Australian Girl Guides ditch allegiance to God and the Queen

Orphia Nay · 5th July 2012, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Promising to serve God and the Queen and pledging obedience have been ruled old-fashioned and out of step with modern Australian life by junior and senior guides.

Australia's 28,000 guides will now vow to serve community and country and "live with courage and strength".

The change to the Guiding Promise and Guide Law begins in units across the country from today.

http://www.news.com.au/national/god-...-1226418419357

There's a poll asking if they've done the right thing, which seems to be being bombarded by bleevers.

You know what to do!

The Dark Lord · 5th July 2012, 09:16 PM

Is a girl guide like a girl scout or something?

MG1962 · 5th July 2012, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

Is a girl guide like a girl scout or something?

No they are better

devnull · 5th July 2012, 09:23 PM

Yeh, that crazy catholic girl on "Sunrise" (Channel 7) got all pissy with the rep this morning.

sigh.

Alan · 5th July 2012, 09:30 PM

It's like some people think no longer requiring young girls to make religious and political pledges to participate in something is the same as making them make pledges against a religion or political system.

PixyMisa · 5th July 2012, 09:43 PM

"I just like going on camps and getting some badges," Hayley said.

Girl has more sense than most grownups.

devnull · 5th July 2012, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by PixyMisa

"I just like going on camps and getting some badges," Hayley said.

Girl has more sense than most grownups.

I liked that quote too, and thought pretty much the same thing

Damien Evans · 5th July 2012, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by devnull

Yeh, that crazy catholic girl on "Sunrise" (Channel 7) got all pissy with the rep this morning.

sigh.

I never watch Scumrise, so which one is crazy catholic?

theprestige · 5th July 2012, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by PixyMisa

"I just like going on camps and getting some badges," Hayley said.

Girl has more sense than most grownups.

Originally Posted by devnull

I liked that quote too, and thought pretty much the same thing

Enh. "Going on camps" and "getting some badges" sure is fun, and who doesn't like fun?

But I'm not sure "liking fun" is really all that sensible or grown-up.

I guess if the point of GG is to have fun, then... mission accomplished. Kudos to you for having fun. But having sense or showing maturity? Not so much.

The Dark Lord · 5th July 2012, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Enh. "Going on camps" and "getting some badges" sure is fun, and who doesn't like fun?

But I'm not sure "liking fun" is really all that sensible or grown-up.

I guess if the point of GG is to have fun, then... mission accomplished. Kudos to you for having fun. But having sense or showing maturity? Not so much.

Grown-ups aren't supposed to like fun? I guess I should just give up on life now.

devnull · 5th July 2012, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

I never watch Scumrise, so which one is crazy catholic?

The one from Bunbury who reads the news.

Alan · 5th July 2012, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by devnull

The one from Bunbury who reads the news.

Natalie Barr.

theprestige · 5th July 2012, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

Grown-ups aren't supposed to like fun? I guess I should just give up on life now.

Of course grown-ups are supposed to like fun. Who isn't?

But liking fun isn't something that distinguishes oneself as a grown-up.

I mean, seriously? When was the last time someone told you, "you like fun? How grown-up of you!"

Orphia Nay · 5th July 2012, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Alan

It's like some people think no longer requiring young girls to make religious and political pledges to participate in something is the same as making them make pledges against a religion or political system.

Astute observation, Alan.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 5th July 2012, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Of course grown-ups are supposed to like fun. Who isn't?

But liking fun isn't something that distinguishes oneself as a grown-up.

I mean, seriously? When was the last time someone told you, "you like fun? How grown-up of you!"

It's probably worth pointing out that you're the person who brought up the word "fun". You've decided that that's the sole motivation of this girl without any evidence at all that it is.

Brian-M · 6th July 2012, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

Is a girl guide like a girl scout or something?

Scouts over here didn't start letting girls join until 1971, but in practice in most areas the Scouts are boys only (or were when I was that age). Normally boys join the Scouts and girls join the Guides. Pretty much the same thing with different uniforms.

Alan · 6th July 2012, 01:17 AM

My sister and I were joey scouts and then and cub scouts and there were lots of boys and girls, and the ones we went to and saw were mostly run by women.

And I looked at the cub scout promise, and they've got two to choose from:

Quote:

On my honour
I promise that I will do my best
To do my duty to my God, and
To Australia
To help other people, and
To live by the Cub Scout Law

or

On my honour
I promise that I will do my best
To do my duty to my God, and
To the Queen of Australia
To help other people, and
To live by the Cub Scout Law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cub_Scouts_%28Australia%29

One more Republican, but both religious.

Staffsknot · 6th July 2012, 01:17 AM

Storm in a tea cup. Much has changed since the days of Baden Powell and although I don't think it was really necessary to change the pledge, I can't imagine that there is anything wrong with them doing so.

zooterkin · 6th July 2012, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

Is a girl guide like a girl scout or something?

The other way around. Girl Scouts are the American version of Girl Guides, which started a couple of years earlier. It's a little more confused now, as Scout organisations in many countries now allow girls as well as boys to join.

5th July 2012, 09:12 PM	#1
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,409	Australian Girl Guides ditch allegiance to God and the Queen Quote: Promising to serve God and the Queen and pledging obedience have been ruled old-fashioned and out of step with modern Australian life by junior and senior guides. Australia's 28,000 guides will now vow to serve community and country and "live with courage and strength". The change to the Guiding Promise and Guide Law begins in units across the country from today. http://www.news.com.au/national/god-...-1226418419357 There's a poll asking if they've done the right thing, which seems to be being bombarded by bleevers. You know what to do!
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5th July 2012, 09:16 PM	#2
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5th July 2012, 09:23 PM	#4
devnull Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,533	Yeh, that crazy catholic girl on "Sunrise" (Channel 7) got all pissy with the rep this morning. sigh.
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PixyMisa Persnickety Insect Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sunny Munuvia Posts: 14,914	"I just like going on camps and getting some badges," Hayley said. Girl has more sense than most grownups.
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5th July 2012, 09:45 PM	#7
devnull Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,533	Originally Posted by PixyMisa "I just like going on camps and getting some badges," Hayley said. Girl has more sense than most grownups. I liked that quote too, and thought pretty much the same thing
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5th July 2012, 09:19 PM	#3
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by The Dark Lord Is a girl guide like a girl scout or something? No they are better

5th July 2012, 09:30 PM	#5
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,652	It's like some people think no longer requiring young girls to make religious and political pledges to participate in something is the same as making them make pledges against a religion or political system.

5th July 2012, 10:04 PM	#8
Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,305	Originally Posted by devnull Yeh, that crazy catholic girl on "Sunrise" (Channel 7) got all pissy with the rep this morning. sigh. I never watch Scumrise, so which one is crazy catholic?
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5th July 2012, 10:05 PM	#9
theprestige Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,644	Originally Posted by PixyMisa "I just like going on camps and getting some badges," Hayley said. Girl has more sense than most grownups. Originally Posted by devnull I liked that quote too, and thought pretty much the same thing Enh. "Going on camps" and "getting some badges" sure is fun, and who doesn't like fun? But I'm not sure "liking fun" is really all that sensible or grown-up. I guess if the point of GG is to have fun, then... mission accomplished. Kudos to you for having fun. But having sense or showing maturity? Not so much.
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5th July 2012, 10:33 PM	#10
The Dark Lord Suspended Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,860	Originally Posted by theprestige Enh. "Going on camps" and "getting some badges" sure is fun, and who doesn't like fun? But I'm not sure "liking fun" is really all that sensible or grown-up. I guess if the point of GG is to have fun, then... mission accomplished. Kudos to you for having fun. But having sense or showing maturity? Not so much. Grown-ups aren't supposed to like fun? I guess I should just give up on life now.
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5th July 2012, 10:49 PM	#11
devnull Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,533	Originally Posted by Damien Evans I never watch Scumrise, so which one is crazy catholic? The one from Bunbury who reads the news.
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5th July 2012, 10:56 PM	#12
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,652	Originally Posted by devnull The one from Bunbury who reads the news. Natalie Barr.

5th July 2012, 11:18 PM	#13
theprestige Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,644	Originally Posted by The Dark Lord Grown-ups aren't supposed to like fun? I guess I should just give up on life now. Of course grown-ups are supposed to like fun. Who isn't? But liking fun isn't something that distinguishes oneself as a grown-up. I mean, seriously? When was the last time someone told you, "you like fun? How grown-up of you!"
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5th July 2012, 11:35 PM	#14
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,409	Originally Posted by Alan It's like some people think no longer requiring young girls to make religious and political pledges to participate in something is the same as making them make pledges against a religion or political system. Astute observation, Alan.
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5th July 2012, 11:50 PM	#15
Squeegee Beckenheim Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 4,259	Originally Posted by theprestige Of course grown-ups are supposed to like fun. Who isn't? But liking fun isn't something that distinguishes oneself as a grown-up. I mean, seriously? When was the last time someone told you, "you like fun? How grown-up of you!" It's probably worth pointing out that you're the person who brought up the word "fun". You've decided that that's the sole motivation of this girl without any evidence at all that it is.
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6th July 2012, 12:54 AM	#16
Brian-M Daydreamer Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Downunder Posts: 4,276	Originally Posted by The Dark Lord Is a girl guide like a girl scout or something? Scouts over here didn't start letting girls join until 1971, but in practice in most areas the Scouts are boys only (or were when I was that age). Normally boys join the Scouts and girls join the Guides. Pretty much the same thing with different uniforms.
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6th July 2012, 01:17 AM	#17
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,652	My sister and I were joey scouts and then and cub scouts and there were lots of boys and girls, and the ones we went to and saw were mostly run by women. And I looked at the cub scout promise, and they've got two to choose from: Quote: On my honour I promise that I will do my best To do my duty to my God, and To Australia To help other people, and To live by the Cub Scout Law or On my honour I promise that I will do my best To do my duty to my God, and To the Queen of Australia To help other people, and To live by the Cub Scout Law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cub_Scouts_%28Australia%29 One more Republican, but both religious.
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6th July 2012, 01:17 AM	#18
Staffsknot Student Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Stoke-On-Trent, England Posts: 44	Storm in a tea cup. Much has changed since the days of Baden Powell and although I don't think it was really necessary to change the pledge, I can't imagine that there is anything wrong with them doing so.

6th July 2012, 01:21 AM	#19
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