Romney is ignoring the Hispanic vote - Page 2

Ausmerican · 30th May 2012, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by MaGZ

The true meaning of Native American.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Native_American

Do you have any idea how funny it is when you set something up as "true" and then supply a link to metapedia? The "editors" there wouldn't know "true" unless it came wrapped in a white sheet wearing a hood.

Puppycow · 5th June 2012, 05:17 PM

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...panics.php?m=1

He didn't seem to do much tailor his pitch to his audience. Maybe that's a good thing though because tailoring is basically pandering. And when he does pander it's kind of embarrassing. Like when he mentioned that he had grits for breakfast when campaigning in the south. This time at least he had the good sense not to mention his fondness for burritos.

Puppycow · 19th September 2012, 08:52 PM

On Air and Before Audiences, Romney Makes Push for Hispanic Vote

Quote:

Despite repeated inquiries, Mr. Romney avoided saying whether he would continue a program to suspend deportations of young illegal immigrants announced in June by President Obama. Instead he accused the president of using immigration as a “political football,” and he returned to a broad promise to “put in place a permanent solution” to the illegal immigration problem.

I'm not going to tell you. Elect me to find out the answer!
I thought his campaign people said they were going to start offering more specifics.

Quote:

Pressed for details, Mr. Romney said again that he would support giving legal permanent residence to illegal immigrants who serve in the military. But he also suggested he would support another big piece of a bill in Congress known as the Dream Act. “Kids that get higher education could get permanent residence,” Mr. Romney said, in what appeared to be another step away from his position during the nominating contests, when he said he opposed the Dream Act.

Is this a flip-flop? It sure sure doesn't sound like the Mitt Romney during the primaries earlier this year. If he's for a path to permanent residency through higher education or the military, those are the two main points of the Dream Act. I suppose he could argue that he's against that particular bill, but for similar policies with some tweaks, but he suggested no such thing during the primaries. Or is he just saying what he thinks they want to hear?

Quote:

Mr. Romney rejected mass deportation of illegal immigrants, but he sidestepped a question about whether he still supported encouraging “self-deportation” — encouraging such immigrants to leave the country by strictly enforcing immigration rules, a position he has advocated before.

“We are not going to round up people around the country and deport them,” he said. “Our system is not to deport people.”

So Romney is going to end deportations? Really? That would be going a lot farther than Obama. Or, again, is he just saying what he thinks they want to hear?

Quote:

Some of his most intriguing remarks, though, were not about Hispanics, but about gay and lesbian couples. In response to a question, he said that they should be able to “raise a family as they would choose.” In the past, he has sought to avoid discussing issues like adoption by gay parents, which many social and religious conservatives oppose.

Asked what advice he would give his children and grandchildren if they were gay and wished to marry, Mr. Romney replied: “Well, my kids are all married, so I’d be surprised,” before reiterating that he believes that marriage should be reserved for heterosexual couples.

So gay people should be able to “raise a family as they would choose,” but not if they would choose to raise a family as a married couple. Again, his instinct is to be as vague as possible, and avoid discussing issues that might be controversial.

Wudang · 20th September 2012, 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Not a Messerschmitt? I guess that's why he's no good at plane talking.

I'm sure I've heard him referred to as a real Focke.

Alferd_Packer · 20th September 2012, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

I'm sure I've heard him referred to as a real Focke.

His campaign's a total junker.

Magyar · 20th September 2012, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

That point might actually help Obama with a lot of voters. I've been wondering actually if Obama should make it a campaign issue. He's the first president in decades to actually make a big difference in stopping illegal immigration:

[url="http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/"]Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero—and Perhaps

I'm an immigrant and it's one of the few issues I disagree with the left on.
I think that the drop in current immigration levels have far more to do with the economy than on any policies.

Eddie Dane · 20th September 2012, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

On Air and Before Audiences, Romney Makes Push for Hispanic Vote

I'm not going to tell you. Elect me to find out the answer!
I thought his campaign people said they were going to start offering more specifics.

Is this a flip-flop? It sure sure doesn't sound like the Mitt Romney during the primaries earlier this year. If he's for a path to permanent residency through higher education or the military, those are the two main points of the Dream Act. I suppose he could argue that he's against that particular bill, but for similar policies with some tweaks, but he suggested no such thing during the primaries. Or is he just saying what he thinks they want to hear?

So Romney is going to end deportations? Really? That would be going a lot farther than Obama. Or, again, is he just saying what he thinks they want to hear?

So gay people should be able to “raise a family as they would choose,” but not if they would choose to raise a family as a married couple. Again, his instinct is to be as vague as possible, and avoid discussing issues that might be controversial.

The man is doing the split.

He is roughly on the same page as Obama, ad seen by his voting record.
But he has to pretend to be on board with the Teabaggers.

Then they send him out on the road to project this image outside the safety of the Teabagger bubble, meet the rest of the country face-to-face and answer questions.

There's nothing to envy in a man who's debasing himself and who's selling something he doesn't believe in.

Poor Mitt.

30th May 2012, 09:32 PM	#41
Ausmerican Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,381	Originally Posted by MaGZ The true meaning of Native American. http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Native_American Do you have any idea how funny it is when you set something up as "true" and then supply a link to metapedia? The "editors" there wouldn't know "true" unless it came wrapped in a white sheet wearing a hood.
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5th June 2012, 05:17 PM	#42
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,704	http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...panics.php?m=1 He didn't seem to do much tailor his pitch to his audience. Maybe that's a good thing though because tailoring is basically pandering. And when he does pander it's kind of embarrassing. Like when he mentioned that he had grits for breakfast when campaigning in the south. This time at least he had the good sense not to mention his fondness for burritos.
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19th September 2012, 08:52 PM	#43
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,704	On Air and Before Audiences, Romney Makes Push for Hispanic Vote Quote: Despite repeated inquiries, Mr. Romney avoided saying whether he would continue a program to suspend deportations of young illegal immigrants announced in June by President Obama. Instead he accused the president of using immigration as a “political football,” and he returned to a broad promise to “put in place a permanent solution” to the illegal immigration problem. I'm not going to tell you. Elect me to find out the answer! I thought his campaign people said they were going to start offering more specifics. Quote: Pressed for details, Mr. Romney said again that he would support giving legal permanent residence to illegal immigrants who serve in the military. But he also suggested he would support another big piece of a bill in Congress known as the Dream Act. “Kids that get higher education could get permanent residence,” Mr. Romney said, in what appeared to be another step away from his position during the nominating contests, when he said he opposed the Dream Act. Is this a flip-flop? It sure sure doesn't sound like the Mitt Romney during the primaries earlier this year. If he's for a path to permanent residency through higher education or the military, those are the two main points of the Dream Act. I suppose he could argue that he's against that particular bill, but for similar policies with some tweaks, but he suggested no such thing during the primaries. Or is he just saying what he thinks they want to hear? Quote: Mr. Romney rejected mass deportation of illegal immigrants, but he sidestepped a question about whether he still supported encouraging “self-deportation” — encouraging such immigrants to leave the country by strictly enforcing immigration rules, a position he has advocated before. “We are not going to round up people around the country and deport them,” he said. “Our system is not to deport people.” So Romney is going to end deportations? Really? That would be going a lot farther than Obama. Or, again, is he just saying what he thinks they want to hear? Quote: Some of his most intriguing remarks, though, were not about Hispanics, but about gay and lesbian couples. In response to a question, he said that they should be able to “raise a family as they would choose.” In the past, he has sought to avoid discussing issues like adoption by gay parents, which many social and religious conservatives oppose. Asked what advice he would give his children and grandchildren if they were gay and wished to marry, Mr. Romney replied: “Well, my kids are all married, so I’d be surprised,” before reiterating that he believes that marriage should be reserved for heterosexual couples. So gay people should be able to “raise a family as they would choose,” but not if they would choose to raise a family as a married couple. Again, his instinct is to be as vague as possible, and avoid discussing issues that might be controversial.
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20th September 2012, 03:54 AM	#44
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sheffield Posts: 8,242	Originally Posted by Tricky Not a Messerschmitt? I guess that's why he's no good at plane talking. I'm sure I've heard him referred to as a real Focke.
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20th September 2012, 04:23 AM	#45
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,191	Originally Posted by Wudang I'm sure I've heard him referred to as a real Focke. His campaign's a total junker.
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20th September 2012, 04:59 AM	#46
Magyar Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the edge of reason Posts: 1,541	Originally Posted by Puppycow That point might actually help Obama with a lot of voters. I've been wondering actually if Obama should make it a campaign issue. He's the first president in decades to actually make a big difference in stopping illegal immigration: [url="http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/"]Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero—and Perhaps I'm an immigrant and it's one of the few issues I disagree with the left on. I think that the drop in current immigration levels have far more to do with the economy than on any policies.
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20th September 2012, 05:53 AM	#47
Eddie Dane Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,416	Originally Posted by Puppycow On Air and Before Audiences, Romney Makes Push for Hispanic Vote I'm not going to tell you. Elect me to find out the answer! I thought his campaign people said they were going to start offering more specifics. Is this a flip-flop? It sure sure doesn't sound like the Mitt Romney during the primaries earlier this year. If he's for a path to permanent residency through higher education or the military, those are the two main points of the Dream Act. I suppose he could argue that he's against that particular bill, but for similar policies with some tweaks, but he suggested no such thing during the primaries. Or is he just saying what he thinks they want to hear? So Romney is going to end deportations? Really? That would be going a lot farther than Obama. Or, again, is he just saying what he thinks they want to hear? So gay people should be able to “raise a family as they would choose,” but not if they would choose to raise a family as a married couple. Again, his instinct is to be as vague as possible, and avoid discussing issues that might be controversial. The man is doing the split. He is roughly on the same page as Obama, ad seen by his voting record. But he has to pretend to be on board with the Teabaggers. Then they send him out on the road to project this image outside the safety of the Teabagger bubble, meet the rest of the country face-to-face and answer questions. There's nothing to envy in a man who's debasing himself and who's selling something he doesn't believe in. Poor Mitt.