispy creme donut and drop it on the ground...if you see a tear then you know they are cops.

All the Krispy Kreme shops here went out of business. Chicago prefers Dunkin.

BenBurch · 19th May 2012, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

All the Krispy Kreme shops here went out of business. Chicago prefers Dunkin.

Because Krispy Kreme is "narsty" and DD coffee is better than Starbucks by a lot.

BenBurch · 19th May 2012, 07:25 AM

Some arrests in Bridgeview on Wednesday, just making the news; Terrorism related, they were making incendiary devices.

Their lawyers say no evidence exists.

We'll see.

Rumor among peace activists is that these were GOP activists intending to embarrass the President. I don't buy it; These were anarchists.

WildCat · 19th May 2012, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

'Police Preemptively Raid Apartment & Arrest Activists Ahead of NATO Summit'

***Chicago police have reportedly engaged in a preemptive raid against activists that planned to protest the NATO summit. The raid is believed to have taken place late last night in the Bridgeport neighborhood of Chicago.

The National Lawyers Guild reports:

…Police broke down a door to access a 6-unit apartment building near 32nd & Morgan Streets without a search warrant.

Oops, except that's just another Occutard lie.

"However, court records show that Cook County Judge Dennis Porter signed a search warrant Wednesday night."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,7539852.story

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Police entered an apartment with guns drawn and tackled one of the tenants to the floor in his kitchen. Two tenants were handcuffed for more than 2 hours in their living room while police searched their apartment and a neighboring unit, repeatedly calling one of the tenants a “Commie faggot.” A search warrant produced 4 hours after police broke into the apartment was missing a judge’s signature, according to witnesses. Among items seized by police in the Bridgeport raid were beer-making supplies and at least one cell phone…

Except it was issued by Judge Dennis Porter.

Originally Posted by JihadJane

These kinds of raids are the “hallmark of National Special Security Event,” says Sarah Gelsomino of the NLG and People’s Law Office. Gelsomino is correct. In fact, Michael Ratner and Margaret Ratner Kunstler document the “new paradigm of law enforcement” that is preemptive policing in their book Hell No! Your Right to Dissent.

Kunstler and Ratner call it the domestic version of preemptive war.***

The right to dissent does not include the right to throw molotov cocktails at people or property.

The 3 occutards charged with terrorism will enjoy their stay at 26th and California, no doubt. It's full of 1%ers, the criminal kind.

AlBell · 19th May 2012, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

...

The 3 occutards charged with terrorism will enjoy their stay at 26th and California, no doubt. It's full of 1%ers, the criminal kind.

Jailed with a bunch of Chicago pols sounds cruel & unusual to me.

WildCat · 19th May 2012, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by AlBell

Jailed with a bunch of Chicago pols sounds cruel & unusual to me.

No pols at Cook County jail, they all go to the federal lockup since no local or state law enforcement even investigates political corruption. Our state's atorney doesn't even consider it as part of her job, very convenient since her daddy is one of the most corrupt pols on the planet.

BenBurch · 19th May 2012, 10:51 AM

Wbbm-am says targets were Obama HQ, Mayor's house, and Chicago police offices.

WildCat · 19th May 2012, 11:33 AM

There's at least 3 helicopters within sight of my house now, they look to be hovering to the south and east of me, maybe over Wells Park?

eta: ah, there's a protester gathering at Horner Park, California and Irving.

WildCat · 19th May 2012, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

'Police Preemptively Raid Apartment & Arrest Activists Ahead of NATO Summit'

$1.5 million bail each for Jane's heroes.

That's a lot of spare change to beg from fellow occutards!

WildCat · 19th May 2012, 11:54 AM

So anyway the rally at Horner Park is called "Healthcare not Warfare", and soon they will march to Mayor Emmanuel's house a few blocks away.

What the mayor of Chicago has to do with NATO, warfare, or health care I have no idea.

BenBurch · 19th May 2012, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

$1.5 million bail each for Jane's heroes.

That's a lot of spare change to beg from fellow occutards!

I hope they never see the sky again. I'd throw them into the deepest most nasty oobliette imaginable.

10th May 2012, 08:16 AM	#41
wollclark Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Fort Payne, Alabama Posts: 274	Originally Posted by Travis Let me promise you that if the anarchists got their way I would become a mass destruction tyrant predator of humanity just to show them what happens when you remove authority. But only for about six months. I just wouldn't have the stamina for a rampage that lasts any longer. Then I'd say that's a mental issue you should look into with a therapist.
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10th May 2012, 01:13 PM	#42
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,941	Oh I every time I go to that therapist he says more weird things: you shouldn't be torturing animals Travis, you shouldn't be assembling explosives in the garage Travis, I might have to report your fantasies about minotaurs to the FBI. What does that quack know? To be honest though I have a very low opinion of humanity and believe removing authority tends to lead to terrible things.
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10th May 2012, 11:09 PM	#44
Laeke Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: France Posts: 443	Originally Posted by Virus How exactly is America militarily dominating Europe? Stationing troops there so you can keep your defence budgets down? The existence of NATO does, in part, justify bases, integrated commands, intelligence gathering, in other words an important American presence. NATO's purpose was after all to protect Western Europe. The USA are the senior partner and even a stiff increase in European defence budgets wouldn't change that fact. I'm not sure why you've gone the Robert Gates Way with your question since I actually agree to both the Atlantic defense and the fact the European military commitment must keep at certain levels and organized more efficiently. At the end of the day, whether you agree with it or not with the intent, NATO is a powerful tool in the hands of the USA to act on the European continent, and several people (well off anarchists with psychiatric problems, if I follow the logic in this thread, I think you miss "playing djembe on their iPhone") happen to disagree with either the substance, the philosophy or the methods of NATO and/or of some of its prominent members, esp. foreign policy and military matters.
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11th May 2012, 03:07 AM	#45
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,721	Originally Posted by Laeke The existence of NATO does, in part, justify bases, integrated commands, intelligence gathering, in other words an important American presence. NATO's purpose was after all to protect Western Europe. The USA are the senior partner and even a stiff increase in European defence budgets wouldn't change that fact. I'm not sure why you've gone the Robert Gates Way with your question since I actually agree to both the Atlantic defense and the fact the European military commitment must keep at certain levels and organized more efficiently. At the end of the day, whether you agree with it or not with the intent, NATO is a powerful tool in the hands of the USA to act on the European continent, and several people (well off anarchists with psychiatric problems, if I follow the logic in this thread, I think you miss "playing djembe on their iPhone") happen to disagree with either the substance, the philosophy or the methods of NATO and/or of some of its prominent members, esp. foreign policy and military matters. Your comment started well but then degenerated in Playschool.
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11th May 2012, 05:15 AM	#47
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,662	Originally Posted by tyr_13 For some, it is a hobby. Go out, yell, "**** the man," regardless of who the 'man' is, what they're doing, or if it will accomplish anything. It's a social function where they can play activist theater in order to bolster their image as such. Then there are those who dislike military, even if it is keeping peace (although they would argue that it's not possible to keep peace with military, but whatever). Then there are those who hate the western world, and for them NATO is an easy stand in. They have lots of bluster and fire, but few good arguments or reasonable goals. Many of them are just in a phase and those who aren't won't be satisfied with anything short of the end of western civilization. Nail. Head. Hit.
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10th May 2012, 07:11 PM	#43
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,523	Originally Posted by Travis Oh I every time I go to that therapist he says more weird things: you shouldn't be torturing animals Travis, you shouldn't be assembling explosives in the garage Travis, I might have to report your fantasies about minotaurs to the FBI. What does that quack know? To be honest though I have a very low opinion of humanity and believe removing authority tends to lead to terrible things. The kibbutzim in Israel are (or were) run on anarchist principles. There are anarchist communes in India too and I believe that some still exist in the Basque country. I personally don't want to live that way but I don't think that it is worse than all forms of authority.

11th May 2012, 05:12 AM	#46
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,019	Originally Posted by tomwaits Actually it was rocks. Originally Posted by BenBurch Yeah, I was asleep when they figured that out. 2 teenagers are in custody.

11th May 2012, 05:24 AM	#48
tomwaits Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 2,288	I'm not really sure that the NATO summit is actually going to draw that much of a crowd. During the Occupy Chicago stuff, I was commuting to the loop everyday and I almost didn't even notice it, until I went out to lunch with someone and we walked by the federal reserve building. Seemed like it was mostly just media hype. If Chicago was still hosting the G8 summit though, that would be a different matter altogether.

11th May 2012, 06:47 AM	#49
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,177	Originally Posted by Virus Actually most political radicals come from well-off backgrounds. And invariably, they are not smashing things in their own neighborhoods. Cities are just big piles of fun things to break and burn to them.
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11th May 2012, 06:48 AM	#50
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,177	Originally Posted by jj And, do they have "well-off" situations when they start with the nihilism? Really? It seems to me you're taking up a lot of territry there. There are several lines from the song "Common People" that come to mind.
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11th May 2012, 07:29 AM	#51
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,142	Originally Posted by WildCat 2 teenagers are in custody. Good. We had kids throwing wet snowballs at cars on Randall Road out here about 15 years ago. One of them was solid enough to go through the windshield of a pickup and decapitated the driver. This was Christmas Eve, if I recall, and he was on the way to spend it with his children...
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11th May 2012, 07:38 AM	#52
Laeke Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: France Posts: 443	Originally Posted by JihadJane Your comment started well but then degenerated in Playschool. How magnanimous of you. But unless I missed something... you missed something, that I thought was readily apparent.
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15th May 2012, 05:35 AM	#53
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,019	Originally Posted by wollclark Then I'd say that's a mental issue you should look into with a therapist. The protesters have your back Travis! Quote: During the NATO Protests During NATO Protests the Wellness Center will offer first aid, chemical decontamination, health consultation, herbal remedies, bodywork, massage, and more. ...................................... After the NATO Protests Community Care Nights: we will offer a variety of wellness care, including ear acupuncture, bodywork, reiki, herbs, nurses on hand. Specific offerings vary by date. Check website for details. http://chicago.indymedia.org/node/819 Maybe you just need some ear acupuncture or reiki and herbs?

16th May 2012, 07:01 PM	#54
Molinaro Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,031	Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer Because it gives them a chance to wear their edgy Guy Fawkes masks. That will soon be a crime here in Canada.
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17th May 2012, 07:43 AM	#55
AlBell Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,496	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus Originally Posted by ZirconBlue And, more importantly, TV cameras. This ^ And if they are lucky, police out-of-control ala '68 Dem Convention to broadcast to the world. ps. Why? god only knows; spoiled brats for part of it.
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17th May 2012, 09:10 AM	#56
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,142	Originally Posted by AlBell And if they are lucky, police out-of-control ala '68 Dem Convention to broadcast to the world. ps. Why? god only knows; spoiled brats for part of it. The Chicago Police will not play that game.
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17th May 2012, 01:00 PM	#57
AlBell Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,496	Originally Posted by BenBurch The Chicago Police will not play that game. Only time & tv cameras will tell on that assertion. ps. As to why, it's as good a reason as any to get out of moms' basement and hit the streets shouting and milling around; maybe even get a chance to destroy property.
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18th May 2012, 03:18 AM	#58
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,721	'Police Preemptively Raid Apartment & Arrest Activists Ahead of NATO Summit' **Chicago police have reportedly engaged in a preemptive raid against activists that planned to protest the NATO summit. The raid is believed to have taken place late last night in the Bridgeport neighborhood of Chicago. The National Lawyers Guild reports: …Police broke down a door to access a 6-unit apartment building near 32nd & Morgan Streets without a search warrant. Police entered an apartment with guns drawn and tackled one of the tenants to the floor in his kitchen. Two tenants were handcuffed for more than 2 hours in their living room while police searched their apartment and a neighboring unit, repeatedly calling one of the tenants a “Commie faggot.” A search warrant produced 4 hours after police broke into the apartment was missing a judge’s signature, according to witnesses. Among items seized by police in the Bridgeport raid were beer-making supplies and at least one cell phone… These kinds of raids are the “hallmark of National Special Security Event,” says Sarah Gelsomino of the NLG and People’s Law Office. Gelsomino is correct. In fact, Michael Ratner and Margaret Ratner Kunstler document the “new paradigm of law enforcement” that is preemptive policing in their book Hell No! Your Right to Dissent. Kunstler and Ratner call it the domestic version of preemptive war.**
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18th May 2012, 05:05 AM	#59
000063 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Not America. Posts: 4,735	Originally Posted by tomwaits It's never a bad idea to prepare for the worst, regardless of how unlikely it is. If you think this is bad, you should see some of the "just in case" plans the military has lying around. Including an attempted Girl Scout coup, I've read. Originally Posted by Virus There you have it. The best way to understand OWS would be as a bunch of JihadJanes. I don't think I've ever seen her say a bad word against them. Even when I asked her point-blank why they were dangling donuts on toy fishing lines at cops and how it furthers the cause they were protesting for, all I got was evasion and an eventual backpedal from calling them "protestors" to people committing "a harmless act of street theatre". So I quit asking. Originally Posted by kookbreaker And invariably, they are not smashing things in their own neighborhoods. Cities are just big piles of fun things to break and burn to them. Kind of like how OWS wants Other People to lose their money and property. When you point out that America is the world's 1%, they say they don't care. When you point out that there are Occupy protests in countries other than America, they hand-wave.
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18th May 2012, 05:07 AM	#60
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,523	Originally Posted by BenBurch Good. We had kids throwing wet snowballs at cars on Randall Road out here about 15 years ago. One of them was solid enough to go through the windshield of a pickup and decapitated the driver. This was Christmas Eve, if I recall, and he was on the way to spend it with his children... A snowball decapitated a driver?

18th May 2012, 05:12 AM	#61
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,142	Originally Posted by angrysoba A snowball decapitated a driver? Probably closer to an ice ball, but yes. Horrible.
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18th May 2012, 05:18 AM	#62
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,142	Originally Posted by 000063 Including an attempted Girl Scout coup, I've read. ... Did the newspaper have "Bat Boy" on the cover?
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18th May 2012, 05:58 AM	#63
000063 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Not America. Posts: 4,735	It's more of a thought exercise, to get them to think outside of the box. And Girl Scouts would certainly be an unconventional foe. They also allegedly have zombie invasion plans, though I have no idea why those plans would consist of 10 tell everyone about zombies. 20 if{zombies} then {shoot} 30 goto 20 It is rather difficult to find primary sources for either, though.
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18th May 2012, 06:09 AM	#64
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,142	Originally Posted by 000063 It's more of a thought exercise, to get them to think outside of the box. And Girl Scouts would certainly be an unconventional foe. They also allegedly have zombie invasion plans, though I have no idea why those plans would consist of 10 tell everyone about zombies. 20 if{zombies} then {shoot} 30 goto 20 It is rather difficult to find primary sources for either, though. When I worked in nuclear power safety, we had disaster exercises where we had to have a scenario that would result in core damage and release. Since it is very hard to come up with something not covered by the design, the things had to be quite a stretch. Like a 60 mph runaway freight train with explosive chemicals hits the 5 mph turnout and without derailing negotiates several severe tangents and goes over de-railers like they were not there and smashes into the turbine building with the resulting explosion severing the cooling lines.
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18th May 2012, 11:01 AM	#65
Corsair 115 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 8,564	Originally Posted by BenBurch Like a 60 mph runaway freight train with explosive chemicals hits the 5 mph turnout and without derailing negotiates several severe tangents and goes over de-railers like they were not there and smashes into the turbine building with the resulting explosion severing the cooling lines. I think you just described a scene from the next Michael Bay action film extravaganza!
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18th May 2012, 11:19 AM	#66
000063 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Not America. Posts: 4,735	Originally Posted by 000063 They also allegedly have zombie invasion plans, though I have no idea why those plans would consist of anything other than.... Wherps.
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18th May 2012, 11:45 AM	#67
bynmdsue Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,385	The CDC has a zombie scenario but I think that was just a way to get folks interested in disaster preparedness.

18th May 2012, 11:52 AM	#68
JihadJane Penultimate Satisfaction Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42,721	Be prepared: If you're going to protest NATO and are worried about uncover cops, carry a crispy creme donut and drop it on the ground...if you see a tear then you know they are cops.
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19th May 2012, 05:05 AM	#69
000063 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Not America. Posts: 4,735	Mocking cops: #winning
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19th May 2012, 06:09 AM	#70
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,019	Originally Posted by JihadJane Be prepared: If you're going to protest NATO and are worried about uncover cops, carry a crispy creme donut and drop it on the ground...if you see a tear then you know they are cops. All the Krispy Kreme shops here went out of business. Chicago prefers Dunkin.

19th May 2012, 06:51 AM	#71
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,142	Originally Posted by WildCat All the Krispy Kreme shops here went out of business. Chicago prefers Dunkin. Because Krispy Kreme is "narsty" and DD coffee is better than Starbucks by a lot.
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19th May 2012, 07:25 AM	#72
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,142	Some arrests in Bridgeview on Wednesday, just making the news; Terrorism related, they were making incendiary devices. Their lawyers say no evidence exists. We'll see. Rumor among peace activists is that these were GOP activists intending to embarrass the President. I don't buy it; These were anarchists.
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19th May 2012, 07:33 AM	#73
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,019	Originally Posted by JihadJane 'Police Preemptively Raid Apartment & Arrest Activists Ahead of NATO Summit' **Chicago police have reportedly engaged in a preemptive raid against activists that planned to protest the NATO summit. The raid is believed to have taken place late last night in the Bridgeport neighborhood of Chicago. The National Lawyers Guild reports:* …Police broke down a door to access a 6-unit apartment building near 32nd & Morgan Streets without a search warrant. Oops, except that's just another Occutard lie. "However, court records show that Cook County Judge Dennis Porter signed a search warrant Wednesday night." http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,7539852.story Originally Posted by JihadJane Police entered an apartment with guns drawn and tackled one of the tenants to the floor in his kitchen. Two tenants were handcuffed for more than 2 hours in their living room while police searched their apartment and a neighboring unit, repeatedly calling one of the tenants a “Commie faggot.” A search warrant produced 4 hours after police broke into the apartment was missing a judge’s signature, according to witnesses. Among items seized by police in the Bridgeport raid were beer-making supplies and at least one cell phone… Except it was issued by Judge Dennis Porter. Originally Posted by JihadJane These kinds of raids are the “hallmark of National Special Security Event,” says Sarah Gelsomino of the NLG and People’s Law Office. Gelsomino is correct. In fact, Michael Ratner and Margaret Ratner Kunstler document the “new paradigm of law enforcement” that is preemptive policing in their book Hell No! Your Right to Dissent. Kunstler and Ratner call it the domestic version of preemptive war.*** The right to dissent does not include the right to throw molotov cocktails at people or property. The 3 occutards charged with terrorism will enjoy their stay at 26th and California, no doubt. It's full of 1%ers, the criminal kind.

19th May 2012, 08:22 AM	#74
AlBell Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,496	Originally Posted by WildCat ... The 3 occutards charged with terrorism will enjoy their stay at 26th and California, no doubt. It's full of 1%ers, the criminal kind. Jailed with a bunch of Chicago pols sounds cruel & unusual to me.
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19th May 2012, 08:34 AM	#75
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,019	Originally Posted by AlBell Jailed with a bunch of Chicago pols sounds cruel & unusual to me. No pols at Cook County jail, they all go to the federal lockup since no local or state law enforcement even investigates political corruption. Our state's atorney doesn't even consider it as part of her job, very convenient since her daddy is one of the most corrupt pols on the planet.