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Dave Rogers · 15th May 2012, 10:55 AM

Yet.

brodski · 15th May 2012, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by nathan

My money's on Brooks et al blitzing the media so they then claim the jury pool is polluted and they cannot get a fair trial.

That won't work. So long as you are claiming innocence you cannot prejudice your own trial.

nathan · 15th May 2012, 11:28 AM

well, it didn't take them long to start claiming they won't get a fair trial. Just heard it on the radio.

Originally Posted by brodski

That won't work. So long as you are claiming innocence you cannot prejudice your own trial.

But I think they're going to get random media to attempt such prejudice, and then say 'who? moi? I have no idea where $paper got that untrue story'

richardm · 16th May 2012, 01:14 AM

You could try that, but it could be risky since it might leave those editors in line of fire for a contempt of court charge. Depends on who Murdoch thinks is now more expendable, perhaps?

The Don · 16th May 2012, 01:51 AM

I note from the television and radio this morning a number of people suggesting that prosecuting the Brooks' is a waste of time when there are so many more important things to consider at the moment.

Skepticemea · 16th May 2012, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I note from the television and radio this morning a number of people suggesting that prosecuting the Brooks' is a waste of time when there are so many more important things to consider at the moment.

Yup, prosecuting people for impeding criminal investigations is always a waste of time. Wonder how many of those people are on her Christmas card/**** list?

tomwaits · 19th May 2012, 03:49 AM

I was always told that the UK's libel laws were a lot harder on the defendant because the defendant has the burden of proving what they wrote was true. If that's the case, why is it that all these UK tabloids are so insane? How does the Daily Mail get away with all the nonsense that they publish?

Matthew Best · 19th May 2012, 06:46 AM

What have they lied about and who was libelled when they did so?

Darat · 19th May 2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by tomwaits

I was always told that the UK's libel laws were a lot harder on the defendant because the defendant has the burden of proving what they wrote was true. If that's the case, why is it that all these UK tabloids are so insane? How does the Daily Mail get away with all the nonsense that they publish?

It's only the rich who can usually afford to take action for libel so that means there is a huge slew of folk that the Daily Mail can get away with libelling. And they are sometimes taken to court for libelling some folk, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Libel_lawsuits

Quote:

...snip...

The Daily Mail has been involved in a number of notable libel suits. Among them are:
2001, February: Businessman Alan Sugar was awarded £100,000 in damages following a story commenting on his stewardship of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.[44]
2003, October: Actress Diana Rigg awarded £30,000 in damages over a story commenting on aspects of her personality.[45]
2006, May: £100,000 damages for Elton John, following false accusations concerning his manners and behaviour.[46]
2009, January: £30,000 award to Dr Austen Ivereigh, who had worked for Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, following false accusations made by the newspaper concerning abortion.[47]
2010, July: £47,500 award to Parameswaran Subramanyam for falsely claiming that he secretly sustained himself with hamburgers during a 23-day hunger strike in Parliament Square to draw attention to the plight of Tamils in Sri Lanka.[48]
2011, November: the former lifestyle adviser to Cherie Blair and Tony Blair, Carole Caplin received "substantial" libel damages over claims in the Mail that she was about to reveal intimate details about her former clients.[49]

...snip...

jimbob · 23rd May 2012, 09:55 AM

Not looking good for Piers Morgan either

Skeptic Ginger · 23rd May 2012, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Not looking good for Piers Morgan either

Whoa! Now that's an unexpected twist to this sordid tale.

angrysoba · 23rd May 2012, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Whoa! Now that's an unexpected twist to this sordid tale.

Mind you, in the original select committee hearing Louise Mensch had gone on about Piers Morgan. A lot of people were pissed off with her because it looked as if she was broadening the inquiry too much either to make it look like Rupert was no different from other editors or somehow take the heat off him. But it would be funny if Piers Morgan and Rupert Murdoch end up both going down.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahhah ahhah!

Blue Bubble · 24th May 2012, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Not looking good for Piers Morgan either

Quote:

Paxman said on Wednesday afternoon that at the same lunch he attended Morgan also teased TV presenter Ulrika Jonsson about the details of private conversations she had had with Sven-Göran Eriksson, at the time the England football manager.

What I don't understand: surely the two Swedes (Jonsson and Eriksson) would have conversed in their native language (Swedish), and I rather doubt Morgan or any of his cronies would have understood any of the conversation.

Dave Rogers · 24th May 2012, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Whoa! Now that's an unexpected twist to this sordid tale.

It's Jeremy Paxman I feel sorry for. He may never get to have lunch with Piers Morgan again.

Dave

uk_dave · 24th May 2012, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by Blue Bubble

What I don't understand: surely the two Swedes (Jonsson and Eriksson) would have conversed in their native language (Swedish), and I rather doubt Morgan or any of his cronies would have understood any of the conversation.

Maybe Morgan had picked up a few salient phrases from some Swedish... ahem... films?

jimbob · 24th May 2012, 12:46 PM

Not looking good for Hunt.

Darat · 24th May 2012, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Not looking good for Hunt.

Or for Cameron. At least we now know why Hunt kept his job when the close links to NI came to light!

jimbob · 24th May 2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

Or for Cameron. At least we now know why Hunt kept his job when the close links to NI came to light!

It keeps on giving.

And he longer Cameron holds on to fatally compromised ministers, the worse it reflects on him.

The Don · 25th May 2012, 12:01 AM

Hunt is acting as a very useful lightning rod to draw everyone's ire.

It does beggar belief that finding that Vince Cable is anti-Murdoch as the result of a sting is enough to get him removed from the decision making process but Hunt being unashamedly pro-Murdoch is fine because he was able to put this to one side and make an unbiased decision.

I'd have expected little different from the ConDems

Skepticemea · 25th May 2012, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Hunt is acting as a very useful lightning rod to draw everyone's ire.

It does beggar belief that finding that Vince Cable is anti-Murdoch as the result of a sting is enough to get him removed from the decision making process but Hunt being unashamedly pro-Murdoch is fine because he was able to put this to one side and make an unbiased decision.

I'd have expected little different from the ConDems

The pro-Murdoch email from Hunt to Cameron should stick like the proverbial **** to the blanky. Not sure Hunt can survive that as Call-Me-Dave may have to cut him adrift.

Sure does look like the PM put someone he was fully aware was in favour of the bid in change of adjudicating on it. Tut.

commandlinegamer · 25th May 2012, 05:58 AM

So we know now Jeremy Hunt is a karaoke fan.

Couple of suggestions if he's having a singalong party this weekend:

The Clash - "Should I stay, Or Should I Go?"

Englebert Humperdink - "Please Release Me"

The Don · 25th May 2012, 06:07 AM

The Jam - "News of the World"

jimbob · 25th May 2012, 07:18 AM

At work, if I used my gmail account to send an email to a colleague because I didn't want a record of the discussion, I'd be heavily punished.

It's a good job that Hunt only used his gmail account because he couldn't work out how to use his department's email system...

Damien Evans · 25th May 2012, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

The Jam - "News of the World"

Also Queen - News Of The World (album)

Darat · 25th May 2012, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Skepticemea

The pro-Murdoch email from Hunt to Cameron should stick like the proverbial **** to the blanky. Not sure Hunt can survive that as Call-Me-Dave may have to cut him adrift.

Sure does look like the PM put someone he was fully aware was in favour of the bid in change of adjudicating on it. Tut.

Problem for Cameron is now everyone knows that he knowingly placed a lobbyist for the deal in charge of it. If Hunt goes the political arrow points even more strongly in Cameron's direction. Hunt's probably in the strongest position any minister could hope to be when in dire straits i.e. vital for the PM's survival!

Darat · 25th May 2012, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

At work, if I used my gmail account to send an email to a colleague because I didn't want a record of the discussion, I'd be heavily punished.

...snip...

That would fall under "gross misconduct" in many of the companies I've worked in.

angrysoba · 25th May 2012, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

Problem for Cameron is now everyone knows that he knowingly placed a lobbyist for the deal in charge of it. If Hunt goes the political arrow points even more strongly in Cameron's direction. Hunt's probably in the strongest position any minister could hope to be when in dire straits i.e. vital for the PM's survival!

I agree. If Hunt gets the boot what else does he know that could sink Cameron?

malicus · 26th May 2012, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

Also Queen - News Of The World (album)

But first place...

The Wildhearts - "News of the World"

"'cos we're just wanters not needers,
hypocrites and cheaters, this is the
news of the world
pseudo-heroes masturbating our egos,
this is the news of the world
the news of the world..."

Mojo · 26th May 2012, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

That would fall under "gross misconduct" in many of the companies I've worked in.

I thought that was only if you did it 144 times.

Darat · 26th May 2012, 12:53 PM

nathan · 27th May 2012, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

At work, if I used my gmail account to send an email to a colleague because I didn't want a record of the discussion, I'd be heavily punished.

But why would he worry about that? HMG has no email archival system, apparently. (FOI requests from the guardian, IIRC failed to return the guardian's own emails. HMG claimed something like 'users empty their inboxes')

The Don · 28th May 2012, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Problem for Cameron is now everyone knows that he knowingly placed a lobbyist for the deal in charge of it.

Does Cameron even care ? He's currently the Prime Minister and at the moment is able to play off the opposing factions in his own party. He's in no immediate danger from his own party and only has to deal with Ed Millibland in the next election.

Mojo · 28th May 2012, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Boris Johnson's former communications chief threatened to use his contacts in the press to confront the BBC over its coverage of the Conservative mayor of London, suggesting that "good friends in No 10" could also be deployed against them, emails leaked to the Guardian reveal.

The threat of a "huge public fight" was levelled at senior BBC figures by Guto Harri, a former BBC correspondent himself, who announced last week that he was moving to become director of communications at News International.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...gn-against-bbc

angrysoba · 28th May 2012, 03:24 AM

Is anyone watching Tony Blairs talking about whether or not Murdoch helped him win the election. He says no even though they said he did at the time.

angrysoba · 28th May 2012, 04:55 AM

Oooh! Protestor disrupts the inquiry saying Tony Blairs was paid to go to war in Iraq by J.P Morgan!

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uk_dave · 28th May 2012, 04:57 AM

Conspiracy ~~twat~~ theorist interrupts proceedings. Apparently it's all JP Morgans fault.

angrysoba · 28th May 2012, 04:57 AM

Bit of a weird comment, "Europe was something that we [Rupert and I] used to row about."

tomwaits · 28th May 2012, 05:21 AM

Now that is a great protest. He manages to get in the camera, right next to Leveson, and you can easily understand his words. Contrast that with the pie thrown at Murdoch: you couldn't see it or hear the guy, the only thing you saw was Murdoch's wife throw a right hook.

The Don · 28th May 2012, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Is anyone watching Tony Blairs talking about whether or not Murdoch helped him win the election. He says no even though they said he did at the time.

Of course any comments that Tone may have made at the time suggesting that The Sun helped him win the election were merely jokes (in the same mould as the jokes that News International made suggesting that they have influenced election results

Rrose Selavy · 28th May 2012, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by tomwaits

Now that is a great protest. He manages to get in the camera, right next to Leveson, and you can easily understand his words. Contrast that with the pie thrown at Murdoch: you couldn't see it or hear the guy, the only thing you saw was Murdoch's wife throw a right hook.

and a great security risk. Whatever your view of the participants, he could have had a gun, a bomb and gone for Leveson or taken someone hostage, or killed himself.
Some heads backstage are probably going to roll.
And the lazy headlines and highlighted clips are going to be about some conspiracy goon (no not Blair) and not the substance (or not) of Blair's evidence.

15th May 2012, 10:55 AM	#1081
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15th May 2012, 11:15 AM	#1082
brodski Tea-Time toad Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15,090	Originally Posted by nathan My money's on Brooks et al blitzing the media so they then claim the jury pool is polluted and they cannot get a fair trial. That won't work. So long as you are claiming innocence you cannot prejudice your own trial.
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15th May 2012, 11:28 AM	#1083
nathan Zygoticly Phased Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arkham City Posts: 3,169	well, it didn't take them long to start claiming they won't get a fair trial. Just heard it on the radio. Originally Posted by brodski That won't work. So long as you are claiming innocence you cannot prejudice your own trial. But I think they're going to get random media to attempt such prejudice, and then say 'who? moi? I have no idea where $paper got that untrue story'
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16th May 2012, 01:14 AM	#1084
richardm Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,270	You could try that, but it could be risky since it might leave those editors in line of fire for a contempt of court charge. Depends on who Murdoch thinks is now more expendable, perhaps?
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16th May 2012, 01:53 AM	#1086
Skepticemea Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,277	Originally Posted by The Don I note from the television and radio this morning a number of people suggesting that prosecuting the Brooks' is a waste of time when there are so many more important things to consider at the moment. Yup, prosecuting people for impeding criminal investigations is always a waste of time. Wonder how many of those people are on her Christmas card/**** list?
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16th May 2012, 01:51 AM	#1085
The Don Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cymru Posts: 8,265	I note from the television and radio this morning a number of people suggesting that prosecuting the Brooks' is a waste of time when there are so many more important things to consider at the moment.

19th May 2012, 03:49 AM	#1087
tomwaits Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 2,288	I was always told that the UK's libel laws were a lot harder on the defendant because the defendant has the burden of proving what they wrote was true. If that's the case, why is it that all these UK tabloids are so insane? How does the Daily Mail get away with all the nonsense that they publish?

19th May 2012, 06:46 AM	#1088
Matthew Best Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester Square, London Posts: 4,147	What have they lied about and who was libelled when they did so?

19th May 2012, 08:40 AM	#1089
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,803	Originally Posted by tomwaits I was always told that the UK's libel laws were a lot harder on the defendant because the defendant has the burden of proving what they wrote was true. If that's the case, why is it that all these UK tabloids are so insane? How does the Daily Mail get away with all the nonsense that they publish? It's only the rich who can usually afford to take action for libel so that means there is a huge slew of folk that the Daily Mail can get away with libelling. And they are sometimes taken to court for libelling some folk, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Libel_lawsuits Quote: ...snip... The Daily Mail has been involved in a number of notable libel suits. Among them are: 2001, February: Businessman Alan Sugar was awarded £100,000 in damages following a story commenting on his stewardship of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.[44] 2003, October: Actress Diana Rigg awarded £30,000 in damages over a story commenting on aspects of her personality.[45] 2006, May: £100,000 damages for Elton John, following false accusations concerning his manners and behaviour.[46] 2009, January: £30,000 award to Dr Austen Ivereigh, who had worked for Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, following false accusations made by the newspaper concerning abortion.[47] 2010, July: £47,500 award to Parameswaran Subramanyam for falsely claiming that he secretly sustained himself with hamburgers during a 23-day hunger strike in Parliament Square to draw attention to the plight of Tamils in Sri Lanka.[48] 2011, November: the former lifestyle adviser to Cherie Blair and Tony Blair, Carole Caplin received "substantial" libel damages over claims in the Mail that she was about to reveal intimate details about her former clients.[49] ...snip...
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23rd May 2012, 09:55 AM	#1090
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Derbyshire, UK Posts: 5,166	Not looking good for Piers Morgan either
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23rd May 2012, 04:30 PM	#1091
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,628	Originally Posted by jimbob Not looking good for Piers Morgan either Whoa! Now that's an unexpected twist to this sordid tale.
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23rd May 2012, 05:43 PM	#1092
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,588	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Whoa! Now that's an unexpected twist to this sordid tale. Mind you, in the original select committee hearing Louise Mensch had gone on about Piers Morgan. A lot of people were pissed off with her because it looked as if she was broadening the inquiry too much either to make it look like Rupert was no different from other editors or somehow take the heat off him. But it would be funny if Piers Morgan and Rupert Murdoch end up both going down. Haaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahhah ahhah!

24th May 2012, 01:09 AM	#1093
Blue Bubble Sharper than a thorn Join Date: May 2005 Location: Duxford, Cambridgeshire, UK Posts: 2,227	Originally Posted by jimbob Not looking good for Piers Morgan either Quote: Paxman said on Wednesday afternoon that at the same lunch he attended Morgan also teased TV presenter Ulrika Jonsson about the details of private conversations she had had with Sven-Göran Eriksson, at the time the England football manager. What I don't understand: surely the two Swedes (Jonsson and Eriksson) would have conversed in their native language (Swedish), and I rather doubt Morgan or any of his cronies would have understood any of the conversation.

24th May 2012, 01:33 AM	#1094
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,894	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Whoa! Now that's an unexpected twist to this sordid tale. It's Jeremy Paxman I feel sorry for. He may never get to have lunch with Piers Morgan again. Dave
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24th May 2012, 02:34 AM	#1095
uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,866	Originally Posted by Blue Bubble What I don't understand: surely the two Swedes (Jonsson and Eriksson) would have conversed in their native language (Swedish), and I rather doubt Morgan or any of his cronies would have understood any of the conversation. Maybe Morgan had picked up a few salient phrases from some Swedish... ahem... films?
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24th May 2012, 12:46 PM	#1096
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Derbyshire, UK Posts: 5,166	Not looking good for Hunt.
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24th May 2012, 01:22 PM	#1097
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,803	Originally Posted by jimbob Not looking good for Hunt. Or for Cameron. At least we now know why Hunt kept his job when the close links to NI came to light!
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24th May 2012, 02:00 PM	#1098
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Derbyshire, UK Posts: 5,166	Originally Posted by Darat Or for Cameron. At least we now know why Hunt kept his job when the close links to NI came to light! It keeps on giving. And he longer Cameron holds on to fatally compromised ministers, the worse it reflects on him.
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25th May 2012, 12:01 AM	#1099
The Don Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cymru Posts: 8,265	Hunt is acting as a very useful lightning rod to draw everyone's ire. It does beggar belief that finding that Vince Cable is anti-Murdoch as the result of a sting is enough to get him removed from the decision making process but Hunt being unashamedly pro-Murdoch is fine because he was able to put this to one side and make an unbiased decision. I'd have expected little different from the ConDems

25th May 2012, 01:31 AM	#1100
Skepticemea Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,277	Originally Posted by The Don Hunt is acting as a very useful lightning rod to draw everyone's ire. It does beggar belief that finding that Vince Cable is anti-Murdoch as the result of a sting is enough to get him removed from the decision making process but Hunt being unashamedly pro-Murdoch is fine because he was able to put this to one side and make an unbiased decision. I'd have expected little different from the ConDems The pro-Murdoch email from Hunt to Cameron should stick like the proverbial **** to the blanky. Not sure Hunt can survive that as Call-Me-Dave may have to cut him adrift. Sure does look like the PM put someone he was fully aware was in favour of the bid in change of adjudicating on it. Tut.
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25th May 2012, 05:58 AM	#1101
commandlinegamer Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mazes of Menace Posts: 5,906	So we know now Jeremy Hunt is a karaoke fan. Couple of suggestions if he's having a singalong party this weekend: The Clash - "Should I stay, Or Should I Go?" Englebert Humperdink - "Please Release Me"
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25th May 2012, 06:07 AM	#1102
The Don Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cymru Posts: 8,265	The Jam - "News of the World"

25th May 2012, 07:18 AM	#1103
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Derbyshire, UK Posts: 5,166	At work, if I used my gmail account to send an email to a colleague because I didn't want a record of the discussion, I'd be heavily punished. It's a good job that Hunt only used his gmail account because he couldn't work out how to use his department's email system...
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25th May 2012, 09:20 AM	#1104
Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,310	Originally Posted by The Don The Jam - "News of the World" Also Queen - News Of The World (album)
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25th May 2012, 02:58 PM	#1105
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,803	Originally Posted by Skepticemea The pro-Murdoch email from Hunt to Cameron should stick like the proverbial **** to the blanky. Not sure Hunt can survive that as Call-Me-Dave may have to cut him adrift. Sure does look like the PM put someone he was fully aware was in favour of the bid in change of adjudicating on it. Tut. Problem for Cameron is now everyone knows that he knowingly placed a lobbyist for the deal in charge of it. If Hunt goes the political arrow points even more strongly in Cameron's direction. Hunt's probably in the strongest position any minister could hope to be when in dire straits i.e. vital for the PM's survival!
	__________________ If it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 1918-2008

25th May 2012, 02:59 PM	#1106
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,803	Originally Posted by jimbob At work, if I used my gmail account to send an email to a colleague because I didn't want a record of the discussion, I'd be heavily punished. ...snip... That would fall under "gross misconduct" in many of the companies I've worked in.
	__________________ If it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 1918-2008

25th May 2012, 07:25 PM	#1107
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,588	Originally Posted by Darat Problem for Cameron is now everyone knows that he knowingly placed a lobbyist for the deal in charge of it. If Hunt goes the political arrow points even more strongly in Cameron's direction. Hunt's probably in the strongest position any minister could hope to be when in dire straits i.e. vital for the PM's survival! I agree. If Hunt gets the boot what else does he know that could sink Cameron?

26th May 2012, 11:13 AM	#1108
malicus Muse Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 701	Originally Posted by Damien Evans Also Queen - News Of The World (album) But first place... The Wildhearts - "News of the World" "'cos we're just wanters not needers, hypocrites and cheaters, this is the news of the world pseudo-heroes masturbating our egos, this is the news of the world the news of the world..."
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26th May 2012, 11:36 AM	#1109
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,101	Originally Posted by Darat That would fall under "gross misconduct" in many of the companies I've worked in. I thought that was only if you did it 144 times.
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26th May 2012, 12:53 PM	#1110
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,803
	__________________ If it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 1918-2008

27th May 2012, 11:35 AM	#1111
nathan Zygoticly Phased Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arkham City Posts: 3,169	Originally Posted by jimbob At work, if I used my gmail account to send an email to a colleague because I didn't want a record of the discussion, I'd be heavily punished. But why would he worry about that? HMG has no email archival system, apparently. (FOI requests from the guardian, IIRC failed to return the guardian's own emails. HMG claimed something like 'users empty their inboxes')
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28th May 2012, 12:33 AM	#1112
The Don Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cymru Posts: 8,265	Originally Posted by Darat Problem for Cameron is now everyone knows that he knowingly placed a lobbyist for the deal in charge of it. Does Cameron even care ? He's currently the Prime Minister and at the moment is able to play off the opposing factions in his own party. He's in no immediate danger from his own party and only has to deal with Ed Millibland in the next election.

28th May 2012, 12:47 AM	#1113
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,101	Quote: Boris Johnson's former communications chief threatened to use his contacts in the press to confront the BBC over its coverage of the Conservative mayor of London, suggesting that "good friends in No 10" could also be deployed against them, emails leaked to the Guardian reveal. The threat of a "huge public fight" was levelled at senior BBC figures by Guto Harri, a former BBC correspondent himself, who announced last week that he was moving to become director of communications at News International. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...gn-against-bbc
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28th May 2012, 03:24 AM	#1114
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,588	Is anyone watching Tony Blairs talking about whether or not Murdoch helped him win the election. He says no even though they said he did at the time.

28th May 2012, 04:57 AM	#1116
uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,866	Conspiracy ~~twat~~ theorist interrupts proceedings. Apparently it's all JP Morgans fault.
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