Canibalistic Causing Face-Eating Bath Salts Not To Blame

andyandy · 27th June 2012, 11:42 PM

Media drug hysteria unfounded: Shock!

Quote:

A medical examiner has ruled that marijuana was the only drug in the system of the Florida man shot dead while "eating" another man's face.

The Miami-Dade County medical examiner released the results of toxicology tests on 31-year-old Rudy Eugene on Wednesday. The tests found marijuana in his system, but no other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs.

Eugene was shot dead by police as he chewed on Ronald Poppo's face beside a busy highway in full daylight. In the aftermath of the attack Eugene was widely reported to have ingested a drug known as "bath salts", spawning a wave of media interest in the substance.

However the lab tests appear to have rendered the hysteria redundant, after the medical examiner's department ruling out the most common components of bath salts. An outside forensic toxicology lab also confirmed the results.

"The department has ruled out the most common drugs found in 'bath salts'," a press release from the ME's office said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...ing-bath-salts

Reminds me of (the self adopted media named) Meow Meow scare in the UK. Oh the horrors! Oh what will become of our youth? Oh, what? It didn't actually cause any deaths? Whatever....

The Dark Lord · 27th June 2012, 11:46 PM

Well, it could still be "bath salts," but just not one of the more common ones.

Voodoosix · 28th June 2012, 01:27 AM

maybe he just had a bad case of the munchies.

shuttlt · 28th June 2012, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by Voodoosix

maybe he just had a bad case of the munchies.

Or the other guy had a delicious looking face.

JFrankA · 28th June 2012, 03:04 AM

Here's my question and someone more knowledgeable about this stuff please answer: What exactly did they test for? They said "most commonly found in bath salts" but what, exactly did they look for? And how long do these drugs stay in the body? And could there be stuff in the "bath salts" that they never tested for but could've made this guy act like this?

Personally, I think this guy just followed his nature (the article states that he had violent tendencies to begin with), because honestly, I don't think simple marijuana would cause someone to do this.

I just get the feeling that this is going to be fuel for the anti-marijuana crowd now.

andyandy · 28th June 2012, 04:35 AM

Originally Posted by JFrankA

I don't think simple marijuana would cause someone to do this.

I just get the feeling that this is going to be fuel for the anti-marijuana crowd now.

A really bad case of the munchies?

ETA

Ah crap - I was beaten to that joke by 3 hours....

Wolfman · 28th June 2012, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by JFrankA

Here's my question and someone more knowledgeable about this stuff please answer: What exactly did they test for? They said "most commonly found in bath salts" but what, exactly did they look for? And how long do these drugs stay in the body? And could there be stuff in the "bath salts" that they never tested for but could've made this guy act like this?

Here's an article that has more info on the drug testing aspect. Essentially, they can test for suspected or known drugs, but there are numerous synthetic drugs that are so new that they don't know about them, or have tests to identify them. These tests essentially confirmed that none of the drugs they'd commonly expect to cause this behavior were involved, but can't do much more than that.

I'm curious about the "history of violence" thing...according to this report, he was not a typically violent person at all, and was not into drugs any harder than marijuana (a claim at least somewhat verified by these drug tests). I'm wondering how much of that "history of violence" stuff was similar to the "bath salts" stuff...a result more of unsubstantiated rumors and gossip than of actual facts.

Based on the evidence at hand, it seems to me most likely that he had some kind of psychotic break, possibly magnified by the marijuana, but very unlikely to have been caused by it.

Puppycow · 28th June 2012, 05:03 AM

They warned us about this in Reefer Madness.

kedo1981 · 28th June 2012, 05:19 AM

But did they test for zombie virus
nooooooooooooooo

Jaynbob42 · 28th June 2012, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by kedo1981

But did they test for zombie virus
nooooooooooooooo

Maybe they did, but the Umbrella Corporation hushed it up ;-)

ponderingturtle · 28th June 2012, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

They warned us about this in Reefer Madness.

Exactly. Pot turns you into crazed canabalistic killers!

Dessi · 28th June 2012, 07:34 AM

The man obviously had a psychotic episode. Its really impossible to tell whether drugs were involved at all, or if they were, which drugs were being used at the time.

Looks like the only drug left to point fingers at is cannabis, since that's the only thing identified in the man's' body. I expect the media to pick up on cannabis-induced psychosis, no matter that its totally impossible to diagnose at this point.

To the best of my knowledge, very strong doses of cannabis cause dissociation, cause people to feel paranoid, have irrational thoughts of persecution or self-criticism, feelings of being unreal, feelings of extreme anxiety and panic (happens when a user believe's they're overdosing or having a heart attack). Someone at the point is going to be so disoriented that it'd be a miracle if they could move in any coordinated fashion, if at all, much less attack someone.

Its hard to say what Mr Eugene was experiencing, but there's a good chance that the moral panic about drug-abuse turning people face-eating psychotic monsters is based on nothing.

Eddie Dane · 28th June 2012, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Or the other guy had a delicious looking face.

I'd expect homeless people to taste a bit gamy.

Weak Kitten · 28th June 2012, 07:57 AM

Thanks for the information Dessi. I only tried cannabis once but it was under pressure from my roommates in the first week of college. I can definitely state that if you are already in a bad state, in my case anxious and homesick, cannabis can make it worse. I would not be surprised if a psychotic episode could be enhanced by the drug.

However it is wrong to blame cannabis for the behavior or even the psychotic episode. As far as I can tell the drug can make everything stronger but it does not change a person's basic emotional state.

Alt+F4 · 28th June 2012, 08:09 AM

Does this mean the Zombie Apocalypse has been called off? Damn, I was looking forward to that.

Polaris · 28th June 2012, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

Does this mean the Zombie Apocalypse has been called off? Damn, I was looking forward to that.

Unload all your spare magazines, it's bad for the springs.

NewtonTrino · 28th June 2012, 08:22 AM

There's no way pot is causing anyone to eat anyone else's face unless they are already psychotic.

Bottom line, the guy is dead and we pretty much can only speculate why he went nuts.

Skeptic Ginger · 28th June 2012, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Voodoosix

maybe he just had a bad case of the munchies.

I want to know if the autopsy found the victim's nose among the dead guy's stomach contents. Eeeeww.

Skeptic Ginger · 28th June 2012, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by NewtonTrino

There's no way pot is causing anyone to eat anyone else's face unless they are already psychotic.

And maybe not even then. Pot just doesn't have that kind of effect.

Originally Posted by NewtonTrino

Bottom line, the guy is dead and we pretty much can only speculate why he went nuts.

Well there are only limited possibilities and there should be some indication of which possibility is most likely.

TragicMonkey · 28th June 2012, 08:48 AM

Too bad the truth will never catch up to the lie. Fifty years from now, someone will refer to "bath salts" and people will say "that drug that made that guy eat that other guy's face!"

PitPat · 28th June 2012, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Dessi

Looks like the only drug left to point fingers at is cannabis, since that's the only thing identified in the man's' body. I expect the media to pick up on cannabis-induced psychosis, no matter that its totally impossible to diagnose at this point.

They already did pick up on it the AP article I read.

http://news.yahoo.com/tests-only-mar...205604519.html

Quote:

An addiction expert said she wouldn't rule out marijuana causing the agitation.

"It could have been the strain of marijuana that increases the dopamine in the brain, such as sativa," said Dr. Patricia Junquera, assistant professor at the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine.

There are two strains of marijuana called sativa and indica. The sativa increases dopamine and gives you energy while decreasing pain threshold. Indica is a "sleepy high," she explained.

"People don't really know what the amount of either is in each little packet of marijuana," she explained. "And we can't differentiate between the two in the blood, much less in a dead person."

She also suggested that if Eugene had a mental disorder, "the marijuana could have increased even further the dopamine levels and aggravated the situation. So that can't be ruled out."

CORed · 28th June 2012, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Dessi

The man obviously had a psychotic episode. Its really impossible to tell whether drugs were involved at all, or if they were, which drugs were being used at the time.

Looks like the only drug left to point fingers at is cannabis, since that's the only thing identified in the man's' body. I expect the media to pick up on cannabis-induced psychosis, no matter that its totally impossible to diagnose at this point.

To the best of my knowledge, very strong doses of cannabis cause dissociation, cause people to feel paranoid, have irrational thoughts of persecution or self-criticism, feelings of being unreal, feelings of extreme anxiety and panic (happens when a user believe's they're overdosing or having a heart attack). Someone at the point is going to be so disoriented that it'd be a miracle if they could move in any coordinated fashion, if at all, much less attack someone.

Its hard to say what Mr Eugene was experiencing, but there's a good chance that the moral panic about drug-abuse turning people face-eating psychotic monsters is based on nothing.

Extensive experimentation with high doses of cannabis during my college years has led me to conclude that the primary effect of such doses (on me anyway) is a nasty headache.

Quad4_72 · 28th June 2012, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Polaris

Unload all your spare magazines, it's bad for the springs.

Nah. I always keep 5 AK47 magazines loaded at all times in case there is some sort of advanced zombie apocalypse that transforms people into zombies at a much faster rate in which I wouldn't have time to load up all of the ammunition before they started busting the door down.

Aardvark422 · 28th June 2012, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

I want to know if the autopsy found the victim's nose among the dead guy's stomach contents. Eeeeww.

Apparently the attacker didn't ingest any of the other guy's face, just ripped it off.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/0...n-stomach.html

Skeptic Ginger · 28th June 2012, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by PitPat

They already did pick up on it the AP article I read.

http://news.yahoo.com/tests-only-mar...205604519.html

Without some actual scientific evidence I believe this is what is called, utter poppycock.

Skeptic Ginger · 28th June 2012, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Aardvark422

Apparently the attacker didn't ingest any of the other guy's face, just ripped it off.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/0...n-stomach.html

So it was an attack using biting as a weapon and no cannibalism. I wonder why the police didn't say they found the nose or pieces of skin at the scene. You'd think they would have collected stuff like that as evidence.

TragicMonkey · 28th June 2012, 10:42 AM

So, the guy who ate someone's face because of bath salts turns out to have not eaten anyone's face and not to have been on bath salts. I suppose next we'll find out the guy is actually two ladies, the face was a butt, the victim was a dog, and it all happened in a movie. I have faith in our news reporters!

Aardvark422 · 28th June 2012, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

So it was an attack using biting as a weapon and no cannibalism. I wonder why the police didn't say they found the nose or pieces of skin at the scene. You'd think they would have collected stuff like that as evidence.

I don't think there's any indication that they didn't collect parts of the victim's face as evidence. And they might have collected the more identifiable parts, but until they opened up the attacker's stomach there was no way to know how much he swallowed, if any. Blech.

What would the authorities have done if the attacker had been captured alive, pumped his stomach? If they suspected that he ate parts of the guy's face, they can't just let him digest it along with the Wheaties he had for breakfast, right?

Polaris · 28th June 2012, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

So, the guy who ate someone's face because of bath salts turns out to have not eaten anyone's face and not to have been on bath salts. I suppose next we'll find out the guy is actually two ladies, the face was a butt, the victim was a dog, and it all happened in a movie. I have faith in our news reporters!

Did you get an advance screening of Madea Witness Protection or something?

Ausmerican · 28th June 2012, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

So, the guy who ate someone's face because of bath salts turns out to have not eaten anyone's face and not to have been on bath salts. I suppose next we'll find out the guy is actually two ladies, the face was a butt, the victim was a dog, and it all happened in a movie. I have faith in our news reporters!

Hey we still call Sam the Shill Joe the Plumber dont we?
This guy will be Bath Salts Cannibal forever.

Skeptic Ginger · 28th June 2012, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

So, the guy who ate someone's face because of bath salts turns out to have not eaten anyone's face and not to have been on bath salts. I suppose next we'll find out the guy is actually two ladies, the face was a butt, the victim was a dog, and it all happened in a movie. I have faith in our news reporters!

Actually, the face injuries were pretty horrific.

Checkmite · 28th June 2012, 04:03 PM

Confirming that he actually did chew the victim's face off.

Skeptic Ginger · 28th June 2012, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Aardvark422

...
What would the authorities have done if the attacker had been captured alive, pumped his stomach? If they suspected that he ate parts of the guy's face, they can't just let him digest it along with the Wheaties he had for breakfast, right?

I don't think it would have mattered as far as an assault/attempted murder conviction. But the Hannibal Lecter/Jeffrey Dahmer image could have remained a problem for the guy.

marplots · 28th June 2012, 05:59 PM

See what happens when you take your eye off the Satanic cults?

Halfcentaur · 29th June 2012, 01:53 AM

I think this is a case of mental illness and superstition. If I'm not mistaken his GF claimed he may be possessed and they dabble in Santeria.

Polaris · 29th June 2012, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Halfcentaur

I think this is a case of mental illness and superstition. If I'm not mistaken his GF claimed he may be possessed and they dabble in Santeria.

Hadn't heard that bit, but in nearly all the stories I've read about him, people who knew him went out of their way to mention how religious he was, how he always had a Bible, and was reading the Quran, etc. It wouldn't surprise me.

Because the religious never do anything horrible.

shuttlt · 29th June 2012, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Polaris

Because the religious never do anything horrible.

No truly religious people do.

The Dark Lord · 29th June 2012, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by shuttlt

No truly religious people do.

I suppose if a defining characteristic of "truly religious" is not doing horrible things. But then that seems pretty circular.

shuttlt · 29th June 2012, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

I suppose if a defining characteristic of "truly religious" is not doing horrible things. But then that seems pretty circular.

No truly religious arguments are circular.

cosmicaug · 29th June 2012, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by PitPat

They already did pick up on it the AP article I read.

Quote:

An addiction expert said she wouldn't rule out marijuana causing the agitation.

"It could have been the strain of marijuana that increases the dopamine in the brain, such as sativa," said Dr. Patricia Junquera, assistant professor at the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine.

There are two strains of marijuana called sativa and indica. The sativa increases dopamine and gives you energy while decreasing pain threshold. Indica is a "sleepy high," she explained.

"People don't really know what the amount of either is in each little packet of marijuana," she explained. "And we can't differentiate between the two in the blood, much less in a dead person."

She also suggested that if Eugene had a mental disorder, "the marijuana could have increased even further the dopamine levels and aggravated the situation. So that can't be ruled out."

http: //news.yahoo.com/tests-only-marijuana-face-chewers-system-205604519.html

I'm going to be a lazy bastard and not even do a Pubmed search and call BS* on the dopamine stuff over here. I think it's just an attempt to link cannabis to teh crazies by means of dopamine pathways by means of using the dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia as a premise. Ergo cannabis obviously made this guy rip Poppo's face with his teeth. QED.

* Is "BS" against the rules here?

27th June 2012, 11:42 PM	#1
andyandy anthropomorphic ape Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: up a tree Posts: 8,190	Canibalistic Causing Face-Eating Bath Salts Not To Blame Media drug hysteria unfounded: Shock! Quote: A medical examiner has ruled that marijuana was the only drug in the system of the Florida man shot dead while "eating" another man's face. The Miami-Dade County medical examiner released the results of toxicology tests on 31-year-old Rudy Eugene on Wednesday. The tests found marijuana in his system, but no other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs. Eugene was shot dead by police as he chewed on Ronald Poppo's face beside a busy highway in full daylight. In the aftermath of the attack Eugene was widely reported to have ingested a drug known as "bath salts", spawning a wave of media interest in the substance. However the lab tests appear to have rendered the hysteria redundant, after the medical examiner's department ruling out the most common components of bath salts. An outside forensic toxicology lab also confirmed the results. "The department has ruled out the most common drugs found in 'bath salts'," a press release from the ME's office said. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...ing-bath-salts Reminds me of (the self adopted media named) Meow Meow scare in the UK. Oh the horrors! Oh what will become of our youth? Oh, what? It didn't actually cause any deaths? Whatever....
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27th June 2012, 11:46 PM	#2
The Dark Lord Suspended Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,860	Well, it could still be "bath salts," but just not one of the more common ones.
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28th June 2012, 01:27 AM	#3
Voodoosix Thinker Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 152	maybe he just had a bad case of the munchies.
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28th June 2012, 01:29 AM	#4
shuttlt Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,927	Originally Posted by Voodoosix maybe he just had a bad case of the munchies. Or the other guy had a delicious looking face.
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28th June 2012, 03:04 AM	#5
JFrankA Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Hartford, CT Posts: 4,054	Here's my question and someone more knowledgeable about this stuff please answer: What exactly did they test for? They said "most commonly found in bath salts" but what, exactly did they look for? And how long do these drugs stay in the body? And could there be stuff in the "bath salts" that they never tested for but could've made this guy act like this? Personally, I think this guy just followed his nature (the article states that he had violent tendencies to begin with), because honestly, I don't think simple marijuana would cause someone to do this. I just get the feeling that this is going to be fuel for the anti-marijuana crowd now.
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28th June 2012, 04:35 AM	#6
andyandy anthropomorphic ape Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: up a tree Posts: 8,190	Originally Posted by JFrankA I don't think simple marijuana would cause someone to do this. I just get the feeling that this is going to be fuel for the anti-marijuana crowd now. A really bad case of the munchies? ETA Ah crap - I was beaten to that joke by 3 hours....
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28th June 2012, 04:52 AM	#7
Wolfman Chief Solipsistic Autosycophant Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dongguan, China Posts: 11,809	Originally Posted by JFrankA Here's my question and someone more knowledgeable about this stuff please answer: What exactly did they test for? They said "most commonly found in bath salts" but what, exactly did they look for? And how long do these drugs stay in the body? And could there be stuff in the "bath salts" that they never tested for but could've made this guy act like this? Here's an article that has more info on the drug testing aspect. Essentially, they can test for suspected or known drugs, but there are numerous synthetic drugs that are so new that they don't know about them, or have tests to identify them. These tests essentially confirmed that none of the drugs they'd commonly expect to cause this behavior were involved, but can't do much more than that. I'm curious about the "history of violence" thing...according to this report, he was not a typically violent person at all, and was not into drugs any harder than marijuana (a claim at least somewhat verified by these drug tests). I'm wondering how much of that "history of violence" stuff was similar to the "bath salts" stuff...a result more of unsubstantiated rumors and gossip than of actual facts. Based on the evidence at hand, it seems to me most likely that he had some kind of psychotic break, possibly magnified by the marijuana, but very unlikely to have been caused by it.
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28th June 2012, 05:03 AM	#8
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28th June 2012, 05:19 AM	#9
kedo1981 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: ohio Posts: 2,075	But did they test for zombie virus nooooooooooooooo
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28th June 2012, 05:24 AM	#10
Jaynbob42 Student Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 36	Originally Posted by kedo1981 But did they test for zombie virus nooooooooooooooo Maybe they did, but the Umbrella Corporation hushed it up ;-)
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28th June 2012, 07:32 AM	#11
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,417	Originally Posted by Puppycow They warned us about this in Reefer Madness. Exactly. Pot turns you into crazed canabalistic killers!
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28th June 2012, 07:34 AM	#12
Dessi Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 1,904	The man obviously had a psychotic episode. Its really impossible to tell whether drugs were involved at all, or if they were, which drugs were being used at the time. Looks like the only drug left to point fingers at is cannabis, since that's the only thing identified in the man's' body. I expect the media to pick up on cannabis-induced psychosis, no matter that its totally impossible to diagnose at this point. To the best of my knowledge, very strong doses of cannabis cause dissociation, cause people to feel paranoid, have irrational thoughts of persecution or self-criticism, feelings of being unreal, feelings of extreme anxiety and panic (happens when a user believe's they're overdosing or having a heart attack). Someone at the point is going to be so disoriented that it'd be a miracle if they could move in any coordinated fashion, if at all, much less attack someone. Its hard to say what Mr Eugene was experiencing, but there's a good chance that the moral panic about drug-abuse turning people face-eating psychotic monsters is based on nothing.
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28th June 2012, 07:47 AM	#13
Eddie Dane Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,416	Originally Posted by shuttlt Or the other guy had a delicious looking face. I'd expect homeless people to taste a bit gamy.

28th June 2012, 07:57 AM	#14
Weak Kitten Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lost and lonely...will you be my friend? Posts: 1,717	Thanks for the information Dessi. I only tried cannabis once but it was under pressure from my roommates in the first week of college. I can definitely state that if you are already in a bad state, in my case anxious and homesick, cannabis can make it worse. I would not be surprised if a psychotic episode could be enhanced by the drug. However it is wrong to blame cannabis for the behavior or even the psychotic episode. As far as I can tell the drug can make everything stronger but it does not change a person's basic emotional state.
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28th June 2012, 08:09 AM	#15
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28th June 2012, 08:12 AM	#16
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,167	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 Does this mean the Zombie Apocalypse has been called off? Damn, I was looking forward to that. Unload all your spare magazines, it's bad for the springs.
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28th June 2012, 08:22 AM	#17
NewtonTrino Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 3,782	There's no way pot is causing anyone to eat anyone else's face unless they are already psychotic. Bottom line, the guy is dead and we pretty much can only speculate why he went nuts.

28th June 2012, 08:31 AM	#18
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,507	Originally Posted by Voodoosix maybe he just had a bad case of the munchies. I want to know if the autopsy found the victim's nose among the dead guy's stomach contents. Eeeeww.
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28th June 2012, 08:34 AM	#19
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,507	Originally Posted by NewtonTrino There's no way pot is causing anyone to eat anyone else's face unless they are already psychotic. And maybe not even then. Pot just doesn't have that kind of effect. Originally Posted by NewtonTrino Bottom line, the guy is dead and we pretty much can only speculate why he went nuts. Well there are only limited possibilities and there should be some indication of which possibility is most likely.
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28th June 2012, 08:48 AM	#20
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,055	Too bad the truth will never catch up to the lie. Fifty years from now, someone will refer to "bath salts" and people will say "that drug that made that guy eat that other guy's face!"
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28th June 2012, 09:12 AM	#21
PitPat Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 579	Originally Posted by Dessi Looks like the only drug left to point fingers at is cannabis, since that's the only thing identified in the man's' body. I expect the media to pick up on cannabis-induced psychosis, no matter that its totally impossible to diagnose at this point. They already did pick up on it the AP article I read. http://news.yahoo.com/tests-only-mar...205604519.html Quote: An addiction expert said she wouldn't rule out marijuana causing the agitation. "It could have been the strain of marijuana that increases the dopamine in the brain, such as sativa," said Dr. Patricia Junquera, assistant professor at the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine. There are two strains of marijuana called sativa and indica. The sativa increases dopamine and gives you energy while decreasing pain threshold. Indica is a "sleepy high," she explained. "People don't really know what the amount of either is in each little packet of marijuana," she explained. "And we can't differentiate between the two in the blood, much less in a dead person." She also suggested that if Eugene had a mental disorder, "the marijuana could have increased even further the dopamine levels and aggravated the situation. So that can't be ruled out."

28th June 2012, 09:19 AM	#22
CORed Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,281	Originally Posted by Dessi The man obviously had a psychotic episode. Its really impossible to tell whether drugs were involved at all, or if they were, which drugs were being used at the time. Looks like the only drug left to point fingers at is cannabis, since that's the only thing identified in the man's' body. I expect the media to pick up on cannabis-induced psychosis, no matter that its totally impossible to diagnose at this point. To the best of my knowledge, very strong doses of cannabis cause dissociation, cause people to feel paranoid, have irrational thoughts of persecution or self-criticism, feelings of being unreal, feelings of extreme anxiety and panic (happens when a user believe's they're overdosing or having a heart attack). Someone at the point is going to be so disoriented that it'd be a miracle if they could move in any coordinated fashion, if at all, much less attack someone. Its hard to say what Mr Eugene was experiencing, but there's a good chance that the moral panic about drug-abuse turning people face-eating psychotic monsters is based on nothing. Extensive experimentation with high doses of cannabis during my college years has led me to conclude that the primary effect of such doses (on me anyway) is a nasty headache.
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28th June 2012, 09:50 AM	#23
Quad4_72 AI-EE-YAH! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Posts: 5,830	Originally Posted by Polaris Unload all your spare magazines, it's bad for the springs. Nah. I always keep 5 AK47 magazines loaded at all times in case there is some sort of advanced zombie apocalypse that transforms people into zombies at a much faster rate in which I wouldn't have time to load up all of the ammunition before they started busting the door down.
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28th June 2012, 10:17 AM	#24
Aardvark422 Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 482	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger I want to know if the autopsy found the victim's nose among the dead guy's stomach contents. Eeeeww. Apparently the attacker didn't ingest any of the other guy's face, just ripped it off. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/0...n-stomach.html

28th June 2012, 10:39 AM	#25
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,507	Originally Posted by PitPat They already did pick up on it the AP article I read. http://news.yahoo.com/tests-only-mar...205604519.html Without some actual scientific evidence I believe this is what is called, utter poppycock.
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28th June 2012, 10:41 AM	#26
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,507	Originally Posted by Aardvark422 Apparently the attacker didn't ingest any of the other guy's face, just ripped it off. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/0...n-stomach.html So it was an attack using biting as a weapon and no cannibalism. I wonder why the police didn't say they found the nose or pieces of skin at the scene. You'd think they would have collected stuff like that as evidence.
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28th June 2012, 10:42 AM	#27
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,055	So, the guy who ate someone's face because of bath salts turns out to have not eaten anyone's face and not to have been on bath salts. I suppose next we'll find out the guy is actually two ladies, the face was a butt, the victim was a dog, and it all happened in a movie. I have faith in our news reporters!
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28th June 2012, 12:33 PM	#28
Aardvark422 Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 482	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger So it was an attack using biting as a weapon and no cannibalism. I wonder why the police didn't say they found the nose or pieces of skin at the scene. You'd think they would have collected stuff like that as evidence. I don't think there's any indication that they didn't collect parts of the victim's face as evidence. And they might have collected the more identifiable parts, but until they opened up the attacker's stomach there was no way to know how much he swallowed, if any. Blech. What would the authorities have done if the attacker had been captured alive, pumped his stomach? If they suspected that he ate parts of the guy's face, they can't just let him digest it along with the Wheaties he had for breakfast, right?

28th June 2012, 01:59 PM	#29
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,167	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey So, the guy who ate someone's face because of bath salts turns out to have not eaten anyone's face and not to have been on bath salts. I suppose next we'll find out the guy is actually two ladies, the face was a butt, the victim was a dog, and it all happened in a movie. I have faith in our news reporters! Did you get an advance screening of Madea Witness Protection or something?
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28th June 2012, 03:16 PM	#30
Ausmerican Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,381	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey So, the guy who ate someone's face because of bath salts turns out to have not eaten anyone's face and not to have been on bath salts. I suppose next we'll find out the guy is actually two ladies, the face was a butt, the victim was a dog, and it all happened in a movie. I have faith in our news reporters! Hey we still call Sam the Shill Joe the Plumber dont we? This guy will be Bath Salts Cannibal forever.
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28th June 2012, 04:02 PM	#31
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,507	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey So, the guy who ate someone's face because of bath salts turns out to have not eaten anyone's face and not to have been on bath salts. I suppose next we'll find out the guy is actually two ladies, the face was a butt, the victim was a dog, and it all happened in a movie. I have faith in our news reporters! Actually, the face injuries were pretty horrific.
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28th June 2012, 04:03 PM	#32
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,878	Confirming that he actually did chew the victim's face off.
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28th June 2012, 04:05 PM	#33
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,507	Originally Posted by Aardvark422 ... What would the authorities have done if the attacker had been captured alive, pumped his stomach? If they suspected that he ate parts of the guy's face, they can't just let him digest it along with the Wheaties he had for breakfast, right? I don't think it would have mattered as far as an assault/attempted murder conviction. But the Hannibal Lecter/Jeffrey Dahmer image could have remained a problem for the guy.
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28th June 2012, 05:59 PM	#34
marplots Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,361	See what happens when you take your eye off the Satanic cults?
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29th June 2012, 01:53 AM	#35
Halfcentaur Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 5,935	I think this is a case of mental illness and superstition. If I'm not mistaken his GF claimed he may be possessed and they dabble in Santeria.
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