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derchin · 18th June 2012, 06:26 PM

An interesting read. While I don't agree with everything, it's worth looking into.

Quote:

Barack Obama seems completely obsessed with systematically legalizing illegal immigration. The United States borders a failed narco-state that is one of the most crime-ridden nations on the entire planet, but Barack Obama refuses to secure the border and the consequences for the American people have been absolutely catastrophic. Right now it is already costing us tens of billions of dollars a year to provide welfare for illegal immigrants and to educate their children in our public schools. Right now illegal immigrants are already working millions of jobs that should belong to American workers. Right now Mexican drug cartels are already active in more than 1,000 U.S. cities. But apparently that is not good enough for Barack Obama. He wants to roll out the red carpet and give the green light to tens of millions more illegal immigrants. Last year, Obama issued a list of 19 factors for government officials to use when deciding whether to use "prosecutorial discretion" in deportation cases. In essence, under that new set of rules criminals and "national security threats" were to be deported and virtually everyone else was to be allowed to stay. But now Barack Obama has taken things to a whole new level. Now, if you are under the age of 30, came to the United States under the age of 16 and have lived here for at least five years you will be able to apply for legal status and a work permit. With the election less than 6 months away it is obvious that Barack Obama is pandering for votes. But this kind of "banana republic politics" is only going to divide America even more deeply and is going to result in some very serious pain for this nation in the years ahead.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...al-immigration

shemp · 18th June 2012, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by derchin

An interesting read. While I don't agree with everything, it's worth looking into.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...al-immigration

No.

MG1962 · 18th June 2012, 06:37 PM

It would be interesting to see deportation rates under G.W Bush

Unabogie · 18th June 2012, 06:38 PM

I've looked into it and found it wanting.

shemp · 18th June 2012, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Unabogie

I've looked into it and found it wanting.

By "wanting", do you mean "wacky survivalist CT website that spews lies and garbage"?

kerikiwi · 18th June 2012, 06:52 PM

They really need to decide what upsets them:
immigrants draining huge amounts of money in welfare payments, or immigrants making huge amounts of money by working instead of taking welfare payments.

BenBurch · 18th June 2012, 07:22 PM

I agree with Penn on this one; My America is the America of Emma Lazarus.

Puppycow · 18th June 2012, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by kerikiwi

They really need to decide what upsets them:
immigrants draining huge amounts of money in welfare payments, or immigrants making huge amounts of money by working instead of taking welfare payments.

False dichotomy.

Silly Green Monkey · 19th June 2012, 05:57 AM

As illegal immigration is made more and more legal, there will be less and less illegal immigration. Simple, really.

Lamuella · 19th June 2012, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by derchin

An interesting read.

In the way that Timecube is an interesting read, I agree.

Paul W · 19th June 2012, 06:20 AM

I was under the impression that illegal immigration started with the Pilgrim Fathers.

aggle-rithm · 19th June 2012, 06:32 AM

I haven't read it but, let me guess: Slippery slope?

The Shrike · 19th June 2012, 06:38 AM

I don't think the author of that piece knows what "absolutely catastrophic" means.

Meanwhile, haven't deportation rates under Obama actually been higher than under Bush?

crimresearch · 19th June 2012, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by shemp

By "wanting", do you mean "wacky survivalist CT website that spews lies and garbage"?

Or 'doesn't go far enough'?

crimresearch · 19th June 2012, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by derchin

An interesting read. While I don't agree with everything, it's worth looking into.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...al-immigration

Not unless the rest of the article is 'Just kidding... Now here's the reality'.

BStrong · 19th June 2012, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Paul W

I was under the impression that illegal immigration started with the Pilgrim Fathers.

You'll have to explain what statute was violated before the pilgrims could be termed "illegal."

godless dave · 19th June 2012, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

As illegal immigration is made more and more legal, there will be less and less illegal immigration. Simple, really.

Yep.

Mark6 · 19th June 2012, 07:00 AM

"Help! I am surrounded by brown people who talk funny!"

That's all what it is, really. My favorite take on this mindset is:

Bigots circa 1900 who railed against "subhuman hordes" of Irish, Italian and Jewish immigrants were afraid that future generations of Americans would not look like them, and would not like them much. They turned out to be right.

Sucks to be on a losing end of history.

MG1962 · 19th June 2012, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by The Shrike

I don't think the author of that piece knows what "absolutely catastrophic" means.

Meanwhile, haven't deportation rates under Obama actually been higher than under Bush?

Yep which makes some of this conservative out cry all the funnier. Bush clearly had far more important things to be thinking about, and this way down his 'to do list'

He actually, in his first term at least was really dealing with a catastrophic situation

Juniversal · 19th June 2012, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Mark6

"Help! I am surrounded by brown people who talk funny!"

That's all what it is, really. My favorite take on this mindset is:

Bigots circa 1900 who railed against "subhuman hordes" of Irish, Italian and Jewish immigrants were afraid that future generations of Americans would not look like them, and would not like them much. They turned out to be right.

Sucks to be on a losing end of history.

Not the best quality image but you get the idea.

Mark6 · 19th June 2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Juniversal

Not the best quality image but you get the idea.

http://static.thesocietypages.org/so...0/harpers1.gif

Actually the image is so bad I cannot tell what it is trying to say. I think it is portraying Irish (Irish-Iberian? Makes no sense) and Negroes as some kind of pre-human savages, but I am not sure.

Polaris · 19th June 2012, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Mark6

"Help! I am surrounded by brown people who talk funny!"

That's all what it is, really. My favorite take on this mindset is:

Bigots circa 1900 who railed against "subhuman hordes" of Irish, Italian and Jewish immigrants were afraid that future generations of Americans would not look like them, and would not like them much. They turned out to be right.

Sucks to be on a losing end of history.

But it's awesome being on the winning end with the hotter chicks.

Mark6 · 19th June 2012, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Polaris

But it's awesome being on the winning end with the hotter chicks.

I glanced at your post and misread it as "But it's awesome being on the winning end of hotter chicks"

Which still works!

Juniversal · 19th June 2012, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mark6

Actually the image is so bad I cannot tell what it is trying to say. I think it is portraying Irish (Irish-Iberian? Makes no sense) and Negroes as some kind of pre-human savages, but I am not sure.

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages...-of-the-irish/

You are correct. Here's the page I got the image from...^ They expound on the meaning of the image:

"This illustration ran in Harper’s Weekly magazine. Notice how the Irish are depicted as more similar to “Negros” than to “Anglo Teutonic” individuals, and both the Irish and Africans are caricatured as ape-like. It could also be useful for a discussion of scientific racism."

C_Felix · 19th June 2012, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

As illegal immigration is made more and more legal, there will be less and less illegal immigration. Simple, really.

This is what I was thinking.

If you make it legal, then illegal immigration, by definition does not (or cannot) exist, at least in this context.

Halfcentaur · 19th June 2012, 09:08 PM

I am continually surprised to find out how xenophobic people are here in the US. I say, if someone wants to come here, let them come. It makes me ill to see "E Pluribus Unum" regurgitated back as "In God We Trust".

18th June 2012, 06:26 PM	#1
derchin Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Here Posts: 333	What Will Happen If Barack Obama Continues To Legalize llegal Immigration An interesting read. While I don't agree with everything, it's worth looking into. Quote: Barack Obama seems completely obsessed with systematically legalizing illegal immigration. The United States borders a failed narco-state that is one of the most crime-ridden nations on the entire planet, but Barack Obama refuses to secure the border and the consequences for the American people have been absolutely catastrophic. Right now it is already costing us tens of billions of dollars a year to provide welfare for illegal immigrants and to educate their children in our public schools. Right now illegal immigrants are already working millions of jobs that should belong to American workers. Right now Mexican drug cartels are already active in more than 1,000 U.S. cities. But apparently that is not good enough for Barack Obama. He wants to roll out the red carpet and give the green light to tens of millions more illegal immigrants. Last year, Obama issued a list of 19 factors for government officials to use when deciding whether to use "prosecutorial discretion" in deportation cases. In essence, under that new set of rules criminals and "national security threats" were to be deported and virtually everyone else was to be allowed to stay. But now Barack Obama has taken things to a whole new level. Now, if you are under the age of 30, came to the United States under the age of 16 and have lived here for at least five years you will be able to apply for legal status and a work permit. With the election less than 6 months away it is obvious that Barack Obama is pandering for votes. But this kind of "banana republic politics" is only going to divide America even more deeply and is going to result in some very serious pain for this nation in the years ahead. http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...al-immigration
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18th June 2012, 06:33 PM	#2
shemp Timothy, Timothy, where on earth did you go? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: trapped in a cave-in with Joe Posts: 12,967	Originally Posted by derchin An interesting read. While I don't agree with everything, it's worth looking into. http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...al-immigration No.
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18th June 2012, 06:40 PM	#5
shemp Timothy, Timothy, where on earth did you go? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: trapped in a cave-in with Joe Posts: 12,967	Originally Posted by Unabogie I've looked into it and found it wanting. By "wanting", do you mean "wacky survivalist CT website that spews lies and garbage"?
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18th June 2012, 07:22 PM	#7
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18th June 2012, 07:54 PM	#8
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 16,019	Originally Posted by kerikiwi They really need to decide what upsets them: immigrants draining huge amounts of money in welfare payments, or immigrants making huge amounts of money by working instead of taking welfare payments. False dichotomy.
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18th June 2012, 06:37 PM	#3
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	It would be interesting to see deportation rates under G.W Bush

18th June 2012, 06:38 PM	#4
Unabogie Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 5,921	I've looked into it and found it wanting.

18th June 2012, 06:52 PM	#6
kerikiwi Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bay of Islands NZ Posts: 5,866	They really need to decide what upsets them: immigrants draining huge amounts of money in welfare payments, or immigrants making huge amounts of money by working instead of taking welfare payments.

19th June 2012, 05:57 AM	#9
Silly Green Monkey Cowardly Lurking in the Shadows of Greatness Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,093	As illegal immigration is made more and more legal, there will be less and less illegal immigration. Simple, really.

19th June 2012, 06:02 AM	#10
Lamuella Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,480	Originally Posted by derchin An interesting read. In the way that Timecube is an interesting read, I agree.
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19th June 2012, 06:20 AM	#11
Paul W Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 474	I was under the impression that illegal immigration started with the Pilgrim Fathers.
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19th June 2012, 06:32 AM	#12
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19th June 2012, 06:38 AM	#13
The Shrike Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,838	I don't think the author of that piece knows what "absolutely catastrophic" means. Meanwhile, haven't deportation rates under Obama actually been higher than under Bush?

19th June 2012, 06:39 AM	#14
crimresearch Alumbrado Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 10,618	Originally Posted by shemp By "wanting", do you mean "wacky survivalist CT website that spews lies and garbage"? Or 'doesn't go far enough'?
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19th June 2012, 06:42 AM	#15
crimresearch Alumbrado Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 10,618	Originally Posted by derchin An interesting read. While I don't agree with everything, it's worth looking into. http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...al-immigration Not unless the rest of the article is 'Just kidding... Now here's the reality'.
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19th June 2012, 06:44 AM	#16
BStrong Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: California Posts: 4,047	Originally Posted by Paul W I was under the impression that illegal immigration started with the Pilgrim Fathers. You'll have to explain what statute was violated before the pilgrims could be termed "illegal."

19th June 2012, 06:45 AM	#17
godless dave Great Dalmuti Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: St. Paul, Minnesota Posts: 6,137	Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey As illegal immigration is made more and more legal, there will be less and less illegal immigration. Simple, really. Yep.
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19th June 2012, 07:00 AM	#18
Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,252	"Help! I am surrounded by brown people who talk funny!" That's all what it is, really. My favorite take on this mindset is: Bigots circa 1900 who railed against "subhuman hordes" of Irish, Italian and Jewish immigrants were afraid that future generations of Americans would not look like them, and would not like them much. They turned out to be right. Sucks to be on a losing end of history.
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19th June 2012, 08:12 AM	#19
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by The Shrike I don't think the author of that piece knows what "absolutely catastrophic" means. Meanwhile, haven't deportation rates under Obama actually been higher than under Bush? Yep which makes some of this conservative out cry all the funnier. Bush clearly had far more important things to be thinking about, and this way down his 'to do list' He actually, in his first term at least was really dealing with a catastrophic situation

19th June 2012, 11:44 AM	#20
Juniversal CIA + FBI + NWO Employee Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cincinnati, USA Posts: 1,860	Originally Posted by Mark6 "Help! I am surrounded by brown people who talk funny!" That's all what it is, really. My favorite take on this mindset is: Bigots circa 1900 who railed against "subhuman hordes" of Irish, Italian and Jewish immigrants were afraid that future generations of Americans would not look like them, and would not like them much. They turned out to be right. Sucks to be on a losing end of history. Not the best quality image but you get the idea.
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19th June 2012, 11:46 AM	#21
Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,252	Originally Posted by Juniversal Not the best quality image but you get the idea. http://static.thesocietypages.org/so...0/harpers1.gif Actually the image is so bad I cannot tell what it is trying to say. I think it is portraying Irish (Irish-Iberian? Makes no sense) and Negroes as some kind of pre-human savages, but I am not sure.
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19th June 2012, 01:09 PM	#22
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,215	Originally Posted by Mark6 "Help! I am surrounded by brown people who talk funny!" That's all what it is, really. My favorite take on this mindset is: Bigots circa 1900 who railed against "subhuman hordes" of Irish, Italian and Jewish immigrants were afraid that future generations of Americans would not look like them, and would not like them much. They turned out to be right. Sucks to be on a losing end of history. But it's awesome being on the winning end with the hotter chicks.
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19th June 2012, 01:12 PM	#23
Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,252	Originally Posted by Polaris But it's awesome being on the winning end with the hotter chicks. I glanced at your post and misread it as "But it's awesome being on the winning end of hotter chicks" Which still works!
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19th June 2012, 04:25 PM	#24
Juniversal CIA + FBI + NWO Employee Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cincinnati, USA Posts: 1,860	Originally Posted by Mark6 Actually the image is so bad I cannot tell what it is trying to say. I think it is portraying Irish (Irish-Iberian? Makes no sense) and Negroes as some kind of pre-human savages, but I am not sure. http://thesocietypages.org/socimages...-of-the-irish/ You are correct. Here's the page I got the image from...^ They expound on the meaning of the image: "This illustration ran in Harper’s Weekly magazine. Notice how the Irish are depicted as more similar to “Negros” than to “Anglo Teutonic” individuals, and both the Irish and Africans are caricatured as ape-like. It could also be useful for a discussion of scientific racism."
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19th June 2012, 05:37 PM	#25
C_Felix Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Right outside Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,056	Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey As illegal immigration is made more and more legal, there will be less and less illegal immigration. Simple, really. This is what I was thinking. If you make it legal, then illegal immigration, by definition does not (or cannot) exist, at least in this context.
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19th June 2012, 09:08 PM	#26
Halfcentaur Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6,004	I am continually surprised to find out how xenophobic people are here in the US. I say, if someone wants to come here, let them come. It makes me ill to see "E Pluribus Unum" regurgitated back as "In God We Trust".
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