The Life of Brian Debate - Page 2

catsmate1 · 17th June 2012, 07:07 AM

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FireGarden · 17th June 2012, 10:44 AM

The Eric Idle character who sings "Brightside of life" wasn't supposed to be Jesus -- Palin says that Jesus is played by a different actor during the Sermon on the Mount scene.

Sounds silly, but I had thought of the crucifiction scene as on a par with the Braveheart scene where William Wallace is hung, drawn and quartered but doesn't break.

Anybody who can sing (and maintain a philosophical attitude to events) while being crucified HAS to be superhuman. The bible version of "father, father, why have you foresaken me?" is a let down. It sounds like Jesus doubted himself at the end. Like he broke on the cross.

I'm sure that if the Life of Brian ending had been suggested to the authors of the Bible, they would have written things that way.

westprog · 17th June 2012, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by FireGarden

The Eric Idle character who sings "Brightside of life" wasn't supposed to be Jesus -- Palin says that Jesus is played by a different actor during the Sermon on the Mount scene.

Sounds silly, but I had thought of the crucifiction scene as on a par with the Braveheart scene where William Wallace is hung, drawn and quartered but doesn't break.

Anybody who can sing (and maintain a philosophical attitude to events) while being crucified HAS to be superhuman. The bible version of "father, father, why have you foresaken me?" is a let down. It sounds like Jesus doubted himself at the end. Like he broke on the cross.

I'm sure that if the Life of Brian ending had been suggested to the authors of the Bible, they would have written things that way.

When the Sheffield was sunk in the Falklands, with a number of the crew dead or horribly burned, while they were sitting on the deck waiting to be rescued, they sang "Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life".

FireGarden · 17th June 2012, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by westprog

When the Sheffield was sunk in the Falklands, with a number of the crew dead or horribly burned, while they were sitting on the deck waiting to be rescued, they sang "Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life".

Just think how much better my post could have been if you'd told me that story before I mentioned Braveheart....

bluesjnr · 17th June 2012, 12:47 PM

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epepke · 17th June 2012, 05:34 PM

I remember this whenever some raving Brit tries to say that Britain is practically atheist and only Americans are nuts. When this movie came out, my friend who was a serious fundamental evangelist understood it, loved it, and said that it was really quite historically accurate in how it portrayed the Messiah Biz at the time.

MG1962 · 17th June 2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by epepke

I remember this whenever some raving Brit tries to say that Britain is practically atheist and only Americans are nuts. When this movie came out, my friend who was a serious fundamental evangelist understood it, loved it, and said that it was really quite historically accurate in how it portrayed the Messiah Biz at the time.

Thats a very good point. After the Roman occupation the Jews really needed their Messiah, and there were plenty of people willing to step and fill the role

Marduk · 17th June 2012, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Thats a very good point. After the Roman occupation the Jews really needed their Messiah, and there were plenty of people willing to step and fill the role

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants

MG1962 · 17th June 2012, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Marduk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants

Surprised Simon-bar Giora didn't make the list. He along with Simon bar Kokhba was the closest anyone ever came to being the warrior Messiah the Jews expected

Marduk · 17th June 2012, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Surprised Simon-bar Giora didn't make the list. He along with Simon bar Kokhba was the closest anyone ever came to being the warrior Messiah the Jews expected

Robbing the rich and powerful and causing a reign of terror will do that for a Messiahs chances

ddt · 17th June 2012, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Surprised Simon-bar Giora didn't make the list. He along with Simon bar Kokhba was the closest anyone ever came to being the warrior Messiah the Jews expected

Jona Lendering does list him. Along with a whole slew more.

MG1962 · 17th June 2012, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by ddt

Jona Lendering does list him. Along with a whole slew more.

If his troops had shown more discipline he might have actually won.

ddt · 17th June 2012, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

If his troops had shown more discipline he might have actually won.

From whom? From the Romans, who were led by the real Messiah (according to Josephus)?

Or from the Zealots?

I don't think the Romans would have let him, they'd have reconquered Judea somehow, and had the means to do so.

westprog · 17th June 2012, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by FireGarden

Just think how much better my post could have been if you'd told me that story before I mentioned Braveheart....

Just delete, go back and repost...

Marduk · 18th June 2012, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by epepke

Britain is practically atheist and only Americans are nuts.

Nooo, I won't stand for that, that's an awful thing to say, Britain isn't practically atheist at all

Magic 9-Ball · 18th June 2012, 06:22 AM

A great find. I had seen only bits (naughty bits, mind you) previously, but not the whole debate. Thanks very much!

I still use quotes from the film all the time. My favorite: "Where's the fetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?!" Believe me, it's not easy to slide that into normal conversation!

Oystein · 18th June 2012, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

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Is there a clip of the brigadier stopping the proceedings as they've gotten too foolish?
It should be a staple, here.

Seconded

Oystein · 18th June 2012, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler

In high school, I was editor of our Latin newspaper when Life of Brian came out. I wanted to include transcripts of the "Romans Go Home" and the "What have the Romans ever done for us?" scenes--which were purely excerpts from Latin class. Alas! it was a Catholic high school, and even though my Latin teacher, Sr. Karen, got a kick out of those scenes, since the movie was officially condemned by the Church, she couldn't allow it.

I saw TLOB the first time on VHS when I was approx. in 7th or 8th grade (that would habe been early 80s) - in (catholic) religious education class

Our teacher, a priest, was ill; the substitute teacher, a young lad pretty fresh out of university, loved it.

Over time, the movie became a staple at our school, often shown in such substitution situations, or at the end of the semester as a reward. Everybody recognized it was provocative, but few considered it insulting. Mostly it was very very funny, and it certainly opened a few eyes to irrational rites of worship.

Foster Zygote · 18th June 2012, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Watched it for the first time just now. I have never seen two bigger a-holes than the Bishop and Muggeridge.

One thing that is very funny though is that Muggeridge makes a very big deal about how bad a movie it is, insulting it time and time again, and saying it will have no staying power. It is hilarious, now 33 years later, to see how even meta-entertainment about TLOB is still popular.

Revenge is slow but sweet.

I first heard of Muggeridge from Christipher Hitchens, who described him as "that old fraud and mountebank" while relating his role regarding the popularization of Mother Teresa. I was (and still am) a big Python fan but, not growing up in England, I knew nothing of the religious controversy it stirred up until years later. When I saw excerpts of the above debate in the LoB deluxe DVD, I remembered Muggeridge from his role in creating the Mother Teresa mythology.

dasmiller · 18th June 2012, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by CelticRose

They weren't poking fun at Jesus, in fact they treated Him with a surprising amount of respect. The film wasn't about Christianity, it was about mob mentality and celebrity and fans.

Ah, see, there's the rub. Life Of Brian (LOB) wasn't making fun of the messiah, but it was making fun of messiah-followers. So, from the bishop's perspective (though he may or may not have consciously realized this), LOB wasn't making fun of his god; it was making fun of the bishop himself.

And that is unforgivable.

jerrywayne · 19th June 2012, 05:18 PM

I was disappointed in Cleese and Palin's responses. There have been better comments made on this thread in defense of LOB against the spurious remarks of the bishop and Muggeridge than made by the Pythons. Were they surprised by the open hostility exhibited by the defenders of the faith and knocked off their game?

And funny how Muggeridge became such a film critic. Reminds me of when a local conservative columnist criticised Warren Beatty's REDS on the grounds that it was filmed in a way that highlighted Beatty's alleged "narcissism," or a national conservative pundit who criticised Woody Allen's CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS for too much symbolism. These guys want to criticise certain entertainment on religious or political grounds, but always seem so disgusted as to diss the entertainment's artistry as well, for good measure.

CelticRose · 19th June 2012, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by jerrywayne

I was disappointed in Cleese and Palin's responses. There have been better comments made on this thread in defense of LOB against the spurious remarks of the bishop and Muggeridge than made by the Pythons. Were they surprised by the open hostility exhibited by the defenders of the faith and knocked off their game?

They couldn't get a word in edgewise. Every time Cleese or Palin opened their mouths, Muggeridge or the bishop would talk over them.

Multivac · 20th June 2012, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by CelticRose

They couldn't get a word in edgewise. Every time Cleese or Palin opened their mouths, Muggeridge or the bishop would talk over them.

Also, they were just too damned polite to tell the bishop and Muggeridge that they are intolerant, pompous, hypocritical, smug twats.

angrysoba · 20th June 2012, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by jerrywayne

I was disappointed in Cleese and Palin's responses. There have been better comments made on this thread in defense of LOB against the spurious remarks of the bishop and Muggeridge than made by the Pythons. Were they surprised by the open hostility exhibited by the defenders of the faith and knocked off their game?

And funny how Muggeridge became such a film critic. Reminds me of when a local conservative columnist criticised Warren Beatty's REDS on the grounds that it was filmed in a way that highlighted Beatty's alleged "narcissism," or a national conservative pundit who criticised Woody Allen's CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS for too much symbolism. These guys want to criticise certain entertainment on religious or political grounds, but always seem so disgusted as to diss the entertainment's artistry as well, for good measure.

Originally Posted by CelticRose

They couldn't get a word in edgewise. Every time Cleese or Palin opened their mouths, Muggeridge or the bishop would talk over them.

Originally Posted by Multivac

Also, they were just too damned polite to tell the bishop and Muggeridge that they are intolerant, pompous, hypocritical, smug twats.

Cleese put up a bit of a fight. Palin was utterly wet.

The Pythons got owned, unfortunately, even if their opponents didn't have particularly good arguments. In fact, they really had nothing but wobbly outrage, making it even sadder that Cleese and Palin, especially Palin, so easily folded.

The sad thing is that a lot of Python fans and atheists don't seem to see the irony in their claims that the Bish and the Mug were really unfair with their hostile pisstaking.

Delvo · 20th June 2012, 10:32 AM

They should have told the guy in the dress who fondled his jewelry that it's OK to come out of the closet.

angrysoba · 20th June 2012, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Delvo

They should have told the guy in the dress who fondled his jewelry that it's OK to come out of the closet.

I think his homosexuality was an open-secret but I presume he could have risked being defrocked if it was an open indisputable fact.

17th June 2012, 10:44 AM	#42
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17th June 2012, 11:56 AM	#43
westprog Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,928	Originally Posted by FireGarden The Eric Idle character who sings "Brightside of life" wasn't supposed to be Jesus -- Palin says that Jesus is played by a different actor during the Sermon on the Mount scene. Sounds silly, but I had thought of the crucifiction scene as on a par with the Braveheart scene where William Wallace is hung, drawn and quartered but doesn't break. Anybody who can sing (and maintain a philosophical attitude to events) while being crucified HAS to be superhuman. The bible version of "father, father, why have you foresaken me?" is a let down. It sounds like Jesus doubted himself at the end. Like he broke on the cross. I'm sure that if the Life of Brian ending had been suggested to the authors of the Bible, they would have written things that way. When the Sheffield was sunk in the Falklands, with a number of the crew dead or horribly burned, while they were sitting on the deck waiting to be rescued, they sang "Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life".
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17th June 2012, 12:32 PM	#44
FireGarden Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Spannungsbogen -- without a visa Posts: 5,043	Originally Posted by westprog When the Sheffield was sunk in the Falklands, with a number of the crew dead or horribly burned, while they were sitting on the deck waiting to be rescued, they sang "Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life". Just think how much better my post could have been if you'd told me that story before I mentioned Braveheart....
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17th June 2012, 05:34 PM	#46
epepke Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,950	I remember this whenever some raving Brit tries to say that Britain is practically atheist and only Americans are nuts. When this movie came out, my friend who was a serious fundamental evangelist understood it, loved it, and said that it was really quite historically accurate in how it portrayed the Messiah Biz at the time.
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17th June 2012, 05:48 PM	#47
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by epepke I remember this whenever some raving Brit tries to say that Britain is practically atheist and only Americans are nuts. When this movie came out, my friend who was a serious fundamental evangelist understood it, loved it, and said that it was really quite historically accurate in how it portrayed the Messiah Biz at the time. Thats a very good point. After the Roman occupation the Jews really needed their Messiah, and there were plenty of people willing to step and fill the role

17th June 2012, 05:56 PM	#48
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by MG1962 Thats a very good point. After the Roman occupation the Jews really needed their Messiah, and there were plenty of people willing to step and fill the role http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants Jesus of Nazareth (ca. 5 BCE – 30 CE), leader of a small Jewish sect who was crucified; Jews who believed him to be the Messiah were the first Christians, also known as Jewish Christians. Christians and Messianic Jews believe him to be the real Messiah. Simon of Peraea (ca. 4 BCE), a former slave of Herod the Great who rebelled and was killed by the Romans.[3] Athronges (ca. 3 CE),[4] a shepherd turned rebel leader. Menahem ben Judah (?), allegedly son of Judas of Galilee, partook in a revolt against Agrippa II before being slain by a rival Zealot leader. Vespasian, c. 70, according to Josephus[5] Simon bar Kokhba (? – ca. 135), founded a short-lived Jewish state before being defeated in the Second Jewish-Roman War.

17th June 2012, 06:06 PM	#49
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Marduk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants Jesus of Nazareth (ca. 5 BCE – 30 CE), leader of a small Jewish sect who was crucified; Jews who believed him to be the Messiah were the first Christians, also known as Jewish Christians. Christians and Messianic Jews believe him to be the real Messiah. Simon of Peraea (ca. 4 BCE), a former slave of Herod the Great who rebelled and was killed by the Romans.[3] Athronges (ca. 3 CE),[4] a shepherd turned rebel leader. Menahem ben Judah (?), allegedly son of Judas of Galilee, partook in a revolt against Agrippa II before being slain by a rival Zealot leader. Vespasian, c. 70, according to Josephus[5] Simon bar Kokhba (? – ca. 135), founded a short-lived Jewish state before being defeated in the Second Jewish-Roman War. Surprised Simon-bar Giora didn't make the list. He along with Simon bar Kokhba was the closest anyone ever came to being the warrior Messiah the Jews expected

17th June 2012, 06:19 PM	#50
Marduk Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Newbury, Berkshire Posts: 10,242	Originally Posted by MG1962 Surprised Simon-bar Giora didn't make the list. He along with Simon bar Kokhba was the closest anyone ever came to being the warrior Messiah the Jews expected Robbing the rich and powerful and causing a reign of terror will do that for a Messiahs chances

17th June 2012, 06:22 PM	#51
ddt Mafia Penguin Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,329	Originally Posted by MG1962 Surprised Simon-bar Giora didn't make the list. He along with Simon bar Kokhba was the closest anyone ever came to being the warrior Messiah the Jews expected Jona Lendering does list him. Along with a whole slew more.
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17th June 2012, 06:37 PM	#52
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by ddt Jona Lendering does list him. Along with a whole slew more. If his troops had shown more discipline he might have actually won.

17th June 2012, 07:34 PM	#53
ddt Mafia Penguin Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,329	Originally Posted by MG1962 If his troops had shown more discipline he might have actually won. From whom? From the Romans, who were led by the real Messiah (according to Josephus)? Or from the Zealots? I don't think the Romans would have let him, they'd have reconquered Judea somehow, and had the means to do so.
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17th June 2012, 10:54 PM	#54
westprog Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,928	Originally Posted by FireGarden Just think how much better my post could have been if you'd told me that story before I mentioned Braveheart.... Just delete, go back and repost...
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18th June 2012, 05:05 AM	#55
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18th June 2012, 06:22 AM	#56
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18th June 2012, 06:36 AM	#57
Oystein Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 9,809	Originally Posted by I Ratant . Is there a clip of the brigadier stopping the proceedings as they've gotten too foolish? It should be a staple, here. Seconded

18th June 2012, 06:48 AM	#58
Oystein Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 9,809	Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler In high school, I was editor of our Latin newspaper when Life of Brian came out. I wanted to include transcripts of the "Romans Go Home" and the "What have the Romans ever done for us?" scenes--which were purely excerpts from Latin class. Alas! it was a Catholic high school, and even though my Latin teacher, Sr. Karen, got a kick out of those scenes, since the movie was officially condemned by the Church, she couldn't allow it. I saw TLOB the first time on VHS when I was approx. in 7th or 8th grade (that would habe been early 80s) - in (catholic) religious education class Our teacher, a priest, was ill; the substitute teacher, a young lad pretty fresh out of university, loved it. Over time, the movie became a staple at our school, often shown in such substitution situations, or at the end of the semester as a reward. Everybody recognized it was provocative, but few considered it insulting. Mostly it was very very funny, and it certainly opened a few eyes to irrational rites of worship.

18th June 2012, 07:20 AM	#59
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,407	Originally Posted by Tricky Watched it for the first time just now. I have never seen two bigger a-holes than the Bishop and Muggeridge. One thing that is very funny though is that Muggeridge makes a very big deal about how bad a movie it is, insulting it time and time again, and saying it will have no staying power. It is hilarious, now 33 years later, to see how even meta-entertainment about TLOB is still popular. Revenge is slow but sweet. I first heard of Muggeridge from Christipher Hitchens, who described him as "that old fraud and mountebank" while relating his role regarding the popularization of Mother Teresa. I was (and still am) a big Python fan but, not growing up in England, I knew nothing of the religious controversy it stirred up until years later. When I saw excerpts of the above debate in the LoB deluxe DVD, I remembered Muggeridge from his role in creating the Mother Teresa mythology.
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18th June 2012, 08:08 AM	#60
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19th June 2012, 05:18 PM	#61
jerrywayne Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 343	I was disappointed in Cleese and Palin's responses. There have been better comments made on this thread in defense of LOB against the spurious remarks of the bishop and Muggeridge than made by the Pythons. Were they surprised by the open hostility exhibited by the defenders of the faith and knocked off their game? And funny how Muggeridge became such a film critic. Reminds me of when a local conservative columnist criticised Warren Beatty's REDS on the grounds that it was filmed in a way that highlighted Beatty's alleged "narcissism," or a national conservative pundit who criticised Woody Allen's CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS for too much symbolism. These guys want to criticise certain entertainment on religious or political grounds, but always seem so disgusted as to diss the entertainment's artistry as well, for good measure.

19th June 2012, 07:23 PM	#62
CelticRose Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2009 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,380	Originally Posted by jerrywayne I was disappointed in Cleese and Palin's responses. There have been better comments made on this thread in defense of LOB against the spurious remarks of the bishop and Muggeridge than made by the Pythons. Were they surprised by the open hostility exhibited by the defenders of the faith and knocked off their game? They couldn't get a word in edgewise. Every time Cleese or Palin opened their mouths, Muggeridge or the bishop would talk over them.
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20th June 2012, 03:33 AM	#63
Multivac Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,947	Originally Posted by CelticRose They couldn't get a word in edgewise. Every time Cleese or Palin opened their mouths, Muggeridge or the bishop would talk over them. Also, they were just too damned polite to tell the bishop and Muggeridge that they are intolerant, pompous, hypocritical, smug twats.

20th June 2012, 05:05 AM	#64
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,588	Originally Posted by jerrywayne I was disappointed in Cleese and Palin's responses. There have been better comments made on this thread in defense of LOB against the spurious remarks of the bishop and Muggeridge than made by the Pythons. Were they surprised by the open hostility exhibited by the defenders of the faith and knocked off their game? And funny how Muggeridge became such a film critic. Reminds me of when a local conservative columnist criticised Warren Beatty's REDS on the grounds that it was filmed in a way that highlighted Beatty's alleged "narcissism," or a national conservative pundit who criticised Woody Allen's CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS for too much symbolism. These guys want to criticise certain entertainment on religious or political grounds, but always seem so disgusted as to diss the entertainment's artistry as well, for good measure. Originally Posted by CelticRose They couldn't get a word in edgewise. Every time Cleese or Palin opened their mouths, Muggeridge or the bishop would talk over them. Originally Posted by Multivac Also, they were just too damned polite to tell the bishop and Muggeridge that they are intolerant, pompous, hypocritical, smug twats. Cleese put up a bit of a fight. Palin was utterly wet. The Pythons got owned, unfortunately, even if their opponents didn't have particularly good arguments. In fact, they really had nothing but wobbly outrage, making it even sadder that Cleese and Palin, especially Palin, so easily folded. The sad thing is that a lot of Python fans and atheists don't seem to see the irony in their claims that the Bish and the Mug were really unfair with their hostile pisstaking.

20th June 2012, 10:32 AM	#65
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20th June 2012, 05:13 PM	#66
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,588	Originally Posted by Delvo They should have told the guy in the dress who fondled his jewelry that it's OK to come out of the closet. I think his homosexuality was an open-secret but I presume he could have risked being defrocked if it was an open indisputable fact.