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applecorped · 13th May 2012, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by DavidJames

Exactly, kinda like Limbaugh, Coulter, Beck, Hannity, etc. etc.

Those wacky comical Republicans.

I do it for free.

You're welcome.

Slayhamlet · 13th May 2012, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

I'm flabbergasted. That certainly can't be real.

It certainly can. She's schizo.

Neally · 14th May 2012, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

And look at how he changed his position.* He kept an open mind to the possibility that his then-current position might be wrong. He took note of new data as he got it (the opinions and experiences of his staff, friends, and his kids' friends' parents). He adjusted his position to fit that new data rather than adjusting the data to fit his position.

Most people don't buy that thoughtful reconsideration scenario that he presented and you repeat but rather go with the footnote explanation in your post.

Rather it was purely politically motivated in response to Biden's earlier comments.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us...tics.html?_r=1

MattusMaximus · 14th May 2012, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Peephole

Has this been posted yet?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/terri...gay-rant-ever/

Watch the guy behind her.

Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush

I had to eject at 2:08.

I'm assuming it doesn't start to magically make sense after that point.

That is the most bat**** crazy rant I've heard in a long, long time. My favorite line (which occurs at 2:54): "And this is deranged thinking."

MattusMaximus · 14th May 2012, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Slayhamlet

It certainly can. She's schizo.

Wow. The sad thing is that at least some of what she said in that video seems an awful lot like the bigoted crap I heard spewed by too many people in KY about gays when I was growing up there.

Twiggett · 15th May 2012, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

Wow. The sad thing is that at least some of what she said in that video seems an awful lot like the bigoted crap I heard spewed by too many people in KY about gays when I was growing up there.

First off, wow, that woman is either going senile or all her dogs aren't barking.

But seriously though, I have to question why it is you feel the need to mention the state of Kentucky. Are you trying to imply that there are more bigots here in the state I now call home? I am an Army brat, then served in the Navy myself and have lived all over the country and have not noticed any more or less backwards, ignorant behaviors and attitudes here than anywhere else. Perhaps you have some verifiable sources that lead you to make this apparent association? If so I would be interested in seeing them. If I am wrong and no association was intended, my apologies.

Travis · 15th May 2012, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Twiggett

First off, wow, that woman is either going senile or all her dogs aren't barking.

But seriously though, I have to question why it is you feel the need to mention the state of Kentucky. Are you trying to imply that there are more bigots here in the state I now call home? I am an Army brat, then served in the Navy myself and have lived all over the country and have not noticed any more or less backwards, ignorant behaviors and attitudes here than anywhere else. Perhaps you have some verifiable sources that lead you to make this apparent association? If so I would be interested in seeing them. If I am wrong and no association was intended, my apologies.

First off, welcome to the forums.

Second off, I am totally stealing the bolded bit.

Lastly, you need not worry about the reputation of Kentucky I used to take tech support calls from West Virginia so I know that's where the real weirdos congregate.

Originally Posted by Neally

Most people don't buy that thoughtful reconsideration scenario that he presented and you repeat but rather go with the footnote explanation in your post.

Rather it was purely politically motivated in response to Biden's earlier comments.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us...tics.html?_r=1

Let us say that this is exactly how it went down, so what? He still came out with an unprecedented progressive stance on a transformative issue.

Juniversal · 15th May 2012, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Twiggett

First off, wow, that woman is either going senile or all her dogs aren't barking.

But seriously though, I have to question why it is you feel the need to mention the state of Kentucky. Are you trying to imply that there are more bigots here in the state I now call home? I am an Army brat, then served in the Navy myself and have lived all over the country and have not noticed any more or less backwards, ignorant behaviors and attitudes here than anywhere else. Perhaps you have some verifiable sources that lead you to make this apparent association? If so I would be interested in seeing them. If I am wrong and no association was intended, my apologies.

Considering the lingering presence of the KKK i'd say Kentucky is a little more backwards then certain other states.

Admittedly they haven't traveled to Cincy and placed a cross on our fountain square in a while (and that alone speaks to there pathetic decline) but I think that sort of phenomenon speaks to the lingering backwards racial attitudes of many people regardless if they ever were members of a hate group or not.

Tsukasa Buddha · 16th May 2012, 12:26 AM

For the lulz, here is the Socialist presidential candidate on the matter:

Quote:

President Obama announced recently that he is personally for same-sex marriage, but believes the decision should be left up to the states. Many have cheered him on for taking the stance, but Socialist Party USA presidential candidate, Stewart Alexander, says that the stance is an appalling disregard of the human rights of homosexuals and bisexuals.
Alexander explains, “This is as if Lyndon Johnson had said he was for desegregation in the 1960’s, but thought it should be left up to the states. Segregation would still be going strong today and President Obama would have it staring him in the face at the Democratic National Convention in North Carolina later this year.”

Linky.

MattusMaximus · 17th May 2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Twiggett

First off, wow, that woman is either going senile or all her dogs aren't barking.

But seriously though, I have to question why it is you feel the need to mention the state of Kentucky. Are you trying to imply that there are more bigots here in the state I now call home? I am an Army brat, then served in the Navy myself and have lived all over the country and have not noticed any more or less backwards, ignorant behaviors and attitudes here than anywhere else. Perhaps you have some verifiable sources that lead you to make this apparent association? If so I would be interested in seeing them. If I am wrong and no association was intended, my apologies.

I mentioned KY specifically because that is where I grew up. You may or may not be able to speak to the attitudes towards gays in other places, but I was just mentioning KY as a reference point based upon my own personal history.

MattusMaximus · 17th May 2012, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha

For the lulz, here is the Socialist presidential candidate on the matter:

Linky.

But... but... I thought it was Obama who was the socialist?

RandFan · 17th May 2012, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

I mentioned KY specifically because that is where I grew up. You may or may not be able to speak to the attitudes towards gays in other places, but I was just mentioning KY as a reference point based upon my own personal history.

Good choice. They make delicious jelly.

MattusMaximus · 17th May 2012, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by RandFan

Good choice. They make delicious jelly.

RandFan · 17th May 2012, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...c5f01571c1.gif

I'll be here all week. Tip your waitress.

MattusMaximus · 18th May 2012, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by RandFan

I'll be here all week. Tip your waitress.

Giver her just the tip?

Twiggett · 22nd May 2012, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

I mentioned KY specifically because that is where I grew up. You may or may not be able to speak to the attitudes towards gays in other places, but I was just mentioning KY as a reference point based upon my own personal history.

Fair enough, thanks for answering my question, just wanted to understand where you were coming from.

Also, thanks for the welcome Travis.

RandFan · 22nd May 2012, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Twiggett

Fair enough, thanks for answering my question, just wanted to understand where you were coming from.

Also, thanks for the welcome Travis.

You are falling behind in the post count awfully fast son. Get posting. Your eternal soul depends on it.

Glad to have you Twiggett.

MattusMaximus · 23rd May 2012, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Twiggett

Fair enough, thanks for answering my question, just wanted to understand where you were coming from.

Also, thanks for the welcome Travis.

Welcome aboard, Twiggett.

pgwenthold · 23rd May 2012, 09:29 AM

Listening to OutQ radio (gay station, SiriusXM) yesterday and they mentioned a church where the pastor unapologetically calls for voting Obama out of office for his gay marriage stance. Barry Lynn has jumped on it and is trying to get the church's tax exempt status revoked. Clearly violates the requirements imposed on tax exempt organizations.

I'd love to see more of this as a fallout. Let them take the hit in $$$.

If I get a chance, I will start another thread about more church/gay issues.

BenBurch · 23rd May 2012, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

Giver her just the tip?

A promise is a promise!

(ten points if you know the joke that's a punch line to!)

BenBurch · 23rd May 2012, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Listening to OutQ radio (gay station, SiriusXM) yesterday and they mentioned a church where the pastor unapologetically calls for voting Obama out of office for his gay marriage stance. Barry Lynn has jumped on it and is trying to get the church's tax exempt status revoked. Clearly violates the requirements imposed on tax exempt organizations.

I'd love to see more of this as a fallout. Let them take the hit in $$$.

If I get a chance, I will start another thread about more church/gay issues.

But has anybody EVER pulled the tax exemption from a church for political statements from the pulpit?

MattusMaximus · 23rd May 2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

But has anybody EVER pulled the tax exemption from a church for political statements from the pulpit?

Yes, but I think it needs to happen much more often. Until the IRS gets more serious about enforcing these rules on churches, I think we're going to see more and more of this abuse of tax-exempt status.

Puppycow · 23rd May 2012, 07:41 PM

Back to main topic:

Since Obama made his shift, it appears that public opinion has also shifted, especially among the African-American community.

The NAACP came out in favor of same-sex marriage after Obama's shift, and now the polls have moved too:

After President Obama’s announcement, opposition to same-sex marriage hits record low

Quote:

Public opinion continues to shift in favor of same-sex marriage, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, which also finds initial signs that President Obama’s support for the idea may have changed a few minds.

Overall, 53 percent of Americans say gay marriage should be legal, hitting a high mark in support while showing a dramatic turnaround from just six years ago, when just 36 percent thought it should be legal. Thirty-nine percent, a new low, say gay marriage should be illegal.

The poll also finds that 59 percent of African Americans say they support same-sex marriage, up from an average of 41 percent in polls leading up to Obama’s announcement of his new position on the matter. Though statistically significant, it is a tentative result because of the relatively small sample of black voters in the poll.

pgwenthold · 24th May 2012, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Back to main topic:

Since Obama made his shift, it appears that public opinion has also shifted, especially among the African-American community.

The NAACP came out in favor of same-sex marriage after Obama's shift,

Of course, a few black churches have dug in, and are threatening to stop support of the NAACP and Obama, but the swing is pretty strong. There is no indication in the polls that it has hurt him, and if your information holds, it will mean that it will be a big swing in favor of marriage equality. It may be one of the significant civil rights statements in a long, long time.

ZirconBlue · 24th May 2012, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Of course, a few black churches have dug in, and are threatening to stop support of the NAACP and Obama, but the swing is pretty strong. There is no indication in the polls that it has hurt him, and if your information holds, it will mean that it will be a big swing in favor of marriage equality. It may be one of the significant civil rights statements in a long, long time.

If so, then it's too bad he didn't do this before the Amendment One vote here in NC.

BenBurch · 24th May 2012, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

If so, then it's too bad he didn't do this before the Amendment One vote here in NC.

Had he done so, it would have been spun as interfering with a state issue.

BenBurch · 2nd June 2012, 07:34 AM

The President has released a statement on the reaction to this issue;

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I AGREE

BenBurch · 8th June 2012, 10:15 AM

http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/06/25790/

Quote:

Great news: last week, the Committee on Jewish Law and Standards — which sets policy for the Conservative branch of American Judaism — voted 13-0 to formally approve same-sex weddings. The panel approved two ceremony templates — one more traditional and one more contemporary — that can individual rabbis can customize depending on the needs of each couple. Guidelines for same-sex divorce were also passed.

<SNIP>

13th May 2012, 06:44 PM	#281
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,624	Originally Posted by DavidJames Exactly, kinda like Limbaugh, Coulter, Beck, Hannity, etc. etc. Those wacky comical Republicans. I do it for free. You're welcome.
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14th May 2012, 04:54 PM	#283
Neally Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,059	Originally Posted by Upchurch And look at how he changed his position.* He kept an open mind to the possibility that his then-current position might be wrong. He took note of new data as he got it (the opinions and experiences of his staff, friends, and his kids' friends' parents). He adjusted his position to fit that new data rather than adjusting the data to fit his position. Most people don't buy that thoughtful reconsideration scenario that he presented and you repeat but rather go with the footnote explanation in your post. Rather it was purely politically motivated in response to Biden's earlier comments. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us...tics.html?_r=1
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14th May 2012, 07:56 PM	#284
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by Peephole Has this been posted yet? http://www.mediaite.com/online/terri...gay-rant-ever/ Watch the guy behind her. Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush I had to eject at 2:08. I'm assuming it doesn't start to magically make sense after that point. That is the most bat**** crazy rant I've heard in a long, long time. My favorite line (which occurs at 2:54): "And this is deranged thinking."
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14th May 2012, 08:01 PM	#285
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by Slayhamlet It certainly can. She's schizo. Wow. The sad thing is that at least some of what she said in that video seems an awful lot like the bigoted crap I heard spewed by too many people in KY about gays when I was growing up there.
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15th May 2012, 05:47 PM	#286
Twiggett Thinker Join Date: May 2012 Location: Kentucky Posts: 173	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus Wow. The sad thing is that at least some of what she said in that video seems an awful lot like the bigoted crap I heard spewed by too many people in KY about gays when I was growing up there. First off, wow, that woman is either going senile or all her dogs aren't barking. But seriously though, I have to question why it is you feel the need to mention the state of Kentucky. Are you trying to imply that there are more bigots here in the state I now call home? I am an Army brat, then served in the Navy myself and have lived all over the country and have not noticed any more or less backwards, ignorant behaviors and attitudes here than anywhere else. Perhaps you have some verifiable sources that lead you to make this apparent association? If so I would be interested in seeing them. If I am wrong and no association was intended, my apologies.
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13th May 2012, 06:48 PM	#282
Slayhamlet Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,427	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz I'm flabbergasted. That certainly can't be real. It certainly can. She's schizo.

15th May 2012, 08:05 PM	#287
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,937	Originally Posted by Twiggett First off, wow, that woman is either going senile or all her dogs aren't barking. But seriously though, I have to question why it is you feel the need to mention the state of Kentucky. Are you trying to imply that there are more bigots here in the state I now call home? I am an Army brat, then served in the Navy myself and have lived all over the country and have not noticed any more or less backwards, ignorant behaviors and attitudes here than anywhere else. Perhaps you have some verifiable sources that lead you to make this apparent association? If so I would be interested in seeing them. If I am wrong and no association was intended, my apologies. First off, welcome to the forums. Second off, I am totally stealing the bolded bit. Lastly, you need not worry about the reputation of Kentucky I used to take tech support calls from West Virginia so I know that's where the real weirdos congregate. Originally Posted by Neally Most people don't buy that thoughtful reconsideration scenario that he presented and you repeat but rather go with the footnote explanation in your post. Rather it was purely politically motivated in response to Biden's earlier comments. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/us...tics.html?_r=1 Let us say that this is exactly how it went down, so what? He still came out with an unprecedented progressive stance on a transformative issue.
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15th May 2012, 11:59 PM	#288
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16th May 2012, 12:26 AM	#289
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17th May 2012, 01:00 PM	#290
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by Twiggett First off, wow, that woman is either going senile or all her dogs aren't barking. But seriously though, I have to question why it is you feel the need to mention the state of Kentucky. Are you trying to imply that there are more bigots here in the state I now call home? I am an Army brat, then served in the Navy myself and have lived all over the country and have not noticed any more or less backwards, ignorant behaviors and attitudes here than anywhere else. Perhaps you have some verifiable sources that lead you to make this apparent association? If so I would be interested in seeing them. If I am wrong and no association was intended, my apologies. I mentioned KY specifically because that is where I grew up. You may or may not be able to speak to the attitudes towards gays in other places, but I was just mentioning KY as a reference point based upon my own personal history.
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17th May 2012, 01:01 PM	#291
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha For the lulz, here is the Socialist presidential candidate on the matter: Linky. But... but... I thought it was Obama who was the socialist?
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17th May 2012, 01:14 PM	#292
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,051	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus I mentioned KY specifically because that is where I grew up. You may or may not be able to speak to the attitudes towards gays in other places, but I was just mentioning KY as a reference point based upon my own personal history. Good choice. They make delicious jelly.
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17th May 2012, 07:18 PM	#293
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by RandFan Good choice. They make delicious jelly.
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17th May 2012, 10:11 PM	#294
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18th May 2012, 06:50 PM	#295
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by RandFan I'll be here all week. Tip your waitress. Giver her just the tip?
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22nd May 2012, 05:55 PM	#296
Twiggett Thinker Join Date: May 2012 Location: Kentucky Posts: 173	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus I mentioned KY specifically because that is where I grew up. You may or may not be able to speak to the attitudes towards gays in other places, but I was just mentioning KY as a reference point based upon my own personal history. Fair enough, thanks for answering my question, just wanted to understand where you were coming from. Also, thanks for the welcome Travis.

22nd May 2012, 06:05 PM	#297
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,051	Originally Posted by Twiggett Fair enough, thanks for answering my question, just wanted to understand where you were coming from. Also, thanks for the welcome Travis. You are falling behind in the post count awfully fast son. Get posting. Your eternal soul depends on it. Glad to have you Twiggett.
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23rd May 2012, 08:54 AM	#298
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by Twiggett Fair enough, thanks for answering my question, just wanted to understand where you were coming from. Also, thanks for the welcome Travis. Welcome aboard, Twiggett.
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23rd May 2012, 09:29 AM	#299
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,065	Listening to OutQ radio (gay station, SiriusXM) yesterday and they mentioned a church where the pastor unapologetically calls for voting Obama out of office for his gay marriage stance. Barry Lynn has jumped on it and is trying to get the church's tax exempt status revoked. Clearly violates the requirements imposed on tax exempt organizations. I'd love to see more of this as a fallout. Let them take the hit in $$$. If I get a chance, I will start another thread about more church/gay issues.
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23rd May 2012, 01:38 PM	#300
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,077	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus Giver her just the tip? A promise is a promise! (ten points if you know the joke that's a punch line to!)
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23rd May 2012, 01:41 PM	#301
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,077	Originally Posted by pgwenthold Listening to OutQ radio (gay station, SiriusXM) yesterday and they mentioned a church where the pastor unapologetically calls for voting Obama out of office for his gay marriage stance. Barry Lynn has jumped on it and is trying to get the church's tax exempt status revoked. Clearly violates the requirements imposed on tax exempt organizations. I'd love to see more of this as a fallout. Let them take the hit in $$$. If I get a chance, I will start another thread about more church/gay issues. But has anybody EVER pulled the tax exemption from a church for political statements from the pulpit?
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23rd May 2012, 05:48 PM	#302
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by BenBurch But has anybody EVER pulled the tax exemption from a church for political statements from the pulpit? Yes, but I think it needs to happen much more often. Until the IRS gets more serious about enforcing these rules on churches, I think we're going to see more and more of this abuse of tax-exempt status.
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23rd May 2012, 07:41 PM	#303
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,701	Back to main topic: Since Obama made his shift, it appears that public opinion has also shifted, especially among the African-American community. The NAACP came out in favor of same-sex marriage after Obama's shift, and now the polls have moved too: After President Obama’s announcement, opposition to same-sex marriage hits record low Quote: Public opinion continues to shift in favor of same-sex marriage, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, which also finds initial signs that President Obama’s support for the idea may have changed a few minds. Overall, 53 percent of Americans say gay marriage should be legal, hitting a high mark in support while showing a dramatic turnaround from just six years ago, when just 36 percent thought it should be legal. Thirty-nine percent, a new low, say gay marriage should be illegal. The poll also finds that 59 percent of African Americans say they support same-sex marriage, up from an average of 41 percent in polls leading up to Obama’s announcement of his new position on the matter. Though statistically significant, it is a tentative result because of the relatively small sample of black voters in the poll.
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24th May 2012, 07:01 AM	#304
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,065	Originally Posted by Puppycow Back to main topic: Since Obama made his shift, it appears that public opinion has also shifted, especially among the African-American community. The NAACP came out in favor of same-sex marriage after Obama's shift, Of course, a few black churches have dug in, and are threatening to stop support of the NAACP and Obama, but the swing is pretty strong. There is no indication in the polls that it has hurt him, and if your information holds, it will mean that it will be a big swing in favor of marriage equality. It may be one of the significant civil rights statements in a long, long time.
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24th May 2012, 07:55 AM	#305
ZirconBlue Sole Survivor of L-Town Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wilson, North Carolina, USA, Earth Posts: 11,311	Originally Posted by pgwenthold Of course, a few black churches have dug in, and are threatening to stop support of the NAACP and Obama, but the swing is pretty strong. There is no indication in the polls that it has hurt him, and if your information holds, it will mean that it will be a big swing in favor of marriage equality. It may be one of the significant civil rights statements in a long, long time. If so, then it's too bad he didn't do this before the Amendment One vote here in NC.
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24th May 2012, 02:55 PM	#306
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,077	Originally Posted by ZirconBlue If so, then it's too bad he didn't do this before the Amendment One vote here in NC. Had he done so, it would have been spun as interfering with a state issue.
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8th June 2012, 10:15 AM	#308
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,077	http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/06/25790/ Quote: Great news: last week, the Committee on Jewish Law and Standards — which sets policy for the Conservative branch of American Judaism — voted 13-0 to formally approve same-sex weddings. The panel approved two ceremony templates — one more traditional and one more contemporary — that can individual rabbis can customize depending on the needs of each couple. Guidelines for same-sex divorce were also passed. <SNIP>
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